April 16, 2008

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Like Oriana Fallaci with puppies and a push-up bra. You go girl!

In the new paper,

Emanuel and his co-authors project activity nearly two centuries hence, finding an overall drop in the number of hurricanes around the world, while the intensity of storms in some regions does rise. For example, with Atlantic hurricanes, two of the seven model simulations Emanuel ran suggested that the overall intensity of storms would decline. Five models suggested a modest increase.

Willful blindness - "Do I have the sides right? They say “Allahu Akbar!” we say “Imagine the liability!”"

Forced to pay $50K for denying service to Jewish man...

Yours in the comments.

Posted by Kate at April 16, 2008 1:19 AM

Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome to SDA Late Nite Radio. (Don't read this, Irwin, it's from Wikipedia:) The The is an English musical and multimedia group that have been active in various forms since 1978. Their 1983 album Soul Mining was voted the third best album of the year by British music magazine Melody Maker.

Soul Mining featured the song Uncertain Smile, a favourite of ours for that genre / era here in the studio. Here's a live version from around that time:

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 16, 2008 2:11 AM

Not all politicians are frauds, and not all frauds are politicians. And not all people who look for change and hope are frauds. Yet it remains the case that some frauds keep on going on and on about change and hope. You know why? Because they keep changing their story every day, and they hope no one will notice.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 16, 2008 4:51 AM

Is Islamophobia another entitlement reserved for Canada's Left?

On his blog yesterday, Warren Kinsella said:

"Imam Flaherty’s jihad against Ontario's majority government didn't seem entirely unscripted, admittedly."

In reply, I -- an "Islamolucide", along with Barbara Kay -- said:

"Your Imam-on-a-jihad metaphor sounds like the kind of hurtful stereotype that attracts the attention of Canada's various human rights commissions. The way you've used the metaphor implies that Imams and jihad are inextricably linked. Forgive me, but wouldn't that tend to breed contempt for a certain religious group -- not to mention offending them?"

Posted by: TSowell Fan at April 16, 2008 7:08 AM

for once bridgitte is right,,,,,,,,using computer models for predicting weather is like going to vegas and putting everything on one number on the roulette wheel,,,,,,,,,only the truely stupid ignore the evil that is islam,,,,,,,,,we can't refuse service to homosexuals, should people be allowed to refuse service to jews?

Posted by: old white guy at April 16, 2008 7:13 AM

TSowell Fan. No that metaphor would no imply that jihad and Imams are linked for two reasons.
1)Liberals can say or do no wrong as they are bending over back wards to appease said group.
2) Nobody reads them anyway. Liberal blogs are like a group of people whispering in a small circle. If you don't hear it you can't be offended by them.

Posted by: Largs at April 16, 2008 7:18 AM

The denial of service case is an interesting one. Can a photofinisher refuse to copy prints of pictures he or she might regard as pornographic while the customer insists they are merely a record of a "stable, loving relationship"?

Posted by: Roseberry at April 16, 2008 8:17 AM

Flaherty should sue.

Posted by: Shawn at April 16, 2008 9:20 AM

Kinsella writes "CONSERVATIVES: RCMP ENGAGE IN "PUBLICITY STUNTS". He then links to stories where one would expect to find that someone in the CPC accused the RCMP of a publicity stunt. There is no such accusation made anywhere. The CPC accuses the Commissioner of Elections Canada of engaging in a publicity stunt - not the RCMP. This is clearly dishonest of Warren. Maybe the CPC can sue WK for slander.

What is clear here is that the RCMP were asked to execute a search warrant obtained by Elections Canada from a judge - not from the RCMP itself. For WK to write that the CPC said the RCMP engaged in a publicity stunt is, in my opinion, a lie. They never said it. Must be a member of the Lieberal Party of Canada.

Posted by: a different Bob at April 16, 2008 9:33 AM

In the case of "Cutler v. Los Gatos Camera" the judge didn't go far enough. He should have sent the owner of Los Gatos back to wherever he came from. Finally though, a judge with some justice in him.

Posted by: a different Bob at April 16, 2008 9:45 AM

I am Jewish, but the court decision to penalize the photo finishing company because the owners would not print his picture is wrong.
Discrimination should not be a crime.

Posted by: EarlW at April 16, 2008 9:48 AM

The "S" words: socialism = sustainability.
Same old same old legal plunder.
Follow the "S" words to socialism's = sustainability's hell on earth.

"Sustainability’s psychological roots lay in the counterintuitiveness of market economics and the urge to exploit that ignorance in pursuit of political power. There are undoubtedly “externalities” in industrial activity. That is why we have environmental laws, which have traditionally erred on the side of excessive cost. However, the new form of socialism claims that markets—that is, people—are so feckless of environmental costs that not merely laws are needed but a comprehensive reordering of prices by bureaucratic fiat, so that consumer/sheep might be led towards the heaven on earth that the old “S” word failed to deliver."

Cracks in the core of sustainability
Financial Post Peter Foster

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 9:53 AM

EarlW - with all due respect, the shop owner could have simply refused to do the job with no explanation given. When he stated why he did not want to do the job he betrayed deep hatred. While I have no problem with him thinking it - it is quite another thing to actually say it. He could have pulled an "Ezra" and said something like "I refuse to do this job because it is my bloody right to do so" and no one could haul his butt before a HRC. But he had to spew his poison. I'm glad he has to cough-up big time.

Posted by: a different Bob at April 16, 2008 9:59 AM

China Supporter Poses As Tibetan, Attacks Handicapped Girl

Interesting international commentary already on that thread as it just went up...

