After seeing his first bleat on TV I put this up on my rant spot two days ago.

Sheesh ... what a wimp! ... Why not be a man and just tell the truth. Back in '92 it was far more acceptable to say such things about gay people because they had not yet fully hijacked the political elite as they have in recent years. This guy is freaking because his political career may have just gone down the rabbit hole.

Lets hope no gays and lesbians are hurt because they may be feared as spreading deadly diseases because Atkinson new she was distributing a disturbing video tape with the help of the media. Lets hope the authorities can stop the spread of this hatred in time. People are starting to give stats on the gays and lesbians that may carry disease. Where are the police when you need them.

" Why would any intelligent person want to participate in such an intellectually dumbed-down environment as today’s political circus?"

How true, how sadly true.

One must force ones self to watch this philistine theater so we can identify the truely dangerous and keep them away from the switches... but the intellectual level of discouse has been pervaded with such infantile foaming over fly specs it is not surprising that the larger questions of nationhood and good governance have escaped Canadians and the political agenda for the past 3o years.

A dystopian society produces dystopian politics.

If Lukiwski is not careful, he become co-author of a new book: Kissing Ass in Canadian Politics.

What is bugging me most about this is the MSM. The man has apologized twice now and it seems that this is still not enough. What he said was deplorable, he made an apology and the MSM should move on then because that is how it works for anyone not a Conservative. But no, the MSM is now talking about demotions, kicked out of caucus or maybe a good tar/feathering would be appropriate.

Were the apology mine to make it would have been something like this:

I am truly sorry that the member opposite has no intellect or sense of humour and is completely devoid of any historical reality. I am deeply offended that some twit digging through trash thinks that gotcha politics is the way to run a nation as wonderful as Canada. In light of present circumstances I am waiting for the member opposite to step down from elected office in this great country just as I am demanding the resignation of Robert Fife for his bigoted comments made on national television.

ROTFLMAO!!! Isn't that Sean in Saskatchewan a gem. The NDP couldn't ask for a better poster boy to represent the wounded, aging dinosaur that it has become. His bloated sense of self-righteousness makes me laugh and his buttons are just soooo raw and soooo easy to push. He needs to toughen up and develop a whole lot more gray cells. I doubt he and his party will ever be able to come up with a new idea and still be within the socialist sphere. They've all be tried. They've all failed.

WL:

It is true and is why our government is peopled mostly by unaccomplished hacks, as is the eopposition for the most part. There must be something gravely wrong when a University dropout with no professional experience or qualification like little Pierre Poilievre is a "rising star" in the governing party.

God help us all.

" jwl ...What is bugging me most about this is the MSM. ... "

Agreed !!!!

Funny how the gay community or the Muslim community always seem to get a free pass then caught in an indiscretion !

Svend Robinson's little escapade with the ring in a store received less publicity than this.

Mohammed El Masri's comment about all Israelis over 18 were fair targets for suicide bombers was barely mentioned in the MSM.

Robert Fife on CTV national news can label Conservatives as "knuckle draggers". Susan Riley on TVO Studio2 can call Conservatives "knuckle draggers"

... but OMG ... mention the word faggot and the MSM wants to burn you at the stake !

Funny how this tape surfaces just when the HRCC are taking a well deserved kicking.
Just sayin'.

If you want some interesting, go to Tommy Douglas'
Thesis that he presented to McMaster University, it is enough to make even the most anti-gay sick - forced castration, segregation - its all there.
I think that Jack Laton should appoligize to ALL the "sub-humans" that Douglas mentioned in his thesis.

Lets hope the authorities do not discriminate against Ahenakew, the reporter and a sitting MLA over the spreading of hatred.

The MSM feeding frenzy is the most disgusting result of this sad distraction from the work of governing. Thank you Kate for your comments in today's Ottawa Citizen as well as Adler's. They address the real issue haunting politics in Saskatchewan and Canada.

please help me find the c nt comment

The MSM feeding frenzy is the most disgusting result of this sad distraction from the work of governing. Thank you Kate for your comments in today's Ottawa Citizen as well as Adler's. They address the real issue haunting politics in Saskatchewan and Canada.

The MSM feeding frenzy is the most disgusting result of this sad distraction from the work of governing. Thank you Kate for your comments in today's Ottawa Citizen as well as Adler's. They address the real issue haunting politics in Saskatchewan and Canada.

Google Canadian Cynic. I won't link to it.

Well, Lukiwski shouldn't have said anything about dirty fingernails, that WAS offensive. But about spreading disease, you mean to tell me they're not?

Let me get this straight...if these two men had instead killed their young disabled little girls because they were feeling sorry for them selves...16 years ago, they would have been released 8 years ago because of the cries and sympathy and understanding of the same MSM that now condems them.

The MSN...one screwed up bunch.

In the early 80s Roy Romio...told off colored sexist jokes on a regular basis at public nomination meetings just north of the city. Completly unaware of the sensitivities of the evangelical support his party had at the time. That is when they began to loose some off their traditional base. To bad I didn't tape it...I bet some body did!!

I don't care who you are. Unless you are a phony wanker like Warren Kinsella or a flake from the NDP, there is no way the average man identifies with ALL of the various self described 'victim groups'. Indians, orientals, blacks, gays, french, newfies - whoever - at least one of those groups will get on your nerves one way or another if you are an honest average person.

As far as I am concerned, if you are offending race whores like the NDP, you're probably telling the truth in a way that they don't like.

You guys in Sask. can be so proud of your MP after that apology in the House of Commons yesterday. I wish I could deliver a speech like that one. This was a private party years ago, and the tape should have never been shown to anyone.
Time to get private smears out of the HOC.

And how has Atkinson's actions of spreading this video tape which may have never been ment to be seen affected the publics views of gays and lesbians today is the question to be asked.

It's ironic when you consider that Lukwiski's political career ended simultaneously with Robert Fife's conservative "knuckledraggers hidden in the Harper caucus" remark.

Fife and Lloyd at CTV willwear that one as long as they remain in the yapping business.

They can no longer be trusted to be anything but yellow journalist conservative haters, just by reason of their snide comments and smirks.

It's all on Youtube!

