Via Mostly Water, viewer reaction to a CBC interview of Louise Arbour includes this dissenting opinion;
Louise Arbour is a war criminal and it is time the Canadian people were made aware of the truth about this corrupt woman.Posted by Kate at April 8, 2008 10:50 AMThe CBC knows the truth about her but hides this truth from the Canadian people.
Arbour is responsible for covering up the murder of the President of Rwanda, the President of Burundi and many other persons who were assassinated on April 6th, 1994 by the Rwanda Patriotic Front with the assistance of the UN, the US, Canada and Belgium. As Chief Prosecutor for the Rwanda War Crimes Tribunal, she ordered an investigation into the shoot down of the presidential plane carrying those people. In 1997 she was informed by her chief of investigations, Michael Hourigan, an Australian lawyer and his team, including FBI agent Jim Lyons and Canadian police officers assigned to their unit that it was the RPF who had shot down the plane and massacred all those people. The murder of a head of state during war is a war crime. That massacre was the first massacre in Rwanda in 1994. Hourigan informed Arbour of this. But instead of indicting Paul Kagame and the RPF men who had murdered all those people she ordered Hourigan to come to The Hague where she told him to kill the investigation and to burn his notes. This makes her an accessory to mass murder and a war criminal. She did this on the instructions of the US government in violation of her oath to be independent as prosecutor. Once she proved her reliablity to the Americans, that is that she was corrupt and willing to cover up those responsible for mass murder, she was then used to lay false war crimes charges against Milosevic in order to prolong the war against Yugoslavia.
Since then she has remained silent about the human rights abuses committed by the Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan, and their use of torture and secret prisons around the world.
Louise Arbour is a criminal, corrupt, a shame to all Canadians. The sooner she is indicted and thrown in prison the better.
Wake up people. You are all being fooled.
Christopher Black
Barrister
Lead Counsel
Rwanda War Crimes Tribunal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Black
Interesting fellow.
Posted by: Don at April 8, 2008 11:13 AMthis kind of thing makes it tough on CBCpravda when they are in a mode of covering 17 year old stories. maybe we will have to wait another 8 years till it comes to the top of the CBCs hidden agenda.
Posted by: cal2 at April 8, 2008 11:14 AMThat's a damning indictment. When is she going to be formally charged?
The whole UN needs to be cleansed. Starting with the anti-Human rights Islamofascist countries in control.
Posted by: irwin daisy at April 8, 2008 11:19 AMI was unaware of what was stated here but why is it you get an uneasy feeling about some people,
a-boor was one of them for me. This one definitely navigates on her belly.
Don't forget her illegitimate children and previous boasts that she was instrumental in destroying the quality of Roman Catholic education in Quebec. Not that any of this will get in the way of CBC hagiography.
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at April 8, 2008 11:20 AMI've always thought Louise Arbour is a sellout.
Posted by: mark peters at April 8, 2008 11:21 AMLook! Look! A whole fleet of black helicopters.
Posted by: Zog at April 8, 2008 11:26 AMHmmm..."He has also campaigned for political office as a candidate of the Communist Party of Canada and its provincial affiliate, the Communist Party of Canada - Ontario."
That would be the same Christopher Black?
Talk about your 'pot calling the kettle Black' re being a tool of a foreign government.
The more I hear about Arbour the more certain I am that her supporters from the Chretien clique are even worse.
If ever there was an embarrassment to Canadians ....
Even dyed in the wool commie America Haters agree!
Posted by: OMMAG at April 8, 2008 11:40 AMIf what he is saying is true it doesn't matter if he has been associated with the Commie party.
She has held a more responsible, representative and influential position in Canada than any one from the Commie party.
I don't agree with Lemire's ideas, but he is less a threat than Warman and Kinsella.
Posted by: bluetech at April 8, 2008 11:43 AMRepeating the charge that someone is a war criminal on a blog read by thousands each day is a pretty bold step.
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at April 8, 2008 11:43 AMI'd be cautious about Black. He's been an opponent of Louise Arbour, in the courts, for years.
His ideology is communist (he apparently ran for the Communist Party in Canada - Wikipedia). He supported Milosevic, declaring him completely innocent (with Arbour on the opposite side).
He's declared that North Korea is just fine, a progressive socialist state. Same with Cuba.
He's wanted to indict NATO for war crimes. And as is common with the far left, everything is always the fault of the Evil USA.
Contrary to Black, who supports the Hutu, the Australian Michael Hourigan says that the Tutsi were the ones targeted for mass murder by the Hutu.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/s20012.htm
As for Arbour, and her anti-American and anti-war on terror stance, that's fair criticism. I doubt if she, as anti-American, would have supported a UN decision that exonerated the Americans (ie, Black blames them for the Rwanda massacres).
