Yeah "do as I say, not as i do" friggin hypocryte.
I take what Dr. Suzi has to say as seriously as I do the WWE super slam as reality.

If David Suzuki wanted to lead by example,, he would kill himself. His CO2-exhaling, resource-consuming presence is an offense to Gaia.

While consuming electricity, etc. in one place, the other place sits idle. This helps reduce local energy and water consumption, and, of course, there is no waste being produced.

People who own and occupy two houses are the most selfless people on the planet.

Someone should create an award in the shape of Al Gore's mansion, and award it to environmentalists like D.S. who are leading the way for the rest of us.

Ahhh the priest of anti-science speaks!! Heed all ye faithful! Heed the gospel of depopulation in green drag!

Hey Fruit fly...ya wanna be alone...we got an Island you can share with the Goracle :D

I agree with JMD's advice. Please, David Suzuki, spare us all your sanctimonious blathering by walking in front of an oncoming bus some time soon.

Ya, but cut the hypocrite some slack.

I've heard he walks over the water to get to Quadra Island so that saves a lot of carbon pollution.

And he even washes his feet before hand so he won't dirty the fish habitat with foot dirt.

Dr. Fruit Fly - still a card carrying enviro-greeny.

Remember - EARTH FIRST - we'll log the other planets later

Not a huge Suzuki fan myself, but your all consuming jealousy is showing - Kate, idiot WL Mackenzie and others - your basic issue, and it comes up frequently - is your seething resentment that even people like Suzuki have been more successful in the material world than your sorry derrieres and it kills you.

tory_watcher........go read the comments at the link.

I do not have time right now to fill your post full of holes.

And please do not reply by calling me a name either.

"The more I think about it, the more I think this whole thing is really an attempt to move society to some sort of Medieval model, where the vast majority of the population uses almost no resources, managed by a dynastic upper class of self-appointed masters with privileged access to energy."

Angry's piece was great but is he only now figuring out that the left has been trying to destroy the middle classes for nearly a hundred years now? that's what communism/environmentalism is all about and always has been.

THE VISION: A ruling elite AKA rich arrogant leftists and a servile, but respectful peasant mass. End of story. End of freedom!

Outright competition between the forces of ultra socialism ala the "former" Soviet Union and the "current" capitalist West proved that the country with the motivated middle classes will win every time.

The ultra socialists, having poisoned our education system of the West for last fifty years, now has enough brainwashed Leftists in our society with just enough erroneous information to make them dangerous, have moved into environmentalism and climate change to use as the holy grail against the horrid over-consuming middle class.

The elites have always known that it is easier to control and subjugate an unarmed peasant population than an armed and free-thinking middle class ... you know the ones who all have a rifle or two laying around in case they want to take the old Hummer out and shoot a deer.

Donald Trump is not telling me how to live my life according to a code that he's not following himself.

Bill Gates is not telling me how to live my life according to a code that he's not following himself.

It's not wealthy, successful people that annoy us . . . it's hypocritical, do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do types (Chomsky, Moore, Gore, Suzuki) that annoy us. They can be as wealthy and successful as they like (often off the backs of suckers like tory_watcher who fall for their snake-oil sales), but could they please stop telling us how to live our lives according to a code that they themselves don't follow.

I simply ignore the Gore and Suzuki types.

If they want me to take them seriously on the environment, here's what I suggest: they first reduce their "footprint" down to my level.

Then we'll all go down to the next level together.

I don't care that anyone has more than me, I'm not envious.

But I will not have them "finger wag" me.

By the way, I love Kitsilano and Vancouver, but there are too many lefties and aging hippies. I think we can have greater density if we made the city much more hostile to them. Their stupid appearance has made our city unattractive, and thus I like to spend more of my time in a smaller place at North Gower (Ontario) where I have a home amongst ordinary, unassuming Joe Average Canadians from the Ottawa Valley.

As someone said wrt global warming and all things environmental, "I'll believe it is a crisis when those who say it is a crisis behave as though it were a crisis." Until then . . .

Its too bad that Foo Man Fool doesn't practice what he preach and dig himself an outhouse. Then, when he lights a candle at 2 am to see one of his masterpieces go down the loo, he can light up the island like the fourth of July from the methane ignition.

While working in downtown Vancouver some years ago I took note of a smoky Japanese compact car as it sputtered by. I was surprised as it appeared to be Dr. Suz at the wheel. I thought maybe it's a humility thing. I would have expected something a little higher on the Earthier Than Thou staffcar list like a smoky 70's Volvo Wagon-with rooftop canoe of course.

tory_watcher,

What's with the moniker? Are Conservatives supposed to be scared now, or something?

A suggestion: Given the vacuous, non-content of your post and the fact that you don't have the intelligence to understand what the topic and the comments on the thread are about, oh and that you follow the typical leftist illogical notion that feelings trump fact and insults trump all, you might be better off simply typing:

&%#@%*&%$&#@!!!!!!

We'll all get the idea that you're feeling really, really upset, much quicker.

The only thing dumber than the global warming/change/carbon foot print con are the ants that follow the scent trail of the likes of suzuki and gore.

tory_watcher:

Keep watching.

You may actually learn something.

The challenge is an ability to listen to all sides of an issue and choose for yourself the one that makes the most sense.

Are you up for the challenge?

Relax everyone. Suzuki does the environmentally proper thing and rides his bicycle between his two homes. No fossil fuels involved.

He just has to time the tides correctly.