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at April 16, 2008 10:04 AM

German schoolboy, 13, corrects NASA's asteroid figures: paper

"Nico Marquardt used telescopic findings from the Institute of Astrophysics in Potsdam (AIP) to calculate that there was a 1 in 450 chance that the Apophis asteroid will collide with Earth, the Potsdamer Neuerster Nachrichten reported."

"NASA had previously estimated the chances at only 1 in 45,000 but told its sister organisation, the European Space Agency (ESA), that the young whizzkid had got it right." (afp)

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 10:06 AM

Re: the Cutler case. This is a grey area for me...Los Gatos is offering a service, but not one I would deem to be a professional one...meaning it is not HIS special abilities that he is hawking but those of his MACHINES. In this case, I would think that Los Gatos should NOT discriminate UNLESS he has publicly displayed his intentions to discriminate on whatever grounds he wants to specify.

If I walk into a store that displays a sign that says the owner may refuse to provide service for "x" reasons, then I shouldn't be surprised or upset when the owner refuses me service. If the shop does NOT display such a disclaimer, then I would pronounce guilt (as I play Solomon).

Cavaet emptor.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 16, 2008 10:08 AM

AFAIC, if the shop owner is going to be treated like a criminal, he should have the same rights as a criminal. The plintiff should have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his ancestors weren't Zionist terrorists.

Posted by: KS at April 16, 2008 10:10 AM

This photofinishing case is a perfect example of what ET was talking about the other day.

You have a store, you can't refuse to print the Jewish guy's "Zionist" pictures, doesn't matter if you are the owner or an employee. If you open a store, part of the agreement you make with regulators and society at large is you serve everybody.

Your free choice in this case is you are free to not have a store. Hate Jews all you want, rant and rail and spew vindictive insanity off your soapbox, but you better print them pictures.

Makes me wonder though, is this store owner a black helicopter Right wing Jew hater or a Pro-Palestine Left wing Jew hater? Its the nuances of these things that are important, eh?

Posted by: The Phantom at April 16, 2008 10:14 AM

"Hillier says Relations with the Prime Minister Office were Great"

So once again the Media(ctv) tried to Imply that Relations between the PM & Hillier were strained. Hillier has stated this morning that their were everything was great. Last Nite ctv made a ref: that the next man in charge will be more in tune with the PM In other words the PM's Puppet, Unfortantly for ctv another fabrication that won't work, But have put that thought in the publics perceptions of the PM.

Posted by: bryanr at April 16, 2008 10:28 AM

Lowell Green of CFRA Radio has started todays program with the shocking news that blogger Doug Aldridge of, and known to the call-in program as Doug of Lombardy, was killed in an automobile accident yesterday. Doug was to have interviewed Lowell this coming week-end.

It appears that the blogsite has been cleared of all info save for the Home page.

Having heard many of Aldridges phone calls and the right approach he took to all subjects, this is indeed a loss to the blogging and commenting community.

Condolences to his family and friends.

Posted by: MadMacs of Bytown at April 16, 2008 10:28 AM

Liberal leader Boob Rae, ComradeGeneralMarshal Mao Stlong's nephew, say, No sordiels flom Canada in Ilaq.

"Veteran of Iraq war heads list to succeed Hillier"

"Lt.-Gen. Walt Natynczyk, vice-chief of defence staff, is one of a handful of candidates on the shortlist to take over the job as Canada's military chief.

Natynczyk has the experience; he is one of the few Canadian soldiers to have served in Iraq." (canwest)

"Chris Tindal » Rae Seriously Uninformed Regarding Iraq
... Canadian military officers serving in Iraq as part of the American command. Bob Rae interrupted me to object adamantly, almost angrily. “No there aren’t ..."

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 10:29 AM

"Hillier says Relations with the Prime Minister Office were Great"

So once again the Media(ctv) tried to Imply that Relations between the PM & Hillier were strained. Hillier has stated this morning that their were everything was great. Last Nite ctv made a ref: that the next man in charge will be more in tune with the PM In other words the PM's Puppet, Unfortantly for ctv another fabrication that won't work, But have put that thought in the publics perceptions of the PM.

Posted by: bryanr at April 16, 2008 10:31 AM

The Phantom - The situation is a little different from the photographer. The printer is being paid to perform the simple service of copying.

A photographer, on the other hand, is trying to capture the essence of a thing or event using lighting, exposure, composition, etc. It's an artistic endeavor, much less of a simple service for hire.

Posted by: KS at April 16, 2008 10:33 AM

The photograph case is interesting. A while back there were a slew of photo labs who either a) refused to print, or b) called the police when firearms owners tried to get photos of their collections developed.

Last I heard guns were still legal.
Of course the advice given was to buy a digital camera and save yourself the hassle of having to be raided.

No one mentioned suing.

Posted by: chris at April 16, 2008 10:39 AM

Paul Heiney, Sheep shearing and woolly minds

Animal “lovers” have complained, and the organisers of the Kent County Show have caved in. There will be no more public sheep shearing competitions at this annual event “in case the sheep are cut”. The bleating complainants will think this progress. Farmers say it is one more example of the lack of understanding between town and country. They are both wrong. What we have here is a fundamental misunderstanding of sheep...

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 16, 2008 10:45 AM

Yes, we shall chide the miscreant, Allah love the man.

(Via Connecting... the Dots) Sebastian Rotella, Penalty for crossing an Al Qaeda boss? A nasty memo

Mohammed Atef was furious.

The Al Qaeda leader had learned that a subordinate had broken the rules repeatedly. So he did his duty as the feared military chief of a global terror network: He fired off a nasty memo.

