Following a little dip after supper hour, Ontario power demand rose from 7pm to 9 pm.
I'm not ashamed to admit it. I'm a little choked up.
(Yes, I noticed the "projection". No dice, blackout boosters. The science is settled - any detected upward trend is a win in my column.)
Update - They love us in Singapore, too!
Well, those who count do, anyway.
More - Saskatoon Shines!
Plus - The numbers down under;
We watched at least 7 helicopters flying around the inner Brisbane skies. I sent a leftie friend of mine an sms at about 8:15pm asking her if she could hear them too - she was very perplexed as to why they were there until I explained it was the Earth Hour people filming the lights so that they could go home and watch their “success” on their plasma televisions.Posted by Kate at March 29, 2008 10:35 PM
I hate to point this out, Kate, but the actual usage on the chart is less than the projected during that period.
Not to worry, here in BC in 10 minutes we'll turn on all the lights and crank up the stereo so the neighbors know which side we're on.
Posted by: Rick in BC at March 29, 2008 10:49 PMThanks for tracking electrical consumption - the magic hour hasn't reached the Left Coast yet, but I just turned my outside light on anyway.
First post here and I apologize for the pseudonym, but I live in enemy territory and had my property vandalized after I wrote a letter to the local paper criticizing leftist tactics.
Posted by: Aviator at March 29, 2008 10:49 PMJust turned all outside lights on.
Posted by: TJ at March 29, 2008 10:53 PMGlory to Blog in the highest.
Posted by: BillyHW at March 29, 2008 10:55 PMProjections are for stock market analysts and global warming modellers.
Around here, "up is up". I see results!
Posted by: Kate at March 29, 2008 11:02 PMActually...power use was less than projected. Woops! Posted that one a little too quick, eh?
Posted by: steve at March 29, 2008 11:03 PMI forgot to mention, I'm a stock market analyst.
Now, if we'd just turn off that pipeline out of Alberta, they'd see the usage in Ontario drop real fast. Let's propose that for Earth Day next year.
Posted by: Rick in BC at March 29, 2008 11:06 PM8:02 on the Island;
old self cleaning oven on - check
flood lights in yard on - check
washer & dryer running - check
hockey game & cold beer - check and check
we're good to go here in the land of fruits and nuts
I just spoke to a guy I converted today and he has done the following! He has four burners and the oven on full, his truck plugged in, a tub full of hot water, the microwave heating water, the heat turned up and the windows opened, a chicken brooder lamp on, all the lights on, the fridge door opened right beside the oven and so on. I have some lights on, the heat up, an electric fireplace going, a load in the dryer and a few other things going just for fun.
You want to know the heart of the matter...... in actual fact, I live an "Earth Year" and this is my "Typical enviroTool Hour". I believe that I have just spent one hour living just an iota like suzuki/liberals live all year and they might have imitated my "normal" during this hour, if they did anything at all. That is what gets me so angry about this farce. I bet everyone who writes in and criticizes this event and other similar stories doesn't waste anything during the course of their everyday lives. It is the phony bast#@ds that pipe up the loudest in favor of these bright ideas that waste energy, space and resources all year.
Do you realize that it takes 100,000 inklings to make a clue and most of the loudest voices preaching don't even have an inkling about reality.
Posted by: PistonBroke at March 29, 2008 11:09 PMLike Kate said Steve...projections are for stock markets and leftards So where is that big DIP (no,not Taliban Jack) that we were supposed to see? Guess Nelly's free concert blew that,eh. Heh
Posted by: Justthinkin at March 29, 2008 11:10 PMJeepers! Didn't know I had soooo many light switches. Some, probably on for the first time.
We have a very efficient stove so can't get much smoke going.
What a way to find new friends!!
Posted by: noel at March 29, 2008 11:12 PMIt really doesn't matter how much electricity is saved or wasted this evening. You can bet the farm that there will soon be some fella with a beard(or woman with a small moustache)wearing glasses and birkenstocks proclaiming the hour was a success. They will spew some silly feel good tripe like' we took the equivalent of 38,000 cars off the road tonight'. And life will go on.
Posted by: wallyj at March 29, 2008 11:17 PMI told my kids it was Earth Hour and time to turn off the XBox, computer, DVD, and sit around in the dark and tell ghost stories, they laughed. So, the lights, computers and heat stayed on.