Lukiwski is less guilty of offending gay people as he is guilty of being stupid enough to allow that tape to fall into enemy hands.

In any case he should take the lumps and shut up. Groveling makes him look weak and wimpy .. like .. well a faggot.

First some leftard wanker goes digging through a private companies trash and finds blue prints for a building that isn't going to be built and MSM media blasted Harper for this indescretion. Then we find out this scandle wasn't a scandle ergo it turns out the trash digger was a leftard employeed by a leftard think tank who just happened to be digging in this companies trash. It's a scandle alright, how low are the left willing to go to get a jump in the polls whilst digging through private individuals trash?

Now we have some guy in the early 90s calling gays faggots and MSM emplodes. For heavens sake in the early 90s gays were considered vile evil doers by a majority of Canadians. His words are no different that those of a million Canadians, we've all grown up now could someone tell that to the NDP please.

Attention SDAers, Global National news poll that needs to go horribly wrong. Poll will be active all weekend.

Poll: => globalnational.com

Do you think Conservative M.P. Tom Lukiwski should resign over his anti-gay comments?

This guy deserves to grovel on his knees, if for nothing else, being dumb, just not my idea of bright. Why didn't he just say, yeh, things have sure changed since those days including myself and walked away. I guess if you can go back 20 years and condemn someone with a few drinks under his belt you can go back a little further and shit on someone that said things just as bad, sober, Tommy the Commie Douglas. Surely our world class worlds best Health Care System has the ability to resurrect him for an apology.

we've all grown up now could someone tell that to the NDP please.
Posted by: Rose at April 5, 2008 12:56 PM
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Don't hold your breath, Rose. If there was ever a party that clings tenaciously to the past it's the NDP.

Charles Adler and you are in the "same cage..." you say? Finally! Some good news at smalldeadanimals!!

This will all blow over in due time.The NDP will still be lagging behind the Greens nationally and 1/3 of the population will change the channel when Fife appears.The real problem is what is Duffy going to do without Fifes opinion 5 times an hour.

In considering the absolute glee with which this video was made public- I am presuming it was high fives all around. Even more glee when the dirt hit the fan in the Commons, I do imagine things though.

A very sage warning based on my own experiences here. Anyone who employs this type of "whistle blower", had better be very, very careful. Given that nearly everyone makes some sort of gaffe and would rather it fade into oblivion, watch out if this type of person knows of the gaffe.

They have been warned.

And to think that we just gave these idiots a raise so 'we can attract the best minds to politics'. I despise them all.

If this keeps up all we'll have in the HOC or legislature are Garth Tuner type assholes. All the good men & women will say to hell with it.

I voted at the Global poll. It's firmly on the side that Lukiwski should NOT resign. But the site is highlighting the Parlaimentary grovel. Damn MSM!

Thanks for the tip, jwkozak91 (even more difficult to type than Lukiwski!).

On the employment of such a person that made public the video. Whoops- my bad. I did the research that I should have done previously. I believe it is one Pat Atkinson, who is an NDP MLA.

Ah, "I can see clearly now" in the words of an old song. She is onto the public purse, come heaven, hell or high water, she will probably never have to work under supervision.

"This type of indignation is highly selective."

Can't disagree there.
But the Catholic Fascism of the young Trudeau or Tommy Douglas' youthful Fabianism were overcome in their adult lives.
Lukiwski was already a Conservative elder.

And a shout-radio barker like Adler complaining about "dumbed-down" politics is a bit rich [to use a Harperism]

Imagine a video tape of any given night in 1991 (or any other year) at the Press Club in any city.

68%of polls says this tape is a temptest in a tea pot.Come on libs let have a federal election.I'll bet you don't have a pot to piss in when the smoke clears. A Conservative Canadian on the Right coast.

The left and their media may think they did the "moral" thing by releasing this video but in fact they accomplished the opposite.

The left has lowered the bar.

If they keep this up the conservatives will have no choice but to get down to the level of the left and dig for dirt on the left.

Politics in Canada will be more and more about how much dirt one can find about opponents and less and less about politic.

The left has just lowered the bar to fighting in the mud like pigs.

On the other hand, it just shows how the left is desperate.

The MSM's Dumbing-Down of the news is the reason we have such blatant, misguided priorities in Canada today.

From the House Of Commons to the Justice system to Universities to Public Schools to The United Nations to extreme Political Correctness - our beloved Media has a hand in all the nonsense.

IMO, 'The Love Of Money is the Root Of All Evil' is no longer the biggy.

'The Media Is The Root Of All Evil' has overtaken.

Dumbing-Down the news leads to Doumbing-Down of opinion. How can it not ?

You should never apologize for manufactured outrage, and this is decidely manufactured outrage. Do the dippers and lieberals really want to be held accountable for everything that any supporter has said for the last sixteen years?

The culture in 1991 was very different from today, some might even say it was way better, people tended to voice their opinions freely especially when attending functions of like-minded individuals.

The popular culture was also different- one the better-selling CD's of all time Dire Straits, Brothers in Arms, 1985 contains the song Money for Nothing with the following lyrics:

See the little faggot with the earrings and the makeup,
Yeah buddy thats his own hair,
That little faggot got his own jet airplane,
that little faggot he's a millionaire

and everybody knew it and sang along, you remember it- I want my, I want my, I want my MTV. Very catchy.

Disgusting filth we would never participate in such language -yeah right!

Faggot is one of those PC code words, just like nigger or heaven forbid niggardly, where unless you have the lefty or race-based secret ring that makes any comment OK will be used as a club against anybody else. Yes I did say nigger, just like thousands of blacks do every day as they discourse amongst themselves and as the rap singers do every other second it seems.

Grow up, be an adult, if you don't like somebody's comments mark them down us uneducated and move on.

And Likuwski, take Kates advice just quit apologizing, Siksay accepted the apology in the house-thats enough.

Friend of USA said:"dig for dirt on the left,".