In two pages mixing flowery religious terms with itemized complaints, the Egyptian boss accused the militant of misappropriating cash, a car, sick leave, research papers and an air conditioner during "an austerity situation" for the network. He demanded a detailed letter of explanation...

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 16, 2008 10:48 AM

Re: LosGatos Camera...

I would be a hypocrite for supporting Scott Brockie's right to refuse whatever business he wants and then not supporting LosGatos as well. That being said, LosGatos would NEVER see a dime of my money if I lived in the area and I say this as someone who uses high end printing services. I suspect a lot of other photographers would feel the same way once word got around. Ideally, his business would have gone belly up on its own without state intervention.


"If you open a store, part of the agreement you make with regulators and society at large is you serve everybody."

As I stated in a previous thread, I was unable to serve a Korean customer in the past because I couldn't read Korean, which is mostly what his computer displayed. The only languages I can work in are English and French. I worry about a similar situation arising in the future and an HRC complaint being filed as a result.

Do you REALLY think an HRC will take my inability to function in a foreign language into account should something like this come before a tribunal?

Posted by: Sean at April 16, 2008 10:51 AM

Jonathan Schanzer, Selling Terror

HEZBOLLAH, THE RADICAL Shiite terrorist organization in Lebanon, is best known for attacking Israelis. But the organization also attempts to gain the support of Lebanese citizens with a sophisticated network of social services, political outreach, and financial aid. And recently, the militia has turned to advertising campaigns to bolster its image.

Hezbollah owns or controls at least two known advertising companies: Ressalat and Media-Publi Management. The U.S. Department of the Treasury should designate both as Specially Designated Global Terrorist entities (SDGTs) immediately as part of its ongoing campaign to cut off Hezbollah from the global financial system...

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 16, 2008 10:59 AM

"He should have sent the owner of Los Gatos back to wherever he came from."

Ummm, I think he came from the states.

Horny Toad

Posted by: Horny Toad at April 16, 2008 11:04 AM

Eeyore, you can't have a sign that says "No Irish" on your store. That ship has sailed long since, its practically the only good thing to come out of the '60s besides the music.

By which I mean the Beach Boys.

Still, you have a major point. This puts an interesting light on the Scott Brockie case though, doesn't it? To my mind the difference is Mr. Brockie did not flatly refuse service to the gay customer.

It is my understanding that he provided service as normal for several pieces of work regarding gay related event flyers, and asked the client to please take -one- piece to a different printer. Indeed he went so far as to offer to have this done for the customer. Note that this was a repeat customer not a first time walk in, and that the work in question was quite (pardon the pun) graphic in nature.

This is where things get interesting. Yes the printer agrees to serve all customers. But, customers also have an agreement. They agree not to make the store guy demean or dishonor himself with unreasonable demands.

This used to be called "community standards", and to my mind this is the half of the equation that has broken down. Customers are no longer assumed to have any responsibilities in the relationship. So the gay customer can get up on his high horse and drag Mr. Brockie through the Human Rights meat grinder. Cha-ching! Payday, baby.

EXCEPT NOT ALWAYS. This gets to the poison tap root of Liberal victimology. If I take the Western Standard down to Ahmed the fundamentalist Muslim printer and demand he run off 10,000 bumper stickers of the Mohamed cartoons, is the Human Rights Tribunal or any court in Ontario going to hear that complaint? No way. But they will for sure hear the Scott Brockie case. Some are more equal than others.

But that's not the worst part. For me the worst part is, they'd be just as wrong to hear my bullsh1t case against the Muslim guy as they were to hear the Brockie case. The Muslim guy is 100% right to ask me "What, am I the ONLY printer in town? You can't get a non-Muslim to print this stuff?"

Because going to a devout Muslim with that cartoon, deliberately planning a human rights complaint when he kicks me out of the shop, is really nothing other than assault. If I firebombed the guy's store, chucked a frackin' Molotov cocktail right through the plate glass window, it would cost him -less- than the human rights suit, even if he won. Less money, less suffering, less misery.

Please note the profound difference between the customer assaulting the store owner with an obnoxious, unreasonable demand, and the store owner assaulting the customer with an obnoxious, unreasonable refusal of service. Assault is not something to be encouraged in a civilized society.

Please note also all you rules lawyers, this is a moral argument, not a legal one. Law uninformed by morality is evil.

Posted by: The Phantom at April 16, 2008 11:06 AM

How would this had turned out, if it was a Muslim photoshop owner that had refused to print the pictures for this gentleman.

Posted by: anon at April 16, 2008 11:11 AM

Best advice to any shop owner who wants to provide selective service.
Size up the potential customer.
Make your services contingent on a schedule.
Tell the customer you are very "busy".
Can they wait a couple months?

I get tired waiting 15+ minutes for a haircut. See ya L8tr.......

Posted by: puddin and pie at April 16, 2008 11:25 AM

KS and Sean, your arguments have merit, see my post 11:06am.

Sean, no I don't think an HRC is going to take your limitations into account. If they take the case, you're guilty. That's what a 100% success rate means. Clearly, if you can't read Korean you're a racist.

KS, I agree. The photographer can decline a job for any reason or for no reason, because she is a contractor. Conversely, a guy with a camera shop that offers on-the-spot portraits can't refuse to take pictures of gay couples. I would say he could refuse to take pictures of them making out, but that's one of those "community standards" things again. If he had pictures on display of straight couples making out he'd have less of an argument. Maybe he should shut up and click.

Trial by combat is looking better and better, eh? ~:D

Posted by: The Phantom at April 16, 2008 11:29 AM

RE: Los Gatos Camera

I was totally against the HRC ruling against the printer for refusing to print gay posters and I'm totally against this judgement as well.