What a juvenile, grade three, stunt this was, even my kids didn't buy into it, and I have had many discussions with them about the environment.
Posted by: Hunter at March 29, 2008 11:31 PMThere's a reason why the 'Dark Ages' are considered a time when reason flew out of the window and ignorance ruled the land.
Posted by: The Friction Of The Day at March 29, 2008 11:38 PMPosted by: PistonBroke at March 29, 2008 11:09 PM
Exactly right on.
We turned on all the lights in our 1000sq ft house, and it didn't come close to a portion of one of Oprah's houses, I'm sure.
My kids didn't even realize Earth Day was an event.
"Earth what? You want us to sit around in the dark on a Saturday nite? I worked all day dad. Forget that!"
I done edified them good.
Posted by: Brian M. at March 29, 2008 11:43 PMHEHEHEHEHE. Looks like I wasn't the only one to turn on everything that had a switch, and I even did it about twenty minutes ahead of time.
Posted by: Louise at March 29, 2008 11:44 PMNaturally, the Canadian (read COMMUNIST) Press declared success.
Posted by: Mike T at March 29, 2008 11:46 PMI confess...I had to break down - the Christmas lights got turned off early. My wife could no longer bear to distress our neighbours in their candle-lit house.
Posted by: Tenebris at March 29, 2008 11:47 PMDan in Real Life was more interesting....
Posted by: puddin and pie at March 29, 2008 11:50 PMDown here in Texas I thought I'd provide a little solidarity. All the lights were on anyway, so I went out to the barn and fired up the generator so I could use the 2KW halogens instead of the fluoros, which are powered by a solar panel and battery.
I suppose I should've fired up the '74 Ford pickup with 390CID engine, but I have to use it tomorrow.
Regards,
Ric
The eco's have their carbon offsets but two can
play that game. These sheep can turn off their
lights and I'll be turning all mine on.
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WWF throws in with Iran... proposes return to "pre-industrial" society...
"Julie Langer, of World Wildlife Fund Canada -- the group organizing
the event in Canada -- said the goal of Earth Hour is to inspire action
and promote change."
"Langer said most people realize that simply turning off the lights for
an hour won't save the planet."
"But the hope is that by doing so, people will become motivated to
'make every hour Earth Hour.'"
tomorrow, i'm gonna skip dinner... in hope of ending world hunger.
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Posted by: neo at March 29, 2008 11:58 PMThe most disturbing part of this lemming test is that too many of our politicians and civil servants subscribe to this garbage and are hell bent to shove it down our throats one way or another.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. To keep power, remove the peoples' will to resist. Promise the Great Equaliser for those who feel they are owed just for existing. Use scare tactics such as pending disaster and threats to cut off the feeding trough to the rest. This tactic, with few exceptions, has worked in one form or another all through history.
Posted by: Mike T at March 30, 2008 12:05 AMWaiting to see some headlines:
Man marking earth hour walks by burning Candle, farts!
Head explodes and house blows up.
Dammit, I just found out I've got a burned out headlight in my car. And out of force of habit I turned out the lights before I stepped out. I feel so inadequate. How can I make it up? Does Crown Surplus sell searchlights or air raid sirens?
Posted by: DrD at March 30, 2008 12:42 AMGod Lord, is there no end to this childish idiocy? Have the fart'n, stinky, oozing adults in our culture become so emasculated by their sexy, impulsive, indigo children that they are now following their lead? Pitiful. Discouraging and pitiful.
Posted by: Mr. X. at March 30, 2008 12:57 AMI'm now trusting that since projections are purportedly a leftist creation, Kate will refrain from citing them to bolster her case in future postings. I guess we can discount all those projections she has cited refuting climate change. Good to know!
Posted by: steve at March 30, 2008 1:08 AMThis whole earth hour awareness effort was organized by the 'World wildlife fund'. Isn't it ironic that while they are concentrating on saving the planet(and raising funds),poor Chester,an actual wildlife critter goes belly-up.Shame on them.
Posted by: wallyj at March 30, 2008 1:30 AMTomorrow is Don't Jump in Front of a Train Day, sponsored by Progressives for a Healthy Planet.
Don't let them push you around.
And in case anyone isn't really clear on how to interpret the graph that Kate posted here, it shows that the level by which actual demand was shy of projected was greatest between 6 and 10pm. Apparently most people switched off for a good bit longer than the one hour that was suggested.
