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April 4, 2008

Some Bigots Are More Equal Than Others

Or, as Kathy Shaidle likes to say, "Journalists - our moral and intellectual superiors!"

(Great work, Richard)

Update: I'm told that CTV.ca has quietly cut the offending portion from the tape on their online site. Not that there was anything wrong with it! **** Update 2: Or did they? Others tell me the segment is now intact.


Posted by Kate at April 4, 2008 5:41 PM
Comments

Unbelievable, really.

Everyone got their swords sharpened? Got your joints all loose?

Way to go, Richard. Thanks.

Posted by: EBD at April 4, 2008 6:08 PM

So what's your point??

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 6:12 PM

... no, there is no media bias.

Posted by: Paul at April 4, 2008 6:13 PM

Pass the Polysporin, my knuckles are raw from dragging on the ground again....

Posted by: Deity at April 4, 2008 6:15 PM

Brilliantly executed, Richard, thank you.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 6:16 PM

As Ralph Kramden would say "How sweet it is". The best revenge I always say, is watching your enemy make a buffoon playing straight guy with their own mouths. Public hypocrisy by Politicians or the Media have become all to obvious. They sound like wooden statues with grass for brains, objectivity so suborned by social dogma, they don’t see the clown that others do in the whole theatrical act they being officious with the audience every night . Nor their unashamed bias. Its too funny!

CTV has not only hit bottom of the barrel its now digging under it for its own grave. The tactics employed in this anti Conservative screed, was just too obvious, if not embarrassing just watching it. They haven’t figured out yet, we know all the little hooks-dodges they use.

Its was so pathetic, like watching a puppy get run over. Lloyd Robertson looks like an extra for "Day of the dead". Love the Vlad hair do Floyd. With Fife his Renfrew of choice.

Great post Kate ,made my week lol.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at April 4, 2008 6:17 PM

As emailed to the CTV news room and to be quickly delted I am sure.

"I am writing to enquire as to when we can expect Robert Fife to list, by name, all the "Knuckle Draggers" in the CPC caucus? The term "knuckle dragger" will be required in this story so that libel proceedings can begin.

If this proves to be unacceptable to Mr. Fife, when, then, can we expect a full and complete retraction and apology from Mr. Fife?

I will not bother to hold my breath for either of the above to happen, or for that matter, even a reply to this email."

Posted by: Jim at April 4, 2008 6:18 PM

I just can't watch Canadian news anymore, its just not worth the frustration and anger.

Posted by: Eric-Vancouver at April 4, 2008 6:20 PM

SO....Fife can call the Conservatives "knuckle-draggers" on national and international TV, but, at a private party, Tom Lukiwski cannot refer to someone as a faggot. I am speechless!!!

We should all be calling CTV and demand Fife's resignation immediately. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted by: Gypsy at April 4, 2008 6:21 PM

There's really no need for the repeats...we are intelligent enough to pick out what Fife said...someone should inform the creator.

As for Fife? Not surprised.

Posted by: Griff at April 4, 2008 6:23 PM

Wrong, Griff, read Strunk and White: "Say it three times."

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 6:25 PM

WOW. Lovely! Will Fife have to apologize AND resign?

Talk about being offended and double standards: here's a small sample from Xtra, the homosexual publication.

I find the views expressed here juvenile, narcissistic, and highly offensive. (Remember, we all pay the health care costs of these people. Lukiwski was definitely on to something. Of course, truth is no defence.)

From Xtra: "Why we fight alongside hookers

"Ariel Troster / Xtra.ca / Thursday, February 21, 2008

"The struggle for sex workers' rights is our [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, two-spirited] struggle. Here's why.

"One. The state has no place in our bedrooms. Neither do city councillors or police officers or vigilante neighbourhood associations. Any attempt to regulate or criminalize consensual sexual activity between adults [even if on public property] is an affront to all of our rights and freedoms.

“Two. Lots of queers work in the sex trade. I know at least three gay male escorts who work in the trade to supplement their salaries and pay off debt. A dyke friend sleeps with men for money and with women for pleasure, paying for her university education in the process. And a few of my trans woman friends sold sex to pay for sex re-assignment surgery, which was de-funded by the Ontario government in 1998. There are scores of stories like this in our community. And guess what? You probably know someone who's turned a trick too. [Don’t YOU?]

“Three. Queers [dirt under their fingernails, or elsewhere] use the services of sex workers. Whether we're talking about the closeted men from the suburbs who ‘pay for play,’ gay men who stuff wads of bills down strippers' g-strings, or kinky couples who pay a dominatrix to administer a good flogging, queers exchange money for sexual services ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. [emphasis mine] But seeing as we live in a city [Ottawa Xtra] that seems intent on portraying all customers as predators, it's about time that our community ‘came out’ and admitted that purchasing sex is not tantamount to exploiting women . . . ” (Feminists, take note!)

There’s more, including lots of pictures of muscle men with their hands down their semi open pants and on their bulging crotches, advertising such web sites as Squirt. (Google Xtra.ca and check out Pink Triangle Press just underneath.)

Oh yeah (Toronto Xtra, March 27, 2008), “Toronto police are launching a campaign to persuade youth to report homophobic violence.

“The campaign, spearheaded by Const Tom Decker — the force's queer liaison officer — is being developed in partnership with a number of community groups and will be launched at Pride . . .

" ‘Our best bet would be to start as young as possible if you want to achieve social change. We thought why not start in schools. It's aimed at high-school students and youth. Thirteen to 25 would be a safe age range.’

“Decker says the campaign will include posters and flyers in schools and in the queer community, and he hopes to be able to produce internet and television spots if the money can be found.”

If one’s looking to be offended, Xtra’s got something for you.

But the homosexuals of this country, many of whom seem to live on the fringe (which we all pay for), never seem to be “outed” like MP Lukiwski (whose story led nearly every CBC “newscast” today). I guess, like in “Love Story”, being gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, two spirited, or . . . means never having to say you’re sorry.

I guess it’s only we heterosexual, usually white and Christian folks who have to do that.

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 6:28 PM

I love the repeats. And consider that the national media has repeated the offensive 16 year old tape, oh... a thousand times today? I think Fife gets off easy.

Posted by: Kate at April 4, 2008 6:31 PM

I received a reply about my email to CTV, too bad it was from my ISP........

"The following message to was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 User unknown'"

Posted by: Jim at April 4, 2008 6:32 PM

Barney Fife should resign and Oppi thinks he should as well.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 4, 2008 6:33 PM

I'm laughing my head off...

...even though I'm totally pi**ed off, as I have been for a day and a half, watching our two-bit MSM turn PMSH's triumph in Buharest, at the NATO Summit, into a smut sideshow here in Canada because of a so-called "stumbled upon" amateur video from 1991.

Pass me my smelling salts.

Yesterday, on Mike Puffy Live, Fife was sounding reasonsable and said that Tom Lukiowski's apology seemed sincere and sufficient.

A few hours later, he's singing the Canadian MSM Chorus: LETS'S KICK PM STEPHEN HARPER'S BUTT.

It get's increasingly tiresome.

Fife, Duffy, Newman, Boag, Van Dusn't, Robertson, and the whole damned bunch of these unprofessional shysters need their own butts kicked and some kind of reality check: What would that be?

Maybe Kate McMillan, Kathy Shaidle and the rest of the Blogging Tory Choir.


And what would our song be?

Posted by: batb at April 4, 2008 6:35 PM

.

Beautiful just beautiful.

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In Canada we no haven't had government for a long time. We have media gottcha. That takes up all the time of government and guess what? We are paying for this shit.

Posted by: John West at April 4, 2008 6:35 PM

The stupid idiots in the media are too dumb to realize they're ensuring a Conservative majority.

Fife and his cohorts must have been swilling too much Liberal wine and are showing the brain damage.
Fife can quit with the strawberry blond hair color and retire if that's all he has to offer.
Most of us are tired of that type of National Inquirer journalism. They have a few buzzwords to put forward and someone feeds them the rest ofthe trash.

Beats me why we don't have a few law suits coming from the decent people they're trashing. Being in politics doesn't give these bozos in the press a license to smear.

Posted by: Liz J at April 4, 2008 6:37 PM

I'll bet that little shit Fife has never kissed a girl.

Posted by: John West at April 4, 2008 6:37 PM

Will Fife (or a Dipper) explain to us how those 16 year old comments are offensive to people who strutt their stuff half naked on the city streets? Have they no pride?
Oh wait...

Posted by: bluetech at April 4, 2008 6:39 PM

Great work! The repeats were perfect. Anybody remember Max Headroom?

Posted by: christopher rivers at April 4, 2008 6:39 PM

It's interesting to see that old corpse of an anchorman, Count Floyd still able to chuckle long after his apparent physical death.

Fife's comments must have been better than the morning transfusion.

Posted by: John West at April 4, 2008 6:40 PM

Are there knuckle-draggers and social conservatives in Harper's caucus who would like to impose their agenda on this country? Of course. So what's your point?

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 6:42 PM

Just called CTV Toronto head office news division and spoke to someone who coincidentally refused to give his name.

I expressed outrage that Robert Fife referred to members of the Conservative Party as knuckl-draggers. I asked what CTV is planning to do about this. The fellow stated CTV was not planning on doing anything and asked what I thought should be done.

I demanded an immediate public mea culpa and Fife be demoted or terminated. I explained to this fellow that this clip is all over the blogs and on YouTube. This is when he dropped his arrogance and became very uneasy. He then said he had to leave the line and talk to somebody.

Call CTV News Toronto at 416-332-7400 and express your outrage.

I smell FEAR!

Posted by: Gypsy at April 4, 2008 6:46 PM

*
The Opposition has a point...

There's no sense endlessly hashing this thing out... without resolution.

Let's put the Lukiwski resignation to a vote in Parliament. Just to make
it interesting... let's make a vote of 'confidence/non-confidence'
in the government.

"Whaddaya say, Stef... you still ready to rock n' roll?"

*

Posted by: neo at April 4, 2008 6:49 PM

No, actually, Lookout, it is not the case that many homosexuals live on the fringe. You hear about the ones that do because they do. You don't hear about the others because they don't.

Is it possible, I wonder, for people to have a discussion about media malice aforethought without having to always descend into overgeneralized, ill-thought-out tangents that constantly detract from considered discussion of any single topic.

The problem here is Canada's media oligarchy malfeasance and the effect of that on the perspective of our fellow citizens. I would have thought that important enough to concentrate on. But no, people argue with idiots like Manny about trivial irrelevancies like the colour of the fraudulent faux-journalist's hair. Super.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 6:51 PM

Kate, maybe you could put up a "buy a tv station" paypal button. The ONLY way the CPC will ever get balanced coverage is if we have a Fox news type of station.

Kate, you could be the program director

Posted by: Greg at April 4, 2008 6:52 PM

Manny:

Let's - for the sake of argument - take what you assert - that there are "knuckle-draggers" in the CP caucus as true in that you mean people who have out-of-date viewpoints in the opinion of many.

Then you would have to agree that there are also knuckle-dragging proto-commies in the liberal, BQ and ND caucuses as well.

What do you think the reaction would be if Mr. Fife had said there were commies in the NDP caucus or the liberal caucus (in fact wasn't Dion once a Marxist?)?

Would people consider that an unacceptably biased/bigoted position for a reporter - someone who is supposed to be even-handed - to take?

That is the point of people's ire - that those who do wrong against those on the right are treated much more leniently than thos who do similar things to those on the left.

Posted by: Gord Tulk at April 4, 2008 6:53 PM

The point here is media bias; and in this case, one of the worst cases I've ever seen because it's so insulting and blatant.

That's the topic ... not Manny.

Posted by: Paul at April 4, 2008 6:54 PM

More pertinent comment and less personal attacks would make Lucy West look less like a HR Kangaroo Kourt troll.

