I don't understand, what is wrong with all this?

If it protects just one "special" person from being exposed to hate, isn't it all worth it??

Richard Warman, and his kin, deserve a medal of bravery/integrity for their actions. We should pin that medal to his a&& just before we kick him onto a ice floe to research this global warming thing, which apparently only haters deny is happening!!

Actually Kate, I suspect when "he tears off that suit and bursts forth" that he will actually be clad in the latest line from Victoria's Secret.

It's a very important exposure of exactly how these HRCs work.

Without due process, without any accountability, as private, personal vigilante groups.

Think about it. There are no records of their activities as they explore the internet for 'people-who-hate'. Remember, they are attempting to find data to prosecute someone but they don't have any records of their data base or research.

There are no records that they themselves post on websites under anonymous names to incite adverse reaction. No records that such behaviour, ie, their own posts, are the catalyst for complaints to the HRC.

No records that they are using innocent people's internet connections!

So, not only are there no records of their data base, but there are no reasons for their judgments. They refuse some cases and reject others. Consider the reason for the refusal of one case: that it was written on two sided paper, even though it was faxed as one-sided. Why would this be a reason, or was the real reason the fact that it 'hate-message' was written by someone allied to the HRC?

And again, as we've said so often before, this Section 13.1 of the HRAct is not based on actual experiences of hate or contempt. It's based purely and only on the message and what the HRC feels MIGHT be a result. Not IS a result. But 'might be' a result.

How can anyone on this earth prove beyond any reasonable doubt that if I write such and such, what the result might be, and charge me for that result - even when it has never happened?

This is what we are doing in Canada.

We are actually charging people for things that have never happened.
We are furthermore, claiming that IF I write such and such, THEN...X will result. But, how can one prove that the result is due to what I wrote? Couldn't it be due to something else?

If I write that X-people are untrustworthy, and Mr. X says that someone has accused him of being untrustworthy..and it's all due to my having written that..and he's a victim..and..

BUT, BUT..couldn't it be instead the fact that Mr. X is, as an individual, untrustworthy and that's why people view him that way? Who can prove that the way people view him is due to his own behaviour ..or...my web page which no-one has read?

How can we permit such a system to operate in Canada? These HRC have become private, self-defined, self-absorbed vigilante groups. In Canada.

Frenchie, Victoria's Secret? No way. Madam Pain's House 'O Rubber. Gotta be.

I love the Retard-o-sphere on this too. Nothing to see, move along. Government minions hijacking private citizen's wireless points, ignoring law, rules of evidence, common bloody sense, none of this is important.

Kate McMillan posts something about the Nazis being nothing without the German government behind them? Now THAT is important. They are all over that like ugly on a wart hog.

I read Dr. Dawg's "coverage" of this hearing. Condescension dripping from every word and making a puddle on the floor. Neo-con racist lovers shaking hands with pudgy racists, blah blah blah.

I have only one question for the doctor: Dude, how would you like to have the business end of this CHRC thing pointed at you? What are you going to do if Harper appoints the Church Lady to run this freak show? Hmn?

This is all just SO not about Mark Lemire.

phantom, I don't read Dawg because he's so superficial and trapped within semantics and relativism.

He's part of the clique of Platonists, those who consider themselves 'Rulers', or 'Philosopher-Kings', ie, they have the wisdom which we peasants lack. So, they can run the HRCs without due process, without records, without evidence, because they 'know' what is right and wrong. There is no need for them to be accountable; they are the Wise Men.

So, since we are peasants, they feel that they can, and should, do whatever they want, to rule. That includes entrapment, it includes abuse of privacy, it includes violation of our rights - heck, we have none except what they permit us.

It's extreme arrogance. What they reject is that we, peasants that we are, have the same capacity to reason as they do. And we'll make up our own minds about what we read and hear. We don't need these elitists to censor our world.

Phantom - Victoria's Secret? No way. Madam Pain's House 'O Rubber. Gotta be

Really, you think he's into the PVC scene. I assumed that since he is so easily offended that he must really be a soft and tender individual that makes one just want to get to know and cuddle him..

Sorry, I almost got sick writing that, I apologise to those reading it...

Hey, can I get offended at my own writing?
JadeWarr, avenge me please !!!!!

I really really really want to a job investigating complaints at the CHRC.

I can see Richard Evans and Kathy Shaidle and I pouring over the complaints and deciding who's been naughty and who's been nice.