And for a price, I can help with other mathematical difficulties you may be having.
Posted by: ¢rÄßG®äŠŠ at March 30, 2008 1:30 AMLooks like I wasn't the only one to turn on everything that had a switch, and I even did it about twenty minutes ahead of time.
(Hey, ya want I should dig up some bones for ya? Anything you say, Kate. Cuz you and me is pals, that's right, ain't it, Kate?.....)
Nope, nobody living on programmed-control thought timers around here.
At 4.4c/kWh, and an estimated decrease of 250MW for 2h, that's approximately 22,000 dollars saved.
I guess that is just peanuts, but at the very least, why do you feel proud about wasting money? Some conservatives you jackasses are; I daresay you let your blind hatred override your principles.
It's important to some people...so why shit all over that? Who cares if you don't agree with them - is it necessary to ruin the efforts of others? Seriously, what kind of low-grade vindictive idiocy is that? Did someone take a dump all over someone's Christian Easter holiday or something? Where does this come from?
Posted by: anon at March 30, 2008 2:49 AMI submit comments from Singapore and other countries occasionally SDA says to drop dead. Something about Spam or hostile location or similar such remark. I just don't bother until in Canada.
Posted by: Knight 99 at March 30, 2008 2:50 AMAs I said in another thread, your wanton disregard and active contempt for things that are important to others has given me a veritable license to sh*t all over the Christmas season for about a dozen diehard Jesus freaks. I look forward to making the birth of the baby Jesus miserable. Thanks SDA! -- you contemptuous asswipes!
Posted by: anon at March 30, 2008 2:59 AMAnd thank you anon.
Posted by: johnboy at March 30, 2008 3:26 AMChecked my power meter before/after turning on all the house lights for 1.5 hours and disappointed that I used only 7.9 Kwh. At $0.07/Kwh this exercise cost me $0.55. The low power consumption is because I've probably got too many fluorescent bulbs (the real kind, not CFL's). This experiment shows that a 10 KW backup generator should be more than adequate to supply my house with power. By next year I should have an electric kiln installed and can do a firing to commemorate the next earth hour if this stupid exercise will be continued.
Posted by: loki at March 30, 2008 4:08 AMA quote from an Ottawa Sun article sums up nicely what an empty gesture this thing is.
"When (pub) manager Remy Urquhart notified his patrons what they were doing, one of his regular customers ran home, after realizing he forgot to turn off the lights, he said.
From Andrew Bolt down under in Oz
"The organisers will say never mind, this was about raising awareness (although not of raising awareness of the facts). But here’s the awareness it should raise: how difficult it is to get even a tiny cut in just electricity use for one lousy hour, in a country responsible for just 1.5 per cent of the world’s emissions.
And then think what the Rudd Government is promising: a 60 per cent cut in all emissions, all year. And it’s to be matched by every country around the world."
Does this last bit mean that Harper has bought into this stupidity. If so that is worse than Dion who only talked about and did nothing. Harper is already throwing thousands of dollars at it and has bought the Oz line of banning incandescent light bulbs, although after McGuinty bought into it.
I was on my way home from work at about 8:30 pm and I was surprised at how many people did have their lights off. Of course it wasn't really dark because the street lights were many and bright, but I would guess that about 80% of houses were completely blacked out. Of course when I got home I turned on all my outside lights just so people would see. And since I work for the local electricity producer,with almost 3000 Mw on line last night (usually its about 4000 but we have a unit down for its 24 month maintenance) I have to do something to make sure that the product of my labour is needed.
Posted by: minuteman at March 30, 2008 6:02 AMFrom the whine and wail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080329.wcanadaearthhour0329/BNStory/National
“What's amazing is that it's transcending political boundaries and happening in places like China, Vietnam, Papua New Guinea,” said Andy Ridley, executive director of Earth Hour.
I have news for this idiot, my wife and I live and work in China, we heard nothing about it and saw no lights or anything else go out. These lefty idiots think they can get away with these type of lies and wonder why it makes their case worse.
Posted by: Pissedoff at March 30, 2008 6:05 AMYo, anon. You wonder why we are making fun of this exercise in idiocy?
1. the same crew were wrong about DDT, and how may millions have died?