In private business, you should have the right to pick who you work for, what jobs you take and what business to refuse.

The other side is that the targets get to picket in their stores and discourage others from giving them business.

I support both the rights of Gays and Jews but being a targeted minority gives you no right to crush the rights of others while demanding rights of your own. It's hypocritical.

In either case, the bad publicity would cripple their stores and that is the proper response in a democracy.

If they were refusing employment or housing to some targeted group, that would be different.

Posted by: Warwick at April 16, 2008 11:52 AM

Socialism's Albatross: Slavery; Death.
National Socialism's "Valentin" in Germany & Soviet Socialist-Communism's Kolyma, aka "Siberian Auschwitz".

"What to Do with Hitler's Submarine Bunker?"

"The structure is left over from one of the most megalomaniacal projects of Adolf Hitler's Nazi dictatorship: the submarine bunker named "Valentin." Some 12,000 prisoners of war, concentration camp inmates and forced laborers constructed the bomb-proof submarine factory from 1943 to 1945. An estimated 4,000 of the slave workers didn't survive to see the project's completion." (spiegel)

Picture Gallery
Kolyma - "Siberian Auschwitz". KOLYMA: The Land of Gold and Death (link); Road from Magadan to Kolyma - 'one way trip' (16K) · Gravesite of dead prisoner ...

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 12:02 PM

Presumably, Phantom, Los Gatos would have posted a sign saying "The Owner reserves the right to refuse service for items deemed, in the Owner's sole opinion, to be pornographic or associated with illegal activities or for activities which honour or support terrorism in any form" or whatever other principles he holds.

If that disclaimer is posted in the store, the "community standard" has been communicated to the potential client. The potential client, assuming he is a "reasonable man", should be able to discern if his request for service is in contravention of posted store policy.

Besides, as I said on another thread, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the signs that say "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service".

Having said that, however, I am NOT terribly concerned with the Los Gatos outcome since I strongly suspect that he is simply anti-semitic.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 16, 2008 12:04 PM

"Do you REALLY think an HRC will take my inability to function in a foreign language into account should something like this come before a tribunal?"

Absolutely sean,.. as long as you're not , you know, a white male.

Oh wait, sorry, a quick history of cases shows us that you must be a white male if you're before the HRC.
So please allow me to slightly re-phrase my original answer:

Posted by: richfisher at April 16, 2008 12:09 PM


"I am NOT terribly concerned with the Los Gatos outcome since I strongly suspect that he is simply anti-semitic."

Undoubtedly that is true. The guy sounds like a left-wing, Kos-kid, anti-semitic, Pali-loving, tin-hat conspiracy mongering creep to me.

If you don't support the rights of people you can't stand, you shouldn't expect any rights of your own. This is the entire point that people like Warmin, McClellend and Kinsella don't seem to be able to comprehend.

Posted by: Warwick at April 16, 2008 12:11 PM

Canada's tributes to its fallen heroes are not going unnoticed in Britain:

Posted by: Liz at April 16, 2008 12:19 PM

Will the OPP be helping them shut down the 401 again this year? It was so touching to see the working so well together last year

OTTAWA -- The Mohawk protester who helped shut down a stretch of Ontario's busiest highway last June says Canadians can expect more disruption on May 29.

That's the date chiefs across the country have circled for another day of peaceful demonstration to push for urgent action on native poverty. Shawn Brant, who led highway and railroad blockades near Kingston, Ont., last June, says placard-waving won't cut it.

Posted by: OttRob at April 16, 2008 12:55 PM

The photo shop issue balances on a knife edge. Was he refusing to print the photos because the customer was Jewish? No, he'd served him before by printing photos of the Swedish ancestors on the other side of the family. Was he refusing to print the photos because the people depicted were Jewish? That's tricky. The statute as described doesn't blanketly prohibit refusal of service; it prohibits refusal of service on certain grounds particularly the customer's religion or ancestry. The store owner, it appears, was not refusing service on the grounds of the customer's ancestry, it was on the grounds of what he perceived to be the content of the photographs. Presumably if the customer had brought photographs of his son's Bar Mitzvah, the owner would have copied them. But the owner seems to have believed (erroneously I would contend) that they were photos of Zionists. So, under California law can the owner refuse service on the grounds that the content of the photos are, to him, objectionable? Must he claim violation of a personal religious standard? Must he claim violation of a community standard? If yes, he can refuse; if no, then he'd be compelled to print the photos. Where does the onus lie? Presumably, a store owner would be required to serve all comers barring valid objection or else anti-discrimination legislation could easily be rendered meaningless. If, in court, the owner were to blurt out that "all Jews are Zionists" then there'd be a civil rights violation. But if the owner made a distinction between Jews and Zionist Jews then there wouldn't. The owner may have violated other statutory law; but not anti-discrimination legislation. From the very limited information in the article, as muddle-headed as his thinking may be to me, and with the caveats expressed above, I'd have to side with the store owner.

Posted by: DrD at April 16, 2008 12:56 PM

Jonathan Schanzer, Selling Terror... Charles M..

Hezbollah shares Common Ground with Quebec Liberals.

Posted by: OMMAG at April 16, 2008 1:31 PM

McGuinty - Who needs food? Just give the enviro-whackos what they want...


Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says he will not reconsider his government's program of helping ethanol producers despite concern that is driving up food prices.

He said today that the three-year-old program to support the production of ethanol – a corn-derived alcohol used as a gasoline additive – is not the dominant factor in driving up the price of corn and other commodities.