Jeancula Chretien said: "That is to say, homophobia, as a form of
self-expression, is an okay thing in a free country;"

Flashback to Jeancula and Roseanne:

"SKOKE-ING THE FIRES OF ANTI-GAY SENTIMENT

By: Dalton Camp
From: The Toronto Star (Sunday, October 2, 1994)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Liberal Member of Parliament for Central Nova, Roseanne Skoke, has
declared her opposition to lesbians and gays being protected from
discrimination in the Human Rights Code. In her view, homosexuality is
immoral, un-Canadian, un-Christian and contrary to Canadian values.

Since Skoke's opinion is contrary to the legislative intentions of the
Liberal government, the Prime Minister was pressed to comment, which he
did by making allowances. That is to say, homophobia, as a form of
self-expression, is an okay thing in a free country; besides, Jean
Chretien cannot assume responsibility for the views of all of his
supporters in the House, but only for a majority of them.

Implicit in the Prime Minister's endorsement of free speech was the
possibility he may have disagreed with Skoke's opinion. This is
reassuing, even though, it needs saying, he missed an opportunity to
remind the member for Central Nova of the importance of getting it right
before declaiming on what's wrong. Skoke's premise is that homosexuals
are demanding "special rights" in seeking protection against
discrimination in the Human Rights Code. She is wrong, and apparently
willfully so.

Skoke has consulted ehr constituency executive on the issue -- the wrong
issue -- asking its members if they approved of "special rights" for
gays and lesbians. Not surprisingly, the executive voted "No." Janet
Rosenstock, a member of Skoke's executive, has written to the press to
clarify the distinction between what the executive voted on and what the
legislation actually proposes, between "special rights" and human rights."
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/world/americas/canada/rosanne-skoke.anti-gay-statement-10.02.94

I don't know if even Kate can stomach the following perfectly germane comment, but I'll try:

I think the following photojournalism piece is warranted to illustrate that there actually is some truth behind Mr. Lukiwski's drunken rantings of long, long ago (but do pay attention to the warning page, as it's definitely NOT work safe, nor safe to view if anyone's around):

http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/

This link is proof positive that homosexuals are exempt from laws against indecency, offensiveness and obscenity. The only way for them to have been able to carry out such disgusting stuff would be for the San Francisco political powers-that-be to order the police to not enforce the law for these very special, fine, upstanding model citizens and role models for the small children who were actually there to see men with hard penises in each others' mouths all over the place and so on.

Guaranteed that that behavior will spread some diseases. Any honest, non-ideological doctor will confirm this.

One cannot make this up. This is far more offensive than whatever Lukiwski said while intoxicated eons ago.

Why, if homosexuals want the People to consider them as "equals" and as being scrupulously clean and sane, would they go forth and behave this way? Why haven't we heard denunciations from the homosexual community at large against the Folsom Street Fair, which, in addition to having absolute nudity and open fornication, also sold "Jesus butt plugs and dildoes" and other hateful-towards-religions apparati (but, interestingly, stayed away from offending Muslims)?

I didn't make this up.

This is the perfect time to bring this up.

One must decide: What's more offensive, Lukiwski's drunken rantings of a previous epoch, or a recent dick-suck show in public in broad daylight by the very folks he was talking about?

Or perhaps the leftist government of San Francisco's choice to allow it to happen and to order the police to not enforce the law?

Some "equality".

And Lukiwski is the one being crucified.

"This type of indignation is highly selective."

Well everything the left does is highly selective.

Blacks can be racist but whites can not be.

Feminists can bash men but men can not say one little semi-mean word about women.

Gays can walk around naked in our streets but a conservative can not have the photo of a woman in lingerie in his black berry.

Leftists can put a Christian symbol in urine and call it art but no one can even publish a cartoon about Islam.

Gays can say and do any offensive thing about the catholic religion, but no catholic is allowed to criticize homosexuals.

The CRTC said an emphatic yes to Al Jazerra but made Fox news fight for years before it could be watched in Canada.

Liberals let co2 go up by 33% despite signing Kyoto and the MSM gives them a pass, but merely for mentioning doubts about the effectiveness of Kyoto the MSM demonizes conservatives.

The MSM can call conservatives "knuckle draggers" on tv but conservatives can not say "fag" in private.

And so on and so forth.

"Highly selective indignation" does not begin to define the left.

on the up side,
I think the general public is beginning to see the uglyness behind the mask of the left and their media.

you don't suppose for a minute, that the fact "she's" lesbian herself(something the provincial media in SK has kept under wraps for 10 or more years) might be playing a part in all of this!

After seeing the entire video posted on the CBC web site it gives a good look at any party war room and deserves no apoligising whatsoever. The media and elected opposition parties have spun this to create hatred clearly. Charges I would expect to follow. This is more like it CBC, a full look at the tape in its full context. Linda also receives respect by a number of the bad actors in the tape.

The vote over at Global about whether or not Tom Lukiwski should resign because of his on-video comments 17 years ago, at 3:02 p.m. stood at:

YES 31.75%

NO 68.25%

I think it's time for the MSM to STFU and, Mr. Lukiwski, for you to stop groveling and get on with governing our country.

Recognize, Mr. Lukiwski, that you've been framed, and that the insult to Canadians is less your views back then than the person or people who made the tape available to the NDP, the person or people in the NDP who made it available to the MSM, and the person or people in the MSM who made the decision to show the tape OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Your groveling and apologizing over and over again is a fool's game, your enemies want a pound of flesh and won't be happy with that.

You've made a sincere apology, not put one foot in front of the other, and keep moving forward. The Canadian taxpayer deserves nothing less.

NOW put one foot in front of the other, and keep moving forward.

Pat Atkinson Sask NDP MLA is responsible for this witch-hunt. Anyone got video of Pat putting her foot in her mouth? She's a career politician and I don't think she is lily-white either. I think a clip on YouTube would be just desserts.

A man much wiser than me a long time ago, had an appropriate quote for this situation:

‘Let those among you without sin cast the first stone.'

Like Kate told the Ottawa Citizen, I also like my politicians less-than- perfect. Anything else is self-righteous sanctimony.

The Canadian political scene is a Gong Show. While the NDP were in power in Sask. instead of jailing Marc Emery for 2 months for passing a joint they could have set up a province wide compassion club network to help the chronically sick and dying, many from aids. Instead it was War on Drugs as usual, yet they had a policy nationally to decrim or even legalize cannabis! Shame on all of the Sask NDP for allowing the sickest to suffer in agony and silence!