So - I think there's a lot more to the story than one or two sides.
Nothing new then eh, jr?
Posted by: bluetech at April 8, 2008 11:49 AMirwin daisy
"When is she going to be formally charged?"
It would be after they clear the backlog of cases including Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin...
What? These are communist so they don't get prosecuted? The UN and it's international tyrants and child-rapists get free passes, too?
Never mind then. I guess now that Pinochet is dead there is no work for these people. I guess that's why they're going after the Jews.
The Jews are always the targets in bad economic times...
Is nobody at the CBC even the least bit curious if there might be something to Mr. Black's allegations? Took me about 5 seconds to find this. Might lead to an explosive story, might not.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:14Cw3nClSywJ:www.rud-urunana.org/documentation%255CStatement%2520re%2520plane%2520crash.doc+Michael+Hourigan&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=ca
Posted by: Craig at April 8, 2008 12:06 PMIf true, the Wiki article on Mr. Black is... interesting.
"In 2003 he travelled to Beijing, China and The Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea with a team of American lawyers to meet with Korean lawyers in Pyonyang and subsequently co-authored a report on conditions in the DPRK. He states that the DPRK is a progressive, socialist country deserving the support of all progressive peoples around the world."
If this guy hates her guts, Louise Arbour can't be -all- bad. I may have to contemplate the situation again.
Posted by: The Phantom at April 8, 2008 12:11 PMHey JohnnyRingtone, showing your face around here after what you said about stealing from Charlton Heston's corpse is pretty friggin' bold too.
Shove off, grave robber.
Posted by: The Phantom at April 8, 2008 12:15 PMCarrect me if I am wrong but is this the same Louise Arbour that stated the Supreme Court was above the law or could make the laws as they saw fit?
Posted by: Texas Canuck at April 8, 2008 12:22 PMLouise Arbour is a fine example of the quality of people working for the UN.
Posted by: DDT at April 8, 2008 12:26 PMTexas Canuck, you are not wrong, it is the same woman.
Posted by: MaryT at April 8, 2008 12:33 PMHead explosions all around on this one, eh? LOL...
texas canuck - not, that's another Canadian Supreme Court Judge, Beverly McLaughlin
She declared that there are 'fundamental truths' that are accessible only to - the judges. These essential truths, she feels, are superior to the Constitution, which is, after all, only written by humans or the peasantry.
Very Platonic, her insistence that elite minds exist and that these people alone have the ability to access truth. The rest of us are peasants.
Posted by: ET at April 8, 2008 12:36 PMTexas Canuck & Mary T - I thought it was the current chief justice Beverley Mclaughlin that made that statement. I could be wrong about that but its how I remember it.
Posted by: a different bob at April 8, 2008 12:37 PMI don't believe this for a second. Ms. Arbour detests Americans - I can't believe she would attach herself to anything that would vindicate them. Still, she is a pissant of comical proportion.
Interesting link to Hourigan's deposition, thanks. I can recommend "Silent Accomplice" by Andrew Wallis for a differing view on who's culpable in Rwanda - he argues pretty convincingly that France was well aware of the brewing conflict and chose to support their man Habyarimana(sp) right to the end. In fact Habyarimana's wife lives in Exile still - in France, where she was taken at the height of the conflict, despite evidence she was involved with the Interhamwe (again, sp)at the highest levels....it's a good read.
Posted by: Security at April 8, 2008 12:41 PMShe obviously isn't a war criminal.
But, she is just a self-serving tranzie, poncing around the world posing with all the world's corrupt regimes, including the UN.
Posted by: RW at April 8, 2008 1:01 PMNice link there Craig:
If Louise Arbour called the dogs off the downing of the Presidential aircraft for Rwanda, then you would have a huge story called 'interference in the administration of justice'.
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:c-o-44WcbxYJ:www.hrw.org/reports/2004/icty1004/9.htm+interference+in+the+administration+of+justice%27&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=ca&client=firefox-a
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Interference with the administration of justice
# States should implement the penal code provisions outlawing interference with the administration of justice, including threats to a judge or prosecutor.
Maybe someone got to Louise Arbour and screwed the pressure up a couple of notches. Why else call the dogs off? Of course it would look bad if the RPF got a bad rap for shooting down the president's aircraft. Could be bad for politics.
But you know life gets cheap on this side of heaven, similar to Darfur. But of course, that is off the headlines for the moment.
But then Louise is retiring from the UN, in any case so it is all academic.