Posted by: OttRob at April 16, 2008 1:32 PM

From cbc's Nahlah Ayed commentary on the deadly fallout of 'celebratory gunfire' in Mid.East comes this gem...
"The improbable parallel would be watching bullets fly in the riding of Okanagan-Coquihalla whenever MP Stockwell Day appeared on tv"
link to story at DMB

Posted by: Sammy at April 16, 2008 1:32 PM

EarlW / a different bob.

I am not a Jew only a great admirer of the Jewish people. I agree, however, with EarlW, who is a Jew, and who evidently understands the principle here.

Namely: a private business should be able to refuse service to anyone on any grounds whatsoever. Moreoever, he should be wholly free to determine the content of a business transaction, i.e., free to not print photos of any kind whatsoever. I have no issue with private censorship, only state censorship.

It seems that the "right of association" has been irretreivably lost, which is a tragedy considering how bound up it is with private property rights.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at April 16, 2008 1:32 PM

The media keeps telling us that the Arctic is melting but the facts, as obtained from

are quite a bit different. In the last five days the sea ice in the Arctic has expanded by about 100,000 sq. Kilometers.

In the Antarctic something even more intersting is happening. Each year for the last five the level of sea ice has been expanding leaving last year as the highest level ever recorded. This has never happened in all our recorded history of sea ice coverage.This beats the last record of 2 consecutive increases. The interesting part of the data is that the current level of Antarctic sea ice is about 33% above the norm for today.

If we look again at the Arctic we can see that the anomaly for this year is droppping rapidly. This indicates that the sea ice is melting slower than it did for the period from 1979..2000.( Which includes a cold period when there was more Arctic sea ice.) The current anomally is about 400,000 sq. Kilometers. It started at about 3 million below the mean.)( Remember the media's " the lowest level ever recorded')?
Another interesting aspect arrived at by searching the cryosphere site is that the Bering sea is about 60% ahead of the mean. Another piece of info of interest is what is happening in the Barents sea. While still below the mean. The anomaly has been cut in half and the area is still increasing.
I have been monitoring this site since last year and while I question some of it's revelations on the whole it seems to stack up pretty good.
We are currently one million square kilometers of sea ice ahead of the mean for the globe and world wide we should be at 19 million sq.Kilometers by the weekend.

Posted by: truthsayer at April 16, 2008 1:33 PM

Just what is a Zionist terrorist, and what does one look like?
The article could have given more information, but it sounds as though the store owner refused to print the photos because the people in them lloked Jewish - which makes him an anti-Semite.
He doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the chandelier - he didn't know corporations have to be represented by attorneys in court? He's facing a large lawsuit and doesn't even bother to consult a lawyer, just to get some basic information?

Posted by: Barbara at April 16, 2008 1:38 PM

Warwick, although I am not terribly concerned about Los Gatos, I AM weakly supporting his right to refuse to provide service...but only insofar as he is "principled" about his principles.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 16, 2008 1:56 PM

Actually, discrimination should be against the law, in cases of race, creed, colour, among others.
For any society that values fairness, civil rights and equality for all its members, anti-discrimination regulations are reasonable and necessary limitations on free speech, free association, etc. Discrimination in a case like los gatos is not "speech" or "conscience". It is behaviour. And our society has the right to proscribe peoples' behaviours that threaten people's safety and the civil order.

One right we should all enjoy is "the right to be treated like anybody else".

A superor court of California judge, after a trial (in a real court!), found that the store operator was "denying services on account of that person's religion or ancestry.” Against the law in that jurisdiction.

No one among social conservatives and Christians would advocate for allowing discrimination or the denial of rights to people based on race, creed, skin colour, etc. The fact is that there are bigotted and prejudiced people in this world who will, if permitted, deny people services, just because they don't like where they come from. Would anyone like to be told that you couldn't rent an apartment, because of your skin color? Or that you couldn't drink from a specific water fountain in a store, or eat in a specific restaurant? Or if your boss fired you because you had reached your 45th birthday? And what would happen if there were a couple of dozen "los gatos" in your city, who, once they find you are Jewish, or Catholic, or Irish, etc. tell you that "your money is no good here"?

It is true that government regulations aimed at supporting a "civil" civil society will never change the wickedness of prejudice and hatred in people's hearts and minds. But they can punish behaviour that is detrimental and injurious to society and people in it, and send a message to every religious, racial, or ethnic group that they are as welcome as anyone else to be join into our society and make the most of it for themselves and their families.

Posted by: Rudy at April 16, 2008 2:09 PM

It's Jimmah Carter's fault. Say, Amen Jimmah. Amen Jimmah.

"Gaza on verge of eruption
Hamas faces unprecedented crisis, as Israel, Egypt prepare for flare-up

Egypt asked Israel to put its forces along the Gaza Strip border on alert, while at the same time the Egyptian army is on special deployment on the Philadelphi Route and south of it. Officials in Israel and Egypt estimate that Gaza is on the brink of eruption that may be violently manifested on the Strip’s border with the two countries.
Israeli security officials estimate that Hamas’ Gaza regime has reached a dead-end and is facing an unprecedented crisis not seen since it took over the Strip. Hamas has no real answers to the distress of the Palestinian public and the last resort is a flare-up on the borders.
At Egypt’s request, and after power outages started in the Strip Tuesday, Israel decided to renew the supply of fuel to Gaza power stations as of Wednesday. Israel also agreed to turn a blind eye to the concentrations of Egyptian forces and weapons deployed near the Philadelphi Route these days even though they are forbidden by the peace treaty.
In light of the crisis in Gaza, Egypt put the special forces it brought into Sinai on alert and reiterated the threat to open fire at Palestinians who attempt to breach the wall it built along the Philadelphi Route."

