The defendants should view this as an opportunity. Now you can depose Warman to your heart's content. Just wear his ass out with discovery.

For sure I'll be hitting PayPal, Kate.
I had no idea I wasn't in Canada. Gotta be Cuba, or China.

Ezra mentions in his statement that Warman is suing for only $50,000 in an alleged attempt to circumvent discovery.

Surely, there must be a way to countersue him for an amount that triggers discovery.

Texan, go check out Ezra's discussion on the situation. It appears Warman has sued everyone for $50,000 each. Such a sum apparently qualifies the suit for some kind of express lane, which reduces or nullifies a lot of the discovery process. Can you believe that? Like it can't get anymore brutal.

I was going to send some $ to my local CPC riding association, but I think that they will be more useful to Kate, Kathy, Ezra and Marc.

Why hasn't your media gotten a story done on this? Y'all seem like a dangerously passive people up there. I think this Ezra guy may be almost the last man left in Canada. I don't think you guys have the luxury of dry powder I don't think. You're in real trouble.

Your humble correspondent Drained Brain has responded here to those who ask on Michelle Malkin's site what Canadians are themselves doing to fight this.

Now is the time for... nah, I never could type that accurately but you should still get the point.

Hit that Tip Jar rather than waiting for Kate to win a Canada Council Grant.

Can't this Warman guy be sued for abusing the system seeing as how he seems to be the only one making all of these claims?

We will defeat these insolent mofo's! The fun has just begun. Hit those Paypal buttons people!

Warman is now trying to use the courts to silence is critics. He has already lost this one before it gets going.

His past machinations through the HRCs failed to do anything but put his true character in the public eye and now he will have the lights turned up even brighter.

I just made a contribution. I'm living on a relatively small pension, so I can't contribute a lot, but I guess any little bit helps. This is truly a worthy cause. I have also e-mailed my MP, Rahim Jaffer to tell him my feelings on the subject, but so far have not received a reply. Perhaps he or his staff are very busy, but I think that if he were flooded with e-mails he might pay attention.

Lucy Warman should take into account, that since I paid off my mortgage, there is only one burden on my wallet: keeping the gun collection going. When Kate is threatened, guns can wait. I have tons of money to spend on helping this cause. Lucy should bail out before it's too late for her.

rule 76 can be objected to in this case since warman, in addition to monetary relief, seeks an apology and retraction.

the claim is $50k total on a joint and several basis. not $50k each.

oh i forgot, you guys hate lawyers.

Can someone guide me thru backtracking, or what's it called? Meaning I want to link a post in my blog to this... There should be something in place instead of digging in HTML source of Kate's front page.

Just kicked in for the cause.

Hi Aaron, my backtracks don't work. The spammers took care of that last year. :(

Why doesn't someone publish Warmans home address so people can mail him,uh,letters of protest and such.

Is there an address for this Warp-man guy? I think he's in Orleans, Ottawa area.
For those who wish to mail in complaints.

When is the Harper case against Dionski coming up?
Assume it's still on, haven't heard any apology from the little dink.

A lawyer available to ask a very important question. How can you certify as a class action invalid (statued barred) Indian Residential School claims again? Only lawyers that ignore the Legal Professions Act. Others are the few shining Knights and they are few.

I don't have allot but I'll send you some cash Kate. Wish I could send more...

This is just insane.....I'll see what I can do to help the cause....This just makes me sick to my stomach that little imps like Warman can get away with this crap.

I think warman is going apes*@# because he knows that his game is almost up and he wants to do as much damage as possible before he completely loses all relevance and becomes no more than another largely ignored fringe radical.

What really bothers me in all this is the defensive mindset Kate. I am being asked to donate to defense funds for various bloggers and that is fair enough.

But, dammit, it is not enough for an asshat like Warman to lose a court case. The man should be punished for what he's done. If what you guys are saying about him is true, the SOB should be behind bars.

It's not enough for me to see our bloggers and rights defended from swine like Warman...I want to see Warman's head on a stick, and I want to see his parrots like Warren Kinsella shudder at the thought of ever trying BS like this again.

It is time for you all to go on the offensive.

What exactly is the complaint?
I did look up Ezra's blog, but again it wasn't clear what precisely Warman is complaining about!

What are you guys supposed to have done?

Unable to use pay pal to donate with credit card. Won't recognize Canadian province of postal code on the form. What's up with that. Anyone??

I am with Jim!

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this guy is simple enough to wanna square off with
kathy shaidle in a court of law?

geezus... that's like shakin' up a bag of feral cats...
and then sticking your face in to see how they're
doin'.

not that kate and ezra are any kind of slouches.

i "ALMOST" feel sorry for this dumbstick.

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John West,

It should work. Leave out the space in the Post Code, and make sure the country says Canada.

Does Warman do all this BS on his own time, or does he spend his taxpayer funded time in his job with DND?? Is he using his government office computer and materials to play his game?? I would think it wrong to be collecting tax dollars while doing personal crap. He would do well to address these questions publicly before proceeding to much further.

John West, I use paypal form Canada. You have to go set yourself up a Canadian account with them and then you can use it to pay. Look for a link for international customers, or contact their tech support.

Every single one of us should be calling and writing hand-written letters to our MPs. I'll be writing a letter to the editor of the London Free Press on this issue, asking others to also write to their MP's

Who wants to march on Ottawa?

How surreal is it that on a day when we should be thinking about the actions of brave men at Vimy and the freedoms they fought for, we are reminded of lesser mortals like warman.

His choice of legal representatives- Shillers LLP- perhaps tells us a lot.

Wikipedia.....'Shill' can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit 'shill' for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity.

Free speech and fair comment must be preserved Kate, my donation will follow.

Got it .. thanks

Lucy needs a geography lesson.

Delisle is no more a City than Barrie is. Perhaps SDA can slip the noose on a technicality.

My pay pal button will get hit 4 times later today.

There's clear video evidence of Warman counselling a bunch of thugs to commit an assault. That alone should be enough for disbarment.

When does johnny ringo come by and rattle his empty-save-for-the-bullet head?

...just wanted to get that out of the way before he pops up with some new ignorance.

Finland lends it support via Tundra Tabloids.

http://tinyurl.com/6223f4

Keep in mind that this effort to shut down the right side of the spectrum of the blogoshere is also an effort by our champions of "PC Free Speech Only", to again paint the Conservatives and their supporters as supporters of white supremacist websites and all that that entails.

The progressives will use this against you to paint you (us, as I'm one who is as PO'd about this as you posting here) as the "knuckle-draggers" in our "progressive" society. It is an attempt to extinguish "conservative" thought and opinion, marginalize it and drive it underground.

The most disconcerting fact of this issue is the fact that a government paid institution is stifling free speech in this country, using your tax dollars to pay for it, even indirectly using Richard Warman Private Citizen TM as the conduit. It's the same at the provincial level as well. The silence from our current Conservative federal government on this issue as well as on the provincial level, speaks volumes of how effective the "progressives" have silenced them on any public censure of what our various HRC's are doing against their own supporters. An election will not solve this problem, in fact I would venture to suggest that there will be a noticeable split in our society that will pit even family members against family members. This is a visceral fight to the finish on this issue and it will get uglier as this goes on.

Garduneh Mehr

What exactly is the complaint?
I did look up Ezra's blog, but again it wasn't clear what precisely Warman is complaining about!

What are you guys supposed to have done?

Have different opinions this bleep did'nt approve of. That answer you question?

Paypal sent. Not much, but every $20 helps. A minimum of $20 per reader/poster would kick start things in a big way. Get on it, folks.

I like ward's thinking:

The money I would give to my riding association is now going to serve another purpose.

Boy am I glad I don't have a blog. I think I would be in deep trouble as, although I find myself agreeing with Kate's opinion 99% of the time(She likes dodge I like chev), I think I would lack the tact and restraint to temper my comments.

It is a sad state of affairs when we have to be so worried about our statements and opinions.

Kate, please accept my small donation, I plan to make more as this goes on.

I also donated. However, I also agree with Jim - it is time to go on the offensive. Warman should be investigated, charged and when obviously found guilty - imprisoned. And then the civil suits to finish the vile one off.

With Pen, the Association of Canadian Journalists, National Post and Macleans - we should be able to mount a devastating pro-bono advocacy campaign to inform the majority and turn every decent Canadian against them.

The idea isn't just to beat them, it's to crush them with maximum prejudice.

Who exactly is this Warman individual really?
What's his real problem?

I would write to my MP, but me thinks a dipper would not be paying much attention.

Maybe if I signed it with CUPW after the name?

I donated $5. I regret I can't give more at this time, as I don't have a steady job yet. But I'll do what I can for the cause.

I just blogged a piece on you and Kathy. I'm really sick about the whole thing. I really don't know what to say.

Lindsey

Any legal minds out there? Would it be possible for the bloggers to somehow consolidate their defense and pool their funds so they can take on this creep?

This latest action may be just enough to put Mr. Warman over the top for a future Order of Canada.

Paypal'd 50.00 Kate.

My money will be going to defend free speech.
If our MPs should decide to do the right thing,
I will again donate to my local Party EDA. Otherwise, not another red cent.

"Ezra mentions in his statement that Warman is suing for only $50,000 in an alleged attempt to circumvent discovery."

Well, would a million dollar countersuit open up the discovery process? It can be pretty easy to get into a lawsuit but murder getting out.

I can understand it is a political minefield for the Conservatives. Having said that, if they aren't up to the task I will direct my CPC monies towards freedom of speech and the suppression of censorship.

Kate,

Could you post a mailing address to send a old-fashion cheque?
Paypal's not my thang.

Thanks,
Rednik

Warman really is an idiot of the highest order. The fool has invited an avalanche of negative exposure to himself. Now that his sorry ass has caught the attention of Michelle Malkin and Instapundit he has a good chance to being a news item on FOX. I've noticed that they often get their material from conservative blogs.

I wonder if his meringue pie compadres had any input?

What a fool.

Another point....Warman is likely baiting people to send him "hate mail" via the internet or otherwise.

Heh. I feel kind of bad, that it was US bloggers flogging the issue to get it noticed, even if I was one of the Flea-inspired floggers...

But we right-wing knuckle-dragging myrmidons *did* get it noticed, at least in the bubble of the blogosphere, didn't we?

The important thing is the commentary is mostly happening on the Canadian sites, along with the fiscal assistance. Mebbe, just mebbe, you guys can make some damn fine lemonade out of this lemon.

Good luck on wrapping Warman up in legalese, Kate.

Of bloody course I've added my own words and an appropriate graphic available for all to steal:

WARMAN DECLARES WAR AGAINST BLOGGERS

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2008/04/warman-declares-war-against-bloggers.html

This is a fight which King Leonidas of Sparta would love...

This has gotten me really pissed off and I think it's time to launch a maximal disruption campaign against Warman. His actions have made him a public figure and it was my understanding that commenting on the actions of public figures cannot be considered to be slander. A complaint to the Ontario law society would be in order and it would probably help if hundreds of people wrote in to complain about his actions. I'd also suggest writing to his employer letting them know what Warman's up to. The amount of time Warman's spending self-googling must be interfering with his work.

I haven't seen Warman's home address posted anywhere, but his actions are so objectionable that I think it is appropriate to hit him at his place of employment. If a few hundred people sent strips of duct tape in an envelope (symbolic of his attempt to stifle free speech) I'm sure his superiors would notice. Perhaps they would decide the he was too much of an embarassment to have around.

I'll be snailmailing a donation as I can't get paypal to work (for some reason my Visa card doesn't work for online purchases in Canada). I'll also be letting PMSH know that the Conservative party isn't getting any money from me this year as if he's not interested in protecting free speech then I'll give the money to people who are.

I'm reposting a bit from Tips, about the Canadian Laws on defamation. The thing is, I don't think that Warman's lawsuit is..well, suitable.

Because, in Section 301 of the criminal code, there is no problem with posting matter that is "matter that, on reasonable grounds, he (the defendant) believes is true, and that is relevant to any subject of public interest, the public discussion of which is for the public benefit."

And, section 302, on a public person, you can make comments "on the public conduct of a person who takes part in public affairs".

Well, that's not only our MPs, it's our civil service who are publicly accountable. That includes Warman and his behaviour with regard to the HRAct.