Posted on AGWN comments--Gore has 'ice in his eyes'! So that is where the Arctic ice is going?
No GW for Gore!
As for Fruitfly--he lives near the coast? We should all pray for GW and rising oceans--that should take care of him!

George:

You mean he can't walk on water?

If suzuki's ideas for the economy are followed there will be fewer and fewer people able to enjoy the life style he's scammed for himself. That's what saddens me when I see another university crowd cheering for him; he's telling them to accept a bleaker future and they're applauding it. They might not care now, but they will.

"your basic issue, and it comes up frequently - is your seething resentment that even people like Suzuki have been more successful in the material world than your sorry derrieres and it kills you."

-BS - but as a faitly young person, I would like to have my shot at that lifestyle too - I hope that if i work hard and am sucessful, I too can afford that 2nd home on an island. Creatures like Gore and Suzuki, by the policies they advocate (ie trashing the North American energy economy) make that outcome far less likely. Thus the anger at their "I've got mine, now screw you (for the good of Gaia)" attitude.

Daisy/Set you free/jeffk:

Learn something - from the likes of you with such huge axes to grind and such petty jealousies? No, I don't think so. I do read a fair amount from the few domain experts who dispute the consensus of the vast majority, and they do raise interesting points form time to time that are cause for further examination, but they are few and far between.

In my business (private equity) we deploy capital to make profits sometimes involving developing and deploying new technology to help solve these "imaginary" problems. Yeah, real "lefty" I am. I also know that risk managers in major industries also pay significant attention to the "imaginary" problems of climate change and expend considerable resources to mitigate and manage.

But I am sure they are all deluded and have much to learn from you.

Mr. Watcher,

I would suggest you look up the cooling that has been present in the oceans for the past 8 years and ask yourself whether or not you're wasting your clients money.

Yes, it's foolish to pollute the sky. Yes, there is a lot of previously locked carbon that is being released. Yes, David Suzuki owns a $2M house on an island that has private boat and ferry access only. Giving a climate priest a pass on selfish polluting is like giving Elliot Spitzer a pass.

It's upsetting that people like you hold the purse strings that could eventually save the planet, because it's obvious that you cannot see the forest through the trees.

" . . . petty jealousies"

Some major projecting going on here. I think Mr. T_W is pettily jealous of Suzuki, Gore, et al. He wishes he knew how to get as much money out of the gullible as they did/do out of this GW twaddle.

Tory_Watcher

The issue with Suzuki is hypocrisy not jealousy of his ill-gotten loot from taxpayers. He boasts of his idyllic Quadra Island retreat and is good company there. On Quadra and the Gulf Islands in general, one finds the prevailing mentality that speaks "sustainability" but lives parasitically off the tit of a declining, productive, resource economy. While wealth is "parked" on these Islands where virtually no development, nor resource extraction is allowed by the local RDs or Islands Trust, the local faux environmentalists demand subsidized ferries, schools and other services and by-the-way someone else (tax-payers of Vancouver Island where there is far too much logging for Dr. S.) deal with our solid wastes.

Suzuki's carbon footprint is likely in the top 1 percentile of humanity, he unashamedly bites the hand that feeds him and if you've ever met him, it's hard not to conclude that he is an arrogant asshole.

jmd- i think it's only right or maybe left that all the believers in co2 and agw should kill themselves - it's the unselfish thing to do - best for the planet and all that - unfortunately they are just power hungry, greedy socialists who wish to control other people's lives.

It is a directly proportional relationship.

The more the AGW believer has to lose financially from the collapse of the AGW fraud, the more vicious they will be in their attacks on anyone who dares critique their martyrs.

Jealous of any hypocritical AGW huckster? I think not!

salute Dr. Megele Suzuki, at least he is not down with Branson and the other uber-eco-snobs in the British Virgin Islands.

less cars, more politicians lanquishing in jail, any other orders to give us Dr. Fruitfly.

I have seached unsuccessfully for the Suzuki Substandard Sustainability Shack on Quadra Island using google earth. I understand he has a pulpit, which is what I have been looking for - but it may be below the resolution of googleearth.

t_w. The "imaginary" crisis everyone is talking about is AGW and CO2. The real crisis, as we've discussed here ad nauseum, is actual pollution, especially in emerging world, and the need to develop truly clean energy technology.

If you want credibility here, just tell us what you're doing about that.

One good sized EARTHQUAKE and, well, fruitflyguy will be "researching" new accomodations. Can't see the writing on the wall? F%ckem!

It all reminds me of Bono from U2 who is always pressing western governments to impose a save Africa tax on the middle working class.
This coming from someone living in a castle, who’s bands net worth is close to a billion dollars amongst other investments and has clearly stated, “I don’t give of my money, but I do offer my time”.

A proud moment for Canada was when PMSH said he wasn’t interested

"I've got to say that meeting celebrities isn't kind of my shtick, that was the shtick of the previous guy," said Harper in a dig at his Liberal predecessor Paul Martin, who met Bono regularly.
Glad we have a leader and not another groupie……………….

tory_watcher:

Congratulations on your efforts to help control pollution, I'm sure all of us here would like to live in a cleaner environment.

That is a much different issue than the global warming, eh, hang on it's cooling, so let's rename it climate change cult.

Those particular efforts, led by Suzuki and the Goracle are narrow-focus issues which attempt to predict the effects of CO2. BTW, CO2 is NOT a pollutant.

I'm sure in your business there are scientists who could clearly demonstrate the reasons the world switched from coal to oil in the last century. It's because oil is the cleaner hydrocarbon.