The Canadian political scene is a Gong Show. While the NDP were in power in Sask. instead of jailing Marc Emery for 2 months for passing a joint they could have set up a province wide compassion club network to help the chronically sick and dying, many from aids. Instead it was War on Drugs as usual, yet they had a policy nationally to decrim or even legalize cannabis! Shame on all of the Sask NDP for allowing the sickest to suffer in agony and silence!

I couldn't agree more BOB this http://www.alternet.org/story/80582/ should open a few eyes. Check out the constitutional challenge at www.thevics.com everyone needs to support this cause!

Trying to figure out if this story will "have legs" as the MSN says...I'd accept his apology, and he seems sincere in his commitment to continue to set things right. A very responsible attitude, accepting responsibility, be accountable in the next election. One item that bothered me on the news yesterday was Mike Duffy, CTV, stating that he knows of more than half a dozen gay MP's who refuse to come out of the closet because of this kind of attitude in Canadian society. Why would anyone tell Mike Duffy they were closeted gay? Why is he keeping track?

check out eddie murphy in Delirious for "gay humour"

Ohhhh poor Robert Fife , perhaps he just had a bad day , and in frustration blurted out "knuckle draggers" ... you know ... perhaps finishing up at the urinal , he was late for the interview with Lloyd Roberts and was in such a hurry that he accidentally peed on his shoes ... you know how it happens and you know how terrible that would be ... kind of like a bad hair day !

The National Press Gallery has declared war on PMSH and the Conservative government, if that isn't obvious. He dared to usurp their control of his press conferences, and they've been after him ever since. The Liberals provide the spin and the national media parrots it.

Expect more mountains to be manufactured from mole hills and the parade of trumped of "scandal" to continue. Meanwhile, most Canadians look on and wonder "why is this even news"?

Oddly enough, the Ottawa Citizen hasn't published my comment yet. Just like CTV hasn't. Isn't that odd.

Two points: 1)would it not be simple courtesy and gentlemanly behavior to return the videotape unviewed, as you would a misdirected letter, rather than calling a press conference 2) Joy McPhail has been prominent in calling for blood on behalf of the NDP. One recalls, not so many years ago, Joy and some other leftist haridins put a wind up dancing prick on the desk of an openly gay Liberal member of the BC Legislature. Oh, but that's just girls having fun.

I like this site, I like the conservatives, and so on. But I think Lukiwski should be turfed. He is clearly a complete ass, and is not someone who should be in caucus. It doesn't matter how the story was dredged up. It doesn't matter that the NDP are hypocrites. I'd rather they reinstate that lunatic Garth Turner than keep the homophobe Lukiwski.

Kate can go on and on about how they should ignore Lukiwski because he's on the right side, everybody does bad shit, whatever. Sooner or later, when you use that argument too often, you don't stand for anything anymore. Well, for me it's all not about us vs. them, and to me the guy crossed the line. It's about doing the right thing. It's not the usual mindless "Conservatives good! NDP bad! Liberals bad! Grunt."

set you free :
‘Let those among you without sin cast the first stone.'

Give me a break. Talk about overkill. Now you guys are sounding like Liberals. Nothing is wrong, we cannot judge, everything is relative, there is no right or wrong, bla bla bla. What horseshit. Lukiwski should not be stoned or shunned or whetever. But he should be tossed out of caucus.

Let's see here.

Christian's,Americans ,Jews, Muslims, Paki's,Chink's, Indian's, Commies,Blacks, Retards, are all made fun of on a daily basis.

My question is this.

If all the people of the world are made fun of on a dialy basis depending on where you live, why should homo's be any exception.

Homosexuals are just like everyone else,aren't they?

Then they should take the comments of people just like everyone else does.

sf:

It's good to hear from a perfect human being such as yourself.

Tom Robinson:
"Then they should take the comments of people just like everyone else does."

1. Not when coming from a minister of parliament.
2. Nobody says that Christians,Jews, and others are spreaders of disease, except for the Palestinians talking about Israelis. And isn't this the site that mocks Palestinians for these types of comments? Ha ha, so funny, let's all joke about gay filth! Ha ha!
3. Nobody is advocating that Lukiwski be attacked, prosecuted, or hounded in any way. But he should be tossed from caucus. The guy is supposed to be representing Canada and representing his consituents. I can just imagine what the gay people in his riding are thinking.

You guys will twist yourself into pretzels to defend the indefensible.

I gotta agree with Kate though, Lukiwski should stop apologizing. Doing it once is enough. After that, he is just playing into this political ploy that the Sask. NDP have engineered.

I was in Toronto last summer when a colleague asked me what I'll be doing in T.O.When I said something to the affect that I'll be catching up on some sleep she responded with,"oh you should go to the parade".What parade?The gay pride parade,it's only the biggest one in Canada!I politely responded that I didn't know this but I was staying in my hotel room anyways.This is where her lefty intolerance kicked in.Oh, you're just scared.Scared of what,that I might find that I'm attracted to men,that the next time I see a man wearing a some short shorts on the beach I'm gonna say,look at that hairy ass,I gotta get me some of that.These are the things I wanted to say to her.Instead I told her that I'd prefer to watch the hockey game in my room than watch scantily leather clad men necking on floats.I got a homophobic sigh in return.

"It's good to hear from a perfect human being such as yourself."
I agree with sf. I've just stepped out of a bath of bleach, my sins are cleansed.
Jaysus, I would never run in politics. I'd have every minority and gender trampling the media to hang me for what I said SIXTEEN years ago!
I apologize if I've left out any person or persons that I probably slagged or made fun of, my memory isn't what it used to be.

I'd agree, if his antics were caught on tape since being elected. But that's 17 years ago. If we start holding politicians to that standard, we can just frog march all of them out of the commons right now.

It's an unattainable goal, and in addition, an undesirable one, to invite only the completely pure of PC sin into the public policy debate. In fact, it's dangerous. Those are the very people who will extend their puritan viewpoints on what is allowable thought even further than they already have.