And 311; "No person shall be deemed to publish a defamatory libel where he proves that the publication of the defamatory matter in the manner in which it was published was for the public benefit at the time when it was published and that the matter itself was true. "

In my view, the publication by all (Levant, Shaidle, McMillan, Free Dominion etc) were for the public benefit, by making public the abuses of the Human Rights Commission - and Richard Warman's absue of the HRAct by his personal filing of so many third party complaints, his interference with the process, etc.

"315. No person shall be deemed to publish a defamatory libel by reason only that he publishes defamatory matter in good faith for the purpose of seeking remedy or redress for a private or public wrong or grievance from a person who has, or who on reasonable grounds he believes has, the right or is under an obligation to remedy or redress the wrong or grievance, if

(a) he believes that the defamatory matter is true;

(b) the defamatory matter is relevant to the remedy or redress that is sought;"

So, on several grounds, I don't think that Warman's lawsuit is valid. We, the public, have a right to critique his behaviour in our public institutions. We, the public, think that the system is flawed and that he is using its flaws for both his own personal gain, and, I also suspect, for his personal psychological neurosis.

There is absolutely no proof that his reputation has suffered as a result of our critique; it might have suffered as a result of his own behaviour but that's his problem. What is his behaviour? Filing so many third party complaints at the Human Rights Commission, interfering in the processing of these complaints by advice etc; encouraging young people to physically assault a speaker at a public presentation (David Icke), using anonymous names to post hate-messages on blogs, and malicious lawsuits against anyone whom he feels says something critical of him.

I personally think that Warman has a psychological problem; he's a Controller. He has to control what people think about various issues (that's why he's in the job he's in!); and he has to control what they think about him. That's quite a serious neurosis.

Those named in the Warman action need to retain counsel and file a class action. Warman clearly represents a political force which is attempting to silence Conservative opinion in Canada.

I would urge anyone who donates to the Conservative Party to instead direct those contributions to the defense of those named in the Warman action.

This issue strikes at the heart of democracy in Canada. If Warman and company are successful then free speech and individual freedom in Canada is lost forever.

I am shocked and outraged by this abuse of process. It is time to get organized and protest this travesty.

Do not rely on the Canadian MSM to report on this issue. It will be American journalists who write about these fascist tactics.

Call your MP - make sure they listen.

And forget about the federal election - this is the cause celebre.

I've already contributed to Ezra, but I want to contribute more to everyone threatened by this warman nazi.

Ideally, there would be a single joint defense fund and the same legal defense team would handle the representation of all of warman's victims in order to reduce legal costs.

Also there are plenty of sites in America and elsewhere which would be proud to assist in the counterattack, beyond the reach of warman's legal tenacles.

And Allen, we luv lawyers like you. Any thoughts?

"I would urge anyone who donates to the Conservative Party to instead direct those contributions to the defense of those named in the Warman action."

Notifying the CPC tonight. This gong show has gotten completely out-of-hand. If the Harper government no longer supports their base, then there's no reason for me to support them.

if lucy lose's does he have to pay your legal bill? anyone?

We are working behind the scenes with excellent legal counsel. (And other offers to assist have come forward on that front, as well). So I think we're pretty well covered when it comes to the nuts and bolts of the legal side.

:)

Is this the Warman? Does the Minister of National Defense condone Warman's activities? Who is the Minister of National Defense? Has CSIS been informed?
...-

"Law Society of Upper Canada"

"Member Contact Information
Full Name
Richard Bruce Warman
Status
Not Practising Law - Employed
Company Name
Department of National Defense
Business Address
Withheld
Phone
Fax
Email address
Withheld'
http://tinyurl.com/4kue5n

I believe if the initiator of the lawsuit loses he must pay court and the other sides reasonable legal costs. Right now that is adding up to, based on public statements by Levant and Shaidle $50,000 per blogger x the number of bloggers...is that 5

So Warman's warchest, should he lose goes to $250,000. Ezra is likely correct that another org is backing him to some extent or on a contingency basis.

The question is what happens should he drop the suit just prior to it going to court. Essentially you cause the other side to go through probably 70% of their legal costs but then no decision is made.

I guess that would mean all of the others would have to engage in more money to initiate a suit against him. Likely a harder thing to do....perhaps some legal mind on this board could comment on that scenario.

If he pays nothing then this is about potential chill and seeing if he can make anyone break, for minimum cost. Minimum cost, maximum disruption. Sounds like fun for someone who has a well paid government job, that you cant get fired from, that pays a great pension and someone else is funding your legal bills. I mean heck if anyone was in that position they would probably harass their political opponents. why not, its fun to make them uncomfortable....its called maximum disruption.

As I said, what's the cost to the plaintiff if they drop the suit the day before the court date?

Yeee-HAW!

$50,000 lawsuit against SDA and Five Feet of Fugly, too!

Guess you redenck racists and homophobes will have to take your retro act somewhere else!

It *was* nice for awhile there, wasn't it? Just like the 'fifties, before all those uppity women and black people and gays started wrecking everything for all you decent hard-working whities.

Sayonara, chumps!

A few thousand rolls of duct tape sent to his employer, addressed to Richard might cause some people to take a close look at who they're employing.

I paypalled Kate & Ezra both $50 each, and am writing the CPC website to inform them
that I can not give them $100 this year because it went to a better cause.

Maybe Rob Nicholson will get the message & do something about these HRCs.

I just advised the Conservative candidate in my riding that his contribution is going to Ezra Levant et al....

it's time for the Harper government to get behind this issue and state the governments position on an individuals right to freedom of speech in Canada....

when a pencil-neck like Warman (sue me you bitch) - who is paid by the taxpayers of this country - can instill fear in Canadians for embracing conservative opinions and values...

when CTV News, a national broadcaster can denigrate the entire conservative electorate - rfife@ctv.ca - "knuckle-draggers"....

when conservative bloggers are threatened with legal action for expressing conservative opinions....

I will leave Canada - because this country is becoming worse than the former Soviet Union....

Kate,

The smallest donation you will see is probably mine, I wish I could have given you more but I have health problems that affect my financial situation ( long story...maybe another time...)

Rednik; Click on homepage under the picture of Kate behind her bike. Then click on "Contact Kate" I would say that's what you were asking about.

I'm with Jim too! What the hell? Why isn't there some Canadian's for Freedom outfit offensively fighting these guys? Canadian Veterans with some cash? Anyone? Anyone? This shouldn't be left as a defensive play... I'm just saying... What else is being done about this assault on freedom of speech?

I'm with Jim too! What the hell? Why isn't there some Canadian's for Freedom outfit offensively fighting these guys? Canadian Veterans with some cash? Anyone? Anyone? This shouldn't be left as a defensive play... I'm just saying... What else is being done about this assault on freedom of speech?

Like redneck, I use cheques and an address is required to send the cheque - would it be possible to open a defense fund bank account - I think that that would be easy and effective.

This last action of Lucy and PC gang would be laughable 20 years ago - who would have thought that Canada could come to this - not even during the dark days of Puffin Rule did I dream that this nightmare from the Soviet Union could come to roost here? I will send as much as I can afford and I will pass around this post too.

The bureaucrats in this nation MUST be STOPPED. If it is any comfort, PMSH is also up against this fanatical murder of crows; the public service needs dunging out (my brother is a plumber - he uses this verb at work!). We are PAYING these Lucy types who use our money to sue Canadian citizens (that's us folks!) who have committed no crime. It cannot get any worse. One more step and we will have no access to Justice because we will find ourselves living in a Cuba type state with us as the state slaves.

I'm with Jim too! What the hell? Why isn't there some Canadian's for Freedom outfit offensively fighting these guys? Canadian Veterans with some cash? Anyone? Anyone? This shouldn't be left as a defensive play... I'm just saying... What else is being done about this assault on freedom of speech?

I also will not be donating to the CPC this year, but I will be donating to you guys. Thanks for fighting this. I would be very surprised if you did not get enought to fight this as well as to turn around an sue him. The difference I find between the left and the right is that the right is willing to put their own money where their mouth is, whereas the left will use government (taxpayers money) to fight the good fight,

I also will not be donating to the CPC this year, but I will be donating to you guys. Thanks for fighting this. I would be very surprised if you did not get enought to fight this as well as to turn around an sue him. The difference I find between the left and the right is that the right is willing to put their own money where their mouth is, whereas the left will use government (taxpayers money) to fight the good fight,

Just sent my donation.
I will also be informing my MP that it'll come out of my CPC donation amount. That is a brilliant suggestion.

Kick his ass.

Just made a donation, Kate.  Wish I could do more, but then, mebbe all the conservative bloggers should pool their resources and counter-sue Warman out of existence...

Garth

The Good Fight is being picked up around the world! David Ickes hisself has linked to me and Ezra!

http://tinyurl.com/lkvl4

Scroll down you'll find it;)

Support our Troops just took on a whole other meaning.

The Netherlands tosses a wooden shoe in the fire:

http://tinyurl.com/6o6d69

Give 'em hell Kate!! I will add my small contributions to both you and Kathy.

* Yeee-HAW!

$50,000 lawsuit against SDA and Five Feet of Fugly, too!

Guess you redenck racists and homophobes will have to take your retro act somewhere else!

It *was* nice for awhile there, wasn't it? Just like the 'fifties, before all those uppity women and black people and gays started wrecking everything for all you decent hard-working whities.

Sayonara, chumps! *

Rolik - tell me (and everyone) that you're purposefully trying to be a s***-disturber ...

kate....even tho you sent me a shitty email about using the F word thereby exposing me to potential hatred and contempt in the future, i'm gonna send you a few bucks anyway....cause i like yer style.....

My contribution just went in too.

And wil also notify CPC as others are doing.

It's time for nonsense like this to stop.

http://steynian.wordpress.com/2008/04/09/steynianism-1065/

WHEN WARMAN ATTACKS: The Blogger-5 News Update

Mailed to MP Keith Martin, PM Stephen Harper and my own (NDP) MP.

Dear Mr. Martin;

I’m writing to you because:

• You have publicly championed freedom of thought and speech in Canada by calling for the abolition of Sec. 13 (1) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

• You are a fellow Vancouver Islander

• I am represented by a member of the NDP who would in all likelihood either dismiss my concerns or even agree with the CHRC regarding freedom of speech issues.

You are probably aware that Richard Warman, whose behaviour as a former CHRC employee and frequent complainant of the CHRC is now suing the National Post, Jonathan Kay, Ezra Levant, Kathy Shaidle and Catherine (Kate) McMillan for defamation and libel. I note that he has asked for damages exactly at the level which would allow him to avoid ‘discovery’ of his own past activities regarding the CHRC in the courts.

Having followed the issue closely for some months, I am growing increasingly concerned about the brazen attack on freedom of speech in Canada. Under the current system, individuals like Mr. Warman and the quasi-judicial HRC’s are able to intimidate and then if necessary, grind down individuals by forcing them to use their own funds to defend what should be their inalienable rights as Canadians.

I would urge that your renew your call for not only the abolishment of Section 13, but a complete review of the mandate of the Canadian Human Rights Commission system. The government of Canada has many issues which must be dealt with, but without the ability of Canadian citizens to voice their opinions – popular or unpopular – we will lose the most fundamental and important of ‘Canadian values’, a free and open democracy.

I thank you for your service to our country and your willingness to stand up for the rights of Canadians everywhere.

And just think -- any contribution made will eventually pay itself off in the form less taxes to support these shenanigans.
Shenanigan. Love that word.

Hey NO GUFF
Can I copy your missive and send it to PMSH?

Keep up the good fight Kate. Made a small donation but prepared to help more as needed.

People like Richard Warman and his friends in the various Human Rights Commissions need to have their nefarious actions and methods exposed.

Cash in the pot. Most important fight in Canada in my 60 years...

Just a thought. Has anyone thought to contact the National Citizens Coalition? They are usually game to help out in cases like this. If the Harper government cant help, maybe his old employer will.

I rarely comment but read SDA daily. This is a fight worth every effort. My donation has been sent.

Wow! Just in on this discussion...this is incredible that each blogger will have to pay approx $35,000? Is that lawyer fees?

There is so much wrong with this situation! It is time our MP's got involved.

No Guff...thanks for the letter..I'll be using it for a model.
Who has Rob Nicholson as an MP?

THIS IS NUTS!!

It's a defamation suit kids, not a section 13 HRC complaint. There's nothing the CPC or your MP's can do in this instance, short of kicking a few bucks into the defense fund...