Posted by: Enkidu at April 4, 2008 6:56 PM

About the only thing that CTV still has going for it was that it hosts the CSI series. I can save lots of time by renting episodes without ads at the end of the season. This makes CTV totally superflous for me as there is absolutely no reason for me to watch it now. I stopped listening ot the CTV news some time ago once the anti-conservative bias became far too obvious.

During my internet wanderings today I somehow ended up on the Calgary Herald web page for the Lukiwski story and was a bit surprised to find that comments were strongly critical of both Lukiwski and Wall. As the story was still open for comments, I decided to post one and got a page indicating my post was "awaiting approval by an editor". I've checked back a few times over the afternoon and no sign of the post. Yet another example of the MSM attempting to shape the news rather than just report it. For the record, what I attempted to post was:

The only thing disgusting about this whole affair is that both politicians felt they had to apologize. I saw the tape and saw nothing that offended me. What is very disturbing is that this tape, which was likely illegaly obtained, was broadcast without the permission of the individuals who appear on the tape. What Lukiwski and Wall should have been doing was suing the asses of the NDP who stole and then released this tape without getting permission.

Criticism of homosexuals seems to be verbotten now despite the well known health consequences of homosexuality. If one excludes IV drug users, >95% of sexually transmitted HIV cases occur in homosexuals. All venereal diseases are orders of magnitude higher in the homosexual population which is not surprising given that having several hundred sexual partners/year is considered "normal" in cities such as Vancouver.

Tommy Douglas, that NDP icon made numerous statements which would now be considered homophobic and was also a strong proponent of eugenics. I'm sure that if one secretly videotaped a drunken conversation among NDP politicians, one would easily get statements far more offensive than the non-event that the MSM seems to be covering ad-nauseum.

A more contemporary member of teh NDP is former Manitoba cabinet minster Joe Borowski who, according to Wikipeida:
"Borowski also published a series of works in the late 1980s that were criticized as homophobic. In 1988, he released a document that called for "all known gays" to be quarantined from the rest of society until the AIDS epidemic had subsided. He also published a work entitled Child Molestation and Homosexuality, the front page of which showed a middle-aged man attempting to lure a child for sexual purposes. Winnipeg AIDS activist and future mayor Glen Murray became a vocal opponent of Borowski during this period."
(thanks to Chad for the information on Borowski).

Posted by: loki at April 4, 2008 6:56 PM

The point Manny is that he is equating knuckle draggers and social conservatives with Stephen Harper's caucus. Kinda like equating homosexuals with people who have dirty fingernails and spread diesease. Are there homosexuals who have dirty fingernails? Of course. The other instance is possibly true too, but for fear of getting a HRC complaint, I better not state it, or even make an affirmative statement to the position.

Point is, both Fife and the MP painted with a broad brush, but the MP is tar and feathered for statements made 17 years ago, while Fife is paid by CTV for his statements today.

Posted by: Ln(e) at April 4, 2008 6:56 PM

Whoops. There's no point, Dr. manny; we just want to see how many times a guy can say "what's your point?"

Duffy. "There's a large number of born-again Christians in that riding. When one reads the entire transcript, I would think a lot of people of faith would be concerned, not just by the references to gays and homosexuals, but the tone that runs through the entire tape."

Pat Atkinson: "Oh, I think that's true. There are sexist remarks, there are racist remarks, there are homophobic remarks, there are, ahhh, many remarks, ahh, we were thinking that, ahh, really, the only group they left out were first nations people. Ahh, but it's, it's disturbing, to say the least, and we have people on that tape that are involved in political life in our province -- there were also remarks made against trade unionists in our province, aah, so it, it's disturbing."

Posted by: EBD at April 4, 2008 6:57 PM

Fife: fagget in quebecois slang

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fif


I am pro gay BTW.... Often I wish i was gay myself.

Posted by: atheist quebecois separatiste at April 4, 2008 6:58 PM

As a supporter of the "knuckledraggers", I take offense to Bobby's comments. I think he should apologize AND lose his job!

How about it CTV

Posted by: Alberta Girl at April 4, 2008 6:59 PM

Vitruvius. Well said.

The problem lies in that the faux-outrage about the tape is naueating and the over the top comments being made by the "outraged" elicits similar over the top replies. Such is the way of the political world.

As I said earlier, the scandal for week 1, April,2008; time to gear up for week 2.

Posted by: Sober2ndThought at April 4, 2008 6:59 PM

What do you think the reaction would be if Mr. Fife had said there were commies in the NDP caucus or the liberal caucus (in fact wasn't Dion once a Marxist?)?
Would people consider that an unacceptably biased/bigoted position for a reporter - someone who is supposed to be even-handed - to take?

Not if was true. And yes,by knuckle-draggers I do mean people who have out-of-date viewpoints in the opinion of many.

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 7:02 PM

I just phoned the CTV number and the person at the CTV National News room refused to give me his name too, "for security reasons". I explained that just a first name would do, to verify, if I needed to later, that I'd actually spoken to the CTV employee on the phone at the time I called. No go.

I pointed out the huge irony of the Lukiwski/Fife situation, re disparaging comments being made about an identifiable group. "I'll pass on your concerns," the man said. I said, "Good-bye, whoever you are."

'Talk about an unprofessional, hypocritical outfit. Like the CHRC, the CTV news room don't seem to have any procedures either . . .

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 7:02 PM

Set aside the cultural and religious bigotry inherent in the term. It's name calling, and dehumanizing. On that basis alone, it has no place in news journalism.

Posted by: Kate at April 4, 2008 7:03 PM

Exactly, Paul. The evolving partisan sound-bite gotcha mentality of what was once considered one of our valuable information resources presents a strategic epistemological problem for our society.

On the other hand, we already see some tactical approaches at hand. Never before has the traditional media been subject to post-hoc analysis as it now is, unless one went into the stacks. Newspapers were gone in days, TV in hours, radio in minutes.

Yet now we have the archives at our fingertips.

And the verdict is clear: They Are Liars.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 7:09 PM

Complaints to CTV will accomplish nothing. However, complaints to CTV's News program sponsors WILL have an effect.

Pay attention to who advertises during CTV's News programs, and then contact that sponsor - their marketing department specifically.

Things will change ONLY if CTV's sponsors start holding them to account. Money talks.

Posted by: shaken at April 4, 2008 7:10 PM

Thank you, Richard!

And surely Fife will have passed the magical 40 year mark, so he will hold this opinion of Social Conservatives, no matter what.

At least that is the new instructive thought that many commentators have opted for today.

Posted by: BB at April 4, 2008 7:10 PM

So let me see if I have the plot right so far.
Aunt Bee finds a tape in Opie's room with swear words on it and turns it over to Barney Fife and then he tells Andy Taylor the sheriff all about it on TV and calls Opie bad names. I see a TV series here.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 4, 2008 7:13 PM

No you do not have it right.
This is not about a fictional TV show.
The is about media fraud. Our media. Liars.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 7:15 PM

Include the URL to the YouTube clip we have here - this is as cut and dried as it comes. "This material is objectionable, and your sponsorship enables production of this disrespect for elected representatives of the Canadian people. This puts your company in a negative light in my household..."

I think some pressure applied to sponsors to have them demand an on air apology from Fife would be entirely appropriate.

Posted by: shaken at April 4, 2008 7:16 PM

I love the repeats, too. Go Strunk and White.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T17tRPxRWe0&feature=related

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 7:16 PM

Note how the two are passing the ball from one to the other and back.
It seem as thought they are masturbating each others word, the orgasm being the hidden agenda.

Posted by: Lev at April 4, 2008 7:24 PM

Hmm, I wonder where Manny went?

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 7:25 PM

I'm a bit slow sometimes, SO:
Were any gays hurt during the making of this party tape?

If any feelings were hurt (notwithstanding the irrelevance of hurt feelings) wasn't the source of the hurting the release of this private tape. Therefore, aren't the NDP and their MSM lapdogs responsible for any hurting in executing this egregious invasion of privacy.

And didn't you just love Lloyd's painfully obvious leading question: "So, Robert, do you think this is PM Harper's worst nightmare?" INSTEAD of say, "Robert, do you think this will have a negative impact on the CPC"?

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at April 4, 2008 7:34 PM

look, manny, you are the one who is promoting 'consequences of your free speech'.

Fife spoke. The consequences are that he's being criticized by many of us, as a bigoted, biased yellow journalist. That's the point.

As for 'knuckle-draggers' referring to out-of-date opinions, how about the big government agenda of the Liberals? That's out of date in Canada because the population is too large for the 1950-60's style centralism. How about Kyotoism? How about universal health care? These are all items from the Liberal and NDP agendas and they are out-of-date. And the separatiste agenda of the Bloc? So, why are the 'knuckle-draggers only among the Conservatives?

The point is, that our news sites and reporters are not operating in a professional manner but are bigoted and biased. Fife's remark was outrageous, effectively branding Conservatives as ignorant non-humans. He's an 'authority figure' in that he is authorized as a newsman, paid to speak in a public broadcast, as an authority on the political situation - and he's defining our government - as made up of ignorant dehumanized people.

He ought to resign or be fired.

Posted by: ET at April 4, 2008 7:41 PM

Here's a link to a CTV report on the "disgraced" MP's comments that is still accepting comments. (Although they're being cleared first by CTV staff.)

How about asking about Robert Fife there, like I just did?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080404/lukiwski_tape_080404/20080404?hub=TopStories

Posted by: andycanuck at April 4, 2008 7:44 PM

Vitruvius, I don’t like to disagree with you, but: did you read the description of the sexual behaviour described by a member of the homosexual community (not me) in the Xtra article I provided?

In the present thread, where hypocrisy and double standards are central, the behaviour of the homosexual community, about which Lukiwski—and by spin and innuendo, the whole Conservative caucus—are being hammered, is most definitely not a side issue. (It seems that you, quite out of character, are positing that truth is no defence. Actually, you seem to be denying the truth.)

The point I'm making is that the mores and norms of the homosexual community are quite offensive to many people—and sometimes, deliberately so—but that community gets a free pass. Also, neither I, nor anyone else here is screaming for blood by demanding apologies from and resignations of people in the homosexual community.

Loki writes, "Criticism of homosexuals seems to be verbotten now despite the well known health consequences of homosexuality. If one excludes IV drug users, >95% of sexually transmitted HIV cases occur in homosexuals. All venereal diseases are orders of magnitude higher in the homosexual population which is not surprising given that having several hundred sexual partners/year is considered ‘normal’ in cities such as Vancouver.”

While homosexuals are now a protected, privileged minority—otherwise this tempest in a teapot would not have occurred (observant Christians, of which I am one, are slandered and libelled on a regular basis in this country)—a lot of the rest of us are vulnerable. The quite vicious attack on Lukiwski and the Conservative caucus has demonstrated such dangerous hypocrisy in spades. I’m concerned about that.

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 7:44 PM

"I am pro gay BTW.... Often I wish i was gay myself."
Posted by: atheist quebecois separatiste


You mean you are pro anal sex? Because that is the image that comes to mind with normal people when they think of gays and perhaps some frail man in heavy make and womens clothing.

I cannot imagine what pro gay means. Perhaps you mean that all people should be gay. You wish you were. What's stopping you? We live in a country where you can be an do pretty much whatever you want. The government will even pay for a sex change if that's your bag.

Your comment is idiotic. My guess is that if you were simply being tolerant or magnanimous, you might have said. I am tolerant to the gay life-style or you think it's fine for same sex people to love each other.

Being pro something usually means that you are in favor of or are rooting for a win of some sort.

You see, most normal people simply try to ignore the abhorrent life-style that you wish you could be part of. That is because most Canadians are polite and tolerant. That certainly doesn't mean we are pro gay. At least in my case, it means if gay people want to do whatever it is they do, they are of course free to doit it, but I would appreciate if they keep it to themselves. Just as I prefer not to see hetro's parading their sexuality because it's simply rude.