It's just a government appointment away, after all, and my guys are in office.

You'd think the stinking leftosphere would have stumbled on that between exercises into "logical" extension...

Maybe if I place a few calls to the right people, I can twitch their alarm bells?

ET, I don't usually read his blather either. I used to frequent (ok, troll at) McClelland's bog, Dr. Dawg was more polite than most of the wankers but certainly no more coherent. Type of guy who will focus on a spelling mistake if that's all he can find to object to.

I made an exception this time because he was there in person, so it might be useful to see what he said.

It was useful. He's everything you just said. His response to being "investigated" by the CHRC would be to whine and whine about the unfairness of it all, and how the process is corrupt, and he'd probably even complain about the basic stupidity of having a blind investigator "looking" for clues on the friggin' Internet, a visual medium.

In short, he'd say every damn thing you and I and Ezra have said, and he'd say it LOUD. Because its all true, he just finds it convenient to allow it to continue for the moment because its pointed at people he doesn't like.

Frankly, I don't like Mark Lemire either. I'm one of the people he hates. I find it infinitely safer to ignore Mark Lemire and his puny, insignificant, impotent hatred than to tolerate the CHRC now that I know about it.

What that says about Dr. Dawg and Warren Kinsmella et al I'll leave to others. My vocabulary fails me.

I hope my American compadres take note of what happens with an extra-constitutional monarchial government. A complete lack of checks and balances of power and it’s all perfectly legal.
Defend the following with your life if necessary,

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Don’t tread on Me!

So anyone with a wireless internet connection can now raise reasonable doubt because there are no records kept and the CHRC has a history.

Nice....they couldnt have undermined their own position more if they tried. Anyone posting ugly hate messages simply has to do that.

Now the CHRC cant even enforce the regulations, I hesitate to call them laws, that they are supposed to...solely because of their own stupidity.....nicely done.

As for who was the mystery "jadwardriver"...couldnt have been steacy, 12:30 am signing up to a connection, his disability rules him out. Someone else inside that office who knew the password got the info....or it was given to an outsider...neither answer is good for them.

I hope Nelly sues them for dragging her into the whole issue. Imagine if the cops drove by your house and then used your wireless connection for any purpose? This just isnt done....the cops dont use my lawnmower while I am out.

Isnt it a criminal matter now? Perhaps someone with more legal expertise than I could opine on that matter.

he just finds it convenient to allow it to continue for the moment because its pointed at people he doesn't like.

"First they came for the communists..."

Kate, you just beat me on that send button. What the HELL are these Lefties thinking? Not about self preservation, that's for sure.

Kate McMillan and Kathy Shaidle, two of the three CHRC tribunal members! Shutting down the Leftosphere one retard at a time and pocketing the damages. Kinda gives you a warm, tingly feeling eh?

That kind of thing is exactly what they accuse the Conservatives of, day in and day out. If they were serious in their beliefs about Conservatives, you would think the prospect of a Kate/Kathy/Church Lady triumvirate would scare them to death.

Apparently not.

Could it be all their bluster about the eeeeeviles of Conservatism are complete crapola? That they actually think, privately of course, that Conservatives are good guys who won't stoop to Liberal tactics?

Apparently so.

After reading the live blog of Kady Chic (as little as I could stomach) and reading other blogs for responses since, it does give a person pause for thought. If she found it as boring/non-consequential as was conveyed, then this is what a whole lot of her readers are bound to get from it. What is to be the reaction(s) of the average person who doesn't really pay much attention to these things. Not much would be my guess as the MSN, other than Macleans & National Post, are still treating the HRC issues as non reportable.

Ezra's analysis/reflections are very important as they come from a legal perspective that most of us do not have. After the Tues. go-around, it is pretty clear that little if any change is going to come from with the CHRC/CHRT. The hoped-for significant bump from the 25th in terms of bringing the HRCs under control just doesn't seem to be happening.

By Wed noon, I'm left with the feeling of - is this all there is - one day - and most of that was filled with the I don't recall kinds of things - no transcripts - a number of conspicuous players being absent. The circus continues on unabated. This is a really sad situation but the HRCs are probably feeling that they have successfully removed this issue from the public interest point of view.

Any meaningful change must come from changes in legislation and federally this is going to be a monumental task. It comes down to will and I just can't see being there.