I know that Kate has a lot of readers from varying backgrounds and it'd probably be more effective if you used your respective talents to fact-check the basis of Warman's claim as opposed to writing your MP's. What Kate et al need right now is cash and unequivocal proof that Warman posted the "Cools comment". Once Warman's been publicly (in a court of law) exposed for the lying POS that he is, you'll have the ammo you need to shut down the HRC's.

Funz:

I was wondering how long it would take for the mental defectives to show up. I'm not sure what part of the country you're from, but on the chance it is still cold where you are, you might want to make the tinfoil hat a little bigger so shrinkage doesn't put too much strain on that airbag you're blowing out of the top of your neck.

Grownups are discussing important matters here, so shoo. Besides the village called, they want their idiot back.

Too many Jims here now. Time for a name change...LOL

Well that was the best 200 bucks I have spent in a while. 50 smackers to each of the bloggers under attack. Sorry NP, but ya don't have paypal!!

“You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.”
Winston Churchill

Just had a look at Lucy's statement of claim which can be found at:
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/images/newsoc.pdf

It would appear to me (from a quick read of the document) that the whole case hangs on the author of the Senator Cools posting. Warman states that he did not author the post but makes no comment regarding the origin of the post from an IP address the corresponds to Warman's. Warman, in his statement of claim, states that he has testified 3 times under oath that he was not the author of the Senator Cools post. He must either be exceedingly arrogant (for if he is found to have lied under the oath there goes his ability to practice law), or he didn't write the post. That then leaves us with the problem of how his IP address was the origin of the post. Possibilities are:
(1) He had someone use his computer and may have hinted that it might be a good idea to post the following material (just like his conversation with the individuals who attacked David Icke with pies)
(2) Warman had an open wireless access point at his residence and another individual utilized this to post the material
(3) Warman's computer was part of an anonymizer network which allows people to hide their real IP address.

I'm assuming that Warman's not disputing the IP address associated with the Senator Cools post as being his home IP address indicates that the post came from there. Warman, in his statement of claim states:
"15. It is a matter of public record that Mr. Warman has denied under oath on three occasions having made the Cools Posting or having had anything to do with it."

There's the opening that we need. If he'd stopped at "having made the Cools Posting" he might have a chance, but Warman would have had something to do with every one of the 3 possibilities that I mentioned as alternatives.

Anyway, that's enough on this topic as I've got other work to do today and just have to find a stamp to mail off a $100 check to Kate.

A contribution is on the way from this politically active, politically conservative lesbian. Freedom of speech is far more important than someone occasionally getting their little feelings hurt.

paddyk

Read Rolik at 4:13 pm, then re-read my post.

Loquacious invective, though ...

Thanks for posting a mailing address, a cheque is on the way.

Circle the wagons people....is that PC?

Regards,

Rednik

Wow... look at that... all these people literally putting their money where their mouths are. Giving it to those who actually fight liberal fascism, rather than to those who are more concerned with political timing and optics than with taking quick action on the file to abolish S. 13.1 and the CHRC.

Money talks loudly. Wish I had some to spare, but then again, I'm a blogger who's blogged a bit about Warman, and one never knows if he'll cast a wider net next, to try to catch the smaller fry amongst us...

But I just might, next time I'm prepared to donate a few dollars, forego donating it to the governing party for now and instead give it to those actually fighting the battle the hard way personally, ensuring it does the most good when and where it's actually needed, considering there's not much to spare, really... Are you listening, my Conservative Party brethren?

I will be sending you a check and will send periodic checks to you through the duration of this struggle.

I have notified my MP Jeff Watson that as of today the riding association will not be receiving any donations from me until the time I am sure my freedom of speech is ensured.

Hey Kate, weren't you advocating a little while ago that someone could try and sue Warren Kinsella for defamation on your behalf?

Why is a private law suit an attack on free speech now?

In your love for everything America, you righties are usually the largest champions of suing for this kind of thing.

5 bucks says that this results in an out of court settlement, Kate coughs up some cash, the terms are kept confidential, and everyone is a sucker for donating money.

"5 bucks says"

Whoooaaa, five whole dollars! We gotta player! Don't get in over your head, stevie, you have to make that fin last until next allowance day.

Hi Kate
I didn't spend nine years in the army so the likes of Warman could turn the country into a politically correct oligarchy. Cheque's in the mail;plenty more where that came from; please advise as need arises. Don't back down; bankrupt the little p#$%k.

Well steve...speaking as a contributor, and more on the way assuming the matter proceeds further, allow me to advise you of this: What I do with MY money is MY business. It's NONE of your business. And after I have donated to Kate, what SHE does with what is now HER money is also none of your business.

Got it pal? Or do I have use words with less syllables?

Warman had better hope he wins or else he's going to pay big time to cover the legal fees of those he's dragging into Court.

A modest $30,000 per defendant = $150,000. At the high end it could be $250,000.

I hope Warman gets squashed like a bug.

Kate wrote @4:02, "We are working behind the scenes with excellent legal counsel. (And other offers to assist have come forward on that front, as well). So I think we're pretty well covered when it comes to the nuts and bolts of the legal side.

":)"

However, even if the lawyers work "pro bono", there are still many other, substantial expenses. So, don't think donations aren't needed. They are.

lookout, you are absolutely correct. Even lawyers working pro bono are not able to absorb the often onerous costs associated with discovery issues, the costs of purchasing transcripts of same, etc. Donations are very important in cases such as this.

Kate, let me know what this American can do on their blog. I have a following with Canadians that live in Oregon, and I'm willing to do what is necessary to help you out...since Richard Warman's lawsuits cannot touch people like myself, who are Americans.

Also, when I finally get stuff together, you are going to get money. Every small bit helps. And Richard Warman needs to be defeated at every turn.

Methinks Mr. Warman and his associates are about to get a big shock when they find out just how many fringe, ultra-right, neocon knuckle-draggers there are in this country...and what we can do when we're pissed off.

Kate
You deleted my post again on mischief. You missed my point again. This was a hint. You need to ask the lawyer about mischief over the use of a source of information (data). If this person has been filing frivolous actions as stated and then dropping them before being heard to interfere with you business of shareing data you all may have a problem. I would expect over the years ENDGAME will figure out a way to shut down this alternative source of information other than the controlled MSM. It has to be in the works now.

Just got back on the blogs; busy day.

I can't BELIEVE this! This is surreal. I'm not sure, however, if Warman knows what kind of Pandora's Box he's opened.

This is THE pivotal issue in Canada vis a vis freedom of speech: Conservative bloggers/National Post sued by a snot-nosed, politically correct, small-l liberal, entitled, lying, duplicitous, asshat.

'Sounds like there's a groundswell of support, which I suspect will continue to grow.

'Will be sending some financial support which, like so many others, I wish could be more substantial.

'Sorry, Kate, you're having to deal with this absolute unjust idiocy. I hope Warman gets his butt kicked real good. And I guess that that depends on us--those of us in Canada who care for freedom of expression and freedom of speech: Freedom, period.

This whole thing is scary as Hell.

will snail mail a small amount

I think that warman is laying the "weardown" game

I agree that an offence is the best defence

and to the leftist idiots, warman is trying to smuther freedom of speech using civil courts so as to not damage the HRC any further, and if he suceeds, they will be back in business as usual with warman as number one client

Liz J wrote: "Who exactly is this Warman individual really? What's his real problem?"

Well Liz, apparently Warman has in his employ an ultra-relaxed piano-playing midget, and it costs money to support a tiny, placid pianist.

On another note, rolik's comment about "uppity women" just pegged my irony meter. Dude, you are aware that Kate and Kathy are women, right?

I'll repeat my question since anyone who replied, dodged it:

"Hey Kate, weren't you advocating a little while ago that someone could try and sue Warren Kinsella for defamation on your behalf?

Why is a private law suit an attack on free speech now?"

I believe this to be a fair question. Perhaps a reasonable answer exists.

Edgar, I haven't deleted any of your posts today. Too busy writing thank you notes.

Why is a private law suit an attack on free speech now?"

I believe this to be a fair question. Perhaps a reasonable answer exists."

This isn't a "free speech" issue. It's a "truth speak" issue. Warman is claiming that the things being said about him are lies and he's trying to make the public record reflect his narcissistic view of himself. To do that he's trying to use the legal system to grind the defendants into submission.

What he doesn't understand, probably due to his tenure as an SS officer for the HRC, is that in the real world, truth is a defense when it comes to information disseminated in regards to an individual...

Steve:
I'll try not to dodge.
Here she goes...NO-ONE SUED HIM

Basically, Warman is betting that since the Bell records couldn't be found relating to the Cools post, they can't prove it was him that posted it.

Those records are the only thing linking him directly to the Cools posting.

But his tracks aren't totally covered.

Anyone have any emails from Warman the week he posted the Cools statement?

Did we not hear a defense from that fellow earlier that the IP address was spoofed? Let's think about that a moment...

If it was not him, then why is the possibility of spoofing even worth mentioning? Why not just say back then, it wasn't me, it must have been somebody else?

This is buried back in the comments from a several weeks ago.

Kate, go back and check the spoofing claims. These are damning, IMHO.

I salute Warman. Who else is more responsible for uniting the right in Canada?

Push dicky, push.

Warman is a most hate-filled villain. It's perfect that the CHRC has appointed such a despicable fascist as its public face. I am confident that they both will go down in flames together.

In the unlikely event that his lawsuits prevail, then the next step for Conservatives would be to start a blizzard of 'hate speech' complaints to the CHRC. Then let us document each complaint that they turn down so that their pattern of corruption and hypocrisy may be clearly documented.

Also I agree with the strategy of diverting all contributions from the Conservative party do-nothings to the defense of Kate et al, and the offensive counter-prosecution of lucy warman. Then let the Conservatives politicians know why their campaign contributions are drying up and force them to locate their spines.

We also need to have an international demonstration for free speech and rage at the prosecution of our favorite bloggers. That is something even the MSM would have to notice. If not, then blogger-reporters could post pictures and details of the event.

Kate is fighting for free speech on our behalf. We must return the favor with our money. Loads.

"Hey NO GUFF
Can I copy your missive and send it to PMSH"

Well, you could.... but then he'd have gotten it twice! Better you should send him a message in your own words. And remember, you can send it 'stamp free'.

If you're a Conservative supporter, make sure you say so. If you're a contributor, tell him the tap is turned off until the matter is dealt with and that your money is going to where the need is greatest: the defence of free speech in Canada.

Even better: phone your local constituency office (esp. if it's a Conservative riding) and tell your local MP the same thing.

Ten thousand pennies (sounds more impressive like that) coming your way in a cheque, Kate.

Where did you ever find a lawyer who is not a Liberal or NDP. I tried for years to find a lawyer to do the farmers NISAclaim.net for the $1.1253 billion owing western farmers. The alleged willful omissions were numerous and the only recourse was to go after the lawyers. These lawyers made the simplest case impossible to win. Freedom of speach cannot be gained without access to justice which is the biggest issue.

This Warman guy is a PIECE OF WORK for sure. I cannot believe he's real - it's like a Kafka story.

We are 100 percent in your corner here in the USA, hon.

Give 'em hell, and we'll be happy to help, contribute, or just hold your coat if that's what it takes.

I've hit the tip jar, Kate, and will do it again. What's interesting about libel is that it assumes one's reputation has been damaged. Seems to me the comments here would be a good defence, demonstrating that as Warman's reputation is already lower than the stuff that slug snot sits on, there's just nothing to see here.

No, funz, I'm not just shi- disturbing:

One of the negative aspects of the 'net is that racists and homophobes crawl out of the shadows to air their repulsive views on sites like Small Dead Brains and Five Feet of Fugly.

In fact that's the only purpose of these sites.

I've seen hateful stuff on these sites the like of which has been rightly taboo in the mainstream for thirty years.

It's high time they were shut down. People can talk this kind of trash at home or at Klan meetings. They can't be bankrupted into non-existence soon enough.

We're fortunate enough to have Randy Kamp as our MP. Back when this started, I had a long phone conversation with him, and at his request, have been sending him links and information. I have included a lot of background, and we are emailing back and forth every few days. Judging by his comments, I believe he's putting a lot of pressure on Nicholson.

Ian

First Warman used his boots;
Now Warman tries his suits.
The boots were made for walking;
The suits stop all the talking.

I would have to guess that leftarded moonbats like rolik do not see the irony in their bigoted statements.