2. the same bunch of morons were wrong about nuclear power, and how much particulate matter has been dumped in the atmosphere?
3. the same group of idiots were wrong about incineration, and how much methane has been produced form our landfills?
So, please spare us your moonbat outrage, dipshit!
Posted by: kingstonlad at March 30, 2008 6:45 AMAlways amusing how lefties like anon don't get that we are Joking. Such literalist, small-minded Twits they are.
Posted by: otter at March 30, 2008 6:54 AM"As I said in another thread, your wanton disregard and active contempt for things that are important to others"
And that...anony....is the pot calling the kettle black.
Me - I did my part, just for anony and other followers of the GREAT Suzuki/Gore religion. I made sure that the only lights that were on were in the two rooms we were watching TV, oh - and the computer room. But I did switch that off when I left the room (isn't there something that says that you actually use MORE energy switching on and off lights - or is that and old wives tale (or for you city folk - which I assume anony is - an URBAN myth)
Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 30, 2008 7:07 AMIt's so easy to turn off your power for an hour to feed your sense of self righteousness. Now try living that way, day after day, year after year. No refrigeration, no stereo, no Ipod, no computer for your internet, no electrical heat, no lights, no power to run medical equipment, and that's all I can think of in the moment. I remember the 03 blackout, and while we had a great lying out on the front lawn looking up at the stars, I also remember it was for only 24 hours.
Posted by: tower at March 30, 2008 7:17 AMDon Cherry and David Suzuki agree:
On Hockey Night in Canada no less.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at March 30, 2008 7:22 AM"Harper" = Prime Minister Harper.
Good man; a Daniel.
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"Harper snubs Earth Hour
Thanks to its place of prominence in the capital, 24 Sussex Dr., the Prime Minister's residence, is always easy to spot. As Ottawa went dark last night for Earth Hour, it was even easier.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's lights stayed on."(TO Star)
Posted by: maz2 at March 30, 2008 7:48 AMMan, I wish we were getting some of that "AGW" that the leftards have been shrieking about.
According to the weather network, it is -10C in Kingston at this moment. Forget about earth hour, I am just thankful that I swapped out the old furnaces for high efficiency ones. Stick the recycling, I am now saving money due to replacing 40 odd windows.
It is a good thing that I did not listen to fruit fly and his merry band of leftards when I was planning my renovation schedule.
IDIOT MOONBATS!
Posted by: kingstonlad at March 30, 2008 7:58 AMUnintelligible wrote:
"And in case anyone isn't really clear on how to interpret the graph that Kate posted here, it shows that the level by which actual demand was shy of projected was greatest between 6 and 10pm. Apparently most people switched off for a good bit longer than the one hour that was suggested.
And for a price, I can help with other mathematical difficulties you may be having."
Hey spud, you must be a product of the New Math. There is no such conclusion in that graph. The stepped projection can't be resolved that finely. The graph shows that there is no attributable statistical difference in usage, whatsoever. Doesn't appear your analyses are worth listening to, let alone paying for.
Posted by: Skip at March 30, 2008 7:58 AMObviously, people here don't watch CTV Pravda because according to the "news" report this morning, earth day was a roaring success. That seque'd into a story of Halifax trying to break the record for pub crawling (London and St John's too). I guess that booze induced "blackouts" count too.
The really sad thing is that there are still a lot of people out there that believe the MSM's version without question. Pity, eh.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at March 30, 2008 7:59 AMWell I hope those susukites and gorites fell they got their absolution last evening. You know it's tough feeling so righteous living in their monster homes with their deep jucuzzi tubs running and their children playing video games night after night.
One has to wonder if new environmental religion (susukite/gorite) has now replaced the old religions (thou shalt not...). So instead of going to hell, they will burn here on earth :-).
Posted by: Catherine at March 30, 2008 8:02 AMVanishing polar bears keep the lights on. LOL
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[Canadian] "Coast guard icebreaker keeps enough light to warn if polar bears try to jump on deck"
THE NORTH
Symbolic dimming on frozen Arctic Ocean
http://tinyurl.com/2xrka4 (TO Red Star)
it goes above and below projected all the time. So being a little above or a little below isnt a big deal.
As kate said up is up. It should have been flat or down for there to have been a major effect.
But remember this was PR and show with now real effect anyway. Furnaces, TV's, Refrigerators were all allowed to be on and you would be in compliance.