My thoughts are that the best way to go now are to focus on the individual provincial HRCs and hope that things come up in the near future that will put pressure on the provincial politicians.

It will probably take another inquisition like Ezra's shown on U Tube to get things going again in AB. Premier Ed/the media are burying this one very deep right now and my guess is that anything in the way of potential controversy is not likely to be accepted while the anything in process is likely to be kept in process.

Hopefully the Macleans/Steyn issue will get the water boiling again in ON and federally but I wouldn't expect to see much interest from AB. The heads will be down here with most of the noise, if any, simply going over top.

Sounds like Ms. Hechme got a free lesson on "Why you should NOT run an open access point"...

Dr. Dawg is more interested in (patronizingly and at great length) parsing the historical etymology of the word "freedom" -- than he is in actually fighting for it...

"First they came for the communists, and the people cheered."

"Then they came for the socialists, and the people cheered."

"Then they came for the Liberals, and the people cheered."

"And they lived happily ever after."

Stephen wrote: Isnt it a criminal matter now? Perhaps someone with more legal expertise than I could opine on that matter.

I don't think one can sue a Federal Government entity, but I might be wrong. She could sue the complainant or the defendant in civil court I believe, it's not plausable for the guilty person to be someone other than a HRC employee or one of the special interest groups involved. Only they could plausably access the Jadewarr account, and then use her net connection. I further opine that the person, or scum bag, that used her signal placed her in danger. After all the CJC and other special interest groups keep telling US how dangerous the Neo Nazis are, by using her account and allowing her name to be released-without objections from any of the parties involved- the HRC victimized this women. That in it's self is a violation of Section 13, releasing her name has subjected her to abuse, internet harassment etc. So the scum bag who stole her IP addy needs to be indentified, hopefully by a qualified POLICE OFFICER. I'm not holding my breath, it appears that HRC employees and their "Special Friends" are above the law. I guess we mere mortal can be victimized at the whim of the various HRC employees.

It is not easy to shut down a government bureaucracy, because it, over time, sets up its own rules, its own protective network, its own 'reason for being'.

The fact remains, that freedom of speech is based on the supposition that each and every one of us is endowed with the capacity to reason, to think.

Those who would limit our freedom of speech reject this supposition. They assert that we are not equal in this endowment of reason and that there must therefore be a government body that regulates what information we are allowed to view and discuss.

They assert that 'experts in human rights' alone have this superior wisdom. First error. What does 'expertise in human rights' actually mean? After all, isn't 'thinking' a 'human right'? How is it that only the HRC bureaucrats are allowed to think?

Second, their indifference to due process, rules of evidence, equality of treatment, and accountability, shows us that the HRC are not in our control, that is, they are not governed by us, the citizens. Instead, they are an elitist oligarchy, outside of our control, with the declared intention of controlling what we think.

And third, again, I comment that their focus on making a judgment based on what has not happened, is astonishing. How can a respectable, democratic country, operating according to the rule of law, actually judge its citizens for actions that haven't happened? It's like something out of Kafka. Here, In Canada.

The reason this kind of thing happens is because of the LIberal Mindset.

Scratch a LIberal and you find an intolerant, arrogant and sanctimonious bully that will gladly see your freedom squashed for the sake of enforcing their own personal wishes on the lives of others.
In short ... what ideals or wishes you hold will always be held subordinate to their own.

Make every day Hand a LIberal a smackdown day!

Criminal code: 326. (1) Every one commits theft who fraudulently, maliciously, or without colour of right, ... (b) uses any telecommunication facility or obtains any telecommunication service.

Furthermore, (2) Where a person is convicted of an offence under subsection (1) or paragraph 326(1)(b), any instrument or device in relation to which the offence was committed or the possession of which constituted the offence, on such conviction, in addition to any punishment that is imposed, may be ordered forfeited to Her Majesty, whereupon it may be disposed of as the Attorney General directs.

Potential theft of WiFi service. Sounds to me like there may have been a criminal act. If more than one party was involved, there may also have been a conspiracy to commit a criminal act. Who knew about this, and when did they know it?

These are the kinds of questions that begin to hint at the need for a full public inquiry.

I would be perfectly delighted if a parliamentary motion was tabled demanding the government launch an immediate investigation to determine if a full public inquiry is warranted, and furthermore making that a matter of confidence in the government.