If I say the word "faggot", moonbats will call me a "homophobe". Yet these idiots can sterotype and cast insults as they please, and it is all "good"???

As well, there is no way in hell that you leftarded bottom feeders will ever silence us "mouth breathers".

You tried when you tagged members of the
Reform Party racist, and we only grew in numbers.

You tried when you tagged Mike Harris as a racist, and we won two majority's.

You tried when the right was united, and now we form the gov't.

Keep it up, you leftarded jerk off. We will take all the free publicity that your trough wallowing crying act produces!

Were rolik and Robert McClelland separated at birth?

I catch a whiff of sulphur every time rolik shows up, the same pervasive odour whenever McClelland makes a comment.

Or are they kissing cousins?

rolik, how do you justify trying to squelch the free speech rights of a lesbian, or am I only allowed to speak if I hold the same views as you do?

Exactly how does that add up to equal rights? At the moment, under a Conservative government, I have full equal rights in this country. The Liberals had 12 years of a majority and did not put equal rights through until forced to by the courts, so please don't try and tell me they gave me those rights.

If I visit an Islamic country and they ask me if I am a practicing lesbian, and I answer, "No, I'm not practicing, I'm damned good at it." Quite literally, my head could roll down the street.

How do you feel about schools removing _Heather has Two Mommies_ from the library because Muslims demanded it?

I am being very serious, please expound on what should be done to advance women's and gay people's rights in Islamic countries. Tell me where the protests will be over these outrageous human rights abuses and I'll join you there.

It's very important to email, snail mail, and call MP Keith Martin, PM Stephen Harper and your own MP.

Keith Martin is a Liberal and has put forth the bill to put an end to the thought crimes section of the HRC. He has taken a lot of criticism for that stand. The more support he receives, the better he will be able to resist calls from within his party to withdraw the bill.

Let's keep the momentum going. It's high time that the MPs realize that they are our employees, they work for us, we do not work for them.

I'm a mouth breather. I have no choice with both nostrils plugged up with a cold. It must be a dilemma for those who "breath normally", what do they do? Suffocate themselves for the sake of their principles?

I have a side note, Kyla, hopefully not too off-topic. I for one would be very glad to see libraries remove "Heather Has Two Mommies." All Christians should demand its removal; many have. Many Christians have started their own schools or home-school.

I am not a free-speech absolutist. I am a Christian, and therefore I have great respect for free speech (and for civil government). But there are limits, perhaps somewhat arbitrarily set, probably messily set. Any clash of cultures or religions or civilizations results in messy "solutions."

Jon, the entire point is that Christians have been told that religious sensitivities have no place in public schools. So how then can Muslim sensitivities be given priority over tolerance? Why is one religion bowed to and one religion told to sod off?

I think it is very important for teenagers to have access to books that discuss homosexuality without religious judgment. Many Christian denominations do value and in fact welcome homosexuals who are not celibate. Since there is an extremely high suicide rate among gay teenagers, resources need to be available for a kid to seek out privately.

Having books for little kids, that's not necessary, in my opinion. I have no problem with them being on the shelf. I would not want them to be required reading.

I grew up in a family that would have considered it completely acceptable to kill a gay person, even me. I understand the pressure some of these kids go through. It must be exponentially harder for gay Muslim kids.

The beautiful part of this is: we are proving rolik and his/her ilk to be wrong. We are having a civilized discussion from different viewpoints, right here on Small Dead Animals, in front of God and everybody.

And might I add, I've been out of the closet on this site from the beginning and have never been attacked or ridiculed here.

This is a petty and pathetic lawsuit and you have my prayers and support. I've put up a blog entry on my site about this and encourage everyone else - left or right - to do so, spread the word, and if you can afford it to help these bloggers out with their legal defense.

No matter what your political perspective, this kind of tyranny and attempt to silence dissent should be repellent to you.

Kyla

You are not alone. Tammy Bruce is also openly gay and has no problem being accepted by Conservatives. She was at one time a radical feminist in the N.O.W orginization.

Kyla

You are not alone. Tammy Bruce is also openly gay and has no problem being accepted by Conservatives. She was at one time a radical feminist in the N.O.W orginization.

First the libel chill, then he'll be burning books and demanding political re-education centers be set up.

Nobody does mono thinking one party states like socialists.

Warman is a clear and present threat to freedom and democracy in Canada.

Recall that this is a guy who sued a public library to get a book off their shelves.

The BC government had to introduce a new law to prevent it from happening in the future.

"... a free range idiot." LOL, I love it. (see Update Testimonial)

The way to fight is to realize that MP's are primarily concerned with re-election. Even tho many are psychopaths, they do understand the necessity of votes. If everyone phon ed their constituency office and said no way a next time vote unless this massive stupidity of a HRC is abolished, the tide would tlurn. Latimer is free and probably because too many MP's were getting hit by constituents. Lets pho0 ne our MP offices- and write also- and demand our party- whoomever- take action NOW and eliminate the Human ARights Commissions.

Kate,

I know we've never "formally" talked, but I wanted you to know that I completely and utterly support you in this witch hunt against free speech. Having 2 kids, a mortgage and 1 more on the way, I'm a little stretched right now, but if I can scrape anything together, I'll do what I can. I really hope you're able to blast this guy and defend yourself. Never before has freedom of speech been so attacked. I'm in your corner.

Chris (aka - DBT, aka - Trusty Tory)

I actually had a cheque signed and ready to be sent to the Conservative Party (responding to a fundraising letter), when this broke yesterday. Kate, I am ripping up that cheque and sending you the $$ instead. And sending a note to my MP telling him why.

You're the first blog I check every a.m. after I drop the kids off at school and grab a coffee. Common sense to start my day. There's no way we can let this Warman creature win this.

[deleted - Ed]

I'm on Vancouver Island in a strong NDP constituency, so strong that there's no point in supporting the local Conservative candidate financially. I was going to send money to the federal Conservatives, but I think the suggestion of giving the $ to Kate and Ezra is an excellent one. I've already sent small sums to both, and will do more, if the Cons. don't take action...

Is it safe to assume that your cheque will bounce sarge?

Sometimes those who start wars live to regret it. Looks like "Warman" is living up to his name.

We must fight this crap to the ground otherwise where will it end?

I have started a phone and e-mail campaign to my MP, PMSH, Rob Nicholson, Justice MP, etc. (I am encouraging all of you to spread the word.) They seem to be unaware of what is going on in th CHRC these days

As a "significant donor" to the Conservative Party, I have just called them and had my name removed from their call list. Not enough people have called, as they seemed unfazed when I explained my reason for withdrawing funding.

If this campaign to support Kate and free speech in Canada is to be effective, you must hit the Conservative Party where it hurts.

Let's give Richard Warman some of his own medicine!

Warman will be infamous. I am sure that someone will eventually write the Warman Chronicles, highlighting the era as a low point in Canadian history. Who knows, an entire new branch of libel and HRC reforms may be dedicated to him. Reforms that would restore (or guarantee) the freedom of libraries, internet, blogs, expression, religion, small business from PC prosecution. What Canada really needs is a commission to protect the citizens from an abusive government by offering free prosecution of agencies like the HRC and Revenue Canada.

An "offensive" office door belonging to a conservative university professor provides yet another example of the left's ongoing campaign to marginalize conservative opinion, even in that crazy country said to value free speech.

That's really what this is all about and the comments of "progressives," "activists," and "modern-day Machiavellis" should be read with that in mind.

MP e-mail contact list:

http://www.yayacanada.com/MPs.html

Remind the Liberal MPs that one of their own, Keith Martin, has already taken a stand with his motion:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/007943.html

This is exactly what Warman's maximum "Maximum Disruption" mantra is all about. Even if he loses this case, he wins by making all these bloggers waste their time and money.

This is exactly what Warman's "Maximum Disruption" mantra is all about. Even if he loses this case, he wins by making all these bloggers waste their time and money.

Since Section 13.1 makes it a "crime" to expose others to hate or humiliation, why don't you counter-sue Warman for double or triple the amount that he's suing you for? I think that it is pretty clear that he has used the telephone or internet to say vile things about you.

Good luck!

It's and International Breakout !
USS Neverdock

Why are you guys wasting time with your MP's and the like? This is not a CHRC case -- it's a libel case filed in the Ontario courts. Your MP's and the Conservative Party can't do much other than wish you well from the sidelines.

Don't confuse two separate issues here.

Remember William Lyon Mackenzie and the Upper Canada Rebellion. There's a new Family Compact now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyon_Mackenzie

It's my understanding that criminal behaviour is comprised of at least some of the following characteristics...

(1) failure to conform to social norms
(2) deceitfulness, manipulativeness
(3) impulsivity, failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability, aggressiveness
(5) reckless disregard for the safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility
(7) lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen
from another person or group (lack of shame)

Criminal behaviour is often accompanied by a grandiose sense of self-worth. Possibly compelling at first, but upon closer inspection, outright laughable.

Now, because Kate is the Great Kate, and certain folks feel intimidated, one needs to put on less than rosy coloured glasses. So, according to my anagram software, there is out there "Raw Rancid Harm" -- you can have the fun to decrypt it yourself. 1 second? 2 seconds?

And so, the parable here is that there is no need to be specially overt. There is no need to laugh along with subtle, offending ignorance, say like on the Cichael Moron show. Yes, the truth does freedom make, but more often it is not so bright as to be blinding (Emily Dickinson).

Evil is sly, evil is shrewd. But Truth wins in the end because evil eats itself with its criminal behaviour.

I am wondering if there would be any benefit in urging our MPs to demand a Parliamentary Inquiry into malfeasance by present and former members of the CHRC? A committee with sufficiently wide scope to revisit old CHRC cases to determine if they were handled in an ethical manner and if the outcome was in the best interests of the public at large.

letter to Stockwell Day

Dear Mr. Day;

I have been following recent events involving the CHRC (as well as Provincial HRC’s) closely and am disturbed by this body’s blatant infringement on the basic rights of Canadians, as outlined within our Charter. Of particular concern is the lack of transparency, due process, and the use of entrapment to generate “business” for the Commission.

As a CPC supporter and voter, I am mystified by your party’s low profile on this extremely important issue for Canadians. I appreciate the fact that the Conservative Party has a minority position at this time and needs to be cautious in what issues to take a strong stand on. I assume, however, that your pollsters have made you aware of the groundswell of negative public opinion about the CHRC, and am therefore at a loss to explain the current government’s inaction on this matter.

Please be advised that contributions which were earmarked for the CPC this year have been forwarded to individuals (media/bloggers) in support of their legal defence against a corrupt, useless bureaucracy. I intend to follow closely how the CPC handles this matter in the months ahead, and will vote accordingly.

PS Kate, cheque is on the way!

Kyla: "I grew up in a family that would have considered it completely acceptable to kill a gay person, even me."

Wow. You must have grown up in some crazy, disfunctional family, Kyla. I can't imagine any family whose hatred of 'gayness' exceeds that of intrinsic love of their own child.

As a conservative, I continue to accept and even love those of an alternate lifestyle, despite the fact I find it 'abnormal' to the natural design of evolution and behavior.

BTW, Neil Thompson is sadly mistaken regarding telling Conservative MP's that they'll lose votes if they don't respond to this issue. MP's realize that conservatives don't abstain from voting and given that fact, whom else could they possibly vote for? Esp. with the possibility of a majority gov't looming?

Money talks. If the Conservatived party understands that funds will be withheld if they don't speak out, they're more likely to pay attention. Understand human nature.

This is exactly what Warman's maximum "Maximum Disruption" mantra is all about. Even if he loses this case, he wins by making all these bloggers waste their time and money.
Posted by: jonk at April 10, 2008 12:35 PM
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Actually, Jonk, I disagree. Quite the opposite. By seeing how many people unite against him, and how relatively easy it is to come up with the funds to fight him, people like Warman may come to the conclusion that all they have accomplished is to unite their enemies in common cause. The hollowness of the threat of a lawsuit is revealed, and the bloggosphere is a safer place.

The leftofascists are constantly making legal threats, whether libel or HRC. Ezra Levant called them up on the HRC threat, and they folded like cheap suits. The HRC are under attack like never in their history. Now let's deal with a lawsuit threat, and get that out in the open.

This battle has to be fought, and these are opportune times. We have strong leaders in the conservative blogosphere, and the visibility of these issues is high due to the spectacular success Ezra Levant has had in showing that our free speech is under attack. This is part of that battle.