Meanwhile, "the UN-brokered peace process stalled after opening in Libya last October and being boycotted by key rebel factions.
Neither Sudan nor any of the splintering rebel groups attended talks in Geneva last month between regional partners and international observers.
The United Nations says that since the conflict broke out in February 2003, at least 200,000 people have died and 2.2 million fled their homes while the Sudanese government maintains that 9,000 have been killed."
Glad to see the lessons of Rwanda have been taken so seriously. The UN is doing such a fine job of it.
As we have discovered the UN is a place to talk shop, document some stuff, make sure the 'right people' get the money, and most importantly; observe genocide, but don't do anything about it that might offend one of the aggrieved ruling parties.
Cheers
johny ringo! That bullet in your brain must itch awfully.
Posted by: otter at April 8, 2008 1:21 PMotter, there was nothing for the bullet to hit. He's now a rattle.
Posted by: Warwick at April 8, 2008 1:25 PMA couple of weeks ago the Lib blog were waxing poetical about how Louise Arbour would make a star candidate for the Libs
Posted by: ian at April 8, 2008 1:37 PMian says "A couple of weeks ago the Lib blog were waxing poetical about how Louise Arbour would make a star candidate for the Libs"
Well they already have Hedy Fry, so why not Louise Arbour? The Libs probably still think Arbour would make a star candidate in their roster of No-stars.
I was following him until he said "The murder of a head of state during war is a war crime."
Actually it's not. Targetting the political leadership of your enemy is a legitimate act under the rules of war, provided the methods chosen are proportionate to the task (ie. shooting down a civilian jumbo jet to get at a single VIP probably wouldn't qualify). So if Paul Kagame and crew actually knocked off Habyarimana and his entourage in their executive jet, it sounds like a job well done.
Unfortunately, given the speed with which the Interahamwe initiated the genocide that followed the crash of the president's Falcon 50 (and the prior planning it required), I'm more apt to subscribe to the conventional theory of the crash; that Habyarimana's own people did it in order to take charge and drive the Tutsi's out.
It also pains me that so many people here hold such harsh positions obout Mdme Arbour and her work at the UN. After all, getting her off the SCC was the best move PMPM made during his time in office. Having her shuffle papers at the Hague seems a small price to pay for keeping her from meddling in Canadian affairs.
Cheers
Posted by: herringchoker at April 8, 2008 2:35 PMPhantom, you are so funny. As I read the post I thought the same thing. She isn't as dumb as I thought she was and maybe not as bad either.
When you consider that monkeys fall out of trees in Africa everyday, like, what's the point!
Posted by: John West at April 8, 2008 2:36 PMHerring, I believe the head of state being referred to was the Pres. of Burundi...
Posted by: Yukon Gold at April 8, 2008 2:43 PMLet's not forget Big Bertha. Bertha is now safely ensconced in the PET Cemetery. She is in the First Circle, aka Limbo:
"Dante's Limbo--technically the first circle of hell--includes virtuous non-Christian adults in addition to unbaptized infants."
CANADA'S MESSY IMMIGRATION POLICIES
"even illegal immigrants and refugees, thanks to a decision of former feminist Supreme Court of Canada Judge, Madam Bertha Wilson in the Singh case (1985), are entitled, in addition to welfare, to health and education for their children, and to all the protections of the Charter of Rights, which means years and years of delaying legal tactics under the Charter. And guess who pays all their legal costs?"
http://www.realwomenca.com/newsletter/2004_july_aug/article_5.html
http://flaggman.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/louise-arbour-leftist-lawyer-liberal-lackey-appeaser-of-iran/
More on Louise Arbour
Posted by: Jay at April 8, 2008 3:22 PMI love it when Leftards find themselves defending lefards who are attacking other leftards....
I guess they have some kind of litmus test for their own 'tardedness !
Anyone else remember Ms. Arbour's emergence into national consciousness? She investigated and reported on a riot at a women's maximum security penitentiary in Alberta. (One of the instigators of the riot, for example, had been imprisoned for murdering an 80 year old man by slitting his throat.) The prison was trashed and prison guards taken hostage, several fearing for their lives. Male guards put down the riot effectively, partly by cutting off the rioters clothes (which generally pacifies a rioter I'm told) and then holding a few of them in solitary for something like 30 hours instead of the regulation 24 or so.
Anyway, needless to say the wise and just Arbour demanded the guards apologize (though there had been no physical or sexual abuse) for a) being men, and b) the minor breach of solitary confinement rules. Needless to say, all of that firmly established her credentials, so the wise and just Arbour went on to become a prosecutor in the Balkans, then to the Supreme Court of Canada, then on to the International Human Rights (which at least got her out of Canada), staying nowhere long enough to justify anything other than her self-important careerism.