Kinda makes you wonder what happened to the progressives often stated support of Benjamin Franklin's "That it is better 100 guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer, is a maxim that has been long and generally approved." I guess that this just applies to harmless criminals like pedophiles and murders. Those engaging in improper thought and speech are not worthy of the same consideration or legal protections. It justifies the 100% conviction rate and need for using such questionable tactics.

I think ET is finally getting it,

The CHRC’s hearing was an act of courtesy to the Canadian People. How dare you question the hand that feeds you. The Government in no way stands answerable or liable to the Canadian People.

CHRC is an agent of the Queen’s government = Sovereign Immunity and is subject to Royal Prerogative. It is in fact an extra-constitutional entity.

Uppity serfs!

Actually, I think Kate has hit on the best way to gain cross partisan support for ending these commissions.

Although Ezra's plan is more slow and steady, the most radical and fastest way to build support for the complete removal of these commissions would by to appoint a bunch of "right-wing, knuckle dragging, neo-cons" as investigators, collude with a neo-con serial complainer and go after every lefty our there.

Maybe if this weapon was turned on them, more on the left would come around to seeing what a danger this is.

Enjoyed every line. Ezra is a very smart man, very logical and clear thinker, who knows how to write and speak his mind.

The commission is am amazing abomination!

I tried to obtain a complaint form from them for a few weeks now - they won't give it to me w/o me first speaking to their official and proving to him that it was a good complaint.

Soooo following on the logistics of this 'show trial' and the weak defense for HRC's use of another person's IP address; is the next 'case' to be Lucy drags Nellie under the couch and offers her $$$ to stop posting under the Jadewar thingie? Nellie can 'post' anything she wants to post now (and also all the people working with her IP address can post anything they want to post - incriminating any number of 'shades', destroying the reputations of anyone they choose - at random. No Canadian knows how many Lucy's or Nellies or Jadewarriers or richie riches are out there - many murders of black crows hovering over every website...Law of unintended consequences.

We all look forward to the day when Kate, Kathy and the Church Woman are in charge of things at the HRC. Only one government appointment away...

I have looked at the maps....it is too far for your standard wifi link.

Invoking Occum's razor the simpler explaination is that someone is either in the building which narrows it to the apt above, below, beside or across the hall.....it was a pleasant enough day to go for a walk, thats for sure

Is that an apartment building the west side of Lyon across from the condo that is 344 slater?

Point if not in the building then you need to be close and there are a number of other condo's/apartments in the area that could directly face....all speculation.

The only facts are that the Ip address belonged at that date to the woman...the woman has denied any knoweldge but said she had an unprotected wireless router. After that it is all speculation.

*
i'm sitting here in the parking lot at the local grocery store
with my wireless laptop, while mrs. neo is inside shopping...
hey, look at me... i'm an investigator too

*

The nonsense that goes on in government in this country is now reaching ridiculous proportions.
I thing it is about time to shut it all down and start again from scratch.

its just a matter of time before CBCpravda blames Harper for this. everyone can see its a whack of snivel servants gone power mad.

time for PMSH to dump this out of control lot.

CBCpravda has been awful quiet about the dump Dion poo fight in Quebec and any report on the CHRC

The wireless access point or home router may have an activity log, or DHCP log, with a record of the unique ethernet address of the PC used to make the offending posts. Perhaps it's not an ironclad link between a person and posted comments, but using an unprotected hotspot is not purely anonymous either if someone were to dig deep enough.

I just want to thank you for all of your support. You haven't even begun, however, to get the full story.

The truth, however, will out.

More later, patriots!

Actually the log would record the MAC address of the wireless device. Each one is unique. Unfortunately you would need to have access to the HRC's PC's to get a match and MAC addresses can be spoofed.

sorry, kpd, I don't concur with your notion of Canada as under the thumb and foot of the monarch.

The government IS answerable to the people, and this is why we are rejecting the HRCs, because they have moved themselves out of accountability.

The notion of freedom is an important value. It rests on a belief that the individual has the capacity to reason. That is, IF you can reason, then, your acts of free reasoning must inevitably lead you to a reasonably just conclusions.

After all, the prevention of freedom of action means that the authorities consider that your reasoning abilities are inadequate and your actions will therefore be harmful.

My point is that the very notion of a free individual or people rests on a belief in the human capacity to reason, to think.