As I said....all show, just like signing Kyoto.
Posted by: Stephen at March 30, 2008 8:13 AMahhh, gotta love lefty logic.
Anon - ...wanton disregard and active contempt for things that are important to others...
HAHAHAHA, I almost bust a gut on that one!!! Seriously, that was funny!
The left: bringing you repression of non-state allowed for your own good since 1918 (well, pick a date).
The left: we're hurt because you don't care!!
I am sorry, I'll try to care even less about your views in the future, maybe you will grow out of it!
missed the html tag
The left: bringing you repression of non-state allowed fill in the blank for your own good since 1918 (well, pick a date).
Posted by: Frenchie77 at March 30, 2008 8:40 AManon said
"It's important to some people...so why shit all over that? Who cares if you don't agree with them - is it necessary to ruin the efforts of others? Seriously, what kind of low-grade vindictive idiocy is that? Did someone take a dump all over someone's Christian Easter holiday or something? Where does this come from?"
Communism was important to some people - but it was important to rain on that parade, wasn't it. As more and more people are falling to the madness of crowds, it is necessary to take a stand and make a point, to bring them to their senses.
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," seemed pointless at the time but that little bit of truth, crumbled an empire.
Fer all you mathematical types out there, if one were to integrate the area under the green curve and the black projected curve, then one might say there was less usage. The abrupt slope changes at about 1600 and 1900 say that someone was likely adjusting their usage in unusual ways, so I guess you could say there was 'awareness' raised.
But, as you can clearly see the usage went up at 1600, so does this say that folks were simply doing what they normally do during the hour of doom, just doing so a little earlier? The awareness raised is one for politicians. The average person out there will adjust their life, but only a bit and only for a short time. Those pols who wish to keep their seat need to understand 60% reductions in our normal way of life are anathema. Now back to the game....
As usual, this stunt last night was fuelled by liberal guilt and all those good intentions to which we know where they lead...
I don't feel ANY liberal guilt about my lifestyle, so why should I play along--'same as a number of posters here.
I'm no liberal and why should I feel guilty?
I live in an apartment, 'don't have a cottage or a holiday house, my husband and I drive one small car between us, we haven't flown anywhere in years, I do a laundry maybe once a week IN COLD WATER, we're easy on our hydro ALL THE TIME...
So, Dr. Sukuki Bigfoot and all of your acolytes: LAY OFF. Slink back to your two mansions, first-class, of course, and leave the rest of us alone. You should feel guilty, so go do something about it yourself, instead of laying your guilt on us.
Posted by: batb at March 30, 2008 9:03 AMStephen Taylor 'outs' the cbc,and others for NOT being Earth Hour followers!
Posted by: Sammy at March 30, 2008 9:17 AMOT,but heads up..cbc news Sunday going to cover HRC in second hr.
Posted by: Sammy at March 30, 2008 9:59 AMLet me get this straight. We were supposed to turn off our non-greenhouse gas generating hydroelectric powered lights so that we can make a symbollic gesture about climate change using cabon dioxide producing candles?
The greenies must be smoking wacky tabacky! (Sorry, that generates carbon dioxide as well!)
Posted by: Earl the Pearl at March 30, 2008 10:08 AMInsightful how the wack job, anon, compares earth hour to Christmas.
Essentially, it is saying, "You wreck my religious holiday and I'll wreck yours." And that's exactly what it is. A religious cult, that I want no part of. I reject their doomsday faith and their sacred text, 'An inconvenient truth,' given by their prophet, Gore. I also find it offensive that governments and tax dollars are being used to promote the cult. In this they are attempting forced conversion into a National religion. Just like Islam.
Toronto had its share of cult members swaying in the unnaturally freezing cold down at Nathan Phillips square, while helicopters flew overhead to record the event. The live music was 'acoustic' despite the fact it was blared out of gigantic speakers through the P/A system. But its the thought that counts, not the reality. The local newscasters made sure there were many candles around them, despite the 10k's shining in their faces and the cameras rolling. Utter hypocricy, doused in insanity.
Increasingly, I feel that mankind is going to have to formally separate into two tribes. Moonbat nation and the rest of us.
Posted by: irwin daisy at March 30, 2008 10:13 AMLiberals-socialists freezing in the dark? Let them alone. Where/when did we hear that before?