Most gays I have met are promiscuous. Gays are promiscuous by nature. The less attractive one's seem to be the one's who want to get married and just run a domestic business like the rest of us. However, there are many flamers out there who just can't stop putting their stuff in everybody's face like juveniles flaunt their droopy pants and ugly tattoos. I mean to say ... what's with the annual sex parades?

Young men will lots of beer don't have much good to say about gay people and that's just part of life. Sixteen years ago Canada was less politically correct than it is nowadays. This whole issue is a tempest in a teapot.

However, Robert Fife is a member of Canada's national new organization and his comments about knucke draggers are another issue entirely.

I see no reason why people have to be pro gay lifestyle if they see it as abhorrent. Half of Canada things it's disgusting to be a Christian.

We live in very confusing and sometimes sickening times.

One last point. It is the conservative government who has recently suggested that if they achieve a majority government they will work to five Quecbec the sovereign status they have been seeking for so long. And that from your anti gay knuckle draggers.

Wise up.

Posted by: John West at April 4, 2008 7:45 PM

TDCANADATRUST is sponsoring videoes on ctv.ca heres a link
http://www.tdcanadatrust.com/custserv/contact.jsp

Posted by: cantuc at April 4, 2008 7:46 PM

Is it any wonder the Chretien / Martin era Liberal government could operate a corrupt regime for more than a decade with CTV, CBC, CanWest Global as the country's "news" disseminator- enablers?

CTV with Lloyd and Fife, last night, sealed their bias with that "knuckledragger" smear of MP conservatives.

They will wear that on air bias smear as long as they live.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at April 4, 2008 7:48 PM

BOB FIFE you're slipping, you forgot to mention goosestepping NAZIS SS GESTAPO Fascists.

Hey lets just have a nice WEIMAR Republic shoot 'em up in the Ottawa streets.

You remember don't you Bob, with:


"Soldiers with guns

In your cities

In Canada

I am not making this up"


Way to be objective there. Aren't journalists not supposed to become the news story or did you forget that little item as well?

What a precious treasure we have in the media.

Sincerely yours,

A Reformed Knuckledragging Cavedweller who drinks beer with Sasquatches on Canadian glaciers.

Yo my little mugwump, where's the brewskies?


Cheers


Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion

2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)

Knecht Rupprecht Division

Hans Corps

1st Saint Nicolaas Army

Army Group “True North”

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at April 4, 2008 7:50 PM

I don't care, Lookout, the topic is not homosexuality, the topic is corrupt media. By focusing on one of your favourite hot-button issues, you are leading with a weak punch. If I may refer to the first comment above, by EBD, "Everyone got their swords sharpened? Got your joints all loose?" If you're stabbing at non-targets in the local battle, never mind the broader war, then you're exposed on your flank.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 7:52 PM

I left commentary at the CTV's site regarding this matter.

I asked the question, How does this compare with Tommy Douglas' masters thesis ideas regarding homosexuals?

and you know what?
The CTV choose not to publish my question!
why would this be?
I can't imagine...

Posted by: marc in calgary at April 4, 2008 7:59 PM

Would Fife's comments be 'likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt'?

And another thing,if Mark Steyn and Macleans are being charged for quoting an Iman in the infamous 'breed like mosquitoes' quote, where does that leave the NDP?
They, after all, are the ones who released this tape.
Oh, wait, the HRC's don't eat their own.
Yet.

Posted by: Stan at April 4, 2008 8:00 PM

My hair is insured with Lloyd's of London

Posted by: Lloyd Robertson of London at April 4, 2008 8:02 PM

While "knuckle-draggers" is derogatory name calling and as such, journalistically unprofessional, it is not a lie to say some are members of the Harper caucus. Social conservative is NOT derogatory, indeed many would proudly declare themselves social conservatives. The hidden agenda is a considered opinion.
And you are quite correct, ET, there will be consequences for that unprofessionalism, and as I said elsewhere, if CTV feels that the heat from the knuckle dragging demographic, then he may resign or be terminated. And so be it. I don't happen to agree that he should be, but I find it strange, ET, that on the one hand you are calling for Fife's head, and on the other, saying that speech should without consequence.

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 8:17 PM

I tried to post the following comment on the CTV Lukiwski's story, last night, and they won't post it. Wonder of wonders!

This 17 year old story or scandal as some of the MSM are calling it is so ridiculous that I won't waste my time to comment on it.

The House of Commons and at least
4 committees are totally dysfunctional. Private members bills are becoming the way laws are made in this country. The official opposition party is one big joke.

The NDP must have taken a few dirt digging lessons from Mark Holland and the Bloc shouldn't even be in Parliament.Paul Martin is off in never, never land somewhere. All this at our, the taxpayers,expense.

Harper can't go to the Governor General because of the fixed election date and Dion is not going to bring down the Government until his 'divine' right to be Prime Minister is achievable in his mind!!

I think its time for the average Canadian citizen to email the Governor General and ask her to
dissolve this mockery of a parliament. Maybe if she got 5 or 6 million emails it would set the
wheels into motion.

Today:- After todays developments on this story and the apology in the house I would say end of story. But I see the liberals jumping on this like a buck in the rut with no regard to a man livelong career. I thinks it's time for Harper to talk to the Governor General and put Dion out of his misery. If the NDP loose seats then Layton is gone, Dion will be gone and I believe the Bloc leader will be gone.

Posted by: Peter at April 4, 2008 8:19 PM

Still no sign of Manny.
Oh well, look on the bright side, I always say.
That's one less festering pustulent boil to lance.
I love annoyances that go away when you ignore them.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 8:23 PM

manny is young.
He (she) has no concept of journalism.There is a whole generation that has is growing up with biased media.
manny...do your homewrk now.

Posted by: bluetech at April 4, 2008 8:30 PM

Vitruvius, I know what the topic is. So, we'll have to agree--or I will--to disagree.

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 8:35 PM

Anyone ( Richard ) youtubed that CBC airheads comments after the recent by-elections equating voting Liberal as a sign of intelligence ? I'm sure many here could add their faves ......as Trey would say ..... it's time for a MONTAGE .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 4, 2008 8:36 PM

Such unprofessional conduct from Robert Fife.

Unhinged. Unfiltered. Unacceptable.

"Knuckle draggers". How original. Never heard that one before!

Wonder if I could get in trouble for calling Robert Fife a "limp-wrister" or a "rope sucker"? What's the difference? Oh, yes... I'm not a professional TV network journalist! Fife is! Big, fat, hairy difference!

Besides, Robert Fife looks like a Nazi... ever notice? Picture him in one of those uniforms, perhaps as Goebbels's top assistant...

Hey, Bobby, why don't you just get a blog so you can spew your nonsensical drivel there, instead of on national television, posing as a legitimate, professional journalist?

Schmuck. Schmeckel. Tatalah.

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at April 4, 2008 8:39 PM

How dare anyone utter such meanspirited remarks about gay persons? No wonder the PC press is all over these 'hatemongering' stories and thus not hesitating to righteously smear all conservatives by attacking 'some' as 'knuckledraggers'.

In contrast,I see it is acceptable to our media to be arrested buying the ingredients to build a massive bomb to murder fellow Canadians and conspire to behead a conservative PM because those same myopic individuals in the press would rather just pretend this whole incident never REALLY happened than explore the story in the least.
That might upset a muslim or two.

Hypocrisy,where is thy sting?

Posted by: Canadian Observer at April 4, 2008 8:41 PM

Marc in Calgary: So the CTV didn't publish an inconvenient comment, yet I get blasted by leftists for deleting their hostile, irrelevant, off-topic comments on my site? What's the difference? Is if ok for the MSM to censor, but not bloggers???

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at April 4, 2008 8:44 PM

There are many things we agree on, Lookout, and I always value your comments, even when I occasionally disagree with your particular conjecture, so, for now, yes, let's agree to disagree on this one. I offer you my best wishes.

Note to referees: Sentinal, Goodwin's Law, red card.

Argghh.. yes, act like the people you are criticizing, that will help your cause.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 8:45 PM

perhaps Mr. Fife deserves to be hauled before a "human rights" commission...

Posted by: john brown at April 4, 2008 8:46 PM

Vitruvius, in your cups again?

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 8:47 PM

It is remarkable how that MSM spins the CPC Caucus' discipline as a bad thing. It all plays into the "hidden agenda" spiel. Just because the CPC suffers one tenth of the idiotic displays of the other parties, especially the Libs, it is because Stephen Harper's Stalin like iron fisted discipline. I always thought that a disciplined team was a good thing. At least that is what I strive for in the sports teams that I coach.

Posted by: Gus at April 4, 2008 8:52 PM

Shades of Elinor Caplan,who proclaimed that the reform party was made up of 'bigots,racists and holocaust deniers'.That is acceptable as it is targetted at the right.Fife's comments will be deemed acceptable also,for the same reason. We are the last acceptable punchline that is allowed by the HRC's of Canada..

Posted by: wallyj at April 4, 2008 8:53 PM

Best wishes accepted, with pleasure, Vitruvius--and reciprocated. Thanks.

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 8:59 PM

no, manny, I'm not saying that speech should be without consequence. You simply don't get it. I'm saying that freedom of speech is primary, and I, the speaker can accept or not accept the consequences of his speech.

So, I call you bigoted for saying that 'it is not a lie' (ie it's true) that there are 'knuckle draggers' in Harper's caucus. You are saying that their opinions can be viewed in a derogatory manner. That's bigotry on your part. Just as it is bigotry on Fife's part.

Equally, you ignore the 'out of date' views in other parties. Why? You are biased.

The point is, the MSM is heavily biased against the Conservatives and has, indeed, descended into yellow journalism.

I am fed up with the endless, endless speculation about 'When Will There Be An Election'. That's all that Duffy and Newman can talk about; the agenda (hidden) is to return the Liberals to Power. Their disdain for Dion is only because he isn't up to that task.

They utterly ignore the accomplishments of the Harper govt; their focus is only on how to create the conditions for an election.
Or, their focus is to assist the Liberals/NDP in constant endless smear campaigns against Harper.

Each week, it's another try. Mulroney-Schreiber, with their attempting to link Harper into it. That failed. Cadman - that's gone; Nafta - that's gone. Now this. It's endless; the MSM spends hours and hours on it.

The print MSM are equally involved. How about that front page headline of the Globe the other day, informing us that Harper wanted to open the constitution for the benefit of Quebec. Factual? No; the MP quoted has said absolutely nothing of the sort. But the G&M headline was a different story.

As for the accomplishments - nothing. Silence.

Our MSM are revealing themselves as mired in unprofessionalism, as hacks of the Liberals, and as unprofessional.

That's why we need blogs in Canada. Because our so-called professional news sources have moved into unprofessional behaviour.

Posted by: ET at April 4, 2008 9:00 PM

Yellow, ET? Looks like crimson from here (must be that western sun).

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 9:07 PM

We need to find out what type of counter-tops this Fife character has!!!!

Posted by: Mr.EX-President at April 4, 2008 9:10 PM

no, manny, I'm not saying that speech should be without consequence.

manny - there's no such thing as a linear 'consequence of speech'.
Posted by: ET at April 3, 2008 7:27 PM

I stand corrected.

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 9:13 PM

Learn to read manny.

Posted by: molarmauler at April 4, 2008 9:15 PM

Fife forgot to mention that the knuckle draggers with the hidden agendas were also mouth breathers. Was my sarcasm showing?

In a two or so minute or so news clip, Fife managed to sum up the Liberal paranoia quite nicely. Too bad he didn't mention the many cases of bombastic Liberal foot in mouth disease that outraged Canadians. I guess Carolyn Parrish calling the US President a bastard doesn't count...

Posted by: On-Tory-O at April 4, 2008 9:17 PM

outraged Canadians. I guess Carolyn Parrish calling the US President a bastard doesn't count...
========
most Canadians agreed with this actually...even more so now.