BTW, I'm curious. Just what is the nature of the jealousy your fears allow you to see in us in your blanket statement?

Made no mention of "pollution control" technologies - people with simplistic views often make that mistake. Harper tried that early in his gov't, always referring to "pollution" before finally acquiescing to polling data which viewed his position as climate change denier as an electoral non-starter and publicly mouthing the worlds "climate change is a serious problem". Of course pollution control is a huge area and deserving of significant attention and investment, particularly in areas such as water treatment. However, one of the greatest areas of investment globally is that surrounding climate change, from energy efficiency to cleaner combustion technologies, agtech etc.... It is where much of the "smart money" is going. Stupid money will also go there, as money always follows money.

This obsession with Suzuki is typical. Again, not a big fan of his, but the hatred and jealousy evident in most of his and Gore's attackers of the armchair right variety is plain to see.

quadra island. 1.8 million gets you this.

http://www.bcislandhomes.com/valdes/index.html

Mr. Watcher,

I'm surprised you haven't heard of the Green Bubble. It's the overinflation of the value of green projects because of climate hysteria. I work on Run of River Hydro plants and we are constantly concern about these issues. As someone who works with other people's money I'm surprised that you have yet to grasp this concept.

As I said earlier, and you ignored. Suzuki is a hypocrite, as is Gore. People, even those of us on the armchair right, or those of us involved in politics and/or green energy see what Suzuki is doing as a net negative for making the world a better place. He is pushing the same communist crap that they were pushing for Global Cooling. The problem has changed but unfortunately the green paradigm hasn't.

I'll try to avoid the ad-hominen attacks favoured by the likes of T-W but it would appear comprehension of a topic is not their strongest suit. What is being discussed is this so-called, self righteous, pompous arrogant enviro-nut who has at various times called for the imprisonment of politicans who don't completely agree with his position or he screams at people he perceives as non-beleivers or climate criminals seems to be a tad hypocritical in regards to his own life style and wasteful practices. Much like his buddy Al Gore. Some people see this issue for what it is and what it is not. Dr Fruit-Fly position has more to do with wealth redistrubtion than it does making positive strides to clean up our environment. That's the point and by Suzuki splashing around the country in his diesel powered bus, making ads about conservation and his green approach he has put himself out there for critisism if his words don't match his actions. It's fair game when you act all self righteous and pompous and then have your actions bite you in the ass later on. Has zero to do with jealousy and more to do with educating everyone on what a hypocrite he truly is.

set you free...t_w is PO'D because being in private equity's, his only hope is that more suckers keep"investing" their bucks in the AGW scam. Plus,he is only able to siphon off a very small amount of that sucker's money into his own pockets,unlike the Goarcle/Fruitfly/Mlong,who are skimming millions,if not billions. Methinks s/he is more jealous of their success in fleecing the stupid, and is actually scared to death of real conservatives,as we are outting the scam before he can buy the next island up from the Fruitfly.

Mr "Jon":

Any fool investing in any space needs to be highly cognizant of valuation. Who said anything about investing at overinflated prices? Yes, the market is overheated in this area, but as with most "hot" markets, this is based on some fundamentals, and does not mean all deals are bad deals. As I said, stupid money follows smart money and, yes, many will make very bad investments in this sector as in others.

Finally, who said anything about other people's money? You presume much.

I also had an award in mind, Richard Ball, but one to be awarded to real people, as opposed to faux-environmentalists, who are actually making a difference.

I thought that D.S. could choose a winner from the submissions made to the David Suzuki Foundation, from individuals whose carbon footprint is the size of a sliver of a baby toenail.

I'm sure there are people--maybe even some of us--who consume about this much of the world's resources, and wouldn't it be nice to have a trophy sitting on our windowsill from Mr. Fruitfly himself?

Phew . . . I guess I'm off the hook: I live in a house smaller than those of both my grandparents and MUCH smaller than those of my great grandparents. I guess I must be doing something right!

David Suzuki and his ilk disgust me: they're total phonies and hypocrites. And, on March 29th, not being a member of the Green Church of Hype and Hypocrisy, I and my family are going to use just as much energy as we usually do, which, compared to the inflated lifestyles of the Suzukis of this world, is very small. (It wouldn't surprise me if the likes of him celebrated March 29th in a TV studio or stadium somewhere, beaming their gospel worldwide, as usual, altogether belying their message of less consumption.)

My contempt for these energy devouring surrender monkeys knows no bounds.

That's "grandparents'"!

I'd admit that I was envious of Suzuki....
I'd love to have been able to parlay a mediocre scientific career into a lifetime source of revenue amounting to $millions.

I'd hope that it would be possible without being a world class hypocrite and fraud though.....

Suzuki should be charged with fraud. Hopefully when the lawsuits are launched against Al Gore in the US, they will name Suzuki as well.

Too bad nobody asked him how he travelled between his two homes.

Since the earth has gone through several (seven?) ice ages followed by periods of warming, such as we are enjoying now, climate CHANCE evidently is a natural phenomenon.

Northern Alberta, for example, was under a three km thick glacier.

Thank goodness the naturally-occuring warming allowed us to move here and feed our families through honest work.

I would categorize the followers of Goracle and Suzuki who are making a living off a flawed philosophy as pratctitioners in dishonest work.

tory watcher, we all know the climate is changing all the time. It's just that we haven't seen any reliable proof that it is linked to CO2, nor that it is linked to Man's CO2.