Right, he's apologized to all the homosexuals who may have been offended and all the perfect people who never uttered a discriminating word or offended anyone in their lives so it's case closed. There's nothing more he can do or needs to do.
We'll sit back and listen to Goodale, Brison and Company calling for his head until they find some more stuff in the garbage to rave about.

Goodale and Brison together reminds us of Income Trust leaking so it may not be wise for those two to team up on this one.
Talk about PERFECT hypocrites.

There have been a few times when i was watching the news or Mike Duffy that bubbly bob seemed a bit wobbly . On one occasion he appeared to have a bit of a hard time weaving around on his stool.I have worked in a few bars. The expression " a glow on " comes to mind.

Here's my prediction ... Monday's Question Period goes something like this:

Dion: "Mr. Speaker, on this side of the house, we believe in tolerance ... blah blah blah ... Will the Prime Minister do the right thing, and fire the Parliamentary Secretary to the House Leader ?"

Harper: "Mr. Speaker, the Parliamentary Secretary to the House Leader has tendered his resignation, which I have accepted"

Questions 2 to 8: "blah blah blah, do the right thing and fire the Parliamentary Secretary ..."

Harper or Van Loan:"Mr. Speaker, the member opposite must have a hearing or comprehension problem. Or else he can't think fast on his feet ..."

We don’t have any Hollywood “stars” in Canada so Fife and the Ottawa Press gallery are simply paparazzi who glom onto our politicians instead of movie stars.

Lukiwski is our Brittany Spears (except he said he’s sorry) and this is really a story for The Enquirer. So likewise Canada’s Enquirer is CTV et al.

Competent people will indeed be saying “"there, but for the grace of camcorder...". Competence will avoid politics and public life. Incompetence will grow in government by default. Thus we’ll be getting more and more grist for the paparazzis, it’s a vicious circle.

The solution: shrink government as fast as possible. The less government becomes involved in our lives, the fewer stories for the paparazzis. That’s why paparazzis like Fife want the Liberals back, they want more grist … even if it’s Grits. They know our hidden agenda is to shrink their sleazy story sources.

sf:

How may gay voters live in Likiwski's constituency?

During the next election, would they step into the ballot box and before casting their vote, say: ‘I'm voting against this candidate because of the future my natural-born children will face?'

Just wondering.

Not only should you vote in the poll at Global National, but you should write a little note to the writer of the story

( mdesouza@canwest.com )

and point out some of the homophobic remarks some of the liberal MP's have made much more recently than 16 years ago.

Thanks to Tony at Tony's viewpoint for pointing them out to me.

"Homosexuality is statistically abnormal, it's physically abnormal and it's morally immoral." Liberal MP Tom Wappel - 2006
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"It's sort of corny, but a constituent phoned up and said, 'God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.’ "If it's two adults, where do we stop? What about a grandma that wants to marry her grandson or an uncle that wants to marry his niece? Where do you stop?" - Liberal MP Roy Cullen - 2005

We need to call these idiot MSM story writers on their biased - one sided stories.

Tory Watcher

"when a University dropout with no professional experience or qualification like little Pierre Poilievre is a "rising star" in the governing party.

God help us all."

Considering the crap coming for our beloved Canadian Universities the past few decades I would see this a s quite a positive

You're right, god help us but for an entirely different reason.

"Students are niggers because they want to be niggers," he told the chevron in the December 6, 1974 issue, after a low student voter turnout in that year's municipal election.

- Liberal MP Andrew Telegdi, while he was a student at the University of Waterloo- December 6th, 1974

(University of Waterloo's Imprint Newspaper)

http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/legacy/story.php?f=2&t=5367&i=&v=f&story=5367&

I note that Kate a few posts above called the Left's oppressive viewpoints "puritan".

My, but isn't it ironic? Now it's the Left who's "puritan". Decades of use of that slur against non-Leftists and the religiously devout is already turning on them and biting their arses.

I see above that commentors are now providing examples of Liberal MPs uttering "anti-gay" remarks publicly.

Like hell the MSM will make a stink over this.

They could have chosen to ignore the NDP's providing that old tape of the drunken rant of Lukiwski. But they took it and went all moonbatshit with it.

What about all the "hateful" utterances against "gays" by Liberal MPs? What does Scott Brison think of all that?

And like hell Robert Fife will call Liberals "knuckle draggers".

"The guy is supposed to be representing Canada and representing his consituents. I can just imagine what the gay people in his riding are thinking."

They're thinking:

Fantastic! I hated the fact that the CPC won my riding during the last election because they wanted to re-vote on the issue of gay marriage. And, although I'm too proud to be seriously offended by a comment made by a drunken idiot 17 years ago, this is a perfect opportunity to call for him to step down as an MP and have another chance at electing someone who is more palatable to me.

KS...and the rest of us will collectively yawn.Do you speak for the gay community,if not,then,just like Fife you're spreading your opinion as fact.

Sean S. is a riding assoc. president? Gawd, no wonder the NDP lost in Sask.

Sean thinks three quarters of every dollar in the universe should belong to the government, and it shines in everything he posts.

Way to link to that barf bag Canadian Cynic there Sean. If that's a daily read for you, you should shut the hell up about anyone else.

319.(2)Wilful promotion of hatred
Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(a)an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Defences
No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)
(a)if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

Actually, ks, it's incorrect to assume that because the MP is 'representing his riding' that he is merely a mirror of ALL opinions. That would be impossible.

After all, in his riding, there are people who both support and reject gays/lesbians. How can anyone support both since they are contrary? There'll be some who are Liberals and some NDP and some Conservatives. Is he just someone to pass along their beliefs to parliament, contrary though they all are?

An MP is not an empty pipeline along which the opinions of his electorate come tumbling along, in all their contrary nature. He's supposed to make informed decisions, within his party platform. And listen to the diverse debates within his riding. That's as much as we can expect of an MP.

Tony - thanks for the information. The santimonious leftism of the Liberals/NDP and the MSM has moved into the totalitarian stage, where they consider that they have the right to purify the people - because they have self-defined themselves as pure.

Oh, that's Cam Broten...when I googled his name an IT company came up...

Yep, that's the law that needs to be repealed, ASAP. Thanks, troll.