Posted by: Mr.EX-President at April 4, 2008 9:18 PM

Grrrrrrrr, I'm so angry I could squeeze a grape and pretend it was, well never mind.

Time to demand Fife's resignation and demand he name the "knuckle-draggers" and have his ass hauled to the courts. There's got to be a line crossed here even for these journalists well past their prime.
He's leaving a cloud over the whole Conservative Party with those remarks

Posted by: Liz J at April 4, 2008 9:19 PM

Sentinel:
"Knuckle draggers". How original. Never heard that one before!"

Fife had an overnight call/some coaching from the Punk as to what slanderous words to use.

Here is Jeancula and the Punk:

The Urban Bigot
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/006185.html

Posted by: maz2 at April 4, 2008 9:20 PM

"Knuckle draggers". How original. Never heard that one before!"

Snorin' Kinsella, he of the PanzerPaper - Toilet Division Armored Bridgade, uses it often along with "mouth-breather".

Achtung.

Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at April 4, 2008 9:24 PM

I sent CTV this:(for what it's worth)

Dear Sirs,

I'd rather deal with a "knuckle dragging conservative" any day than a smarmy knuckle dragging liberal who swings with the polling compass day to day.

Robert Fife is an idiot.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
Liberals in a nutshell.

Posted by: LEDA at April 4, 2008 9:43 PM

And this from the national news that has the most conservative bias! Ha ha. Hard to take, eh? Betcha Don Newman really went for the jugular!

You all are in a tizz about this. Relax, Poppa Harper might not be too mad -- about losing his limelight to such ridiculous shenanigans. Oh wait -- my bad, he's gonna be mucho angry and the poop's gonna fly. This is , as Bob Fife said, "Harper's worst nightmare."

Meantime, I confess, I have a dirty crush on Robert Fife.

Posted by: MJ Patchouli at April 4, 2008 9:44 PM

Sounds like hate speech to me. I'm Conservative and I don't like what Fife said. I think I'll complain to the Ontario Human Rights commission about Fife's hateful speech.

Posted by: Rick at April 4, 2008 9:49 PM

Don Newman? Never mind. Over the last couple of
years, he's decided he wants to be the Heather Mallick of
the right. Nobody pays any attention to him anymore, just
like nobody's ever payed any attention to Heather Mallick.

Well, at least, nobody who matters.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 9:49 PM

If you're a (L)liberal, it's OK to be a name-calling bigot? Is that it?

Because I'm still waiting for apologies from various Liberals who have been insulting Christians and Pro-Life advocates for years.

Oh, I forgot, it's OK to insult Christians.

What an effed up country we live in.

Not to worry...Stephane will stumble again shortly and we'll be laughing at the Liberals again soon. Try all you want, Bob Fife, the story is how desperate you and the Libs really are. Your dirty bias is showing.

Posted by: Soccermom at April 4, 2008 9:51 PM

"Call CTV News Toronto at 416-332-7400 and express your outrage.

I smell FEAR!"
Called at 9:20. The 'male voice' on the other end told me to note the time as the 'managers' would be able to identify the call and would know about my objection. He also told me he was a manager but declined to identify himself. Or his manager.
Told the unidentified male voice I found Fifes comment about knuckle-draggers offensive. He told me he was familiar with the comment. We spoke some more, and he again declined to id himself. After putting me on hold, no doubt for instructions, I was assured the outrage would be passed along.
Not really sure how he knew I was from Saskatchewan.

Posted by: Dana at April 4, 2008 10:02 PM

I love the sound of conservatives whining in the morning. It sounds like....hypocrisy.

Posted by: truewest at April 4, 2008 10:03 PM

And I emailed them with a link to this thread.
news?

Posted by: Dana at April 4, 2008 10:06 PM

Sudden Memory Recovery:

I keep thinking my personal ban on Canadian TV "news" started with that CBC crockumentary ridiculing Stockwell Day for his religious beliefs -- just before an election.

However, I believe the ban originated with CTV election coverage. In Vancouver, turned on the TV when the polls closed only to see Lloyd Robertson and confreres grinning from ear to ear -- partying almost -- exclaiming that [their party!!!] the Liberals had won another majority. I'll never forget the shock of such blatant biased coverage.

I consume NO Canadian MSM radio or TV news. Period. Without this blog, I just wouldn't know about these stories at all. Not sure if that's a good thing, but a mental health programme trumps all, eh?

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at April 4, 2008 10:07 PM

Another lost guppy...

I love the sound of conservatives whining in the morning. It sounds like....hypocrisy.
Posted by: truewest at April 4, 2008 10:03 PM

hey skippy, pst... it's still the evening.

Posted by: ldd at April 4, 2008 10:08 PM

What hypocrisy, Truewest? The hypocrites are the leftists, what with their spewing such hateful epithets. Hurtful. Leftists must be thrown out of their virtual caucus, or else their Leader will be blasted by the MSM as all sorts of bad stuff...

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at April 4, 2008 10:09 PM

Ah Hannibal Lectern, have a look Smearella's blog today. Now we all know he's a bigtime Nazi hunter but now has taken on a new crusade, other lawyers. More proof libs eat their own.

I just have one question about someone who gleefully trashes a lawyer who defends Nazi's and Holocaust-deniers but never a word about lawyers who defend murderers, rapists or child molesters. Oops, that would be almost all the rest of 'em I suppose. Just wonderin'.

Posted by: Sounder at April 4, 2008 10:11 PM

To a degree, MND, yet recall that Plato said that:
"The price good men pay for indifference to public
affairs is to be ruled by evil men."

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 10:13 PM

BREAKING!!

Apparently Lukiwski voted against SSM. This apparently was unknown until now.

Great research by the Canadian Press. I am in awe!!

Posted by: Bart F. at April 4, 2008 10:17 PM

Rick, only leftards have the moral authority to define what hate speech is plus anyone challenging that is a hate-speecher.

Posted by: Sounder at April 4, 2008 10:17 PM

Dana,

I'm sure by now the 306 numbers have become notorious at CTV for belonging to 'those knuckle dragging Saskatchewan callers'

Posted by: K Stricker at April 4, 2008 10:20 PM

(MND, I only hear CBC news because I listen to Radio 2--for now: CBC's canning all its classical programs. CBC also canned most of its on-the-hour news a while ago. Today, as I tried not to listen to the Lukiwski fiction hour by hour, I wished CBC has cancelled ALL of its radio news. What an assault CBC's propaganda is. I don't watch CBC TV.)

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 10:20 PM

(I'm surprised my above comment got through: after posting, I saw a screen I'd never seen before--not Kate's--that said my comments had been screened or something. ???)

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 10:23 PM

K, I asked the unidentified male voice if it was caller id that told him I was from Saskatchewan but he would not even admit that.
lookout, I have been listening in on the channels my tax dollars support, and I do like the non-commercial aspect of the fm, but the am news is difficult to listen to.
'yelling at the radio' is why I kept coming back here not only for Kates writing but the comments.

Posted by: Dana at April 4, 2008 10:33 PM

Melissa Fung's covered this growing scandal on The National tonight, introduced at the top of the hour as "Under Fire -- A Saskatchewan MP faces growing outrage over a gay slur.."

Here's the condensed version:

"Anti-gay..anger...outrage... accused prime minister Harper of condoning bigotry... shocking... people don't change... if you think that then, you're going to think that now.... does the prime minister realize that his tepid response to these hateful remarks against gays and Canadians suffering from AIDS tells Canadians that hate, bigotry and prejudice are just fine in his Canada.... hurtful and intolerant.... another indication of Conservative values..Melissa Fung, CBC News."

Posted by: EBD at April 4, 2008 10:34 PM

The biggest hypocrites are the 'outraged' Libs and Dippers who have said scummy stuff while at parties that didn't get on video for the MSM to use...yet.

Posted by: bluetech at April 4, 2008 10:34 PM

Dana, I'd have flung my slippers or worse at the radio today if there weren't a very nice table lamp between me and it.

As for CBC TV, fung Melissa Fung and her ilk!

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 10:40 PM

"Call CTV News Toronto at 416-332-7400 and express your outrage.


I just called at 10:40pm Est to complain and I was "assured" by the unidentified man, to whom I spoke, that he would definitely pass it on to his bosses. Ya.....riiiggghht. Well I tried anyways.

Call now and complain!!!

Posted by: Finn at April 4, 2008 10:45 PM

lookout: Yeah, Radio2 with me too. And indeed I'm noticing the gutting of classical music programming. My daughter -- a professional violist living in NYC -- believes, with me, that CBC Radio2 classical music programming might be the very best in the world.
Ah, yes, now I remember that buzzword from the early 70s teacher-training: RELEVANCE. The CBC is becoming cool/relevant, HIP, going for the youth market. The Signal!!! The superb Rick Phillips' Sound Advice is gone!
Today, I heard about 4 words of that MP's grovel in Parliament but being on a quiet residential street I was able to get if off safely!

Vitruvius: Funnily enough, I just finished (ET's suggestion) Karl Popper's The Open Society and Its Enemies. Vol.1 is a devastating critique of Plato, the totalitarian. Strangely, I feel I know a lot more about Canadian public affairs since my ban on MSM "news"; I'm also often shocked to learn how little some of my acquaintances know about public affairs from over-reliance on MSM. Do a poll sometime and discover how few know anything about the HRC travesty.

I'm very poor on the letter/e-mailing front however. This is something I'd like to improve on instead of relying on more proactive people like lookout, batb, and others. I would be a natural as I can be one major pain when I set my mind to it (a skill, honed over years dealing with a securities commission).

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at April 4, 2008 10:53 PM

Sadly, MAILER-DAEMON@mail28.ctv.ca has bounced my email to the crack news? team at ctv.ca [newsonline@ctv.ca] I will try to email Mike Duffy at duffy@ctv.ca

What I sent was the failed email and this:

Hi Mike
Apparently the email address on ctv's state of the art web offering for the 'CTV.ca News Team: newsonline@ctv.ca' is not a valid email address.
Perhaps yours works.
Robert Fife called people like me a faggot on your broadcast. Knuckle-dragger is no less an epithet and he said it with no visible restraint even relish, imho, and in fact he has the support of the progressive media in demeaning rednecks, crackers, and all the other euphemisms for white men. Are rednecks legitimate targets in the msm?
Will he retract these statements and apologize? Do you think he should?
Dana
ps this is all on a thread at SDA
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/008420.html#comments

Posted by: Dana at April 4, 2008 11:00 PM

Complaining to CTV directly is useless folks. The way to apply leverage is through their revenue streams. Talk to their commerical sponsors. Express your opinions to their sponsors.

Posted by: shaken at April 4, 2008 11:03 PM

I do find Fife a bit over-the-top. There was another issue (probably Cadman) on which he was carrying on as though he alone is the arbiter of public morals. He preaches. It's absurd. He invariably offers a one-dimensional analysis of whatever situation, and I find he frequently just parrots whatever journalistic scuttlebut is going on an issue. In my mind, he is not a very thoughtful journalist. My comments are not a knee-jerk left-right reaction to his news coverage -- there are some journalists on the left that I do think offer thoughtful analysis -- not Fife. It's amazing he has got as far as he has.

Posted by: LindaL at April 4, 2008 11:07 PM

There they go again.

CTV with genial, affable Lloyd. A short overview by Robert Fife. The calls for the MP's resignation.

The big mistake possibly being made here is of continuing apologies. You should not give the sharks circling a prey any more tit bits.

In this our American friends may be leading the way. Some of them have given it back in spades. Hopefully the whole thing will blow over.

Posted by: Peter(Lock City) at April 4, 2008 11:10 PM

Knuckledraggers in the Conservative party. eh? What about the commmunists in the Liberal party and their hidden agenda. Oh, whats that, no comment? Snicker, snicker, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Oh Fifie wfie your such a shrew! Figured as much! What's the use, where's my greencard and direct TV remote.