Have you caught any of the new commercials on cbc with DS and kids. And how about the one re the extra fridge and the guy turning off all power in the house, less power means more money for beer. Great message for kids.

Gaw-lee! Thanks for the investment seminar, tory-watcher!

But frankly, it's unappetizing when someone loudly announces himself as "more successful in the material world" than those he barges in to address -- especially he then commences to tell others how they, too, can get rich is to buy into the fraud he's helping to perpetuate.

Your Liberal accent really and truly stands out here. You're comfortable with rank-pulling of a sort that's somewhere between laughable and embarrassing, because it makes no sense to anyone else; it's an entirely self-anointed privilege.

"Hon, there's a Liberal on the porch! He won't let us see the contract!"

The topic of this thread, tory_watcher, is the hypocrisy of someone who has made millions preaching that the earth can't sustain our lifestyles, but who continues, year after year, to consume more resources than the average people he's deriding.

You told us you're successful in the material world, more successful than anyone who criticizes fraudulent science or David Suzuki, and you've given us your "smart money" seminar. Care to address the issue of the hypocrisy of Gore and Sting and Suzuki and the limousine-Liberals?

Or would you be shooting yourself in the wallet?

t_w, pollution is the issue. The reason is dead simple - when you get rid of tailpipe "emissions" you also get rid of CO2, so that is your best "bang for buck," developing non-fossil fuel technologies. You act like this is separate from CO2 and climate change, but they have more in common than you give credit. What developing and using new macro (eek, nuclear) and micro (maybe hydrogen)technology doesn't need is Kyoto (while Canada freezes, China spews), carbon credits (for which we truly don't know market cost, so a bureacrat decides) or hairbrained schemes like carbon sequestration, using about half the "saved" (for now) CO2 "emissions" for processing and transportation.

It doesn't mean putting more in our blue boxes and "flicking off," though that helps a little. It involves getting off oil as soon as we practicably can, with our best efforts. That's the only technology I'm interested in, notwithsanding all political parties here have some goofy ideas, I'm frankly not interested in any other approach.

I know, t_w, it's easier to think as bloggers here as unintelligent mean-spirited knuckledraggers, but you can be sure many of us have given this matter a lot of thought.

You can talk down the Tory approach all you like; but, do you have better ideas?

back in the 1930's a very astute englishman remarked..."odd thing about the socialists...they ALL live in the biggest house they can afford."

I have a 1989 doge van. It is inefficient as you can imagine. However, If I buy a new car for $30,000 or thereabouts, I will likely sell my van to some gomer who will continue to drive it for another five or more years. So what I will have accomplished is putting yet another car on the road. Where's the gain? Any idea how many do-gooders are doing exactly that? They shit in their own nests and don't even realize it.

I recently bought a couple of cases of tungsten light bulbs. I was at home depot the other day and there are mostly only those twisty f**king idiotic mercury filled, Suzuki approved pieces of shit harsh lighting available anymore.

If I were to do something like replace the inefficient aluminum windows on my house to save energy, I would break even about six years after I am dead.

My house is 2165 square feet. Not a big house by today's standards. I don't overheat it because I don't want to pay a big electric bill, not because I want to save the planet. We also burn a bit of wood in the fireplace when it's really chilly and I love the open fire. Screw the smoke coming out of the chimney, it smells good.

Wife and I drive very little. She fills her tank twice a month and I fill up once a month. We keep our cars forever so we maximize the value. We kept our Volvo for 14 years and I have had my van for 13 and plan to keep in until it dies. The Subaru will last for probably 20 years. We do very little air travel because I don't like traveling. When I do travel, I don't feel the least bit bad about it.

We don't buy much processed food since I like cooking fresh foods. It's healthier and tastier, thereby saving the cost of processing and packaging etc.

We have the good fortune of living in a place where it never gets too cold and also a place that I don't feel I need to escape from on a vacation.

I mind my own business and do whatever I want. The earth doesn't need saving, but the lunatic humanity presently infesting it could use some help.

Once again, the entire frantic about the very normal climate change is nothing more than an attack on the middle classes in order to destroy the prosperous Western culture that we white folks manage to build up through co-operation, hard work and trust. Those are the qualities that you will not find in any other culture otherwise they would have fewer problems and a lot less envy and contempt for us.

The Communists long ago realized that their system was no match for ours in a head to head competition so they quietly moved into the environmental movement and took over our education systems. They have been successful in brain-washing many of our young people who are rabidly hateful of 'themselves'. I cannot explain the stupidity of that phenomenon, but it exists and we must be ever mindful of their advances in our lives. When you engage them in logical debate they fold immediately and either change the subject or attack you. They have nothing, they are paper thin and don't deal in reality. They have no defense against common sense and logic. Their dream of a kumbia utopia is so misguided that if they ever achieved it the misery would drive them further into their drug use and bitterness. To quote the bearded guy on the cross, 'They know not what they do!'

On the left it is hypocrisy that rules. Our false saviors in the for of Fat Albert Gore and that little f**king s**t Suzuki are in it for the money. Branston of Virgin industries is presently hosting a group of heavies on one of his private islands in the British Virgin Island group. They are phony mother f**kers who are merely plotting how they can get richer with the climate scare that has taken hold of the weak minded among us. The Chinese and the Russians are laughing their asses off at our Kyoto Koncerns. They don't give a shit about the biosphere, they want new cars and big houses.

And on and and on.

Cheers.