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 2:12 PM

Eeyore: "I AM weakly supporting his right to refuse to provide service...but only insofar as he is "principled" about his principles..."

There is no such thing as being "principled about one's principles" when the principles themselves are un-principled. No one can enjoy the benefit of immoral "principles". A person who stands on "principle" in a matter of immoral, or unethical, or injurious behaviour is not principled - he is a scoundrel.

Posted by: Rudy at April 16, 2008 2:15 PM

Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss time once again (already? so soon again?)

Conservatives, April 2008:

"The Conservative Party sees this as a PR stunt and a tactic of intimidation."

Conservatives, January 2006:

"From our standpoint as parliamentarians, people who want to have responsible and ethical government, that is not adequate...I think the mere existence of a police investigation indicates we should have a wider public inquiry into the practices that are going on here..."

And who actually made those comments in 2006? The Right Honourable Stephen Brian Jean Harper, that's who.

Posted by: Ted at April 16, 2008 2:29 PM

Italy: A truly historic election.

"in the latest election, Italy’s left Socialist Party has vanished from parliament for the first time since 1892, along with the Communists, whose hammer and sickle has been a parliamentary feature since 1921."
"Why Berlusconi beat the ‘Italian Obama’" (spiked

"What News from the Peasant?
Monday, May. 05, 1958

In the old days, Italy's Palmiro Togliatti amazed everyone by his cocksure confidence about Moscow's ways. For more than three decades the unquestioned leader of Italian Communism, he built the party into the largest outside the Iron Curtain, formed a leftist front that captured the votes of one of every three Italians. He had spent long years in Moscow, was a big wheel in Stalin's Comintern, won such confidence from the Kremlin that he was allowed to pursue his own "Italian line" of Communism. And he knew them all personally—Stalin, Beria, Molotov, Malenkov, Bulganin, Zhukov. All except one*." (Time)
[*The one was the snuffer of lberia: Nikky.]

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 2:34 PM

Re: Los Gatos Camera

A businessman who turns away custom because of his bigotry is limiting his prospects of success -- no more and no less. He is no different than someone whose inefficiency prevents him from accepting all orders. It is best that the market resolve the fate of his business.

What happened before "human rights" legislation? Some people were denied services or accommodations. Other people of principle refused to support the enterprises run by bigots. For example, personages such as Ronald Reagan refused to join country clubs that excluded Jewish members decades before discrimination was proscribed by law, and frankly decades before there were public relations benefits attached to taking a stand.

This may be the first, last and only time I'll offer a libertarian opinion.

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 16, 2008 2:46 PM

The sort of interfaith dialogue advocated in this vodcast (6:41) may work with moderate Muslims, however we define that term. I can't see hardcore headchoppers having the slightest interest in the exercise.

A Christian Response to Fitna

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 16, 2008 3:12 PM

One question for Kate: are the puppies in the push-up bra? If so, wouldn't that make them sweater-puppies?

*juvenile snickering*

Thanks for joining me on this trip back to Grade 9.

Posted by: Damian at April 16, 2008 3:23 PM

Puddin and pie: "Best advice to any shop owner who wants to provide selective service..."

"Selective service"? Well, despite the wink and the nudge, "selective service" is just code for illegal discrimination. And desipte the fancy footwork, a person who practises it is still a bigot.

And no one has a right to behave like a bigot.

Before the civil rights act in America, racists had all sorts of clever tricks for circumventing the rights of people to enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to others. "Sure you have right to vote, can't find your paper work right now..." "Sure you have a right to an that really nice school over on the other side of town with the rest of your kind." "What's that? You want a hair cut? Oh look at the time, I promised the wife I would close early". "I know the apartment is advertized in the paper, but really, someone was just here ahead of you and rented it. Yeah, about 5 minutes ago."

People who think that is O.K. don't know the first thing about the principles this great nation was founded on.

Sean: As for Scott Brockie, I don't think he or anyone else has a right to "refuse services to anyone he wants". But a serious argument can be made that his right to freedom of religion and conscience should be given equal weight and consideration in determining who's rights should prevail. In his case, I don't think that happened, and that is a problem with HRC's, as opposed to a court of law.

Eeyore: "Los Gatos would have posted a sign saying "The Owner reserves the right to refuse service for items deemed, in the Owner's sole opinion, to be pornographic or associated with illegal activities or for activities which honour or support terrorism in any form"

That is fair, because discrimination against people's taste for pornography, or for illegal activites is not against the law in California apparently. Neither is "no shirt, no shoes".
But it is not up to the "owner's sole opinion" either. A judge's opinion was given in a court of law, ruling was that the problem was not about a photo of a "terrorist" but a photo of a jew. The "owner's sole opinion" becomes meaningless as soon as it results in a violation of the law against discrimination based on race, religion, etc.

Of course it has to be that way or you get something like:

"I'm not against jews at all, I am only against terrorists. But in my experience, most zionist jews were terrorists, so... sorry, no service."

"I'm not against blacks, I am against illegal activities. But, you know, just about all blacks are gun-packing drug dealing thieves, so...sorry no service."

"I'm not against Canadians. I am against pornographic images. We all know though, about those sex-crazed Canucks and their porn, and you look like you might be a Canadian, so, I'm not even going to take a chance on developing your pictures, you left-wing, back-bacon eating, hockey playing, heathen!"

Putting up a cleverly worded sign doesn't absolve anyone from their legal and moral responsibility to behave civilly to a fellow citizen.