This axiom refers not to individuals but to the people as a whole. We'll admit that some individual's reasoning will not lead them to reasonably just conclusions, but, over time, within the context of debate and questions, our human capacity to think, will serve us well.

The Platonists, aka People of the Left, the HRC etc, reject this belief. They reject both freedom and the universal capacity to reason. They consider that most people can't think (beer and popcorn) and require Rulers or HRC bureaucrats or Experts to guide their behaviour.

The Left enslaves people.

Someone who runs an open wireless router likely doesn't know how to obtain router logs. Most routers will maintain a list of MAC addresses of all wireless connections that have been made to them but this list would have to be retrieved frequently as it is limited to about 20-50 entries. That would mean writing a program to obtain the list from the router's webserver which even I haven't bothered doing.

If the person with the open wireless access point was logging all accesses, the only way to log MAC addresses of all machines accessing the network would be to have a program like Ethereal logging the headers of all packets that came through the router (I do this when I'm feeling especially paranoid and I'm glad I did this as when I used to have open wireless access points people would almost exclusively use them to download porn).

A MAC address may be unique, but many network cards allow changing of MAC addresses. The only criterion for a MAC address is that it be different than the MAC address of any other machine that is accessing the same router which isn't difficult and the chances of duplication with a randomly chosen MAC address are very small given that it's 48 bits long. If I was accessing someones wireless router clandestinely, I'd change the MAC address on the wireless card that I was using. Given the levels of intellectual ability demonstrated by HRC employees at the hearings, I doubt very much if any of them knew what a MAC address was.

Stephen @11:51:
"This just isnt done....the cops dont use my lawnmower while I am out."

You have 'grass'?!
;)

Taking your points a bit further, ET, this enslavement often has a voluntary nature to it: the collectivism of the left is a strategy to reduce individual risk. A consistent theme of the left is to avoid competition to prevent exposure to the risk of failure. Fear, that most powerful motivator, is easily exploited. Consistently, we see dogma of the left subscribing the elimination of competition and consequences of failure. Multiculturalism: celebrate even the most idiotic cultures (such as those seeing polio vaccinations as a white man's plot - cultures can indeed embrace stupidities that will lead to their downfall). Affirmative action: previously suppressed groups cannot compete and win. Fear of peanuts. Fear of illness. Fear of poor financial decisions. Fear of relationship failures. Consistently, the left's message is that the individual is incapable, and inadequate. Leftism is a retreat into the safety net of the gang, where your shyness from competition and fear of failure and rejection can masquerade as altruistic and lofty intentions. There's safety in numbers.

Mr. Steyn has an opinion piece up at Macleans:

tinyurl.com/2rltqm

Agree, shaken, leftism is a retreat into the safety of the gang. BUT, in order to be safe within the confines of that gang, within the Safe Haven of No Responsibility, there has to be a Leader or Governor of the Gang.

So, leftism sets up a two-tiered social, political structure. It's actually Hegelian: Slaves and Masters. You'll find that most leftists are Hegelian-Platonists.

The ordinary folk are the gang members who are not responsible for anything, who are completely looked after by the Masters, the Govt. They have handed over their freedom and their right-to-think, to the other tier. This tier are their Masters, the Government, who are Experts, Wise, and manage everything.

Most of the leftist pundits self-define themselves in this Upper Tier. They are wise, humane, authorities, experts. They make the decisions. The mass of the population are 'beer and popcorn'. Or frothing neocons. Whatever.

We see this mindset repeatedly in the writings of the left, with their insistence that freedom must be restricted - which also means that the right to think must be restricted - for freedom and thought are inseparable and irreducible.

The very indifference to due process, to accountability, to transparency, of the HRCs, reveals this refusal to acknowledge and permit the 'peasant class' the freedom to think.

Plus, there's that insistence that only they, the HRC, have the capacity to predict the future, and alone make judgments about what will happen if you speak such and such. You can't make such predictions about the results of your speech; only they can. Incredible - such arrogance.

I just read Mr. Steyn's take on the HRC tempest. Damn he is good.

"What proportion of Canada's "white supremacists" are, in fact, government employees? On a quiet day, chances must be pretty good that you'll log on and find the joint deserted except for "jadewarr" (Mr. Steacy) trying to entrap "estate" (Sgt. Camp) while "estate" (Sgt. Camp) is simultaneously trying to entrap "axetogrind" (Mr. Warman). "There really should be a register of pseudonyms," urged lawyer Doug Christie, "so that investigators don't wind up investigating each other." "

http://tinyurl.com/2p5gey

The Left enslaves people.