"Ironically, one Earth Hour promoter suggested sitting in the dark and burning candles instead of having the lights on. Alas, burning wax is a much less efficient method of producing light, and a process that produces more CO2, than using fluorescent (or even incandescent bulbs) that have been produced as a result of industrial progress, and market-based innovation." (stephen taylor)
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Oh, the irony. "Dion, a former environment minister" = Liberal Citoyen Dion of the infamous Ad$cam Party, snuffs up the hydrocarbons. Or, were the candles organic, hydrocarbon free?
"Dion, a former environment minister, even delivered a speech by candlelight in Toronto to a gala dinner recognizing Greek independence."
(TO Red Star)
Quoth the greenies: "Resistance is futile! You will be [urk!] ... wheeze... leggo...!!!!
Posted by: The Phantom at March 30, 2008 10:22 AMhow much energy is used - that's the mark of how advanced civilisation is!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: george at March 30, 2008 10:22 AMAs kate says, up is up. The actual usage should have lowered during the 8-9 time phase; instead, it dipped at 5, went up during the supper 6, dipper slightly at 7 but continued up, up, up. IF people had been obeying the orders to be sheep and shut off hydro use, it ought to have fallen dramatically. Instead, it went up. The 'model' of projected use isn't relevant. What's important is what actually happened.
manny - you seem to be suggesting that if a group of people have a similar conclusion, it means that their thoughts are 'programmed-controlled'. Does this mean that if we, in the majority, agree that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen that our conclusion has no validity; it's just 'thought-controlled'?
Did it ever occur to you that we reject Earth Hour because of its actual nature, i.e., it is specious, irrelevant and furthermore, actually harms human efforts to deal with both emissions and pollution? After all, people will simply say, 'Well, I've done my bit' after turning off their lights for one hour. And do nothing further about anything; they'll leave that up to The Government - which is supposed to do everything.
Anonymous - with regard to your 'wanton disregard and active contempt' for things that are important to others. Heck, what about your wanton disregard and active contempt' for the importance of rejecting AGW and summer-camp groupie sing-alongs like Earth Hour....
Posted by: ET at March 30, 2008 10:25 AMI messed with my neighbors by turning off most of the lights but ran the dishwasher and dryer!
Posted by: pj at March 30, 2008 10:28 AMI just read where the Goreacle is coming to Trawna to teach a enviro course to us deniers. Two MP's have signed on to be brainwashed some more. M Belanger is one. So watch it, you will be assimilated.
Posted by: Tewchip at March 30, 2008 10:33 AMhttp://www.thestar.com/SpecialSections/EarthHour/article/407295
The PM kept the lights on, three cheers for PM Harper!
Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!
Posted by: Zip at March 30, 2008 10:45 AMActually, george, you are exactly right. The ratio of energy processing does correlate with the complexity of a biological organism. And a society.
A more complex organism uses, processes more energy than a simple one! The different between a one-celled organism..and an elephant. Same with societies.
Low energy societies, like hunting and gathering, can only support a small population. About thirty people in a group. When mankind began to increase their technological capacity to process more energy, well..that society could support more people. That also meant a more complex social organization and so on.
So, you are right. The greater the technological advances, the greater the capacity for energy processing..and the higher the capacity to support a population in a healthy style.
Posted by: ET at March 30, 2008 10:50 AMFrom an Australian blog:
"Now we have this image of darkness, and consciousness, going around the world," he said. "It is a message of hope and optimism … we, the citizens of the world, are prepared to take action and we want to defeat climate change."
Or this line from the story: "There was darkness — and we saw it was good."
Once again facts and reason is being snuffed out by feelings. Another dark ages, brought about by the new religious cult, AGW.
Posted by: irwin daisy at March 30, 2008 10:52 AMBut wait, I thought overpopulation was the core problem? There are just too many people. Wouldn't a global no-sex day be a far more effective demonstration of earthiness? (Certain special groups get a pass, but if they want to join in an expression of solidarity, hey, no problem).
Posted by: shaken at March 30, 2008 10:55 AMThe funny part is that for coal generated electricity, shutting off the lights in the house for an hour reduces CO2 by ZERO. The turbines have less strain on them but they still turn at the same spead which requires virtually the same amount of steam. Not to mention which you don't just turn off a coal fire for an hour then restart it and expect to have the generating capacity on line that you will need to meet the demand of everyone turning on their lights.