JJM; Never thought I'd meet another North Gowerian here. Lived there 20 years ago. Great place to live.

EBD:
Typical. I made no claims of my own "material success". That is irrelevant, except insofar as direct experience in an area one of your writers, "Jon", spoke of with supposed authority, where I did correct the record.

The only reference to "material success" was that it was the fact that the success of people like Gore and to a lesser extent Suzuki on the playing field that conservatives typically measure yourselves by, wealth, is obviously irksome to the armchair right wing critic class.

That you need to invent claims I did not make and put words in my mouth I did not speak in order to defend your own particular hate-on speaks to the weakness of your case.

Talk about laughable and embarrassing.

T W.....you seem to not understand that charlatans like Al Gore and those of his ilk are making millions of dollars by pretending to be presenting irrefutable "science" and then profiting from the fraud.

Now go and report that to your master, David Suzuki. Stooge.

John Luft:

Don't know why I'm replying. Your post was so stupid as to speak for itself. To clarify - I'll speak slowly so you MIGHT understand - I'm not a big fan of Suzuki. But somehow he is my master. Yikes. Good luck with all that... Don't know if you are clever enough to even be a stooge...even that requires some ability to comprehend.

A little story here which might not be appropriate. I will take the chance. In 1974, some sort of government agency invited stories from budding writers. A $5000 prize was offered. The advertisement said persons from "All walks of life", were invited to contribute.

I had no hope of course- being absolutely broke. I observed the first "winner". The chill of political correctness was already in the air. The winner/s were a man AND a woman. No gender discrimination here. They were Asian in racial origin. No discrimination for the usual suspects (majority). Both were college professors.

I tried again next year. After all, it said people from ALL walks of life. Again the result. Let's hear it for the winner. A person who was male. He was of Asian extraction,but a different group of Asians. No discrimination here. His occupation -college professor. Ah, David Suzuki.

I saw with sickening reality, what the "new" anti-discrimination laws did.

They had discriminated. I have never looked back since. I sure enjoy being one of the "average Canadians". Nothing in common with that mob. (laughs)

t_w writes, "The only reference to 'material success' was that it was the fact that the success of people like Gore and to a lesser extent Suzuki on the playing field that conservatives typically measure yourselves by, wealth, is obviously irksome to the armchair right wing critic class."

Utter poppycock, tory come lately. What a shallow, subjective, insulting, inaccurate ad hominem. Gore and Suzuki are welcome to their honestly earned money. I've been around here a long time and I've observed that it's not their money that bothers SDA types: it's the scams and the hypocrisy. Gore and Suzuki have turned into snake oil salesman. They`re unrelaible, conniving hypocrites. I`d be quite happy if they`d just take their money and go away.

T W.....as for ignorant posts, yours really take the cake. I realize you are angry that you have been ferreted out as a stooge....and a childish one at that. Tough.

I've said it before, but in the spirit of hypocrisy, I'll say it again. The difference between a capitalist and an environmentalist is this: A capitalist has a desire for a cabin in the woods, an environmentalist already has one.

Yeah, sorry Luft, I am sure you are an entrepreneur extraordinaire at the top of your game, or perhaps a memebr of the National Acaemy of Sciences. Which makes it all the more perplexing as to why you can't comprehend the most basic of statements. Oh well. Carry on, and...good luck with all that.

Lookout>

I agree with your comments, who cares how much money these shysters have, it’s about their principles or scruples that is shared amongst the majority of SDA posters.

The comments between TW and others did raise an oddball question for me, which I’m sure is unprovable:

– Who as an average is materially better off in our society, conservative or liberal minded peoples?

Again I doubt it could ever be truly determined, but based on who whines the most about equality, and seem driven to underpaying humanistic, government or generally useless jobs as with a liberal arts major, I suspect that more conservatives have a healthier financial base?

What is so sad in all this - Suzuki did not succeed in scaming because of exceptional smarts, but because he had the CBC and a $billion annual taxpayer fund behind him.

Mother-Of-All-Lawsuits - that's where the REAL $$s will be made, IMO.

Actually, Knight99, my experience is that more self-made people and entrepreneurs tend to be Liberals rather than conservatives. Looking at the great self-made people of our time (who made something, not just shuffeld paper like hedge fund dudes), Gates, Branson, Ellison, Buffett - they tend to be Liberal. Some tend to argue that they "can afford to be", which is a little disingenuous. People do tend to get a little more conservative as they get older, and tend to want to keep more of what they have. Confess to feeling some of that myself. There is polling data with respect to education, and I suspect there would be similar data with respect to income/wealth. To be meaningful it would need to distinguish between inherited and self-made and how made (i.e. entrepreneur or gorified corporate bureaucrat like bank CEO).

tory_watcher>

Ok thanks, that does make a limited sense. I wasn’t thinking of ultra rich or famous though, I’m sure the list would be endless for either side. I was thinking more inline of the average Joe/Mary in society, and of course the numbers would be slight either way, meaningless to the individuals you mentioned.

You Said: “People do tend to get a little more conservative as they get older, and tend to want to keep more of what they have”

Which reminded me of a fond quote by - Winston Churchill

"Anyone who isn't a Liberal before the age of 30 has no heart.... and anyone who is still a Liberal after the age of 30 has no brain”.

Knight 99: 'interesting question. I actually have no idea which group is better off financially. However, from personal experience, it seems that more conservative types--at least the Christian ones I know--give substantially more money away than the socialists I know (some of them go to church too).