"United we stand, divided.....". You know.

The erosion of our rights in the past generation has occurred in stealth, through committees meeting while the rest of Canada worked and lived and paid no attention. This type of lawsuit is exactly the thing need to altert people in government and in the public that free speech is really under threat. No matter what comes of the suit, it can't be worse than the massive erosion of freedom that has already occurred under the radar, and which we are now fighting to reverse.

Oh, and I definitely agree with some of the posters here that the role of the government in this type of situation is minimal.

This is a legal matter, not a policy or parliamentary issue. Unless we want the CPC to open up the constitution, I don't really see what they have to offer.

May I suggest...that we all send $1000.00 donations by cheque to our local MPs...what the heck send it to as many as you want... BUT be sure call your Bank and STOP YOUR cheuque!

Also be sure to write on the memo line on your cheuque Small Dead Animals/Ezra/ Freedominion

Money talks!!!

Lori, the HRC operate at the pleasure of the government. They could change and restrict their mandate or abolish them completely!!!

I wonder if a demonstration at HRC headquarters would be in order? Might as well let the local public know where the slime is.

And what about benefit events? I have a few items that I might be willing to auction off for the cause (artwork, books, etc.)

All Conservative MP's are aware of not only the issue, but this particular thread.

I've got a 'distribution list' of all MP's on my Outlook and sent them my own message, with a link to SDA and this thread in particular.

So they'll have seen the number of supporters who have 're-directed' their money to Kate, Ezra, Kathy, et al.

The pen, when directed at the cheque book, IS mightier than the sword! My cheque is literally in the mail, and I sit on a Conservative Party EDA.

Lori, the HRC operate at the pleasure of the government. They could change and restrict their mandate or abolish them completely!!!
Posted by: ivbinconned at April 10, 2008 1:50 PM

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yes ivbinconned, but the case in question is not an HRC case. This is a real court libel case. One citizen suing others. The fact that he worked for the HRC in the past is immaterial to the case. The government can't, and should not, interfere.

The government can't, and should not, interfere.

Add 'must not' to that. Government interference in judicial matters is not where we want to go.

Laws allow for a private citizen to bring suit and Warman, no matter what we think of him, is perfectly entitled to bring this action. Whether it has merit is another matter entirely and one that will, and must be, decided according to law.

Warman and the HRCs are under fire for not following laws, rules and procedures. We, who are right in this mess, must insist on all parties following the rule of law and that includes the government.

Write your MP, by all means, but keep the complaints to the HRCs, not this suit.

If in fact he did write the Cools post, this could be his
Oscar Wilde moment.

For those who say that this is a lawsuit matter and not a CHRC thing and not to bother the CPC about it, remember the easiest way to stop Warman is to get him fired or reassigned. A shake-up or breakup of the CHRC will be an effective way to deal with this slimy puke.
More pressure on the CPC will help and the anti-donation idea is an excellent way to go.

Kate,

Cheque in the mail. Keep um coming.

remember the easiest way to stop Warman is to get him fired or reassigned
______________________________________

NO. WRONG! He is not suing on behalf of the HRC. He is not even working for the HRC any more.

This would be using the slimy tactics of our enemies. And, it would not defeat his ideas or approach or ideology. He can sue bloggers whether he has a job or not.

We have to win in the court of public opinion as well as in a real court. We have to set a precedent. Squeezing the guy through his employer is not a precedent we want to set.

We have to be better than they are.

Kate; My Pay Pal donation is done. Wish it could be more but as the need arises, there will be more to follow, I support you 100%. Your blog is the first thing I read in the morning and last at night too! I have been reading your site before you had reached 1 million hits.
You offer us freedom of though and speech, unlike the censorship of TV and newspaper sites. This is one of the most important issues to Canadians today. I think Warman has taken on the wrong LADY!
Stockwells office is always calling looking for donations, my answer will be: Sorry, I have already donated to Kate and the SDA legal fund. Mr. Day's office will get a copy of this.

I was able to slip you some Paypal bucks, Kate, since;
a) Got my tax refund today.
b) Despise what HRCs are doing to Human Rights.
c) Have to find a better place to send money than the CPC.
d) This is one of the few sites I visit daily.
e) The motorcycle maintenance pose makes me weak.

"We have to be better than they are."

To a point yes...but that is what many in history have said as they were led away to slaughter!

I think there is nothing wwrong with using the same tools they use.

Send and then stop, those cheuques!!!

Actions speak louder than words.

My check goes out today via snail mail and is probably the best $100 spent for a while now.

Even the preliminaries of this Warman issue are going to be costly - it is not like an HRC claim that is made and then can be retracted when the going gets tough with virtually no penalty.

The best way to deal with Warman is to have a huge judgment laid on him in civil court. If the DND is dumb enough to have/keep this guy on the payroll, not likely much will change there anyway - something to do with the CYA theory by not admitting to a rotten hiring by a firing.

When these issues erupt in civil court, surely the MSM will no longer be able to ignore them as they have been. Next will be the HRCs/HRTs themselves, and they know it.

Maybe Stephen Harper will help you once his libel case against the Liberals is finished.

My what short memories you hypocrites have.

STOP and think
This is an important battle but it is still only a part of a much larger struggle.
Be carefull that you don't get ambushed
Try to look at this and think strategically.

Who can benefit if conservatives withdraw support from the CPC.
Remember- PMSH is up to his armpits with these liberal appointed bureaucrats.
This has to be scutinized from every concievable angle.

One of the negative aspects of the 'net is that racists and homophobes crawl out of the shadows to air their repulsive views on sites like Small Dead Brains and Five Feet of Fugly. In fact that's the only purpose of these sites. I've seen hateful stuff on these sites the like of which has been rightly taboo in the mainstream for thirty years. It's high time they were shut down. People can talk this kind of trash at home or at Klan meetings. They can't be bankrupted into non-existence soon enough.
-rolik (kinsella sock-puppet perhaps?)

Golly this time you forgot misogynist like in your last comment (on a woman's site yet, genius).

rolik, how do you justify trying to squelch the free speech rights of a lesbian, or am I only allowed to speak if I hold the same views as you do?
...
If I visit an Islamic country ... Quite literally, my head could roll down the street.
...
I am being very serious, please expound on what should be done to advance women's and gay people's rights in Islamic countries. Tell me where the protests will be over these outrageous human rights abuses and I'll join you there.

[rolik: crickets chirping]

The beautiful part of this is: we are proving rolik and his/her ilk to be wrong.

We are having a civilized discussion from different viewpoints, right here on Small Dead Animals, in front of God and everybody.

And might I add, I've been out of the closet on this site from the beginning and have never been attacked or ridiculed here.
-Kyla

So homophobes, racists, and misogynists eh rolik? Are you feeling kinda stoopid yet, rolik ya drooling moron? Naaah.

Pressuring Islamists to reform fundamental Islam is the new civil rights movement and it is being led by Conservatives.

Execrable censors like rolik, warman and kinsella will fight this new civil rights movement just like wallace and his Democrat goons stood in front of the school house doors, to block the little black girl in Selma, a couple of generations ago.

Do you libs think that freedom of speech is only a right of [il-]liberals like you? How long do you think your right to spout your warped world view will last once shariah is implemented?

Get a clue: Freedom of speech is meaningless unless it is available to all viewpoints.

Here's another clue: rolik's idiocy is welcome on Conservative websites like Kate's, yet every single comment from a Conservative is deleted on lib sites like kinsella's. What d'ya suppose the lesson is there, rolik ya cretin? Could it be that today's Conservatives are the true "liberals" and Libs like you are actually today's fascist elites?

Thanks rolik, for proving once again that:

Liberals are either insane, dishonest, intellectually lazy, or some combination.
-Freedom Fan

Mr. Warman, please call your office:
Try Googling: "warman askhole" and you'll get ya 3100 hits. Duuuuuohhhhoooooo!The CHRC will be busy tonight!

orvict - Agree 100%.

PMSH is fighting too, in the ways that he can, and should, and in ways that will have more impact than anything we can do here.

Would we be better off with a Dion minority supported by Layton?

Seriously, we need to be talking about free speech, not bashing the CPC at a time when it is doing better than anyone would have dared predict 1, 2 3, 5, or 10 years ago.

There are two issues we are fighting:

1. Legal issue- Warman vs bloggers

2. CHRC- abuses of this gov't-funded agency

Therefore, what commenters are doing is exactly what is required. The Conservative Gov't can change the mandate of the CHRC and put an end to Richard Warman, serial litigant extraordinaire.

What is absolutley disgusting is that Warman is abusing a Federal Agency, funded with our tax dollars, to sue fellow taxpayers.

Warman is a one-man progressive wrecking crew. Be damned if he will get his way without a fight!!!

Red Rory o' the Glen?

"Send oop y'r bes' mon!"

See if you can spot what this fascist conveniently left out:

"Human rights are more important than anything-goes free speech"

Maxwell Yalden, National Post Published: Thursday, April 10, 2008

I wonder if it isn't time for the National Post to cool its attacks on the Canadian Human Rights Commission ("The CHRC Doesn't Get it," editorial, April 8). Ask yourselves whether maybe, just maybe, it isn't the Post that "doesn't get it." Try to take a look at the facts from a different perspective.

At the international level, the premier United Nations human rights treaty, the Covenant on Civil and Political rights, to which more than 150 countries, including Canada, are parties, asserts quite explicitly that " advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred … shall be prohibited by law." For more than 30 years, the judgments of the UN's Human Rights Committee have been accepted worldwide.

The Canadian Human Rights Act, with its Section 13 forbidding material that exposes individuals to "hatred or contempt" on racial or religious grounds, simply follows these global standards. It also follows plain common sense.

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Given the fascist left out, "that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt" - his whole argument is not only moot it is a deliberate lie.

Also, given the UN's approved bill to make it illegal to criticize Islam, it is hardly a credible source of support.

"Maxwell Yalden is a former Canadian Human Rights Commissioner and member of the UN Human Rights Committee."

That explains it.

Freedom Fan,

Your points are entirely wasted. Rolik is not the brightest cookie. He doesn't understand anything you say. He's limited to regurgitating whatever slogan he was taught to repeat in school (i.e. he yells "racist" at you when race was not mentioned. He calls women "misogynist" because he's too stupid to know what the term means.)

He's the quintessential embodiment of the term leftard. He doesn't even comprehend the consequences of the society he advocates.

I'd say he's a troll but he doesn't even reach that level of self-awareness.

Gypsy: Thanks for your points, they assisted me with my email to Stockwell Day's office. Short, sweet, to the point. Mr. Day's office has been notified that they will not be receiving anything from me this year as it will all go to Kate's legal fund. Go get'em Kate!

Ulianov said: "Maybe Stephen Harper will help you once his libel case against the Liberals is finished...My what short memories you hypocrites have."

You can't be that stupid. What an infantile argument. Each case you referred can be evaulated on their own merits, not some absolutist argument for or against libel suits generally. The argument here is that some suits have merit, some do not, and some people use courts to try to intimidate and shut people up; kind of like you calling people hypocrites because you don't happen to agree with them.

Evaluate the issues in each of the suits; they are nowhere near the same. Now put your thumb back in your mouth.

Lori,orvict, Gypsy and many others are exactly right this is a fight for freedom of speech. Also many others on here are stating that they are informing their Conservative MP's that they are donating to a fight & not to the CPC this year. The Prime Minister & the conservative parties mandate was "Stand Up For Canada", Well this is also exactly what Kate,Kathy & Ezra, Free Dominion have been doing only to have an attempt now to silence them Much like the Conservatives have everyday within the HOC & out(MSM). This is a tremendous uphill battle that we can win to put a stop to the everyday Propoganda machine that has been waged against all conservative thinkers, Conservative's that want to put an end to the Socialist Trudueapian's who have brought this country danderously close to a total collapse. Dangerously close to a society of Complete Socialism that would never allow you to have the ability to say:

Until this moment i have been forced to listen while Media & Politicians alike have told me "What Canadians Think", In all that time they never Once asked.
this is just the voice of an Ordinary Canadian yelling back at the radio,
"You don't speak for Me"
Kate McMillan.

So we need to support all of those who are under fire, We can do this as Every little bit helps when we band together, we can make it a mighty amount & most of important we can make it a Mighty Voice saying we will not be Silenced. So while we help Kate & the other's let's not forget our Prime Minister & the Conservatives for their part in this battle to Take Back Canada.