Absolutely right. Which is why they place useless eaters like Steacy in positions of authority over us.

This war is lost, the CHRC has won.

Ezra’s report is more of a lament at the weeping wall of freedom than a challenge to fight. He has abandoned hope as should all that enter that tribunal of the damned.

This body has been set outside of the law and it is untouchable. Whoever controls it becomes the most powerful force in Canada. It is able to use all our police resources at will and to hunt and harass anyone it chooses without due process of law.

They are confident enough to take on the media without fear of recourse. Maclean’s has no power against them and the others are ignorant of the danger. It will get worse, much worse.

The law schools stand silent against the assault on free speech. The lawyers have been purchased with a bottomless pit of government gold for their cooperation and participation. The professors and the columnists are mute because they hate conservative values.

There is a lot of clever prose on this site but not much action. It is going to take more than words to restore freedom of speech in Canada.

Akin off the Hill for CT and off to Global
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30980&Itemid=41

Undermines Canada's back-channels and switches teams... good for the press gallery for covering for his ass

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Shaken: "Consistently, the left's message is that the individual is incapable, and inadequate. Leftism is a retreat into the safety net of the gang, where your shyness from competition and fear of failure and rejection can masquerade as altruistic and lofty intentions. There's safety in numbers."
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Shaken: "the individual is incapable"

Kayerts and Carlier : "incapable individuals".

"They were two perfectly insignificant and incapable individuals, whose existence is only rendered possible through the high organization of civilized crowds. Few men realize that their life, the very essence of their character, their capabilities and their audacities, are only the expression of their belief in the safety of their surroundings. The courage, the composure, the confidence; the emotions and principles; every great and every insignificant thought belongs not to the individual but to the crowd: to the crowd that believes blindly in the irresistible force of its institutions and of its morals, in the power of its police and of its opinion. But the contact with pure unmitigated savagery, with primitive nature and primitive man, brings sudden and profound trouble into the heart. To the sentiment of being alone of one's kind, to the clear perception of the loneliness of one's thoughts, of one's sensations--to the negation of the habitual, which is safe, there is added the affirmation of the unusual, which is dangerous; a suggestion of things vague, uncontrollable, and repulsive, whose discomposing intrusion excites the imagination and tries the civilized nerves of the foolish and the wise alike." [...]
"And, irreverently, he was putting out a swollen tongue at his Managing Director."
Fin.
An Outpost of Progress
Joseph Conrad

My thoughts on this where summerized by a post to Ezra's site

I truly believe we're winning. The HRCs are being denormalized; now we have to turn our attention to the politicians who can do something about it. Let's write to Martin, Nicholson and Kenney, and encourage them to do the right thing.

I sure hope & pray your right. These people scare me more than a few dozen Mohawk sporting nuts. They actually think there normal.

What a zoo of infamy these thought courts have enabled.

You can’t rid the world of a mental illness like Jew hatred, or bigotry by laws designed to shut people up. We need free speech to reveal these termites in our political house. The CJC should know better.

I would think Harper & company would fall on this like wolves to supper, in defense of a citizens right to a fair trial. Perhaps their waiting was for this to become an issue first. Than have grass roots support to deactivate this injustice system of star chambers.

Its a win win politically even with a liberal putting a private members bill forward. It would show true bi-partnership when it comes to individual rights as compared to collective ones.

That freedom is a Canadian value worth fighting for even if your at political odds!

In more words, truth is more important than ideology or controlling peoples thinking.

I want to know who these haters are, just to be able to counter their rot by the verbal idiocy they spew. Not put them more underground or even worse make them martyrs to tyrants worse than them.

Great postings on this topic with the links. Your making a difference Ezra. Make no mistake about it.

James laments: "It is going to take more than words to restore freedom of speech in Canada."

James, my friend. Yes, it will. But...

Why do you think that hearing was even open? It was open because I and about a thousand other people dropped an email or a phone call to our MPs and asked what they planned to do about it.

And those MPs called the Tribunal and asked them what the hell are you idiots doing, my friggin' phone is ringing off the hook!

And the Tribunal guy said "tough sh1t!" to the CHRC dorks, and the hearing was opened.

Now we have -live- ammo to use on these creeps. Hijacking a private internet access point is live ammo.