Kate’s comments where dead on target in the Ottawa Citizen.

As for the NDP releasing this Tape. They had better learn how to dig bunkers. They have birthed a monster with this new slump towards a more vicious neo-Puritan purge, with them caught in the very ruse inflated climate of their own making. One that will haunt them long after this.

I think Lukiwski should resign just from suffering from a limpness factor alone. Not to mention being a boot licker willing to beg his manhood away, cringing before his enemies . Denouncing his own to placate the liars.

Remember Jimmy Cartier. It was all over for him when the Rabbit swam across a pond to attack him & he cringed too. How much more so will this do to him? When you become a joke, your dead politically.

It would have been so much easier to have stood up for himself? Dead man walking. (In the political sense.)

A couple of points.

1. Hopefully the lesson learned (like the boys who were in Somalia)is that you never keep video or pictures of anything that could be used by leftarded bigots. NEVER!

2. If I hear one more liberal blather on about what a big deal this is(their caucus has as many, if not more "homophobes", whatever the f@#$ that means), I am surely going to lose it.

3. In all actuality, he said nothing wrong, and the choice should be left to his constituents come next election(and if the idiot libranos are truly upset, bring down the gov't, and let's get it on!)

I was going to email Mr. L. yesterday and say, No more apologizing, but thought his inbox is most likely already full of suggestions like that.
Hopefully he will know after reading the article in the Citizen that most of Kate's readership agree with her.
If he knew the support he has, do you think that would help him to stiffen the old spine? He over-apologized and heavens it was sad to hear him grovelling.
He has nothing to be sorry for. It was a time now gone and due to PC, gone forever. Like all free speech. (Unless the targets are Jews or Christians, of course.)
Speaking of the misnomer "Gay Parade", has anyone seen what the San Francisco nutcakes did at Easter? If that doesn't show that they are mental cases, nothing does. So, Tommy Douglas was right after all and no abject apologies can be expected from Jack et al.

RD “As for the NDP releasing this Tape. They had better learn how to dig bunkers.”

Good point. I think maybe we are seeing the influence on Dipper style by Thomas Mulcair here. He’s a new breed of Dipper. He is a very malicious individual.

As Mulcair goes after Layton who is stalled and the party membership wondering about an NDP wasted vote, we are about to see significant change. Mulcair left a Cabinet position with the Charest government. This guy has bigger plans for himself in Ottawa. More cannibalism on the left as the scraps dry up.

"Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation..."

Of course the law breads the 'I'm sensitive, and you have offended me' whiney complaints.
However 'private conversation' should include the private parties, at the office or the home.

Mr. L should have some backbone and use the law itself to fight back against this stupidity.

OT
Kate you do have a sense of humour...
"less forest gump...more team america"
lol
Anyone who has errors trying to post knows what I'm talking about

Will the NDP please let us know where they get their haloes and where they get them polished.
Joy McPhail was involved in a prank in the BC legislature which was vulgar so perhaps she should apologise for that now, again and again.

ndphags are desperate for a scandal trying to clean their devices to escape Tommys agenda. The homos in the msm slurp it up. Lefty politics in Canada.

So, when are we getting an apology from the criminally corrupt Liberal Party of Canada for the uncounted millions they stole from the taxpayer? It's all nice and well to castigate a CPC member for idiotic comments made two decades or so ago, but how about the liberal filth fessing up for their unmitigated and proven thievery? Funny how the left will bay like hounds at the slightest mistake of their adversaries but refuse to admit the proven criminality in their own midst. Enough already.

I hope all the leftists are proud of their representatives - monkeys flinging their own feces have nothing on the Libs and the NDP.

H.Ryan I don't speak for the gay community, but I don't personally know any who weren't somewhat vocal in their non-support of the CPC last election. Although expressed somewhat poorly my last post was intended to express my complete lack of surprise for those who do claim to speak for the gay community (Egale Canada) calling for Lukiwski to step down.

Sorry for any confusion.

"H.Ryan I don't speak for the gay community, but I don't personally know any who weren't somewhat vocal in their non-support of the CPC last election."
Ah yes, KS. Would these guys be the same brainwashed types as you who believed what the Dippers/Fiberals told them during the last election that one of the CPC's "hidden" agendae was to re-open the SSM debate? Oh. And did you also know that Stephen Harper eats kittens??? With soldiers? On our streets? In Canada?

Sean S. is a riding assoc. president? Gawd, no wonder the NDP lost in Sask. [The Phantom]
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And in the recent by-elections. Sean in Saskatchewan. Taleban Jack in Ottawa and, I presume, kindred spirits in every other place. I really think their days are numbered. Their bankrupt, sanctimonious crap is so phoney.

Apparently if one points out that the meaning of "phobe" is "irrational fear" and that therefore the term homophobe is a bit stupid, one is branded a racist or some such vile thing, which is just another pointless, baseless, meaningless attempt to cast aspersions which renders the vile thing rather inocuous. Certainly, there are some mental midgets who have foolish ideas about homosexuality, but precious few of those are extremely fearful of those of our fellow citizens whose erotic impulses are directed at persons of the same sex. Some may hate gays, but hate and fear are not the same thing.

Twenty years ago there were still a lot of people who equated homosexuality with pedophilia, but their numbers have drastically declined. People do learn. Attitudes do change. But leftards have difficulty grasping such facts and they have a chronic incapacity to detect nuances, so on and on it goes.

Why do you move out of a place and leave a bunch of video tapes behind?

Lazy and stupid?

I'd agree, if his antics were caught on tape since being elected. But that's 17 years ago. If we start holding politicians to that standard, we can just frog march all of them out of the commons right now.

Unless its Robert Byrd or Tommy Douglas. Such consistency.

I am trying to figure out the political dynamics on this one -- of course, Libs are going after CPC presumably to gain political points. But -- CPC is not likely to lose many votes over this as the gay community are (for the most part) not supporters. It was interesting to see the balanced and objective response by the NDP on Duffy (Friday?) (even the journalists commented on their nuanced response.) Meanwhile the Libs were foaming at the mouth. What comes through for any thinking person is that they are not so much enraged by the comments, but using the incident for their own political gain. I think this is in very bad taste. It is also pretty transparent. They are definitely overdoing their outrage. It makes them look bad. So -- could the NDP's hidden agenda in releasing this tape to make the Libs look like fools. If yes -- clever them -- looks like it's working.