Kate, i wish you all the best in the coming month's I have been a faithfull reader & contributor for 3or4yrs, Now i know i may not be the best at putting my thoughts to words as some on here do but i do best to Voice my opinion & i have never been put down by you or harshly critiqued by others as we share a common cause. Kate I will also be sending you what i can to do my part to help out & i will still send what i can to the Conservatives also as i feel we Do have another Battle coming sometime this year.
Stand Up For Canada, Stand up for Kate & All that Believe in Freedom of Speech

Kate,
I leave the computer for a couple of weeks, and all hell breaks loose.

A check will go out to you in todays' mail.

I've been reading these comments for about two days now. I'm confused and need to be educated on just what the issues are.
Namely- Is this action filed with the CHRC or OHRC or is it an action filed in a court of competent jurisdiction?
If so, where was it filed and where is the venue to hear the action.
Who is/are the complainant(s) and who are the Respondents?
Are each of the respondents being sued for 10K each or are the five respondents being sued jointly and severally for 50K?
Will the action be joint against all Respondents or will each Respondent have a separate hearing?
I don't want to bore everyone with these details but it really is important to understand the rules of the game.
Can anyone give me some direction on this?

Warmen is a Wanker.

Go ahead, sue me, wanker. You'll have to prove you don't masterbate, physically, that is what I'm refering to. We all know your intellectual habits.

Ezra mentions in his statement that Warman is suing for only $50,000 in an alleged attempt to circumvent discovery.

Surely, there must be a way to countersue him for an amount that triggers discovery

Well, how about getting a judge to make this some sort of a class action? I

Namely- Is this action filed with the CHRC or OHRC or is it an action filed in a court of competent jurisdiction?

It's with a court of competent jurisdiction. It's a civil defamation suit.

If so, where was it filed and where is the venue to hear the action.

Filed in Ontario, venue is likely toronto.

Who is/are the complainant(s) and who are the Respondents?

The complainant is Richard Warman. The defendants are Connie and Mark Fournier, Kate, Kathy Shaidle, Johnathon Kay and their respective publications

Are each of the respondents being sued for 10K each or are the five respondents being sued jointly and severally for 50K?

Jointly and severally...

Will the action be joint against all Respondents or will each Respondent have a separate hearing?

Unknown at this point I think...

Hope that helps!

Like every one else on your blog, I am shocked at what is going on inside the HRC's and the actions of Warman. My money is in the mail and pledge more support to fight the good fight.
Marion Kostynuk
Rocky Mtn. House, Alberta

This is the equivalent of a cultural nuke going off.

If the Conservatives do nothing this will prove they are witless of the web base as one foundation in there support, & no better than the Liberals when it comes to individual freedoms. Especially the freedom of expression. Indeed they supplied lawyers for the HRC inquisition when it was finally questioned itself.

I too will not be giving them my usual contribution. they will go to Kate & the other brave souls fighting this indignation. TO People who actually may cause change for the better. Not fence sitters , like where is the Justice Minister in in this a long time ago be fore this ever became the cancer it is? Nor reigned in this Personage who has made like an elk rutting in a glass factory look quiaint. A political bomb has gone off while government sleeps. The MSM will cover this up with a few exceptions . We will have been held in international ridicule on the internet as a Nation of wimps.

That a chill has been set over some to stop sites is abominable & SHOULD BE CRIMINAL. I hope major real legal action will be taken against the perpetrator of this carnival of absurdities. An insult to the left & right, for when they are done with us center to right blogs, do the left think their blogs are safe? These wolves will descend down on them as well for doctrinal purity.

This whole affair makes me ill. This is a black day for Canada . In fact this is not Canada anymore. I used to watch these things in a place called the Soviet Union. We all know how that is ending. Don't think the world is not watching as well. So are our enemies chortling away as our freedoms drip away by a well used shill for hire, while our elected officials do nothing but allow this perversion & individual to play out their sick delusions with our own money. With these inquisitions we may as well cut our own throats. To allow an individual this much latitude to control others is cowardice by our Judicial leaders as well as elected.

This grab at control of our rights to be free
humans with individual expression dies here or now. Canada will soon fade as has so many societies that gave up the right to live free lives or share ideals no matter how misguided. Or enjoy access to information not controlled by would be self censors or government thought police. How else can truth or even sanity be weighed if all channels of information are controlled by ones only deemed orthodox while any others are cut away from consideration towards social consensus.

This is the real deal folks. Now or never. Do you really think the US is allow a hostile anti democratic Nation on the roof of their barn? Do you think the West will stay in a Country now become a new North Korea? What next a demand for blocking TV, radio or internet signals from anywhere but Ottawa?

Revanant Dream,

We will have been held in international ridicule on the internet as a Nation of wimps.

Hey, where do you think I come from?

Revnant Dream; I agree with you 100%.... well said, the media in Canada is already very tightly controlled and the Warman issue cannot be taken lightly - there is a chill in the air

I wonder how deeply involved Kinsella is in this action. After all, he's part of the CJC, as is Warman. And Kinsella is viciously, irrationally anti-Kate. And anti-Kathy Shaidle. And anti-Ezra. Oh, and also, anti-National Post (Jonathan Kay).

I wonder how deeply involved Kinsella is in this whole thing...

Thought you might find this amusing:

"Pie-throwing is not, on a scale of one to ten, much of an assault..."
- Dr Dawg

http://chrisvanoostveen.blogspot.com/2008/04/attention-warren-kinsella-lawyer.html

There is an interesting site( google) ENDGAME that plays into a number of issues from
controlling the media, contaminated blood, the low dollar in prior years and control of our
resources, low interest rates and money put into mutual funds only to have the Ceo's remove
it with paper dividends and little recovery. Falsifying co. financials by large accounting firms. Enviro taxes. All to get at your money. The working senior poor. No quality control on products. I can go on and on. This may be why the Liberals are so desperate to be back in power.

Hey freedom Fries...

Who knows what type of self-loathing causes Kyla to come here and make nice with those that despise her? (Kate after all, considers hier orientation to be 'chosen' behaviour). Maybe it's something like Andrew Sullivan, the right-wing gay guy in the States who tries, or tried, to curry favour with those who fermented homophobia to win elections.

Doubtless, she's another converva-chump who thinks she's gonna get the big bucks so she tries to make nice with the 'big boys' in hopes they accept her as their best friend forever.

I also have no idea why Kyla references the Islamic perspective on homosexuality since that has nothing to do with what we'e been discussing. Fact is, though, the folks at this site and across the spectrum of conservatism have a lot in common with the mullahs who disapprove of homosexuality, for they regard it as a 'choice', or 'lifestyle' which USUALLy leads to major health problems (as was recently argued on this site) - or how about the chump above who dispproves of kid's books like 'Heather Has Two Mommies' because it's 'unnatural' etc. etc., ad nauseum. There's some acceptance there for ya!

You'll note, Freedom Fries, I've had no need to call you a cretin, a drooling moron or any other of the epithets you've launched at me. Because the facts are all I need to hand you your ass.

It never fails to amaze me how some people can inflict a punishment on others merely by using the legal system.You can be right and vindicated but it will still financially ruin you. This dipstick is a real piece of work that gives lawyers a bad name.

Kate you have my paypal donation and I can send more if it comes to that but I hope that someone will realize what a can of worms he has opened and grow a set and admit he is wrong and an asshole (but I doubt it).

Here's an important, related op-ed at the National Post on April 9th:
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Conduct unbecoming a free society

CHRIS KEMPLING
National Post, April 9, 2008 kempling@telus.net

On the first day of the counselling psychology class, the instructor asked us to share what was the most important fact about ourselves. Jim (not his real name) identified himself as gay. I identified myself as a Christian. I decided to befriend him and we went through the two year program together. I even stayed overnight at his house when we had a weekend seminar in his town.

Fast forward to the present. I encouraged my high school aged son, a social leader, to befriend gay classmates, protect them if they were bullied and invite them over if he wished. He did (and was harassed for doing so). After graduation, his friend “Andy” moved away, but stayed overnight at our house on two occasions when back in town visiting.

I mention these anecdotes, because some people are convinced that I am “homophobic.” They believe this because I publicly express opinions consistent with socially conservative views of sexual behaviour. I have been suspended, without pay, twice from my job as a school teacher — once for one month, and once for three months. It was hard on my family. Yet I maintain that people can hold, and express such views but still treat those who practise different values with decency. I do, and so does my son.

The British Columbia College of Teachers won a court decision against me in 2006 for “conduct unbecoming a member.” The reason: Between 1997 and 2000, I wrote several letters to newspapers, outlining research data related to homosexual behaviour, and what position major world religions take on the matter. There was a vigorous exchange of views on the editorial pages of my local newspaper, the Quesnel Cariboo Observer. I had thought that was the place where people are free to debate the issues of the day.

The College of Teachers, and my employer, the Quesnel School District, believe that my published opinions had the potential to “poison the atmosphere” in my school. I provided letters from five school administrators which said that my letters had no impact whatsoever on the school atmosphere, but they were ignored.

The college’s lawyer stated categorically that “everything you have written, in its entirety, is derogatory and discriminatory.” I continue to find that a bewildering statement, because I was quoting peer-reviewed research data, including research done by investigators who are homosexual themselves. Furthermore, I have never had a human rights complaint laid against me.

In fact, all sides agreed that there was no negative impact in my school. No parent, student or homosexual person complained to the college or my employer about my letters. I never raised the issue in my classroom or with students with whom I worked. I have even received two letters of commendation from my principals for my work with sexual minority students. Nevertheless, the courts ruled that no “evidence of harm” is required to discipline a member. Having wrong opinions is sufficient reason to deny a worker his paycheque for four months.

One would think that the B.C. Civil Liberties Association might be concerned about this attack on free speech. On the contrary, they were granted leave to intervene against me on the side of the College of Teachers.

On Jan. 28 of this year, the college issued a new citation of “conduct unbecoming,” with 12 new offenses for items written between 2003 and 2005. Once again, no evidence of “harm” was alleged, and in fact, there isn’t even a complainant.

My offenses include signing two letters to the editor as “the local representative of the Christian Heritage Party.” This is true. I did run as a candidate in the last federal election for the CHP, and came in fifth out of eight candidates. I wrote the letters in question, after the national leader of the CHP asked me to be the candidate. In my role as CHP spokesperson for my riding, I outlined the party’s position on the nationally debated issue of same-sex marriage. If a teacher can be sanctioned for letting the public know what his party’s position is on matters of national debate, does this not make Section 3 of the Charter of Rights and Freedom meaningless?

Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin of the Supreme Court of Canada, writing in the Figueroa decision stated: “Section 3 should be understood with reference to the right of each citizen to play a meaningful role in the electoral process … Full political debate ensures an open society benefiting from diverse opinions … Marginal or regional parties tend to raise issues not adopted by national parties.”

The possibility that a political candidate may be sanctioned for representing his political party is alarming to say the least. I think citizens of a free democracy need to be able to join and speak for the party of their choice, notwithstanding their occupation.

I have also been censured for writing an essay on the philosophical differences between social liberals and social conservatives, and for discussing the therapy services of my private Christian counselling practice, in a CBC radio interview.

Frankly, I find it disconcerting that my professional body wishes to sanction me for my political involvement, for conduct in a completely different profession servicing my own faith community and for opinions published in other provinces or countries. This action has potentially alarming consequences, not only for Canadian teachers, but for all regulated professions (social workers, psychologists, nurses, etc.), for whom such cases end up establishing legal precedents.

I refuse to be marginalized as a second-class citizen, simply because I publicly state social conservative opinions or represent a “fringe” political party. And I don’t think publicly espousing the Christian worldview should be prohibited for public school teachers. If I don’t have free speech, or freedom of political association, then no Canadian does.
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I sent this op-ed to a friend on the left who I thought would have some sympathy. No go. My reply:
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Thanks, I appreciate your response, though I disagree with the logic. If we have certain human rights—the Charter says we do—then all of us should have them: that’s called the rule of law. Once rights are selectively meted out, that’s arbitrary and totalitarian, e.g., radical Muslims say incredibly horrible things about gays, and some would even kill them, which neither Chris Kempling nor I would contemplate. (Activist gays say horrendous things about observant Christians.) However, we’re persecuted for exercising our free speech rights, while Muslims and gays—now, there’s irony for you!—are given a free pass. I think all law abiding Canadian citizens should be very concerned that only certain groups of citizens are harassed and punished for saying controversial things, while others appear to have carte blanche.