Posted by: Joe at March 30, 2008 11:06 AMI spent last night on East Hastings in the heart of NDP / Green country. Blazing bright lights everywhere.
Posted by: RobertJago at March 30, 2008 11:15 AM"Did someone take a dump all over someone's Christian Easter holiday or something?"
I wouldn't have made that comparison, but thanks for bringing it up. Matter of fact, most lefties do spend a lot of time crapping on Christian traditions. Before it was just harmless fun to irritate the greenies; now i'm gettin' that healthy glow of self-righteous anger...and I'm not even that religous.
Posted by: christopher rivers at March 30, 2008 11:29 AMET said "A more complex organism uses, processes more energy than a simple one! The different between a one-celled organism..and an elephant."
Skinny people are simpletons?
Posted by: Tenebris at March 30, 2008 11:50 AMtenebris, hah, hah. Your beanstick figure isn't an indictor of your lack of complexity. It might be due to your anorexia but that's a different story.[Or is it?] It's the number of different cells and their organization that's the basis of complexity.
So, a fat person and a thin person are equal in complexity of organization. Just because there's more same-cells in the Fat Man doesn't increase the complexity of organization.
irwin daisy - environmentalism is indeed a type of religious experience, based only on faith, rejection of facts and reason, and a yearning for collective togetherness. [The opposite of Benedict's outline of true religion, by the way.]
Posted by: ET at March 30, 2008 11:58 AMSo "anon" admits environmentalism IS a religion. Just what we suspected all along. Poor misguided lost soul.
By the way, nearly everyone in my lovely Fraser Valley neighborhood had their lights ON last night at eight.
Posted by: Soccermom at March 30, 2008 12:44 PMI would gain a little respect for gorazuki if they reduced their carbon foot print down to my level,then I would consider reducing mine even further,till then,screw off.
Posted by: h.ryan. at March 30, 2008 1:03 PMSo, anon has come up with another excuse to s**t on Christians, I mean Jesus freaks. So what.
Anon, perhaps we could have an Inquisition to deal with those climate heretics who didn't follow the fatwa.
In anon's world, if he/she feels something is important we must comply; otherwise he/she gets to go after what others feel is important.
You do what you want, I'll do what I want, anon. Welcome to free society. Now go back to sleep in the dark.
Posted by: Shamrock at March 30, 2008 1:03 PMmanny - you seem to be suggesting that if a group of people have a similar conclusion, it means that their thoughts are programmed-controlled'.-ET
No, I'm suggesting that if Mistress Kate says jump, the lickspittle small dead minds say how high. You just happen to be on the other side of the same group-think coin.
Posted by: manny at March 30, 2008 3:11 PMKathy, you belong in marketing! I hear the Chinese government is hiring Anglophones.
Posted by: dilettante at March 30, 2008 3:23 PMshaken wrote:
"But wait, I thought overpopulation was the core problem? There are just too many people. Wouldn't a global no-sex day be a far more effective demonstration of earthiness?
Yes, but you'll be able to buy "sex credits" to offset your urges.
Rumour has it that Charlie Sheen, Madonna and Eliot Spitzer are already starting up a "sex credit" exchange.
Posted by: rockme at March 30, 2008 3:26 PMActually, manny, "group think" is only on the side of those who, you know, actually think.
Your side is irrational, illogical and emotional. No thinking. No questioning. Just jump off the cliff while hugging (I wish). Or, in this case, turning off the lights for an hour, in order to feel less guilty.
In fact, I think the right should hijack your odd little guilt hour and retitle it - 'leftard hour', or maybe 'moonbat hour'. Perhaps next year I'll come up with an alternative logo to pass around the blogs.
Posted by: irwin daisy at March 30, 2008 4:04 PMDaisy, where did you get the idea that I'm on a side? Earth hour is as idiotic as Red Fridays. But where the side you detest is silly in an absurd, quixotic sort of way, yours is conformist in an ugly, nasty sort of way.
Posted by: manny at March 30, 2008 4:21 PMID: "Perhaps next year I'll come up with an alternative logo to pass around the blogs."
Now that would be devastating.
Skip, I'm sorry you're having trouble with this.