Will we ever be rid of this turbulent and dogmatic uber-priestess of political correctness?
Posted by: david at April 8, 2008 4:57 PMWarwick: "He's now a rattle."
BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!
Posted by: The Phantom at April 8, 2008 5:05 PMThe murder of a head of state during war is a war crime.
Oh. please. Like we wouldn't have wasted ol' Adolph if we had the chance.
Pull the other one.
Posted by: mojo at April 8, 2008 5:33 PMShe will make a fine candidate for the Grits
Posted by: paul at April 8, 2008 7:39 PMIts a shame they can't both lose.
Posted by: Henry Kissinger at April 8, 2008 8:05 PMArbour refused to stand up for free speech after cartoons published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten elicited riots and protests in Islamic countries. The newspaper requested the submissions after hearing that artists were refusing to illustrate works about Islam due to fear of retribution. Arbour wrote the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC, an international organization of 56 Muslim states), emphasizing that she understood Muslims' concerns and deplored "any statement or act showing a lack of respect towards other people's religion," and charged U.N. experts in religious freedom and racism to investigate the matter.[11] This gave justification to efforts by the OIC to constrain freedom of speech in the U.N. Human Rights Council.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/InternationalOrganizations/wm1833.cfm
Posted by: richfisher at April 8, 2008 8:35 PMa different bob @ 12:37 p.m., April 8, wrote, "Texas Canuck & Mary T - I thought it was the current chief justice Beverley Mclaughlin [McLachlin] that made that statement. I could be wrong about that but its how I remember it."
Yes, adb, you're correct. It was MaLachlin, not Arbour. (But I'm sure Arbour's in complete agreement.)
ET, @ 12:36, describes McLachlin's sophistry: "She declared that there are 'fundamental truths' that are accessible only to - the judges. These essential truths, she feels, are superior to the Constitution, which is, after all, only written by humans or the peasantry."
Louise Arbour--an ex-Justice of Canada's Supreme Court--is a sister, as in feminist, in arms with McLachlin. Christopher Black sounds like another legal lefty. I'd say a pox on all of them.
Posted by: lookout at April 8, 2008 8:42 PMDefinitely a pox on all of them, batb. The social engineers are the ones engineering the demise of our culture, but they're just the designers. The approving managers are their friends and allies in the liberal and dipper parties and the legal profession, especially the lefty judges.
Posted by: felis corpulentis at April 8, 2008 9:11 PMSorry, lookout, that was your post to which I was referring.
Posted by: felis corpulentis at April 8, 2008 9:13 PMNo problem, fc. I'd say batb's and my outlooks are pretty similar!
Posted by: lookout at April 8, 2008 10:00 PMBlack has chosen 'sides' in the cultural struggle that ended up in Rwanda's genocidal tragedy. He's not alleging anything new (except the part about Arbour's 'coverup' of it). He's obviously not a Tutsis. The Tutsis claim the Hutus downed the helicopter so that they could blame the Tutsis and begin the genocide as a pre-emptive strike to prevent the RPF from regaining power.
From Arbour's 'track record' I doubt she would pass up an opportunity to 'convict' the US or Canadian military of war crimes. A cover up by her (in this instance) seems unlikely.
An interesting and extremely moving eye-witness account of those horrible days is Immaculee Ilibagiza's book "Left To Tell" published by Hay House.
Posted by: lwestin at April 9, 2008 12:41 AMOOPs, sorry, wasn't that the speech she made in NZ or Australia. Even Rush had a few naughty things to say about it. Arbor has said some stupid things, and so has Bev. Who appointed them to our SCC. At least one of them quit.
How many canadians are aware that she made those stmts, the Court (her) can make any law they want.
Who appointed such radical egotists and ideologues, Beverley McLachlin, Louise Arbour, and the other extreme lefties, including Rosalie Abella, to the Supreme Court of Canada?
Chretien. Need I say more?
Posted by: lookout at April 9, 2008 8:04 AMThe CBC is such a nice organization :-)
Posted by: John Smith at April 9, 2008 6:42 PMPlease, Rwanda Genocide is in hands of Paul Kagame and his bosses US and UK. Now all Rwandan knew exactly what happened evenif US and UK are still covering up their deed by using Louise Arbour, media, etc...
We have clear objective evidences from A to Z of such a cover up, what happened in Rwanda, and how is responsible now.
Very soon you will see.
CBC is doing well.