Of course, life isn’t fair, but there are principles that are so important for all of us—“First, they came for . . . ”, Pastor Martin Neimoeller about Nazi Germany—I believe that fair minded Canadians should be concerned when they see fellow, law abiding citizens being scape goated.

And, yes, people who stand up to institutional injustice are quite likely to pay for that. But to suggest that they deserve to be punished is something else altogether. Changes to the status quo are usually dangerous for those of principle who “speak truth to power”, but I’d hope that fair minded fellow citizens would be concerned about hypocrisy and injustice in high places. Lots of Canadians won’t be, but that’s no credit to them. Nor should it be discredit to those who seek justice.
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So, looking on the bright side: after decades of observant Christians fighting this battle almost single handedly, it's really nice to have some reinforcements. Welcome to the club!

I've just sent a post, now caught in the filter.

I included Canadian teacher, Chris Kempling's, fine op-ed piece in the National Post on April 9th, detailing the substantial harassment and punishment he's received for expressing his conservative views.

I also included my response to a friend who thinks Mr. Kempling's asking for it. (I'd thought my friend would be more fair minded.)

Then, as an observant Christian, who's self-censored my opinions for a long time, I said how pleased I was to have reinforcements: sort of like when Gandalf arrived at Helm's Deep.

All you, who now feel "the breath of the beast", welcome to the club!

rolik, people here are free to have any opinion they wish about homosexuality. It is not my job to change their minds. If they choose to change their minds themselves after knowing me (and historically that has been the case many times) then that's a great thing. If they don't, so what? People from this blog are not stalking me and trying to interfere with my life in any way.

Myself, I am an independent, free thinker. The natural choice for me is to align with people who judge you on the value you add, not your connections. What value do you add?

Anyone can raise themselves up and do well in a free society, and no one can in a society that is not free. If all you see are glass ceilings and excuses for failure, then ask Oprah Winfrey how it is possible that she is the most powerful person on the planet.

I do not believe that Canada wants to become a nation of victims. If one has a salient point then one is never afraid of debate with those whom one disagrees. If you cannot string a logical argument together, then I suppose your only recourse is to try and silence the other side.

Rolik
There are some 200 plus comments on this thread. I've been thru pretty much most of them and I have not seen a single one that 'despises' Kyla - OTHER THAN YOU. If there were I would take deep exception to them just I do take exception to your slurs.

I have a stepbrother about 45 years old -never once in my life have I seen him with a girl. He's never said anything and neither have we.

His Father, one of the most devout Christians I've ever met loves him dearly. Scripture condemns homosexuality and my family wouldn't condon it - but we would never turn our backs on him.

And Kyla if your reading this don't let the Roliks of the world bum you out - I'm really glad to see you here at SDA!

Kyla, your words are wise and charitable. Thank you.

Kyla, you have my vote too! Well said.

Yet more interest and support.

Kyla - I'm happy to have you here at SDA.

Sorry to disappoint you Rolik, what brings most people together at SDA is a love for freedom and contempt and loathing towards those who wish to control us. we are adults , we can make our own decision, and we can live with the consequences of those decisions.

Why don't you run along and play with the other sheeple at Dawg's or Kinsella's site. You all can sniff each other's asses and tell each other how great you smell.

Kyla's courageous defense of her political views reminds me of a Toronto lesbian who wore an "I Support Stephen Harper" shirt in the 2006 Pride parade. If Kyla is the same person, then to me she is by an order of magnitude braver than I.

Rolik: "I also have no idea why Kyla references the Islamic perspective on homosexuality since that has nothing to do with what we'e been discussing."

That's because Rolik is playing checkers while the rest of us are playing chess. It is we conservatives who would do whatever is necessary to defend Kayla's right to her sexual identity against those who would, were it possible, deprive her of her life.

I ACCEPT the sexual orientation of others, but that doesn't mean I have to provide my unequivocable blessing or approval.... which is what people like Rolik/Warman et al feel they have a right to demand from me on behalf of others.

Rolik believes that for the Kylas of the world, a conservative Christian is a greater danger than an Islamic fundamentalist.

It's a mental disorder.

It all starts with Freedom of Thought, and sadly, ends with Freedom of Belief.

I'm suprised that you have gotten away with your running mouth for so long. The NDP had connie from Morse. The Tories have Kate from Delisle. Both in bad taste. It makes life interesting here in Mississippi of the North.The Saskparty takes from the NDP strategey book and Visa Versa. The voters are left to pay the bills,

Well actually, ok4ua, it's the taxpayers that foot the bill ... and, more than likely, your pay.

WE have read evidence from many sources that
Warman has used a Federal Agency, funded with our tax dollars, to sue fellow taxpayers.

That agency was the Alberta Human Rights commission. The commission brings charges against persons with no cost to the *complainer* but at great cost to the defendant.

We understand Warman has laid many complaints and won every last one with thousands of dollars awards for each one.

We also understand the Alberta HRC has operated for several years and has never failed to make a case *stick*.

Logic suggests the above to be a *rigged* system. While this seems fairly obvious, a court of law will not allow mention of same in this case.

The question here is simply whether someone did or did not post libel to a website.

The evidence appears to be without question, yet the defendant may claim someone else posted to cause him trouble.

I hope the Judge/ defense will be alert enough to consider the perfectly matching style and form of comment and the exact fit of the motivation, or call in an expert to measure those values.

If so, there should be no contest. = TG

Whenever someone needed help in the past Kate rallied the troops and came to their aid. Now Kate needs our help. It’s time to quit talking and make a stand against Warman and the CHRCs. Pay if you can, write letters to the papers, your MPs, the Prime Minister and anyone else who can help. Lets show these a**holes that good people will stick together and not back down to tyranny.

Kyla...please post here more often,you are the left's worst enemy.

Tim?

Whenever someone needed help in the past Kate rallied the troops and came to their aid. Now Kate needs our help. It’s time to quit talking and make a stand against Warman and the CHRCs. Pay if you can, write letters to the papers, your MPs, the Prime Minister and anyone else who can help. Lets show these a**holes that good people will stick together and not back down to tyranny.

Yes.

"For evil men to triumph, it is only necessary that good men do nothing..."

Time to stand up, and speak up- or be forever silenced...

Kyla?

You express yourself well- welcome to SDA, and I hope you will stick around.

I'm about as right-wing as you'll find ( Goldwater supporter ) but I believe that what consenting adults do in private is nobody's damn business but their own. Lived next door to a couple of nice gay gals for 21 years- couldn't ask for better neighbo(u)rs.

Pull up a chair...
Kick yore shoes off...
Set a spell...

"Rolik believes that for the Kylas of the world, a conservative Christian is a greater danger than an Islamic fundamentalist."

In other words: Rednecks from the Bible Belt are worse than red "kaffiyeh"(*)-necked Jihadis with "Shaheed belts".

* - checkered Arab headdress frequently used as a mask by Sunni and Shi'a terrorists.

Isn't there a way in law to ensure that lawsuits are serious - to basically get a deposit from each of the parties.

Seems to me that Warman could easily owe costs exceeding $50k if he loses. (Each defendants costs @$10k each)?

Just wondering?

Kate, don't be afraid to use your army of "Baker Street Irregulars" as needed. We're here for you.

Thanks Kate for all you do, I have made a small donation this morning, and will advance more when/if necessary. I will spend my friday contacting my various government representatives and party affiliates, to inform them my donations will be going to issues such as this rather than to their party coffers until people like the complainant(Lucy) are stopped.

It never fails to amaze me how the "progressive" trolls that stop over at SDA take one plus one and come up with one hundred and thirty two. Because Kate (and others here) have mainly conservative views and opinions people like rolik figures that Kyla is dispised because of her sexual orientation. Nothing can be further from the truth. All I know about Kyla is that she is a fairly articulate person who's comments are well thought out. She sounds like a person with whom I could have a beer or coffee with and have an interesting conversation.

I also must appologise to Kate for wasting bandwidth referencing the bile that a troll has spewed.

Y'all are a nice bunch of people, and I already knew that.

Since someone referenced what could be me, I'll let y'all in on a secret. Check this out: I'm an irregular contributor on _The Hour_ with George Stroumboulopoulos, that's right, I get the opportunity for national airtime for my opinions on the CBC.

I'm thinking it's about time to call my producer and make the trip to the studio to film another one on freedom of speech and anti-human rights commissions.

The clip tells my full name, my profession, and where I live. I have had no negative comments from rednecks or conservatives. Some NDP supporters went ballistic though. When Jack Layton asked me, in person, to support the NDP, I sent him to this link.

Here's the URL of my commentary 3 days before Harper won his first minority gov't.

http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=1062

Let me know what you think about the video. It's not off topic, because many in the gay community and the left wanted to censor me.

Kyla, thanks for the link to your comments on CBC.

I have to admit that the surprise came in seeing the CBC open its door to a small business person, who happens to be gay, present an opinion as a conservative.

As another small business person, seeing the waste in government is truly grating.

We know that we are the easier target when it comes to raising taxes. And we know that surpluses from those *designated* payroll taxes, have found their way into general revenue streams.

It is very telling that you have taken personal heat for daring to express a different opinion, as a member of the gay community.

I hope you will continue to add your insight to this board.

And don't we love our veterinarians, too!

And on another note, since this lawsuit blew in, one can see the light coming through on what this lawsuit means to the left-leaning blogggers, as well.

No one will be untouched. Some will bear more scars, though.

Kate, you and the other defendants have my full moral and financial support.

To those of you suggesting that the Harper government should be punished in an election, or by withdrawing financial contributions, consider this; we could end up with another Liberal government which would NEVER fix the HRC's. Keith Martin's proposal got little liberal support. Dion said he'd squash it.
We should continue to write, call and make noise about the issue, but maybe those with a few bucks could contribute to both causes.

Hi, I wrote earlier, on April 10, 2008 at 9:05 AM. My comment is again off-topic, but not too much so, I think, as the discussion's been continued by others.

My Lord warned me against casting the first stone. Unlike me, He was without sin, and still He forgave the woman caught in adultery. He did tell her, however, "Sin no more." There was no question as to her sin and its wickedness.

I am learning to hate sin. So I hate myself and others in so far as we are sinners. I'll specifically mention abortionists and homosexuals because today's world teaches them to be proud of their sin. I hate Mr. Henry Morgentaler in so much as he stands for murder, and I hate Mr. Svend Robinson in so much as he stands for homosexuality. PLEASE NOTE, I also love them in so much as they are human beings who were created in the image of God and have the possibility of regaining that image. King David, a man after God's own heart, committed both murder and sexual sin, and he was forgiven.

Sorry, perhaps "in so much" should be replaced with "in so far" or "to the extent that."

I think this Warman puke is going to find out that just cause he has a winning record in the kangaroo courts doesn't translate an automatic win in civil court,go get em Kate.

A little help sent your way. All the best from the Ontario "Blue Belt"

Hello Jon, my mother holds the same beliefs that you do about homosexuality. I've never heard her mention abortion. We don't talk very often.

She sees no conflict at all in her being twice divorced and remarried with her previous husbands still alive.

The Bible calls labels this behaviour adultery and specifically tells people that if a divorce should be necessary then God will grant them the grace to live celibate lives. Thou shalt not commit adultery is featured prominently in the 10 commandments.

I haven't ever seen the part of the Bible that directs heterosexuals to remain celibate after divorce quoted when people speak of sexual sin. A lot of people seem to think heterosexuals have no Biblical responsibility to remain celibate.

Is it possible that some people believe that it's really not our business to judge what heterosexuals do and yet somehow some of these sane people feel a religious obligation to take a public stand against homosexuals while remaining completely silent on the sexual sins of their family, friends, neighbors, and possibly even themselves?

BTW, I am happy you have the freedom to express your opinion here. I also dislike Svend Robinson, because he is a thief and he had held a position of trust in our government. He definitely makes gay people look bad in the public eye. Plus the whole wimpy excuse of being stressed-out, or off his meds, or whatever the ridiculous excuse was for stealing.

Kyla,

all very well said. Video included.

Glenn

Eichmann: (without spectacles)
http://tinyurl.com/6yewnk

Warman: (with spectacles)
http://members.shaw.ca/mrayner/hrc-warman.jpg

Kyla,

To quote you,

"Is it possible that some people believe that it's really not our business to judge what heterosexuals do and yet somehow some of these sane people feel a religious obligation to take a public stand against homosexuals while remaining completely silent on the sexual sins of their family, friends, neighbors, and possibly even themselves?"