Posted by: jckirlan at April 4, 2008 11:11 PM

I never thought, EBD, that the CBC of my youth would one day fail to even live up to the standards of the National Enquirer, and now this. I can forgive a lot in love, war, and politics, but when a whole organization flushes basic decency down the toilet, completely ignoring the titular issue at hand?

Yes ladies and gentlemen, step right up, three for a dollar, blatant ad hominems, grandiose innuendos, and prurient gossip; no, don't worry about your civilization folks, wallow in the mud with us.

Come on little boy, they say, wanna' candy?

(PS to MND: I too vastly prefer Aristotle and Pythagoras to Plato; that does not, at least for me, distract from the brilliance of that particular aphorism of which to him has been attributed.)

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 11:13 PM

If people don't change does that mean that Liberals will always be stealing our money in brown paper bags if they ever get re-elected? Shouldn't Sven Robinson be locked up somewhere for stealing a diamond? He's over 40 when he sto;e that diamond ring. Heh?

Posted by: Glenn at April 4, 2008 11:14 PM

MND, I altogether approve of your becoming a royal pain to some lefty, or other person, who deserves it: the sooner the better. Go for it!

(I wrote Rick Phillips of Sound Advice when I learned of the demise of his wonderful program. God knows—and probably doesn’t want to!—what execrable inanity, with ditzy, noisy, self-referential host[ess], will replace this erudite and most entertaining—and helpful—program and host. I also wrote the CBC blog and gave them HELL, which 98% of the other posters did too.)

Now, back to this topic: today I wrote Lukiwski—about his grovelling and sissy apology. Go and do something likewise!

Posted by: lookout at April 4, 2008 11:15 PM

Fife is a liberal and liberalism is just an excuse for bad behavior

call CTV and demand a retraction from Fife - or better yet, send Robert Fife an e-mail directly and give him a piece of your mind

rfife@ctv.ca


Posted by: Brad at April 4, 2008 11:20 PM

It shows how much I watch Canadian news. I didn't even kow who this asshole Fife was.

No wonder he's got such a soft spot for homos, did you hear his voice?

It was so high pitched and effeminate if he were on the radio I would have thought he was a woman.

gawwd I hate journalists. These people are a bunch of useless wastes of space.

Posted by: john at April 4, 2008 11:21 PM

..of which to him has been attributed.

Knew it. You ARE 3 sheets to the wind.

Posted by: manny at April 4, 2008 11:26 PM

You hate journalists, John? All journalists? I'm just asking because if so, then I should like to note that I don't agree with you. There are and have been many great journalists. Besides, I don't hate, it's a waste of energy, just ask Sun Tzu. Remember that no matter how rich or poor your harvest, separating the wheat from the chaff is your problem, not nature's.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 4, 2008 11:31 PM

RE the xtra comment: "You probably know someone who's turned a trick too. [Don’t YOU?]" Oh my gosh -- I don't think I do know anybody who has "turned a trick or too" (sic AND sick) I think I am relieved that the Harper government is looking at ensuring that tax payers money is not going to subsidize films for these folks. Let's hope that bill passes.

Posted by: LindaL at April 4, 2008 11:34 PM

Shaken - you are on the right track suggesting that we e-mail the sponsers and tell them that we will be boycotting their goods if CTV does not demand an apology from Fife and Robertson.

A old party tape is just that - and I am sure more old party tapes from other political events will surface - if the Dippers and Puffins and msm are so offended by this old tape imagine how they will feel when the tape has pictures of media types ridiculing other people? They apparently do not like cowboys (ranchers), Conrade Black, President Bush...and from the olden days...Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, Ronald Regan, Arnold Swartzniger, farmers in chains (for selling their own wheat), Preston Manning, Ralph Kline, Anne Cools.....the list never ends....Duffy looked nervous when he mentioned the ol Press gangs parties....

Some people might wish that what happened in the past would stay in the past.

Excellent job with the Fife 'tape' Richard!

Anyone know what happened to the Grewal tape?

Posted by: Jema54 at April 4, 2008 11:42 PM

Vitruvius
Have you read Cayce's over 14,000 readings. Note they are not on your site.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 4, 2008 11:43 PM

Vitruvius, what disturbs me more than the professional malfeasance of Fife, is the corporate linkages behind it all. Something is very wrong when the public spectrum is so significantly biased in favor one one particular political party. There is little that we can do about that, other than take note and remain observant.

Fife, on the other hand, seems unconcerned with the prospects of a Conservative majority government, which would no doubt find some way to "reward him". He is either extremely confident of the effectiveness of the "information" cocoon woven around "vote rich" Ontario, or, is at his career's end and does not care about consequences.

Whatever the case, your sanguine attitude through this episode is noted, and applauded. Besides, you have exquisite musical taste - something about which we must confabulate some day.

Posted by: shaken at April 4, 2008 11:45 PM

John@11:21;

As for his voice, what does that matter? If he is in fact gay, how would this be germaine to the discussion? The answers are it doesn't matter at all.

What matters is that an alleged reporter is acting as an editorialist. He is guilty of the same stereotyping that he derides ALL conservatives for. The vitriol dripping from his words were a sickening display of partisianship. As such HE has no credibility and should be censured.

Fife is a shill for the Liberal Party and should be right in line for an immediate demotion. Human interest stories out of, oh I don't know, Dawson City perhaps. But that won't happen. Watch for his immediate appointment to the Senate, should the Libs get back into power.

Posted by: Sober2ndThought at April 4, 2008 11:49 PM

As a Canadian taxpayer I am pissed off that these fuc*king Assh**les would pick on Canadian faggots that way. We are a tolerant society, and these leftist son of a bit*ches need to be imprisoned individually as the “Man of honor” at the next liberal queer party convention in Ottawa, then sent for sensitivity training once they’ve healed!!! Bast*rd’s!

Posted by: knight 99 at April 4, 2008 11:50 PM

I agree, Vitruvius, it's all those things you say. It's unnerving, almost, to see political operatives who have access to the airwaves, under a fraudulent clock of journalism, and that this anti-Conservative enterprise costs taxpayers, including Conservative taxpayers, *billions* of dollars.

BTW, should make clear that the quotes in my comment above aren't all Fung. The line "Does the prime minister realize that his tepid response to these hateful remarks against gays and Canadians suffering from AIDS tells Canadians that hate, bigotry, and prejudice are all just fine in his Canada?" was from a clip of -- a very well groomed, I must admit -- Scott -- and his skin is smooth, very smooth, almost creamy, compared to Litiwski's, on the frightening zoom in they displayed on screen from the video -- Scott Brison.

The "hurtful and intolerant and another indication of Conservative attitudes" quote was from Donna Smith of the SFLSPC (Saskatchewan Federation of Labour Solidarity and Pride Committee).

The "It's kind of shocking" was from a man on the street. The "I don't know if he should be a member of parliament..." was from a woman on the street. The "People don't change; like, if you think that then..." quote was from another young woman on the street.

Funny how in a country crawling with people full of invective about the criminal tendencies and connections and arrogance of the LPC, the CBC never managed to edit those people into any reports. What odds? There's a lot of people whose views are reflected by some of the comments on this thread who'd have quite a lot to say about the Liberals, and about CBC. Surely the reporters must run into such Canadians fairly frequently when they're asking questions on the street. So how come those people never make it to air?

BTW, PS, wrt the Fife video, check this out: Floyd only gets as far as "Well Bob, some people are saying..." and Fife is already nodding in confirmation -- "yup, yup, that's right, they sure are, absolutely, people really are saying what you're about to say.."

Typical set-play propaganda.

Posted by: EBD at April 4, 2008 11:50 PM

Manny: "but I find it strange, ET, that on the one hand you are calling for Fife's head, and on the other, saying that speech should without consequence." I think what is being requested is a bit of even-handedness on the part of journalists as an aspect of their professional responsibility -- I think that is rather different from (and not at all inconsistent with) supporting freedom of expression in the public domain.

Posted by: LindaL at April 5, 2008 12:05 AM

Indeed, EBD, as you say, "Typical set-play propaganda".

Your point, Shaken, is, I think, well taken. No, not your kind words, that's not for me to say, rather on the degree of culpability in these matters that must be shouldered by the corporatists. I live in the engineering services market. You couldn't ask for a more honestly competitive meritocratic market environment.

Yet over and over again, we see the corporatists and the plutocrats corrupting the free market, and never more so than when their product is or has become detached from reality. If the CBC was in charge of our sewers, they would by now have been shut down for crony incompetence. Fortunately, people can smell inadequately disposed-of sewage.

Unfortunately, too many people can't smell inadequately disposed of attempts to perpetrate unjustified power and unearned benefits. Thus we are overrun as usual by a never-ending parade of fraud artists, snake-oil salesmen, and general-purpose all-round shysters.

The only generic advice I have is: don't panic. Panic is never good.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 5, 2008 12:10 AM

The only way Tom Lukiwski will get absolution and forgiveness from the liberals and the media is if he performs a live sex act on nation wide television with Bob Fife and Scott Brisson . I sincerely hope they manage to keep Mike Duffy out of the picture .

Posted by: cantuc at April 5, 2008 12:11 AM

John: "It shows how much I watch Canadian news. I didn't even kow who this asshole Fife was.No wonder he's got such a soft spot for homos, did you hear his voice?It was so high pitched and effeminate if he were on the radio I would have thought he was a woman. gawwd I hate journalists. These people are a bunch of useless wastes of space."

Sorry Johnny, you're out of line. We are talking about hypocracy and double standards and bias. Your remarks are just hateful.

Posted by: Paul at April 5, 2008 12:15 AM

CTV really has their shorts in a wringer over this. I wrote three comments on their site and none were posted.

Perhaps it was because I mentioned the hypocracy of the NDP regarding the core values espoused by Tommy Douglas in relation to the word "faggot" used by Tom Lukiwski.

We desperately need a Canadian version of Fox to put an end to the control the media has.

Posted by: Gypsy at April 5, 2008 12:19 AM

Sent to TD/Canada Trust

As a corporate sponsor of CTV News, I think you need be concerned with the characterization of me, a TD customer, by CTV 'reporter' Robert Fife. Mr. Fife referred to me, a socially conservative Canadian, as a "knuckledragger". In referring to personal remarks by a Sask. MP, Mr. Fife then smeared all supporters of the Conservative party as being unsophisticated and neanderthal like, in our beliefs. This is unacceptable.

I have been a customer of TD for nearly thirty years both personally and corporately. I maintain substantial balances at all timea and have paid off several mortgages. It would seem Mr. Fife feels my money in TD is always welcome, but that I should keep my personal views closeted.

Mr. Fife and CTV are being hypocritical and unfair. BTW, if the statement was 'hurtful' to homosexuals, the NDP would not have made it public. After all, if there was no publicity, there would be no hurt. But no. But earning points was politically expedient and well worth hurting the very people of whom they claim to be protective. Again, hypocrites.

Posted by: No Guff at April 5, 2008 12:21 AM

Edgar Cayce? This Edgar Cayce: "For forty-three years of his adult life, Edgar Cayce demonstrated the uncanny ability to put himself into some kind of self-induced sleep state by lying down on a couch, closing his eyes, and folding his hands over his stomach. This state of relaxation and meditation enabled him to place his mind in contact with all time and space. From this state he could respond to questions as diverse as, "What are the secrets of the universe?" to "How can I remove a wart?" His responses to these questions came to be called "readings" and contain insights so valuable that even to this day individuals have found practical help for everything from maintaining a well-balanced diet and improving human relationships to overcoming life-threatening illnesses and experiencing a closer walk with God."

No, I think not, life is too short to drink bad wine.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 5, 2008 12:21 AM

"Sorry Johnny, you're out of line" Thanks for the response Paul.

Yes, my remarks were hateful. I HATE journalists.