VonRock - You don't really believe that this tape was "left behind" do you? No one is that naeve. The Dippers came into possession of this tape by other - shall we say - mysterious means.

If the politicians had their brains turned on they would be going after the person in the NDP (similar to the income trust) that spread the hate tape to the media which may be the act of breaching the law. Private rants in a private war room would appear to not be a breach of the law. Now days it appears politicians will sell their sister to keep their jobs. Will be interesting to see where Harper keeps his spine. Jean never backed down in his years in politics and would just leave the country when things got to hot. Then make a mess overseas and come back and start all over again. Lets see if freedom of personal belief lives at the CPC and lets see if you will sell your beliefs for power.

If I were one of the people in that video, I would seriously be thinking hard about all the people in the room - it doesn't look like it was a big gathering - it shouldn't be that hard to figure out who the Judas is.

I no more believe the NDP happened to find a tape "left behind", this was either planted and a mysterious phone call made to "look" in a certain place - this has had far more impact on the Tories than the Sask party. This has the smell of Liberal pseudo scandal all over it.

As a few that read my comments may know, I know nothing.

Though.

Thinking about the terminology of ‘homophobe’. Seems that the word is more of a newspeak than an expression of fact. Few people if any are afraid of homosexuals.
On the other hand the word heterophobe would be an accurate description of many comments coming from homosexuals.
As for homosexuals, my sense is live and let live, just get out of my face.

Many years ago a French philosopher, I forget which one, said about the common sight in Paris of couples hanging around their necks and other such activity, that it is nice to see people being amused with one another though they do expose themselves to ridicule.

As for Lukiwski, if he was to resign, he should do it because of all the bloody apologizing. Any apology after the first one is insincere. The guy should not apologize at all. What he should have said is ‘what I said long time ago was stupid, end of story, move on, I reserve right to say stupid things in future, it is the part of human nature’.

Should say 'reserve the right'

Cascadian: "The culture in 1991 was very different from today, some might even say it was way better, people tended to voice their opinions freely especially when attending functions of like-minded individuals."

For instance, in 1991, Stephane Dion, a man who purports to be PM in waiting, was a separatist. For instance, most parliamentarians in 1991 were against gay marriage. Which is potentially more harmful, drunken idiot remarks, or the wish to take Quebec out of Confederation?

This could backfire on MSM; the knuckledraggers in the Liberal and NDP party could switch their vote to Tory. (sarc off)

Look at the bright side. The NDP released the tape now, rather than waiting for the middle of the election campaign when the political impact in urban centres may have been greater.

VonRock: "Why do you move out of a place and leave a bunch of video tapes behind? Lazy and stupid?"

Preceisely.

It's clear to me that the Conservatives DIDN'T leave a bunch of video tapes behind. What Political Party would do that? They'd be ripe for...ta da...being tarred and feathered by their enemies.

It seems highly likely that some enemy, with access to this 17-year-old tape, GAVE/SOLD the tape to the NDP which say they just "happened" to come across it when they took possession of the Conservative offices...

The NDP story doesn't hold up.

The Conservatives were unlikely to have left ANYTHING behind in their offices, soon to house the NDP, let alone a tape as compromising as this one.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

ASK THE MSM WHAT THEIR ROLE HAS BEEN IN THIS FIASCO.

Conservatives hate gay people. Get over it.

aa: Why don't you get over it?

Most "conservatives" know gay people, love gay people, work with gay people, have fun with gay people, help gay people, have gay people in their families, and don't actually divide their friends and family into "gay" people and "non-gay" people.

There's a HUGE difference between hating someone and being concerned about their lifestyle.

'Seems to me that if you care about or love someone you might have some problems with a lifestyle that could lead to some major health problems--and that usually does.

"There's a HUGE difference between hating someone and being concerned about their lifestyle."
batb.....not to the leftards. Remeber,the only lifestyle they are concernd about is making sure they inflict theirs on YOU.
Besides,you are asking them to discern between emotions and logic! Tsk,tsk heh

Leaving aside batb's tired old designation of homosexuality as a 'lifestyle' (presumably one that's chosen?), where does batb get the statistics which claim that homosexuality "usually" leads to major health problems?

USUALLY?

Is there anything to back this up? Or is it the same ol' SDA realm of fantasy, where people just spout off whatever made-up nonsense they feel like, in order to 'win' arguments or make themselves feel better?

I mean...sorry to wreck the party, here. But as a member of the reality-based community, anyone care to substantiate Batb's claim that homosexuality USUALLY leads to major health problems?

I can't be bothered to look it up for you, but I believe the average lifespan of gay men is significantly lower than for that of straights.

Call it lifestyle, call it preference, I don't care. It's still the only "identity group" that's defined by a behavior. Lots of doors await opening on that count.

Meaning, wait until they find the genes for pedophilia and then watch the heads explode. That's not a matter of if, but of when.

I thought the Conservative party was fighting with the Sask Party over money left over in their trust. Someone in the old Conservative Party obviously did not receive something they wanted. The Sask Party seems to think the NDP had a right to the tape because they are not going after them.

For Rolik:

http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/exec_director/cc08_state_of_movement.pdf

"‘State of the Movement’ Address by Matt Foreman,
Executive Director, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

Given at the 20th National Conference on LGBT Equality: Creating Change, in Detroit, Mich., on Feb. 8, 2008"

"Today, right now, more than 45 percent of African-American gay and bi men in key urban areas
are infected with HIV, with a 33 percent increase in new diagnoses among our brothers under
age 30 over the past six years. Today, right now, African Americans are nearly 10 times more
likely than white people to be diagnosed with AIDS.
The response — internal to our community and external — is appallingly racist. Internally, when
these numbers come out, the “established” gay community seems to have a collective shrug as if
this isn’t our problem. Folks, with 70 percent of the people in this country living with HIV being gay
or bi, we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease. We have to own that and face up to that."