The lefties seem very much to have an "I gave at the office" mentality. Of course, this is subjective on my part, but I've truly noticed less altruistic behaviour from the liberal/socialist types I know than that of my more conservative friends. Letting the state anonymously "take care"--it doesn't--of people's problems seems OK with them as they buy their nice wines and go on their nice vacations. Per se, there's no problem with that, but they often--like the Suzukis they usually admire--don't seem to practise what they preach. They like the IDEA of being generous, but find denying themselves the things to which they feel entitled difficult.

This is a problem for most people, of course. However, I guess it's the hypocrisy thing again: the lefties claim that governments will "solve" our problems (government "solutions" often make things worse), which they don't, though lefties are happy to have us pay exorbitant taxes to try and bring about utopia. Then many live their personal lives at a distance from the problems they claim to be so concerned about, while the rest of us--I know well off lefties who have great accountants to deal with their assets--pay and pay. The lefties also point fingers at conservatives--like our "friend" t_w--and say how heartless and money grubbing we are. IMO, that is SUCH a myth!

What I’ve said here is both a generalization and subjective. There are so many factors involved and privacy matters too, that I don’t know if there’s any objective way to actually find out which political group has a healthier financial base.

P.S. Conservative types, in general, appear more willing to defer gratification. That's an important factor re success in life. Just a thought . . .

liberals or conservatives? I look at it another way. Liberals in Canada attract those at the economic bottom (welfare) and those at the top (limousine liberals). Both groups want more for the "poor" but neither want to give up anything themselves. They found common ground on a solution - take it from the middle class taxpayers (conservatives). heh

Seems to be a day for having others put words into ones mouth. Nowhere did I state, as "lookout" asserts, that conservatives are "heartless and moneygrubbing". Nowhere.

Discourse would be much better served if people responded to what others actually said, rather than what they expected them to say, or pretended to hear them say.

tory_watcher>

Again it was an oddball thought. I agree wholeheartedly with you comment

“To be meaningful it would need to distinguish between inherited and self-made”

It seems liberal attitudes revolve around the poor the young and the disenfranchised then jump to the “guilty rich”.

Conservative attitudes seem to be the domain of the more mature hardworking crowd that value their exertions and feel others need to bear their own burdens.

Lookout>

“The lefties seem very much to have an "I gave at the office" mentality”

That is also my subjective opinion. It really seems that the lefty attitude is truly to “have their cake and eat it too” so long as it’s on your dime.

“Conservative types, in general, appear more willing to defer gratification. That's an important factor re success in life. Just a thought”

Obviously a sound hypothesis, I would think conservative frugality would lead too much lower credit card usage/debt for example - to bolster your point.

The fruit fly guy expressing his assessment of his member.

Hey, we all know he's given to extreme exaggeration.

Hypocrisy > Hippiecrite > Hippie ?

Hyppie Movement Legacy. Excerpts from Wikipedia;

A hippie (sometimes spelled hippy) is a member of a subgroup of a counterculture that began in the United States during the early 1960s. By 1965, hippies had become an established social group, and the movement expanded to other countries before it declined in the mid-1970s. Hippies, along with the New Left and the American Civil Rights Movement, are considered the three dissenting groups of the 1960s counterculture.

Originally, hippies were part of a youth movement composed mostly of white teenagers and young adults, between the ages of 15 and 25 years old, who inherited a tradition of cultural dissent from the earlier Bohemians and the beatniks.

Hippies rejected established institutions, criticized middle class values, opposed nuclear weapons and the Vietnam War, embraced aspects of Eastern philosophy, championed sexual liberation, were often vegetarian and eco-friendly, promoted the use of psychedelic drugs to expand one's consciousness, and created intentional communities or communes.

By 1968, self-described hippies had become a significant minority, representing just under 0.2% of the U.S. population.

The term "hipster" was coined by Harry Gibson in 1940, and was often used in the 1940s and 1950s to describe jazz performers.

Acid rock gave way to heavy metal, disco, and punk rock.

Hippies became targets for ridicule. While many hippies made a long-term commitment to the lifestyle, some younger people argue that hippies "sold out" during the 1980s and became part of the materialist, consumer culture.

Although not as visible as it once was, hippie culture has never died out completely: hippies and neo-hippies can still be found on college campuses, on communes, and at gatherings and festivals.

Many hippies favored hitchhiking as a primary mode of transport because it was economical, environmentally friendly, and a way to meet new people.

Hippie political expression often took the form of "dropping out" of society to implement the changes they sought. Politically motivated movements aided by hippies include the back to the land movement of the 1960s, cooperative business enterprises, alternative energy, the free press movement, and organic farming.

The legacy of the hippie movement continues to permeate society. Public political demonstrations are now considered legitimate expressions of free speech. Unmarried couples of all ages feel free to travel and live together without societal disapproval. Frankness regarding sexual matters has become the norm, and the rights of homosexual, bisexual and transsexual people have expanded. Religious and cultural diversity has gained greater acceptance. Co-operative business enterprises and creative community living arrangements are widely accepted. Interest in natural food, herbal remedies and vitamins is widespread, and the little hippie "health food stores" of the 1960s and 1970s are now large-scale, profitable businesses.

the propagandist on the propaganda network CBCpravda.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FcAsdw7Lblc

I dont think there will be lawsuits over the sinking of the AGW raft, at least not with Suzuki and his brand of karbonks. He acts like he's been impressed maxwise with the deluge of nifty pictures, scenes and print onslaught as to leave him clueless and certain of CO2 induced agw.

lokkout

your post as to the "difference" between conservatives and lieberals is bang on. I said as much many times.

also I and some of my conserative friends (both religious and atheist) are far quiker to reach in our own pockets and give of our own time to help someone (usually some one who is trying to help themselves)

as far as T_W is concerned, he's just an arrogant armchair intellect trying it's best to talk down to everyone just to elevate it's ownself in it's own mind

and my real bitch with Dr. Fruitfly, tho I agree about his hypocricy, is that he would subvert my rite to freedom of "speech". The ulimate expression of freedom of speech is the exercising of your vote to elect those you want to govern you, and this he wants to take away by jailing the politicians elected to represent my wishes if they do not comply with his idea of how they should govern !!!!!