I think the vast majority of journalists for publications or broadcasters in medium to large cities in North America are useless, know-nothing, self righteous blowhards who only went into journalism because they had no drive or talent for anything else.

Robert Fife is a prime example. Objectivity is obviously a quality that requires too much effort or self discipline for him so he doesn't bother. Typical.

Posted by: john at April 5, 2008 12:30 AM

I don’t mean to sound insensitive……….But shouldn’t the liberal left personally look after the aids infected gays and Africans?

I mean they are the only one’s who care really, why should every one else pay for their bad behavior and ignorance?

Call it natural selection! I’m game for that……Why are we forced to pay against a successfully strong conservative way of thought and opinion? They have unprotected gay sex or use dirty needles or can’t balance a mortgage and it’s our fucking problem??? Enough of these useless turds on society go to hell worm meat (in the most vile Christian sense of the term I could imagine). Bite me you useless, pathetic creatures that natural selection would have cleansed the planet from long ago, saved only by conservative societies construction and then neglect of reason through comfort and complacency!

Again I hope I don’t offend and come across as insensitive to the useless lefty drags on humanity, but die and go away pleeeeease.
Africa is lost to humanity regardless of how much of my money you pump into its illiterate, cannibalistic dictatorships, you fucking assholes!

Posted by: Knight 99 at April 5, 2008 12:33 AM

181. Spreading false news-Every one who wilfully publishes a statement, tale or news that he knows is false and that causes or is likely to cause injury or mischief to a public interest is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
and then there is section 183. Invasion of Privacy and more particularily 193.(1) Disclosure of information

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 5, 2008 12:38 AM

That's too bad for you, John. When you recover, you may wish to study the works of Robert Fulford, Rex Murphy, Christie Blatchford, Mark Steyn, oh what's the point? The list goes on. Everone who is well read has their favourite authours. If you can't separate the wheat from the chaff, you don't eat.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 5, 2008 12:39 AM

Lookout: "(I'm surprised my above comment got through: after posting, I saw a screen I'd never seen before--not Kate's--that said my comments had been screened or something. ???)" Yes, I am getting these screens all the time now -- whereas I did not previously. I don't know what the issue is, but it is frustrating as it interferes somewhat with one's ability to participate in a discussion.

Posted by: LindaL at April 5, 2008 12:43 AM

A murder case in Canada was stated as being solved by Cayce. Evidence of this should exist somewhere.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 5, 2008 12:43 AM

If I was a Doctor who publishes anything to do with the gay population like Dr. Lorraine Day did back in the 90,s out of San Fransicko, I would be very worried for telling the truth about a certian lifestyle...try and find her book, she was the head of orthopedics at San Fran General, Good Luck. The boys from Sask were having a good time telling the truth, and that name with the ski at the end sounds like it could be Uke in origin, oh my was an actual Uke in the crowd as there was fun being made of a Uke , go to hell you NDPeers and Lieberals Libranos Fiberals whatever.

Posted by: bartinsky at April 5, 2008 12:44 AM

John: I'm reacting to the effeminate part.

I agree with you on "progressive" journalists, but I don't hate them. Like it was said ... it's a waste of energy.

I'd rather combat them in the battle of ideas ... which I think we are slowly winning thanks to the new media. There are many decent journalists out there ... you've got to look for the needles in the haystack :)

Posted by: Paul at April 5, 2008 12:45 AM

Aha! So it is still there! Thanks Edgar, I've been meaning to hunt down that clause for the last few weeks. For the record again, folks, that's from the Criminal Code, section 181, "Spreading False News":

"Every one who wilfully publishes a statement, tale or news that he knows is false and that causes or is likely to cause injury or mischief to a public interest is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years."

R.S., c. C-34, s. 177.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 5, 2008 12:49 AM

Paul, - my last word - it's getting late.

He fires a low blow with "knuckle draggers". I hit back with "effeminate". Fire with fire my friend. Have a good night.

Posted by: john at April 5, 2008 12:52 AM

Understood, John, yet he is not them.

You have a good night yourself, too, sir.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 5, 2008 12:55 AM

Joseph Pulitzer, The North American Review (May, 1904)

Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together. An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. The power to mould the future of the Republic will be in the hands of the journalists of future generations.

Posted by: ural at April 5, 2008 1:01 AM

Let's see, "knuckle draggers", "hidden agenda", "iron discipline", "social conservatives".

No media bias here. No siree.

Posted by: Bill Strong at April 5, 2008 1:07 AM

Yes, Ural, and don't forget that Aristotle said that "Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms". Meanwhile, civilization advances, three steps forward, two steps back. That's the whole shtick Zeno didn't grok. Yes, there's an infinate number steps, yet since each step in the limit is infinately small, the integral remains finite.

Or as Albert Camus wrote, "I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain! One always finds one's burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night filled mountain, in itself forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.'

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 5, 2008 1:15 AM

Why are you so mad about Bob Fife's comments?
If you believe Lukiwski is telling the truth - aren't Fife's comments also inherently honest?

Posted by: Simon at April 5, 2008 1:17 AM

Sez Fife:

"Oh, but some of my best friends are conservatives.
(But I wouldn't want my sister to marry one.)"

Posted by: Imethisguy at April 5, 2008 1:20 AM

I am fed up with the endless, endless speculation about 'When Will There Be An Election'.

From http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-whyspeculate.html

"In recent years, media has increasingly turned away from reporting what has happened to focus on speculation about what may happen in the future. Paying attention to modern media is thus a waste of time."

Oh dear, now I realize I might have posted this link here before. It's a good read anyway.

Posted by: PiperPaul at April 5, 2008 1:20 AM

Simon, I am not mad about bobs comment, mad is a feeling, and what I think is that bob uses knuckle-dragger like others use faggot and he does it on a news? program. That makes him a hypocrite posing as a journalist, flinging mud at the viewers. What I want is a media that reports the facts, and puts all the opinion on the editorial page, where it belongs.
No response from Mike Duffy yet.
"Call CTV News Toronto at 416-332-7400 and express your outrage."

Posted by: Dana at April 5, 2008 1:29 AM

You cannot defame a public interest political party by one members private actions which the public possibly had no right to see unless he gave permission. Give permission.... The peeping Tom at a party.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 5, 2008 1:30 AM

Is Larbor now wanting to use the possible illicit tape to lever a benefit? This just keeps growing and growing.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 5, 2008 1:39 AM

What about free speech?

Posted by: Quimby at April 5, 2008 1:43 AM

Ahenakew possibly new he was talking to a news reporter who may report what he said. The individuals in this recording possibly had the expectation no one would see the tape. No permission given. Could be spreading hate.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 5, 2008 1:56 AM

The news has reported the Gay community is up in arms over this tape. The NDP may have built their own case against themselves by releasing the tape. Keep stirring the pot NDP.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 5, 2008 2:04 AM

Vitruvius,

I must refrain from retorting ... as Yoda said "Never post after a few brews having".

Posted by: ural at April 5, 2008 2:05 AM

Excellent work CPC soldiers!!! The bigger the spotlight on this mess the more exposure Tom Lukiwski's comments get. I'll wager knuckledragger against Lukiwski's f**got/aids/dirty coming for me comment any day when considering the general electorate.

By all means lets get this repeated as much as possible! Onwards!

Posted by: A.Political at April 5, 2008 2:14 AM

Understood, Ural, yet I'm not so sure how far to push that, because as H. L. Mencken said, "The harsh, useful things of the world, from pulling teeth to digging potatoes, are best done by men who are as starkly sober as so many convicts in the death-house, but the lovely and useless things, the charming and exhilarating things, are best done by men with, as the phrase is, a few sheets in the wind."

Furthermore, as Abraham Lincoln said: "If we take habitual drunkards as a class, their heads and their hearts will bear an advantageous comparison with those of any other class. There seems ever to have been a proneness in the brilliant and warm-blooded to fall in to this vice. The demon of intemperance ever seems to have delighted in sucking the blood of genius and generosity."

And don't forget that Mahatma Gandhi said: "Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

All right, that's far more than enough from me. Thank you very much, Kate, for putting up with my cornering of at least one corner of the market in this thread, fortunately for us all, I don't have the time to do this too often, which is a good thing because that would quickly become intolerable, or as Rex Murphy would say, ontolerable.

Good night everyone, thank you for your interlocution.

Posted by: Vitruvius at April 5, 2008 2:25 AM

If you want some real fun with the media and Liberanos, go by a number of Liberal memberships and have a class action to get too the bottom of the income trust. Similar to the Harris case. I do not think Goodale will go after the MSM.

Posted by: What did Edgar say at April 5, 2008 3:01 AM

How quickly CTV forgets about the big mouth bigot Svend Robinson who wanted the Bible and Quran banned in Canada as hate Literature , then he help kill a disabled female as a favour, and finally was caught on video tape stealing a $60'000.00 piece of jewelry .
Alas....homosexuals aren't expected to live by the same moral standards as the rest of society and we must pity them because they can't help it when the use drugs, steal , lie , spew hate , or expose themselves in public to little boys during the annual Pride Parades that don't display any pride at all .
They display a serious Self-hatred that mocks all homosexuals and merely re-enforces the Medical evidence that Homosexuals have the highest rate of Bi-Polar disorder which leads to the highest rate of prescribed Medication for any self-identified group in society.

But you can't tell the truth in canada because the HRC is there to prevent the fragile and over-sensitive minorities from being harmed when life's realities start to disrupt their version of reality where everyone is Right&Wrong at the same time depending on which end of the Bi-Polar stage they are viewing our reality from.

Posted by: roger at April 5, 2008 4:18 AM

Sooooo conservatives are tight lipped knuckle draggers with latent homophobia but Liberals are pathalogical liars and malfeasant criminals with conflicted interests in their corporate patronage web.

We have a real choice in Canada.

A distorted political commentary from our 4th estate does not make the choice any easier...they are part of the problem

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at April 5, 2008 7:56 AM

I hate it when journalists openly campaign to be the next Governor-General of Canada.

Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at April 5, 2008 8:05 AM

It's more than being "mad" about the comments made by Fife, it's about the fact he has a forum to spout his opinions which goes beyond just reporting.
With his comments he was demeaning and tarnishing all Conservative members and he did it with a sneering smile that said I'm having fun with this one.

At least we don't have to troll the trash bins of vacated offices to expose the Liberals and Dippers, they're doing a good job on themselves.

Posted by: Liz J at April 5, 2008 8:31 AM

Has everyone sent a complaint to CTV head honcho against Fife and Robertson? JUST DO IT!!

It was quite the act, a nice little skit performed by Bobby with the bait tossed out by Lloyd.
These little skits performed nightly by CTV and CBC talking heads is what the masses are fed as news when they are nothing manipulative journalism. Any banana republic would be proud.

Posted by: Liz J at April 5, 2008 8:44 AM

news@ctv.ca

keep on this people.

As a supporter of these "knuckledraggers", his comments hurt my feelings and was said in a tone that was derogatory to knuckledraggers everywhere.

Isn't that EXACTLY what he is insinuating happened with Tom L's comment (is last name is too hard to spell so let's just call him Tom from now on)

Posted by: Alberta Girl at April 5, 2008 9:17 AM

This thread is just full of precious snowflakes insulted by the term knuckle-draggers.

Unfortunately, it's not the CBC making the comments so they can't be held to the same standards of say, a member of parliament.

You know what to do, lift those knuckles up onto your keyboard and let the company know how you feel. I'm sure they're terribly concerned about the 'get off my lawn' demographic.

Posted by: Arthur A at April 5, 2008 9:21 AM

Someone mentioned Svend, he came to a sad end and he was merely a thief. Looks like a few more thieves around, stealing videos from old offices to aid a cause. That's what this Dipper escapade is all about and the Liberals have latched on like a hungry piglet to score political points. Hypocrites, all of them.