Posted by: Rudy at April 16, 2008 3:33 PM

"An open letter to the General Manager, Global Warming – Europe

15 April 2008 - Haute Provence office
Dear Sir / Madam As a long time resident of the south east of France, notably the famous region called “Provence”, I would like to make a complaint.

Firstly, I am writing to the “General Manager” because I assume that there must be one. With so many “experts” in the world, someone somewhere must manage them. I assume.

I have spent the day with 2 people from the south of England who are very serious about buying a property in northern Provence. They have read most of my previously published news articles about the climate (300 days of sunshine, Provencal summer and Alpine winters), the exchange rate (which is not getting any better – I have written to Mr. Brown and Mr. Bush too and have expressed my wish for comment by return of post), and the lifestyle which, I hasten to add, seems to be the only thing that is not in jeopardy at the moment.

So, why is it, then, that my clients and I have had to endure a day of driving rain, snow and gale force winds when I would have expected 20 degrees Celsius and deep blue skies? Why is it that spring has been denied the right to break when, according to your “experts”, the planet is warming at an alarming rate and that “winter in Europe is a thing of the past”?" (via newsbusters)

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 4:14 PM

My biggest beef with the HRC is their structure and their expansion not individual cases. From noble and humble beginnings they have become an organization that does not have the skills and abilities to deal with complex social,medical and business issues.

When they arbitrated small cases involving rentals and employment they did little harm. They had the ability to settle these cases and thereby reduce the use of the regular courts. The appointment process by which they were hired was not as big a deal because their cases had little impact.

Now they have expanded into hate speech, the internet, medical decisions and in fact wish to add classification like "social condition" as protected groups. Their lack of oversight, unprofessional conduct and bias is showing in the cases they take and their means of securing a conviction. They are creating rights out of thin air. The defendants are having their legal rights trampled by the unequal financial burden and presumption of guilt.Unaccountable appointees should not have this degree of power.

At the very least they should be returned to their very limited role. I think the public would find that there is really not much of a case load for them anymore and they can then be disbanded. All of the more complex issues need to be handled by the real legal system and our elected representatives.

Laws must be return to being based on one common standard for all Canadians not different rights based on group identity and PC. Being a libertarian, I would prefer laws based on maximum individual rights and minimum government intervention but at the very least citizens deserve fairness and accountability. The HRC is not fulfilling even this low standard.

Posted by: lynnh at April 16, 2008 4:33 PM

Re: The Election Canada "visit" to Conservative Party HQ: Not a set up for initimidation/political manipulation????

Thhnk again. According to Don Martin the CBC crew with cameras and reporters were waiting outside Tory HQ for TWO HOURS BEFORE EC and their RCMP props arrived.

AND the Liberals had a HIRED videographer on hand.

This stinks. And it could happen to any of us - getting bludgeoned if you try to take on a government body like Elections Canada. No matter what political stripe you are this is just plain wrong don't you think.

Posted by: lmf at April 16, 2008 4:38 PM

Charles MacDonald: "A businessman who turns away custom because of his bigotry is limiting his prospects of success -- no more and no less."

Charles, I'm not an expert on libertarianism, which is why I am a conservative, so I'll accept your definition of a libertarian view. But I am surprised by how amoral a philospophy you paint it as.

Would you still support this statement if it read: "A businessman who turns away custom because of his penchant for eating babies is limiting his prospects of success -- no more and no less"? Maybe someone would defend this, provided that the shop owner didn't actually
eat any babies. The problem with an attitude, such as bigotry is when it becomes behaviour that effects other people. In acts of discrimination, along with being denied a needed service, an individual is insulted, disrespected, their worth as a human being denigrated. That is a type of real injury. And its impact is multiplied when an entire population experiences the bigotry, just because they are in the minority.

The problem with market forces dealing with bigotry, is that that markets are amoral - they don't choose between moral or immoral actions. In this market, the playing field is not level - those being discriminated against are in the minority. The discriminatory shop owner is not going to go out of business by driving away the custom of those who are in the minority. Which is why we have laws and charters to prohibit discrimination and protect the individual rights of everyone.

You can salute Ronald Reagan for taking a personal stand against anti-semitic organizations, but really, how many country-clubs did he close down? And it was not "some people" who were denied some services, it was a whole lot of people, denied services and a great deal more. And how many years, decades, or even centuries are supposed to pass, perpetuating these egregious injustices, before the market forces finally complete their work?. Sometimes, such as in Britain during the slave trade, the Jim Crow south, or Germany's anti-semitic Nazi regime, bigotry and discrimination are so entrenched in the system that civilized and moral societies must take action against it, and to defend civil and human rights for the minority as well as the majority.

Acts of discrimination based on race, religion, colour, etc. is wrong, and it hurts people. That is why we have laws against it.

Posted by: Rudy at April 16, 2008 4:41 PM


The difference is billions of stolen taxpayer dollars that are still unaccounted for. These are merely weekly staged scams by the Liberals that they are using for possible election ads. And also to keep the focus off their Achilles hanging toenail - Dion.

199 Liberal scams, since Chretien. You have a long way to go to even attempt to create similarities.

Posted by: irwin daisy at April 16, 2008 5:10 PM

" individual is insulted, disrespected, their worth as a human being denigrated. That is a type of real injury."

My heart bleeds for them. Of course, we have an entire industry of social scientists, HRC functionaries, and Supreme court of Canada justices to emote for these people and pander to their subjective -- not to say nomogenic -- psychological pain. Awards of damages based on objective tests and objective injury are a much surer path to justice, I suggest.

How many country clubs did people like Ronald Reagan close down? They opened the vast majority of them to accepting members of all races and creeds.