Posted by: ¢rÄßG®äŠŠ at March 30, 2008 4:39 PM"your wanton disregard and active contempt for things that are important to others has given me a veritable license to sh*t all over the Christmas season for about a dozen diehard Jesus freaks. I look forward to making the birth of the baby Jesus miserable"
Is it possible you are truly this stupid? Or are you simply trolling, as you've done elsewhere on this site? If it's the latter, I apologize to the SDA readers for trying to explain a bit of common sense here; if it's the former, then at least you've an excuse.
The celebrations of Christmas and Easter have no effect on you, personally, unless you benefit from working in the retail industry and the increase in resulting sales.
However, as we are seeing, the concerted effort by the AGW crowd is pushing for changes in YOUR life: changing from incandescent lights to mercury-laden fluorescent bulbs, the attempted hijacking of your disposable income with 3rd world cash laundering schemes such as kyoto, unwarrented and useless increases in fuel and energy costs, the state control of your home's thermostat (California).
Do you understand now, anon, why conservatives take offense at this rank pile of eco-nonsense? We are trying to get as many people as possible to consider the possibility that AGW is nothing more than the most elaborate fraud perpetrated in history, and that the huge sucking sound is that of everyone's disposable income being siphoned to pay for it. As Mark Steyn said, "Think of Adscam as a National Film Board Short, and Kyoto as 'Waterworld' ".
Now, anon, you can either start thinking critically about what you're being force-fed from the media and Left, or continue to revel in brain-dead mob thinking and turn out another light (better yet, why not your PC?). Either way, Gaia and the climate won't change a whit.
mhb23re
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First off, Earth Hour was 7pm-8pm not 7pm-9pm.
Secondly, if this is the chart you're using to prove your point:
http://www.theimo.com/imoweb/siteShared/demand_price.asp?sid=ic
The points for the actual energy use is for the average energy use in an hour. The rise in energy use between 7p,-8pm doesn't show that energy use increased during that period, but that compared to 7pm-7:59pm there was more energy use during 8pm to 8:59pm. They're just using lines to join up the different points on the graph. This explains the dip after 18hr (6pm) to 19hr (7pm). People didnt slowly decrease their energy use leading up to Earth Hour (7p,m-8pm), but that there was less energy used at 7pm-7:59pm than at 6pm to 6:59pm.
Posted by: sharonapple at March 30, 2008 7:29 PMAs a liberal, I'm profoundly disappointed in my fellow latte sipping dirty hippy leftard moonbats To think, all we had to do was promote an international Don't Shoot Yourself in the Head Day...
...now that's just poor planning on our part, I have to say.
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at March 30, 2008 7:59 PMSharonApple, are you saying that earth hour was an hour in length? Is that what you're saying?
That's exactly the kind of subtlety that will get you into hot water around these here parts.
Has anyone aside from me considered the possibility that this post was entirely tongue-in-cheek? Though I disagree with most of Kate's positions, I don't see her as especially dim.
Posted by: ¢rÄßG®äŠŠ at March 30, 2008 8:03 PMJR:
I see no harm in a GW advocate shooting themselves in the head.
They'd probably miss. just like they keep missing the point that science has never been settled.
Tongue-in-cheek? I doubt it. I do think, however, that Mistress Kate does take perverse delight in watching her monkeys dance when she grinds her organ.
Posted by: manny at March 30, 2008 9:00 PMoooohhhhh mannnyyy ---lickspittle small dead minds -- thank you very much and have a nice day! BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!!!
Posted by: Orlin at March 30, 2008 9:18 PMManny, maybe you're right, but there are two possibilities; a person either understands the graph or does not. I suppose I have no way of knowing whether I'm being overly generous.
Anyway, the thought of maybe 11 or 12 people across the country actually making an effort to use more energy than usual between 8 and 9pm on Saturday takes me straight back to my daughter's most contrary period, between the ages of 2 and 3 or so. People like this have family members, in-laws, and friends who are embarrassed by them.
Bye for now.
Posted by: ¢rÄßG®äŠŠ at March 30, 2008 10:07 PMMr. Diacritics at 10:07:
Not a Canadian example, but you might find it embarrassing if a group of 40ish businessmen dressed up in native garb and threw tea in the bay, just cause they didn't like taxes. What good would that do?
somethingass...But we do see you as extremely dim.
Posted by: h.ryan. at April 1, 2008 6:21 PM