Posted by: Liz J at April 5, 2008 10:36 AM

What's more pathetic? This blatant bias in our MSM or that our left-minded friends don't see anything wrong with "professional" journalists acting this way and denying that liberal media bias exists.

Posted by: Scottt at April 5, 2008 10:46 AM

Arthur A: Us "precious snowflakes" are just as insulted by being called "knuckledraggers" as other "precious snowflakes" are insulted by being called "faggots".

One group's "hurt feelings" garners national television exposure and skyrockets of outrage...the other group's "hurt feelings" garners sneers and snickers from national media. This is hypocritical in the extreme.

Obviously, you have SOME intelligence (as you are apparently able to manipulate a keyboard), so I don't understand why you cannot see this..."there are none so blind who WILL NOT see". Twit.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 5, 2008 11:07 AM

You "conservatives", each and every one of you, deserves to be banished to the wilderness of politics and have "progressives" run your lives IF you don't pick up the phone, get that keyboard, and contact CTV or make other noise. For once you've been given a golden oportunity to prove, beyond a doubt, how bias the media is. If you don't take it, you are just a bunch of cranks bitching on the blogs.

My comment clearly is not intended for those of you who have taken an action ... which I trust is a lot of you.

Posted by: Paul at April 5, 2008 11:07 AM

reading the comments on this thread is quite depressing indeed - Canada is now beyond repair - how do they get people to live in this country?

Posted by: Brad at April 5, 2008 11:12 AM

I wouldn't call for his resignation. But I'd certainly inform the voters of his views so they can decide if that's the guy they want representing them.

You should view the release of this video as a blessing. As you've apparently mastered walking upright in public, how else would you identify one another?

As for the hypocrisy claim, I fail to see how it might apply to me. What standard am I holding someone else to that I'm failing to apply to myself or universally?

Posted by: Arthur A at April 5, 2008 11:24 AM

Att: Robert Fife and CTV news,

To say that my husband and I are outraged is an understatement.

Robert Fife, in one fell swoop by denigrating members of the Conservative party, has shown himself to be a bigot.

He not only vilified the Conservative govt., but he also denigrated Conservative voters who elected these so-called "Knuckle Draggers".

Are we "Knuckle Draggers" Mr. Fife?

Does he also intend to identify the "other Knuckle Draggers" in the Liberal party?

Our opinion of Mr. Fife is that he is no longer a credible news reporter.

Why?

Because he is spewing hatred towards a group of people.

My letter to Mike Duffy...

Just to let you know Mr. Duffy, I have sent an email to TD Canada Trust Visa, telling them that we will be getting a credit card from another bank.

Why?

Because TD Canada Trust advertises on CTV.

Posted by: HLH at April 5, 2008 11:31 AM

Arthur A, I'll reprint a post directed at another in a previous thread (something I don't usually do but the left seems terminally thick...) I'll even personalize it for you:

"Arthur A, why is it every time a lefty joins the conversation, we have to lower the level of academic discourse so low so that you are able to understand what is being discussed?

Let me remind you of a basic analysis tenet that, apparently, no liberal understands: "Correlation does not equal causation". Holding opposing views on social issues does not a priori lead to anything more than holding opposing views. Escalation of opposing viewpoints to violence is a consequence of many factors, including suppression of those opposing viewpoints.

This discussion isn't about the content of inappropriate speech, its about who gets to decide what it is, and whose standard applies. We are rejecting the left claim, your claim, to priority of the decision.

I am comfortable in saying that if you polled ALL Canadians, you will find that the majority will find the practice of homosexuality offensive. Equally, you will likely find the majority of Canadians will agree, somewhat begrudgingly, that left to their own devices, its no one else's business. This is a belief shared by most about most things.

I also know, with absolute certainty, that virtually every individual, in the privacy of their own lives, expresses what can be defined as a bigotry about some one or group, at one time or another, on more than one occasion. Bigotry is colour-blind, independent of religion, race, creed or sexual orientation. It exists in us all. It is an undeniable, un-reformable characteristic of being a human animal. It is the unassailable consequence of our tribal will to survive.

What is at argument here, is your assumed right to define, for a group that disagrees with you, who is going to set the standard, and in doing so, you claim a superior right to use the very techniques of bigotry to assert that standard. Is the fundamental hypocrisy not clear to you? Are you so intellectually dogmatic as to not recognize the double standard? Or is this really not about equalities, but rather about simply the application of your tribal bigotry over others?

The left's characterization of people who do not agree with them as "knuckle-draggers", pejoratively as "racists" and "bigots" (usually used incorrectly and out of context), is as offensive to as many as the terms "faggot" and "kike" are to others. You have no moral pedestal to stand on. You are no less "racist", "bigoted" or "neanderthalic" then the people you seem to hate.

This is the great failing of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the Constitution, and why they are defective documents. Neither preserves rights; rather, they entrench institutionalized racism, bigotry, and ultimately, hatred. That's what these discussions are about. Repatriation of the constitution was not a victory for Canada, it was the acceptance of a blueprint for its destruction."


Posted by: Skip at April 5, 2008 11:38 AM

If you're calling to complain, don't forget your local affiliate. Call their news director and let them know how sick you are of it. It's important that the complaints come up the chain in addition to being sent directly to the national office.

Letters and phone calls are better than deletable emails, I think.

Posted by: Kate at April 5, 2008 11:45 AM

And especially complain to the Broadcast Standards Council - the follow-up process they have to go through is at least a nuisance, and may in fact be productive. Best to send that complaint in writing...

Posted by: Skip at April 5, 2008 11:49 AM

"You have no moral pedestal to stand on. You are no less "racist", "bigoted" or "neanderthalic" then the people you seem to hate."

Well, I do have a moral compass. But it doesn't direct me to treat everyone with love and compassion. It tells that the anti-gay community is fit only for mockery and derision.

The fact that a bigot might call me a bigot, simply because I don't have some universal moral truths that I can throw at them, doesn't really concern me.

You think I assume I have a right to define for everyone, which I don't. I assume I have a right to define for myself, which I do. And I apply it as I do now, by sharing in the laughter and derision that is currently being applied to a group of people with raw knuckles and feelings.

You also think I claim a right to priority in the discussion. Why you think that I have no idea. As I said, I'm glad his comments have been made public. It provides and opportunity to choose sides. To condemn and defend. If he gets re-elected then you've won, and the anti-gay crowd will continue to have a say in the discussion. If he does not get re-elected then, perhaps there aren't as many of you as you think.

If I believed you didn't have a right to partake in the discussion I'd claim that anti-gay speech is hateful, and try to use Canadian laws to prevent you from saying it. But I don't. Instead I call you ignorant and laugh in your general direction.

Posted by: Arthur A at April 5, 2008 12:07 PM

Ah, Arthur, this thread is about Bob Fife, not Tom. The post is about faux moral superiority, which is the mantle the left wears. As for what Tom Lukiwski said 17 years at a drunken party, I could care less. It simply has no relevance today. And you know what? I don't care about what Tom Lukiwski thinks privately today about gays. Or you for that matter. I know that lefties like you think all conservatives are knuckle draggin' bigots, so why should I give a damn about what you think? You certainly don't concern yourself with what might be hurtful to conservatives. Its when you (reinforced by the MSM) seem to think that the state should take unilateral action that I get my knickers in a knot. I fully expect to see as much boot embedded in the ass of bigoted lefties as I do that of the right.

Posted by: Skip at April 5, 2008 12:27 PM

At least "knuckle draggers" are somewhat further along the evolutionary scale than moonbats.

I venture we'll be seeing less of Robert Fife. Look at Kinsella's fall into irrelevance.

Posted by: irwin daisy at April 5, 2008 12:29 PM

Here's the Broadcast Standards Council site for registering a complaint:

http://www.cbsc.ca/english/complaint/index.php

Everyone reading this should file one.

Posted by: Finn at April 5, 2008 12:30 PM

Skip, your post implies that you can't be a conservative unless you're anti-gay. I've already stated here that I agree and support those who would call the anti-gay crowd knuckle-draggers. Even Bob Fife didn't go so far as to call all conservatives knuckle-draggers. He said there are some.

I didn't realize the post was about the left's faux moral superiority supported by the MSM. I thought it was about the supposed hypocrisy of calling the anti-gay crow knuckle-draggers. As one who feels quite happy doing so, I was hoping to have the hypocritical nature explained to me.

But as I don't feel a sense of moral superiority, nor do I wish to engage the state in shutting down opposing views, I can see that your comments and the intent of this post is directed at others.

Posted by: Arthur A at April 5, 2008 12:43 PM

Thank you for that Finn.

Posted by: multirec at April 5, 2008 12:46 PM

Oh, and those of you making claims under the Canadian Broadcast Standards, what is the basis for the claim? I mean, other than just being offender what part of the code did Bob's reporting violate?

Here's the link to the code.

http://www.cbsc.ca/english/codes/epc.php#clause1

I'd try to claim privilege under the category of mental disability if I were you.

Posted by: Arthur A at April 5, 2008 1:08 PM

Thanks, Finn, for providing the Broadcast Standards Council (BSC) site.

To make a complaint, one needs to provide the following information:

"1) the name, date and time of the program
2) the name or call letters of the broadcaster"

Could someone provide that information here? If I have time, I'll look for it and post. But maybe someone already has the information.

Thanks.

P.S. When I spoke on the phone last evening to the CTV person who refused to identify himself, even by his first name--altogether unprofessional--I was not informed that someone would respond to my complaint as the BSC suggests should happen. I'll mention this in my complaint.

Posted by: lookout at April 5, 2008 1:08 PM

Arthur, my post implies nothing of the sort. Again, you still don't get the fundamental hypocrisy. I don't call the anti-gay crowd knuckle-draggers, nor do I believe I should. If that were true I'd have license to call the gay crowd something publicly, and I don't. That's the hypocrisy. Its simply not appropriate for Robert Fife to refer to any member of Canadian society as "knuckle-draggers" (or faggots or anything else) - not in a public forum on a public airway. If the left sees a rationalization for this, then they don't understand their own moral outrage, nor do they understand any concept of equality. They're simply parading their own sense of "moral" superiority. How much clearer can we make this?

Posted by: Skip at April 5, 2008 1:12 PM

Whoops, I know the answer to #2: CTV, right!? (But I don't know the call letters.)

Posted by: lookout at April 5, 2008 1:14 PM

Good work Lookout, if we keep up with the complaints, at the very least it will be documented.

Posted by: multirec at April 5, 2008 1:15 PM

I sent my complaint without all the pertinent info,but I am sure that they know exactly which broadcast is being referred.Go for it,but don't expect much.

Posted by: wallyj at April 5, 2008 1:29 PM

Skip, I've really appreciated your posts here. I understand and empathize with your frustration re the posts from a certain lefty.

I believe, from unhappy experience with people close to me, that the brains of lefties are ideologically schlerotic—scarred. There are parts of their brains where logic and truth simply cannot implant. The utopian lies they’ve been fed by our overlords and have willingly digested have disfigured their brains, as well as making them quite inflexible and, certainly, intolerant.

This is sad, and dangerous, because these people are willing dupes—useful idiots—of the most craven power mongers, like the Liberal Party and the MSM of Canada.

Posted by: lookout at April 5, 2008 1:34 PM

Skip: How much clearer can we make this?

I don't know. I think the only reason you still see some hypocritical stance in me is because you're atttributing beliefs to me that I don't have. For instance, unlike you, I think you do "have license to call the gay crowd something publicly". If I thought otherwise, then I'd either believe that people have some inherent right not to be offended or being anti-gay was tatamount to a hate crime (talk about claiming moral privilege!). All of us have a right to denigrate and decry that which we find offensive. Similarly, we all have a right to promote and publicly state that which we believe. The mere fact that others may find yours, or my beliefs offensive, is irrelevant.