I must say Amen to that.

From my experience, a soap has nothing on a church, and probably a mosque or a temple. If people concentrated on the removal of the log in their eye, maybe the world would be a better place.

Please, if you can explain to me, and perhaps others, that those who promote sexual freedom, don't mind, with glee, to celebrate a sexual scandal of an opposing person when in the context of their thinking that the person was practicing sexual freedom? To me same double standard as what you have said.

Anyhow, nice to see you here, glad you showed.

Wow, Kate, just like Gregg said. I leave for a few weeks and look what happens. I had been vacationing around the Calgary area and made the Red Deer/Saskatoon run earlier in the week and arrived here in Pennsylvania Wenesday evening. That Highway 51 north of Delisle is OK but it sure is a wreck over by the border.

I wish you and the others well in this battle. I hope to make some comments a little later on regarding this matter - but only if I have the time.

However, a few comments by Kyla in this thread have captured my attention.

I haven't ever seen the part of the Bible that directs heterosexuals to remain celibate after divorce quoted when people speak of sexual sin. A lot of people seem to think heterosexuals have no Biblical responsibility to remain celibate.

Is it possible that some people believe that it's really not our business to judge what heterosexuals do and yet somehow some of these sane people feel a religious obligation to take a public stand against homosexuals while remaining completely silent on the sexual sins of their family, friends, neighbors, and possibly even themselves?

I am intrigued that you implicitly acknowledge homosexuality as a sin - or perhaps you are merely acknowledging Scripture's label. However, what catches my attention the most is you seem to grasp that Scripture reserves its harshest statements for hypocrisy. I notice that you are aware of the statements in Scripture regarding divorce - the following statements were the basis for the well-known phrase "till death us do part"

Romans 7
1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?
2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.
3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

Conduct unbecoming a free society

CHRIS KEMPLING
National Post, April 9, 2008 kempling@telus.net
Posted by: lookout at April 10, 2008 9:28 PM

The BCSC is also the court that certified as a class action in Quatell v. Attorney General of Canada, 2006 BCSC 1840 the 78,500 statute barred Indian Residential School claims based on attendance only. This was contrary to the SCC decision in Blackwater v. Plint,[2005]3 SCR 3 that "The trial judge found that all claims other than those of sexual nature were statute-barred.""Second, to permit damages to be awarded for wrongful acts that are subject to limitation periods that have expired would subvert the legislation and compensate for torts that have been alleged but not proven. It would be to override legislative intent, and fix liability in the absence of legal proof." This is the most unusal case to be sure.

Please let me add my appreciation for Kyla and her contributions here at SDA. The fact that Kyla is a lesbian is not defining; sexual orientation never should be the defining characteristic of a person--though gay activists make it the central point of their agenda, which I think is a big mistake.

Kyla's comments are measured, intelligent, and welcome--not because she is, or isn't, a lesbian, but because she's obviously a thoughtful, thinking, person.

I don't divide my friends into two groups: gay and not gay. I have friends whom I love who are straight and who are gay.

It's the militant gay agenda I have a problem with, not individuals who are gay.

'Just watched your CBC link, Kyla.

Well-said! Way to go!

Well, Kyla it's like this

Caling black people ni--ers, calling them and other minorities, and homosexuals,inferior beings - as has been done on this site and at Five Feet of Fugly - these aren't 'opinions' one can agree or disagree with, or discuss.

These are symptoms of mental illness - a destructive mental illness which causes pain and a culture of racism and homophobia. They're irrational fixations that have no basis in reality - that's where the mental illness part comes in - and they also foment intolerance and violence, for young people of minority races, or young gay people, who haven't even been born yet. They are slanders against entire races of people.

Kyla, if you want to be a conservative so you can have lower taxes and keep more of your money or whatever, fine. But know that the same mean-spiritedness behind the concervative action of cutting off money that helps poor kids so you can have lower taxes is also behind their refusal to recognize you as an equal human being. But of course, they'll 'tolerate' you just as if you were, blah, blah, blah. Good of them, huh?

As for the irrelevant and bizarre insertion of Islam into this discussion, I surmise that's a result of the view here that anyone who disagrees with people here must perforce be in sympathy with Islamic terrorists. That, of course, is also evidence of mental illness. But it's also a straw man argument designed to divert attention away from the fact that people here really can't argue their position - because it's indefensible.

Why? Because it's based on irrational prejudice, which can't, obviously, be defended rationally.

To finish off, I'll answer McGruff's 'straw man' and say that my position on conservative Christians (the term is an oxymoron: Christ's principles are exactly opposite of those of conservatism) and Islamic fundamentalists is the same:

They can both blow me.

rolick, I don't say this at home, therefore neither do my children, who no longer live at home.

But just for you: Why don't you just shut up?

GaryinWpg,

It does seem to be human nature to want to shed light on hypocrisy. Busting the prostitution/corruption fighting governor of NY for using a prostitute made much bigger news than if he had just used a prostitute.

The same happened when Rev. Jimmy Swaggart got caught with a hooker right after saying Rev. Jim Bakker was a cancer that had to be cut from the body of Christ due to an adulterous encounter.

To find out that the HRC staff placed the most racist and offensive comments while pretending to be fighting racism is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

Kate. Go girl!

Brian M.

They can both blow me.
-rolik

Truly I am overwhelmed by the inimitable wit and charisma of the typical Liberal. Much of the hostility stems from the collision of the synaptically-challenged lib world view with stark reality.

Libs must believe in their very core, that folks in certain groups are forever victimized by other groups. This is because libs don't see people as individuals, but rather as interchangable, faceless members of 'groups'.

So when rolik encounters a Conservative gay person who cherishes her freedom, his toy mind goes into a kind of melt-down. His only explanation is that she must be ignorant or a self-hating gay.

This is the same mentality we down south saw during the confirmation hearing of Clarence Thomas for the U.S. Supreme Court. Liberals necessarily must degrade Conservative minority members and black folks as 'Uncle Toms' and sellouts.

It is inconceivable to rolik that any member, of one the Libs protected little groups, could embrace individual freedom and become successful on her own merits, rather than want to live smothered as a protected ward of big government.

Caling black people ni--ers, calling them and other minorities, and homosexuals,inferior beings - as has been done on this site and at Five Feet of Fugly - these aren't 'opinions' one can agree or disagree with, or discuss. These are symptoms of mental illness
-rolik

Indeed they are symptoms of a mental illness ... on the part of Liberals who forever project their own demonstrable history of bigotry, upon Conservatives. Obviously, this is rolik's attempt to cleanse himself from fetid thoughts which forever squirm through his own dimly lit mind. Otherwise he would be able to provide an actual example of whatever the hell he is talking about.

As for the irrelevant and bizarre insertion of Islam into this discussion ... my position on conservative Christians ... and Islamic fundamentalists is the same
-rolik

Here rolik demonstrates the usual Lib equation of Christians, some of whom may disapprove of gay marriage, with Islamists who want to kill all gays.

Liberals are ambivalent about the threat of Islamic terrorism and creeping shariah because Islamists also hate freedom like libs, so they can't be all that bad, eh?

...the term is an oxymoron: Christ's principles are exactly opposite of those of conservatism...
-rolik

Here rolik demonstrates the Lib world view that Christ's admonition to 'love each other as ourselves' obviously is tantamount to ... more, more, and ever more government largess, confiscatory taxation, stifling regulation, and even state enforcement of lib-defined 'niceness' using the deadly police powers of the CHRC.

On the contrary, a free enterprise economy could not exist without widespread embrace of the golden rule.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -C.S. Lewis

Be advised that the 'sarge' who posted incomprehensible comments at 10 April, 11:52 am, is not myself, a soon to be retired Canadaian Army Officer.

I am sure Kate already knows that from the e-mail address / source

Freedom Fries!

Once again, so many straw man arguments in your post that it's a fire hazard. I know you have to invent these diversionary arguments because you can't make your argument on its own merits. But come on, guy! A little restraint! You're really becoming a mockery of yourself.

First you try and push the idea the Liberals see not people but groups who are victims or victimizers, and that I go into meltdown at the arrival of a lesbian conservative.

Not so. I merely suggested she weigh the benefits of the lower taxes conservatives 'promise' against being looked upon as a sub-human by conservatives. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I guess money is that enticing for some.

Next you say because I point out the racist and homophobic comments here and on 5 feet of Fugly, that I empathize with those comments. A strange and twisted logic.

Let me make it clear: I haven't seen the amount of racist comments in the last thirty years that I've seen on this site and on five Feet over the last six months.

As for straw man argument #3, that Libs are okay with Islamic terrorism and sharia law, what nonsense. Are you that desperate to score some illusory points by inventing illusory realities? How pathetic.

If I were you, I wouldn't bring up this stuff, considering how your man GW Bush said he wasn't "all that concerned" about the primo Islamic terrorist Bin Laden, who slaughtered 3000 Americans. You guys seem to think it's fine he's still on the loose - you seem to be the terrorist enablers.

As well, the whacko social conservative crap you guys come up with has more than a little in common with sharia.

Finally, Christ preached about helping the poor and welcoming the outsider, as in the Good Samaritan parable and elsewhere. You guys are all about sucking up to the rich - maybe someday they'll let you in the door! - and punishing the poor. You demonize the outsider.

Your principles are in direct opposition to Christ. But you've snagged onto some of the passages about homosexuality, and you've grabbed onto the abortion issue, and made that the essence of your 'Christianity'. So much easier than heeding Christ's actual words - which might not be good for business, right?

What do you do rolik,stay up late at night so you can get the last word in?What a moron,what do you think readers will do here?Oh I agree with Rolik,I must be a knuckle dragger.Rolik puts up sooooo many good points,I am humbled in his presence.You are a pathetic idiot who would choose to spend his/her time visiting a right wing site when you are a left wing loonie.

Kyla,

The examples you gave about the two Revs, brought back some not so pleasant memories. Their actions, or weakness of the flesh, didn't help many Christians, if not caused them to question their faith.

As for the HRC staff actions, from a distance it appears to be hypocrisy, when in reality it is someone using Crown Assets for private gain. They basically have figured out how, from working within system, to use the system externally and make it into a cash cow. Simple as that. And I bet you dollars to donuts, that the "injured" person really doesn't care about what you or I say, or what a Nazi says or what Mother Teresa says or how the words may hurt someone, all he cares about is money.

Anyhow, off for some early morning toast(couldn't sleep).

Cheers.

It's interesting that wanting government to stop corruption and waste is seen as equivalent to having taxes lowered by ignoring starving children. My CBC piece specifically addressed using some of the saved money for social programs.

How many more children could have been fed, and how much could the education system have been improved with the multi-billions of dollars wasted on the Liberal scandals? The gun registry fiasco has wasted well over $2 billion dollars with no decrease in gun crimes, The sponsorship scandal, the human resources scandal, the list could literally go on for days and those are just the ones we've been told about.

I have a firm belief that we could fully fund all our social programs and cut taxes by 50% if we stopped the hemorrhaging of public funds through corruption and waste, and if we paid off our national debt.

To do so will require a complete change in the culture of the government of Canada. I feel the change in the wind right now. When Joe Average Canadian steps up and demands accountability and responsibility from the government, the government will be forced to act appropriately.

Keep those letters going my friends. Remember to write to Jack Layton and Stephane Dion as well as PMSH. It will really shock them to their core to see regular people paying attention and not just special interest groups.

Gee, h.ryan

I'm staying up all night posting when you post at 3 in the morning, huh?

Why respond at all, pal? Your tiny insect brain bothered by (some new) ideas? Or perhaps you and your fellow rednecks can't roll out your phoney strawman diversionary arguments fast enough?

Tough!

Let me make it clear: I haven't seen the amount of racist comments in the last thirty years that I've seen on this site...

K. Then it should be easy for you to find an actual example from Kate's site, eh?

Hint: A religious choice or gender preference is not a "race", genius.

So that's your homework assignment, rolik. Put up or shut up and admit to everyone you're nothing but a lying lib weasel, who has made a baselesss smear of Kate and everyone on her site.

I value the content of this blog too much not to contribute to your defense, Kate. I'm in.

Rolik...that's eastern time zone,I'm on the west coast,now take off your shoes and do the math.Oh yea,now get to bed too,you have school in the morning.