Similarly, the decades-long boycott of Pepsi did no more than hurt its bottom line. That is a type of real injury. Yet for years Pepsi pursued commerce with communist regimes and repressive Arab tyrannies but refused to trade with Israel. Then its totalitarian friends crumbled due to the sustained, moral opposition of people like Ronald Reagan and Pepsi had to adapt to a new reality.

"markets are amoral - they don't choose between moral or immoral actions."

The market is an abstraction that does not exist separately from the people who comprise it. Those people have moral beliefs and act on them, much more efficiently than an ossified bureaucracy such as a human rights commission or a court, which is of necessity committed to stare decisis and incremental change as precedent responds to changes in society.

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 16, 2008 5:11 PM

"Grits demand Answers about RCMP on Tory HQ"
ctv once again shows its liberal bias just in the picture of the PM. it shows the PM answering a question in the HOC & with his head down(much as he does all the time when he is in thought of Rebutal to slam Dunk the Liberals)
But put the 2 together the Headline & photo & we have CTV bias trying to make out the Shame of another conservative Scandal.
Now what i would like to know, like Most Canadians & The Answer that should be Demanded should be coming from the Liberals WHERE IS THE STOLEN TAXPAYER MONEY?

Posted by: bryanr at April 16, 2008 5:26 PM

Here's a sociological view of why anti-capitalist Marxists are what they are, and why journalists, academics, and bureaucrats are so often populated by those who hate a market economy. And eventually, seek and push policy options that are left-wing.

"The intellectual wants the whole society to be a school writ large, to be like the environment where he did so well and was so well appreciated."

Makes alot of sense to me.

Posted by: hardboiled at April 16, 2008 5:29 PM

From the Braaaaaaaawdcast (Newman) re the PMSH/Elections Canada thing:'We could have a Robert Mugabe moment if we're not careful!'

Posted by: Sammy at April 16, 2008 5:56 PM

"French Eurovision entry to sing in English"
"YouTube: Sebastién Tellier's Divine video" (telegraph)

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 6:31 PM

a poll on C02 caue of climate "crisis" ...
results so far - 63.6% = C02 not likely cause ...

Posted by: ww at April 16, 2008 6:38 PM

Paul Martin's ships are registered offshore, but his golf course is out back baby!

Posted by: richfisher at April 16, 2008 9:24 PM

communist terror, communist invasion

Journalist threatened


Vancouver columnist and broadcaster Bill Tieleman has received death threats to himself and his family. This after writing a column in 24 Hours last week suggesting we all boycott China instead of just the summer Olympics.

Tieleman received a flurry of emails from around the world but there was one from China that mentioned a weapon, "When I got the second email right in a row, I responded to it thinking that it was probably a fake email address and just said the police had been notified immmediately. And I immediately got another email back saying, "I have a gun and I'm waiting." So, at that point it became even more serious than I was initially thinking about it."

Another email from Mainland China said, " I am normal Chinese. I must kill you and your family."

Tieleman will visit the Bill Good Program this morning.

Posted by: youpai at April 16, 2008 9:42 PM

"Watson defends statements he made 30 years ago about exploiting the seal hunt

HALIFAX - An environmental crusader at the centre of the anti-sealing movement is standing by comments he made 30 years ago in which he rebuked other conservation groups for exploiting harp seals for profit.

In a 1978 CBC radio interview, now being circulated on YouTube, Paul Watson slams Greenpeace and others for focusing protests on seal hunting because "it is very easy to exploit," even though the species is not endangered.

Watson, the 57-year-old co-founder of Greenpeace who later established the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, tells the interviewer that conservation groups campaign to protect seals because the animals are "cute" and their images help generate more donations than efforts to save other species.

"Oh, it's definitely because it's easier to make money and because it does make a profit," he says in the seven-minute discussion with Barbara Frum."

Barbara Frum - Paul Watson Interview, 1978 CBC

Posted by: maz2 at April 16, 2008 10:02 PM

Thanks muchly for that Maz2, I've been meaning to try to hunt down a YouTube or equivalent version of that since Ardvark mentioned it[1] (and I commented on it) in reference to Hunter's Place[2].


Posted by: Vitruvius at April 16, 2008 10:51 PM

Rudy: "One right we should all enjoy is "the right to be treated like anybody else"."

Kinda like white males are treated by affirmative action? Who is this anybody else? ... the married white man/white lady with 1.2 kids?

In matters that the state sticks their noses into, yes, everyone should be treated like anyone else ... but that isn't the case, is it? ... even for the state.

Ok, treated like everyone else. We had a Sikh Parade in Surrey last Sunday. I drove down 132nd ... hundreds of illegally parked cars (clearly marked no parking) ... even blocking private driveways .. 4 blocks away from the parade. Didn't see one ticket on a car ... didn't see one tow truck. Why? Non ethnic events like this in the lower mainland usually have the tow trucks working overtime ... swarming is a better word.

Quick - tell me what is the difference if I don't want to do business with a white guy or a black guy because they are are a dickhead? ... PC answer - only white guys can be dickheads ... unless of course a black guy thinks a black guy is a dickhead.

And BTW, I prefer to do business with businesses that don't treat me like "anybody else".

Posted by: ural at April 17, 2008 12:14 AM

Ural: "Yeah man, a poor white guy can't get an even break in this country. I tell ya, I could've been a contender, if it wasn't for all those Sikhs getting all the good stuff..."

Your claim to victimization underwhelms me. This is Canada. Stand on your own two feet and go make something of yourself.

Posted by: Rudy at April 17, 2008 7:59 AM