So James, have you called YOUR MP yet? Are ya gonna? Or are you going to chastise me for not doing enough to save your bacon?

This ain't the Liberals. Get your ass moving and go save your own goddamn bacon!

You wanna do something about these fake human rights commissions?

Just start making the names of all the members of these commissions public.

Then people who recognize them in the street can re-educate these commissioners on what a 'free and democratic' country is all about.

This kind of scum works best in the dark where evil grows.

And they scurry like hell when they are held up to the light of public scrutiny.

Typical of the Trudeau/Mugabe/Castro/Stalin/Mao creed, 'The end justifies the means'.

IMO "...holding you up as his shield" is especially poignant. This woman truly and honestly had no idea her internet access was being compromised by the government of Canada, then as a bonus her name and address given out by her employer and posted on the internet. While the people doing the dirty work are safe in their little spidey holes flaunting the futile attempts of us mere mortals to uncover their illegal, immoral and definitely UNCanadian ways. Scares the bejeebers outta me 'cause I'm a nobobdy too. If it can happen to nellie then it can happen to you or me and that's just so wrong in so many ways.

Ezra's blog on the hearings at the CHRC should be required read for every Canadian. I pointed this out to Warren Kinsella along with certain other opinions that must have disturbed him some. He has actually banned me from commenting on his site. Which is kind of funny because he has yet to post even one of my comments. I am so glad that he has allowed comments to be posted on his laughable site. That jesture by WK has served to show that he is not interested in the least in allowing opinions that are diametrically opposed to his. If he was serious about allowing a flow of differing opinions you would see an avalanche of postings. But, like he did to me, many others are being censored into the lost cyberspace of ideas and opinions courtesy of the Lieberal, Warren Cantstandya. What a joke the man is.

research this global warming thing, which apparently only haters deny is happening

I've noticed the use of the word, 'haters' by the younger crowd more and more online over the past few years. Is this code for someone that doesn't go along with leftist groupthink?

Because y'know, if you're not a lefty you're all about the hate and vitriol and bad stuff and mean-spiritedness (whoops, my bad; 'mean-spiritedness' seems to have been abandoned now) that must be blindly rejected.

While I'm bitching about language, can we please get rid of 'move on'. It's always time to move on/get over it/change subject when the heat is on a lefty, isn't it?

See also, 'at risk', 'calling for', 'having said that', etc.

Anyone care to add any other annoying MSM catchphrases that become meaningless due to overuse?

Posted by: Shaken at March 27, 2008 4:13 PM

Excellent points, Shaken. The Left continually targets groups that they perceive to be susceptible to preferring safety over liberty.

Phantom I like your passion which I hope you will direct it at those that can change the system at the click of a mouse. The reality of politics in Canada is that once MP’s have been elected and counted then any influence they might exert on those in power disappears. The power in Canada resides in the office of the Prime Minister (PMO). He has proven resistant to the pleas of those that got him to where he is today. His looks at everything as a black eye or feather in his cap and he is giving us the impression that doing something about the CHRC will give him a black eye. In any event, direct your missives at him, nobody else counts.

[quote]The only facts are that the Ip address belonged at that date to the woman...the woman has denied any knoweldge but said she had an unprotected wireless router. After that it is all speculation.[/quote]

Stephen,
Also the speculation that the HRC may have had an inside person at the phone Company would explain more. The lady spoke to a reporter, not the police. I don't believe in happen chance.

The RCMP & CSIS testified in the Air India inquiry that they NEVER provide case files,
or copies without a formal (Written) request. How does the HRC get its information? Do they have a table at that special restaurant (Franks) in Montreal.

If the HRC is operating as a Vigilante group, those "Special" investigative "Tools" available to law enforcement are been abused.

This issue needs to be investigated by the RCMP!

Great posts. This thread should be required reading for all of our MPs and anyone at all interested in Canadians' democratic rights and freedoms...

I can't help but think and be grateful for the voices from the past--to the present--who have been speaking out on the loss of our freedoms for many years and have been treated like pariahs by the MSM and, therefore, all Canadians who get their info ONLY from the MSM (about 80%, I understand).

I'm talking about Ted Byfield, former editor of The Alberta Report and The Report, which segued into Ezra Levant's Western Report, and Gwen Landolt, past president and one of the founding members of REAL Women (Realistic, Equal, and Active for Life).