Suzuki is dreading the day that his precious little foundation is retroactively ruled to not be of charitable status.

The man is a parasite.

How many Wal-Marts on Quantas Island???

Look ma!

A leech with hands.

Get a bio-scientist on this quick!

I earlier quoted t_w: "The only reference to 'material success' was that it was the fact that the success of people like Gore and to a lesser extent Suzuki on the playing field that conservatives typically measure yourselves by, wealth . . . "

I altogether disagreed with this slur.

Then, @ 6:17, this same t_w has his/her knickers in a knot about something I wrote, which referenced his/her slur: "Nowhere did I state, as 'lookout' asserts, that conservatives are 'heartless and moneygrubbing'. Nowhere."

Nowhere? Has t_w never heard of inference?

(BTW, t_w, I didn’t assert that you stated . . . I inferred what your put-down statement meant.)

Re charitable status: the Ottawa apparatchi . . . I mean, civil servants, who decide this, are leftists: who isn't in Ottawa?

Pro-life, non-feminist, orthodox Christian, etc., groups find their tax exempt status either non existent or threatened. Left-wing groups that lobby appear to be judged by an entirely different set of criteria.

An investigation into the anomalies, re who's allowed charitable status and who isn't, would be VERY interesting. My hunch would be that conservative, religious--I mean, Christian--groups would have a whole different set of criteria for inclusion than leftist and, let's say, Muslim or other, non-Western religious groups. Equality, eh?

Here. In Canada. I'm not making this up.

A long while ago, Suzuki was on Rutherford talk radio in Calgary. Upon Rutherford asking the question, what about you flying hither and yon, using all those dead fossils, Suzuki in real superior fashion mentioned that he has to get places, what is he supposed to do, walk?
A few weeks ago the same situation arose with the governor of California, him being the terminator and all, how is it that the governor flies every day between the capital and LA. The answer was that he wants to be with his family.
Gore says that he buys those credit things; as though that makes it somehow OK, that he is actually not burning any fossils, because other people are not.
So we have all these masters of the environment, burning fossils that would take few hundred of the working stiffs to burn, and they are telling us we should not do it.
Can we say that hypocrisy rules in the land of the environ-mentalists?

Go to the David Suzuki Foundation website and ask if David really needs two homes and ask how many sq. feet are in each one.

The Coast Salish ought to reclaim Quadra.
That mansion would make a nice cultural center and/or a high end casino.

The Coast Salish were at home on Quadra until the arrival of Captain George Vancouver and his crew in the late 1700’s and the subsequent invasion of the Salish settlement by other First Nations people. With the Salish gone, the We Wai Kai band of the Kwagiulth continue to reside in the village of Cape Mudge to this day.

greatervictoria.com/aboutthegulfislands/quadraisland.htm

This guy has to be the biggist fruit fly in the whole global warming mythos.

As for the house with his own forest land he can say: CBC has been very, very good too me.

What gets me is his tax free status. He can say any stupid thing he wants, but don't have me pay for it.

Unlike his ilk I think others should be allowed to speak there minds even if they are head deep up there own brown tunnel. Great beliver in ones right to be seen or heard publicly in ones own jackass mode.

My appologies for posting at the wrong link. Its what happens when you don't pay attention which thread you where reading at that moment.

Lookout

The inference was not there in the least. Can't see how it could be inferred by anything I wrote.

The stupidity is pretty even on all sides of the political spectrum. Things aren't black and white, and people who think critically and examine issues on their merits should not always come down on the side of some pre-conceived notion or ideology. It is possible to be socially liberal, strong on climate change and our responsibility to lead in that area, and also be fiscally conservative and very pro entrepreneurship and generally pro business. That most of the discussion tends to focus on vapid generalizations about either side illustrates its futility. This hyper partisan crap leads nowhere, other than to feed the small groups fo cheerleaders on whichever side, and to turn the majority away from the political process.

"The stupidity is pretty even on all sides of the political spectrum."
Not in my opinion. Is there such an individual in Canada who is critiquing Mr. Suzuki in schools? Is there a news network who would cover such an individual, not to my knowledge.
Let's face it. We, as Canadian people, hear all about the disastrous global warming, nothing from the opposition, the media doesn't cover it.
So as your generic "I am Canadian" Canadian, if the media is your source of news, you're jaded.

With predictions of the oceans rising made by Dr.Suzuki,should he have not moved further inland?

it's funny thinking I've read this before and there is my old monicker Dr Wright, nostalgia! I kind of miss that guy.

Not Suzuki and this Island he is on will it not be flooded when the deluge comes?

Wonder if Al Gore would go 'Double-Or-Nothing', $100 Million, on his 26 foot sea-level rise prediction ??