This is what I believe at any rate. I'm perfectly aware that laws and codes of conduct disagree with me. For instance, that code of broadcasting conduct says you can't call the gay community a bunch of faggots. There doesn't seem to be any protection for the anti-gay community being called knuckle-draggers.

I'm not quite sure why you're not grasping how my stance is not hypocritical. Each "side" should be allowed to say what they want, and each "side" should respond. These are my beliefs. They don't describe the current situation, where one side is prevented from speaking. But I'm not responsible for the laws and the code of conduct, I'm responsible for my actions and my beliefs. I would agree with you if you said "people who call the anti-gay crowd knuckle-draggers" are hypocrites because they support laws that prevent the anti-gay crowd from calling the gay community "faggots".

As you see, however, I am not one of those people. I think we ought to resort to counter arguments, mockery, boycotts, etc. I think we ought to shut up the anti-gay crowd by rallying supporters, electing people who share our views, protesting anti-gay events and businesses. I think you have a right to do the same. I think it is a very conservative idea to try and freeze culture. And passing laws and code of conducts that enshrine a particularly morality at a particularly point of time, is just that, an attempt to freeze culture.

Posted by: Arthur A at April 5, 2008 1:50 PM

This is some of ctv's sponsers:
- CHIP Home Income Plan
- www.BuyListen.ca
- Rogers home phone
- Fusion blades,Gillette
- Mazda.ca
- TD Canada
- Grey Power{insurance]
- Selsun Blue
- Gaviscon[acid reflux]
- Canadian Tire[jump start]
I'm starting to contact these companies to inform them that I will be boycotting their products and urging like minded individuals to do the same.

Posted by: h.ryan. at April 5, 2008 2:12 PM

Thank you, Me No Dhimmi, for the motivation. .

Send an Email like this to CTV using their ** FEEDBACK** at the bottom of their [closed] comments page.

================================
ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080404/lukiwski_tape_080404/20080404?hub=Canada

CTV and Lloyd Robertson can not take this back:

* * And didn't you just love Lloyd's painfully obvious leading question: **So, Robert, do you think this is PM Harper's worst nightmare?** INSTEAD of say, **Robert, do you think this will have a negative impact on the CPC**? * *

CTV, agents for destruction of the Conservative Party of Canada?

I will be contacting your sponsors. You can bet they are not your partners in this project of destructive party politics.

We have a free vote in Canada for a reason.

CTV deserves to face lawsuits and huge fines with conditions on CRTC license.

Is it normal to publicize a stolen private partytime video tape? Do you have a signed release from the owner? = TG

PS: this Email is also posted to major blogsites. = TG

Posted by: TG at April 5, 2008 2:14 PM

Arthur A: It is YOU who has the reading comprehension problem. The reference to hypocrisy was in my response to you, wherein I stated:

"One group's "hurt feelings" garners national television exposure and skyrockets of outrage...the other group's "hurt feelings" garners sneers and snickers from national media. This is hypocritical in the extreme."

The charge of hypocrisy was NOT levelled at YOU directly, yet off you march to fight a phantom battle.

However, I suspect that you ARE hypocritical. I suspect that you DO believe it is unacceptable to refer to homosexuals as "faggots" and DO believe it is acceptable to refer to SOME MYTHICAL Conservatives as being "knuckledraggers" (I say "some mythical conservatives" because you lefties say they exist, but can never point one out). Both terms are equally derogatory, yet I suspect that you won't see it that way. So, I suspect that hypocrite will be an appropriate label for you, after all.

And I repeat...twit.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 5, 2008 2:35 PM

Fife's comments are more of the usual unprofessional MSM. ArthurA, Fife says "some" conservative members are knuggledraggers and social conservatives who have to be shut up by PMO, lest their views come out, which are supposedly damaging to Tories (their "worst nightmare") and the Canadian psyche alike. He does this all without naming one individual (He could have least given other examples).

I saw this clip on CTV and, frankly, I just shook my head at the easy way Fife slags Tories while saying the Lukiwiski matter has been dealt with. It's not about hypocrisy at all. Whatever, who cares what people think, and who cares if some journalist betrays their bias. That makes them incompetent, not hypocritical.

Posted by: Shamrock at April 5, 2008 2:38 PM

"It is YOU who has the reading comprehension problem."

Are you implying that I've accused someone in this thread of having a reading comprehension problem?

"The charge of hypocrisy was NOT levelled at YOU directly, yet off you march to fight a phantom battle."

I wrote that, "As for the hypocrisy claim, I fail to see how it might apply to me. What standard am I holding someone else to that I'm failing to apply to myself or universally?"

You're response is that you weren't calling me a hypocrite. Ok. Good to know. Except that, you then go on and say I'm probably a hypocrite if I believe your laundry list of things.

I didn't read it too closely, but it seemed to pretty much represent what I believe in terms of what's acceptable and what is not. The fact that you believe these beliefs make me a hypocrite means:

A) My question about whether or not the hypocrisy charge was levelled against me was valid

B) You don't seem to have followed the discussion with skip too closely, since it contained a great deal about how I might believe those things and not be considered a hypocrite.

Posted by: Arthur A at April 5, 2008 2:48 PM

"Whatever, who cares what people think, and who cares if some journalist betrays their bias. That makes them incompetent, not hypocritical'

Either way, who cares? The only thing that matters is rubbing Fife's nose in his own pool of piss.

I'm getting bloody sick of effete, girly-voiced pansy-assed journalists like Fife sitting on thier lazy, drunken, asses safe in their news rooms taking snotty, elitist shots at social conservatives.

It's time for a little payback.

Posted by: john at April 5, 2008 2:48 PM

Arthur A, your contortions and convolutions are dizzying...and pathetic.

Sorry Kate...I'll stop now. What part of don't feed the trolls don't I understand!

Posted by: Eeyore at April 5, 2008 3:05 PM

Kate
now you tell me when i sent 100's emails
;_)

Posted by: george at April 5, 2008 3:21 PM

nutrisystem.ca/new...advertises on CTV

Posted by: HLH at April 5, 2008 3:31 PM

Att: Robert Fife and CTV news,

To say that my husband and I are outraged is an understatement.

You, sir, in one fell swoop by denigrating members of the Conservative party, have shown yourself to be a bigot.

You not only vilified the Conservative govt., but you also denigrated Conservative voters who elected these so-called "Knuckle Draggers".

Are we "Knuckle Draggers" Mr. Fife?

I'm a grandmother and when I got up this morning, my knuckles were not dragging on the ground.

Bob Fife, you were not content to stay focused on the Lukiwski affair.

We out here had NOTHING to do with it and yet...WE GET DRAGGED INTO this...

Your muckraking has hit US in the face.

Our opinion of you Mr. Fife is that you are no longer a credible news reporter.

Why?

Because you are spewing hatred towards a group of people.

You, yourself BECAME the one thing you were reporting on ...intolerant.

Posted by: HLH at April 5, 2008 3:45 PM

I just finished contacting all of ctv's sponsors to inform them that I will be boycotting their products as long as they advertise on ctv.I let them know that I'll be urging like minded individuals to do the same.Should be interesting to see if I get a response.

Posted by: h.ryan. at April 5, 2008 4:09 PM

Heh,Rogers contacted me already,letting me know that they received my complaint and that a rep will be getting back to me.Nothing like the bottom line to catch these companies attention.

Posted by: h.ryan. at April 5, 2008 4:20 PM

What bothers me about the CTV coverage is the high profile that the network has given to this story.

Since this was a 17 year old tape presumably recorded after a group of mostly young people had too much to drink, one would think that it should only have been a story at all if Tom Lukiwiski had refused to apologize. Since he apologized immediately, that should have been the end of the story.

It is the media that has allowed Scott Brison and the Liberals to make this a bigger story than it deserves to be. Brison has his own agenda and it is not aimed at giving the Conservative Party good publicity.

Gee, one might even get the impression that the media has its own agenda?

Posted by: Brian at April 5, 2008 4:31 PM

NAW -- CAN'T POST THIS !! hAVE A nICe dAY ~~~

Posted by: Orlin at April 5, 2008 5:24 PM

i AgREE i'M A "nUCKEL dRAGGER" BUt dID hE rEALLy SAy i "wAS A c*NTsERvATIVE?" -- i'M fILLINUNG A cOmpLEAINT

Posted by: Orlin at April 5, 2008 5:29 PM


BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!!!

Posted by: Orlin at April 5, 2008 5:30 PM

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/bplayer/ElevenP.html

CTV is still running the full version with Fife and Lloyd Robertson, complete with calling certain Canadians "knuckle Draggers"..

The tape does stall, and halt through the latter back and forth, but CTV still wants the public to know their bias.

Posted by: BB at April 5, 2008 7:27 PM

So, CTV's going to get Bill Graham to apologize for his affair with an 15 year old male prostitute because he was "of an age" and as a lawyer and professor he should have known better?

Double frigging standard!

Posted by: bob at April 5, 2008 8:57 PM

On last night's Michael Coren show, one of the panelists, "activist" Sam Merulla (?), stated that persons who are not in favour of gay marriage are mentally ill and in need of "re-education". Jeez, shades of Mao. Coren and the other panelists, Laura Babcock & Clair Hoy, were outraged. Sam whathisname tried to backtrack once he realized what he'd said, but Coren kept hammering at him. Unfortunately, just as Hoy was about to let fly, it was time for the half-time break and a change of topic.

This is the left's thinking, similar to Soviet Russia and today's China, where if you have a contrary opinion, you must have a mental illness and therefore deserve to be in an asylum. Hasn't China done something akin to that recently with a dissident?

I'll bet some of those sanctimonious NDP, Liberal & MSM types would love to have that power.


Posted by: Skeptic at April 5, 2008 9:23 PM

Arthur A? Arthur A? Isn't he some comic character on some CBC kiddie show?
Skip....you must realize by know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to explain logic,etc,to a leftard. There is NO,ZERO,ZILCH,NADA,emotion involved in logics,and the leftards are ONLY about emotions.

Posted by: Justthinkin at April 5, 2008 10:51 PM

First of all, it was outrageous that this was the lead story. When Lloyd finally got around to the story about the terrorist plot on flights over the Atlantic, he said that two Air Canada flights were targeted with the potential of loss of hundreds of Canadian lives. What about the American Airlines CTV? This so called national brodcaster is a disgrace. I know it is amusing for people in Toronto to hear about how goofy we are on the west coast. During the last provincial election, nothing controversial really was happening and I noticed that the msm did not do any coverage. Finally, with just a day or so to go before the election, Sandra Jensen on the newsnet (eyes bulged out in horror) that there were charges of racism!!! Horrors. What really occured was a bit of a dust up between Daniel Igali and a Sikh candidate. Gordon Campbell of the Liberals said he knew the NDP wouldn't be behind anything like that, and Carol James of the NDP said she knew the Liberals would not be responsible for anything like that. Of course, for the amusement of Toronto viewers, CTV didn't qualify that. As for the local CTV news, they are thrilled if it snows so they have something to talk about. I have given up on the media, they don't report stories that should be told; either they are lazy or have a "hidden agenda". I suspect both. Enough is enough.

Posted by: Mary at April 5, 2008 11:06 PM

'Called CTV, 'had to leave a voice message as "it's the weekend," said the actual human being I first spoke to.

'Emphasized Mr. Fife's consummate lack of professionalism as a journalist. 'Didn't go ballistic. 'Figured that a measured response, emphasizing Fife's biased, bigoted, and unprofessional report was more effective than saying what I actually felt like saying: "Bobby Fife is a *%$#@!@!#$$%!$##@ SOB and a KNUCKLE DRAGGER OF THE FIRST DEGREE!!!!!!"

Such restraint. 'Wouldn't be a bad idea if Fife and co. learned how to do it. But, if you're a hanger-on in the court of the Natural Ruling Party, I guess being an entitled idiot is part of the gig.

Posted by: batb at April 6, 2008 9:24 AM
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