BB obliges.

and "presumptuous" rolllk, "Will not see"

We will never hear from rollk,.. back to his everything-gay-comfy world., head up his own gay ass.

Kate: "I can't be bothered to look it up..."

No surprise there, Kate. Just make any statements you like,and when questioned wave your hand and say "I don'thave to prove it...the facts are out there - find'em yourself..."

You're as intellectually sophisticated as your airbrush monstrosities are artistically sophisticated.

Oh, and hey, we're just talking about 'gay men' now? I thought we were talking about homosexuals..

Kate: "Wait unitl they find the genes for pedophilia..."

You don't present any facts to support your assertion, then you turn to the future where your bigotry will be 'justified' in Tomorrowland...

What debate!

Such a rigorous intellect you possess!

This isn't a site where base ignorant prejudice is dressed up in phony academic jargon at all!

Hey BB

You think your post proves batb's assertion that homosexuality usually leads to major health problems?

Where in your post does it prove that lesbians USUALLY experience major health problems?

It says 45% of black gay men in urban areas have HIV.

That doesn't even show that black gay men in urban areas USUALLY have major health problems. 45% of them do.

Along with all the other homosexuals in the world, lesbians and gay men, it hasn't been shown in the least that homosexuals USUALLY experience major health problems, as batb claimed.

batb makes an idiotic unsubstantiated bigoted comment.

Kate chimes in with a bunch of rigamorole which proves nothing except her own bigotry.

BB posts irrelevant stuff that does nothing to substantiate batb's claim.

richfisher moronically jumps in to say that BB's line of bull has actually proved something - as well as tellingly using "gay" as a pejorative against me. Oooh, when rednecks attack!

Typical.

Is this really the best you guys can do?

Pa - thetic!

Those were stats from their own representative.

And he took heat for even saying this much.

Don't be too hard on him, Rolic.

Earlier in this thread, loki posted: "Criticism of homosexuals seems to be verbotten now despite the well known health consequences of homosexuality. If one excludes IV drug users, > [more than] 95% of sexually transmitted HIV cases occur in homosexuals. All venereal diseases are orders of magnitude higher in the homosexual population which is not surprising given that having several hundred sexual partners/year is considered ‘normal’ in cities such as Vancouver.”

The evidence that there is a seriously reduced life expectancy (for gay men in particular), and a great deal of disease, as well as domestic violence (Statistics Canada), in the GLBT community is well documented, often in its own publications.

"(S)/he who can read, let that person read." If the message doesn't register, I guess some people have language processing problems. Or maybe some other kind of problem . . .

The onus is on people like that (not Kate) to provide a real argument and some stats to back up their juvenile, fictional rants. Of course, the fact that they can't provide the stats to prove their point is borne out by the vicious and vacuous ad hominems they fling about instead. Talk about narcissistic hypocrisy.

What's rolik's fav pick up line:can I push your stool in?

Lookout:

The statement was that homosexuality USUALLY leads to major health problems.

Nothing posted here, including the irrelevant quotations you have offered substantiates that claim in the least. If you think they have, it's you who has reading comprehension problems, and should probably seek professional help for them.

Put up or shut up. Prove the claim or align yourself with the rest here who routinely spout off with completely unfounded assertions - i.e., the fantasy-based community.

H.ryan

Thanks for displaying the real rationale behind all the high-flown rhetoric used by Kate and the rest here: ignorant bigotry and homophobia.

Just like the ones here who pipe up during discussions about race with "ni--er" etc., you have provided an essential glimpse into the reality of SDA: redneck prejudice dressed up with phony baloney after-the-fact justifications.

Carry on!

According to law, "Silence means consent."

As long as rolik is silent re documenting his/her thesis, by default, those who have taken the time and effort to verify their assertions carry the argument.

So, rolik, either quote the statement(s) with which you disagree and refute, with evidence, or your increasingly pathetic assertions continue to have no weight at all.

Ah rolik get a life you pathetic left wing retarded moron.You give us sane hard working common sense people a glimpse into the reality of a dumb ass leftard who would rather have their head chopped off than to be called a racist.Don't you know that every time you throw that word around it carries less weight,but carry on.

You know what's problematic about this is that Kate feels the necessity to retract her Democratic opinion. What's troubling about it is that the SaskParty all but drew-and-quartered Kate and two or three days later Brad Wall is found in a video tape committing acts of extreme disrespect to Saskatchewan Voters (particularly from Preecville). What's crazy about this is that Brad Wall can be heard laughing in the background while a member of his party racially mocks the shape of black peoples eyes. What's worthy of real criminal time is that Brad Wall and his fellow Party Members broke the law in specific sections 193 and 266 of the Saskatchewan Election Act (which define corrupt election practices).

For whatever possible damn explanation the SaskParty can try to weasel out about why they removed Kate's blog from their website, Brad Wall is guilty of much greater crimes of racism against black people's eye shapes, corruption under the election act, and making fun of Saskatchewan voters - and no it does not matter that it was 15 years ago because he was an adult and responsible for his actions). This was done on the Taxpayer dollar (as the election expense returns show for that year), and by public officials in a public funded setting during an election (section 266 of the Election Act) and NOT by private citizens.

In case you think I'm doing this to support the NDP - BA-LONE-EE... the NDP are just as guilty and just as abusive to Sask TaxPayers on just as regular a basis.

Send the whole lot of them to jail is what people are saying in Saskatchewan. Many are just plain sick and tired of watching dedicated and involved people like Kate be censured while far worse "actual crimes" are committed.

Brad Wall apologizes one day, and jokes about the event the next (saying at the premieres dinner is anybody video taping this?)

Shameful... or Shameless.... Both is the answer... the acts where shameful (and illegal and racist) but it was shameful that he would joke about it a day after apologizing for it on the floor of the legislature saying, and I quote, "... it is wrong for anyone to make light of these things..." which is just what he did at the premier's dinner a day after apologizing.... SHAMEFUL.

Just to be clear adler is wrong... this is not a couple of drunken hacks in private... it's in public and was the alcohol cost was reimbursed by taxpayers. If it was in private... ok... but it wasn't... it was public both in action and in who was funding it.