Both have blown the whistle on these leftie groups and their totalitarian ways and both have been savaged by the MSM for years--I wonder why?

It behooves Canadians who are scandalized by the skullduggery of the HRCs and the Steacys and Warman's of our galaxy, to be grateful to Mr. Byfield and Mrs. Landolt--and to perhaps say a soft "sorry, 'didn't know, 'didn't try to find out"--who have been watchdogs and whistleblowers of these kinds of tribunals and Star Chambers when the rest of us were resting on our laurels.

They have taken the full brunt of scorn and ridicule by our intrepid investigative reporters in the MSM (excluding writers like David Frum, Danielle Crittendon, David Warren, etc.) while far too many Canadians were content to also heap opprobrium on them. If they'd been listened to twenty years ago, the HRCs would never have been able to flourish as they have.

'Something to think about. These threats to our freedoms are not new to the Canadian scene.

Dawg and Kinsella: Two bloated ego's restricted by ideological manacles so tight they are forced to argue 2+2=5.

So what do you suggest James, armed insurrection? Viva la Revolucion? Not in my country.

Get busy, dig in and start making those calls, writing those letters. The PM ain't the PM without his posse. You get a bunch of politicians thinking they are going to lose their seats, and action will follow as the day follows the night.

You might also consider the possibility, faint though it may seem, that your MP will go kick asses and take names on this CHRC issue because it is the right thing to do. Because as a Canadian this secret court bullsh1t offends them.

Not everybody in the world is a crooked, gutter dwelling POS. That's why we vote Conservative.

batb, I really appreciate your tip of the hat to Ted Byfield and Gwen Landolt, two iconoclastic and courageous giants in this country, who have been given midget status by the moral pygmies that comprise Canada's MSM and other elites—educational, religious, judicial, governmental, etc.

Indeed, if Canadians had heeded Ted's and Gwen's realistic and well documented warnings about where the Charter was taking us, maybe we'd have actually done something to avoid the morass in which we now find ourselves. (But I doubt it, because . . .)

Both Ted and Gwen are committed Christians. I'm a committed Christian in the public school system. While my antennae have been quivering for decades at the groupthink and HRC type sanctions for teacher dissenters, my more secular colleagues, which is most of them, appear to simply march to the drummer they hear: they don't always like the beat, but they move along in step, without too much thought—certainly, no talking back.

It is my very firm belief that the loss of confidence in our Judeo-Christian heritage—one does not need to be a church goer to respect and support the virtues we inherited via Greece, Jerusalem, and Rome—has seriously undermined our ability to discern, and to think and act clearly and decisively in order to preserve our civilization.

Relativism and multiculturalism were discerned as huge dangers by people like Ted, Gwen, and other committed Christians, who fought the Charter tooth and nail, decades ago. Of course, it is no surprise that, among the victims of Canada's HRCs, there happen to be a number of orthodox Christians. (Even though the dogmas and actions of other religious persons are far more dangerous and altogether outside Charter values.)

The fact that so many Canadians have given up the very idea of moral imperatives and personal responsibility and have allowed the hand of the state, always an iron fist in a velvet glove, to direct the traffic portends disaster. (Gwen, Ted, and others, thoroughly ignored and ridiculed by “those that count” have been proven about 100% right.)

Perhaps it’s a very good thing that disaster is now, finally, openly assailing us. Maybe now, finally, we’ll pay attention and fight back. But, with what? We’re a pretty flabby conglomeration these days and most Canadians seem as uninformed as ever. I hope the cojones we need to kick butt come from somewhere in order to take us through the very real trials and tribulations that can no longer be avoided. Kyrie eleison.

I wonder, what stories do those thugs at HRC actually tell their grandchildren?

If I may dwell into fantasy world for a moment, here's how I see it:

- And then we realized, grandson, that if we don't stop the transcripts, there may be unwanted complications. You know, the kind of complications every bureaucrat is afraid of, like pulled funding or even cancellation of the show (HRC) altogether.
- And what did you do, granpa?
- What I did was what I did, I told the stenographer to take a day off and that was it. Clever, eh?

Plague on their both homes! It is disgusting to even think of them.

Well-said, lookout.

We've sold ourselves down the river by our acquiescence to political-let's-get-rid-of-our-own-cultural-faith-heritage-correctness.

Now, we're reaping the Maelstrom--and we're surprised?