"your basic issue, and it comes up frequently - is your seething resentment that even people like Suzuki have been more successful in the material world than your sorry derrieres and it kills you"

Umm... no, actually. If tory_watcher actually understood conservatism, he'd know that conservatives are basically pro-capitalism & for the maximal earnings or success of the individual with as little government intervention mucking up the process as possible. Typically, conservatives don't envy the life of people more successful than themselves; they too want to achieve more, so why begrudge success from those who've already done likewise?

It's the likes of suzuki, gore and other assorted hard-left remoras that cause rancor through pushing for restrictions on personal liberty and business through enforcement of worthless technological change, third world carbon tax reparations and hobbling of north american manufacturing to the benefit of such staunch environmentalist countries such as china and india.

Remember, t_w, it's the left that wants you to eschew your SUV for some ridiculous fart-putt "smart car" (assuming they want you to drive at all, per suzuki); it's the whacko leftists that (per California) wish to control the living temperatures of individual dwellings, or (per Dalton McGuinty) dictate what type of light bulb you use. Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards? More needless government meddling and control.

Controlling how people live their lives and restricting free markets: that's a leftish trademark, friend. And it tends to grate hard with conservatives, to be sure.

So does the rank hypocrisy of 2-home and diesel-belching bus driver suzuki, who thinks it reasonable that folks should shoehorn their families into pre-war saltine box dwellings, while he loafs around in multi-million dollar homes. Ditto algore, who preaches to joe and mary shlubb on Chestnut street to shut off the lights and A/C in their 400 square foot economy apartment, while he uses 20 times the electrical consumption used by the average american home. But that's OK, as he buys carbon credit offsets... from a company that he owns, of course.

So yes, t_w, the tempers flare when a public teat-sucker like suzuki dares to demand that others must follow his "science", to the point floating the idea that it's fine and dandy to jail politicians who don't buy his AGW hooey. And of course, to suzuki and all the other pro-AGW koolaid-drinkers, "climate change" is indeed a "crisis", because only by scaring the populace with a faux-crisis can they become more compliant to whatever leftist plans the eco-maniacs have to rearrange wealth & chip away at personal freedoms. Anti-free speech advocates such as kinsella and richard pieman shriek at the imaginary threat of the free exchange of ideas (and righteous debate of hate speech through same), yet the fascist-like rantings of the pro-AGW crowd with the unfettered media support thereof constitutes a clear and present danger to our quality of life and liberty, and remain largely unchallenged. Perhaps the good doctor should have taken a poli sci course or two in his undergrad years, to understand that governments are not ruled at the behest of scientists (thank God). And even you may understand that hackles get raised when those who've clearly worked the system to their own benefit begrudge others achieving success to their own personal best; sort of like the spoiled 3-year old who's filled up with cake at a birthday party, but still pushes his playmates away who likewise want to eat their share.

And as for "science", who the h3ll is suzuki, anyway? The guy has done no serious research since what, 1980 or so, and none of it is based on climate study. If an economist started lecturing on new medical techniques he'd soon be laughed out of the news; why isn't this applied equally to suzuki? Or - worse yet - to gore, who's not trained even remotely in the sciences? The same gore whose scientific "documentary" carries sufficient exaggerations and outright falsehoods that it must be prefaced by a rider or declaration of bias before it is shown to british schoolchildren.

As for capital investments in "emerging markets"... thanks for the laughs. What are you pushing, dude? Solar power? Ahh... yes. Very efficient, that. What about thousands of square klicks of bird-shredding wind farms? Mmmm... good for a couple of percentage points of the electrical grid. Ethanol? Makes for great farm subsidies (and votes from the rural folk), but may actually require more energy to bring from the ground to your gas tank, to say nothing of the law of unintended consequences raising the price of corn & other related foodstuffs for a red herring energy solution.

And - be honest - WHICH of these could ever possibly stand on their own without considerable government largesse for support?

Yes... none of the above.

Fossil fuels power the economy and will do so for a great long time to come. Michael Crichton notes that an '90s IPCC study claimed that there is no way to reduce CO2 emissions with existing energy conversion technologies; it will take the introduction of an entirely new technology to supplant the use of fossil fuels.

So, t_w, drive a prius or a smart car or soup up an electric golf cart to shlep around if that's what you prefer; more power to you if that's what makes you feel good. Because that's typically what liberal solutions are: long on "feel good" and short on "useful results". But they do show that you "care", and that's more important than what's actually achieved, eh? Perhaps the wearing of a green ribbon as an added fashion accessory is advisable, because it too will show that you "care".

But don't blunder around here throwing puerile ad homs and insinuations that conservatives are "jealous" of the likes of david suzuki; most of us didn't really care much about him one way or the other until he sat back in his publicly-funded opulence and began lecturing the rest of us on how we should live our lives.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Better the "posted by" precede the comment rather than follow it. That way it'd be simpler and faster to know which posts to skip over once the narcissists are identified who love argument purely for the sake of argument and not because they have anything unique or valuable to contribute to the confab, provokers running a stick along the fence, take ten posts to make the point made in one. It would save on the trouble of scanning and processing by a good 50%, and save 100% on pure and simple annoyance.

The thing about Suzuki, Gore, and the like has nothing whatever to do with jealousy. Nothing. Period. It has to do with hypocrisy. What is it about hypocrisy that is so impossible to understand? I know so many people, not just Americans but Americans mostly because that's where I am, my own parents included, that live so far below their means it's not even funny. They spurn the second and third home, the luxury automobile, private planes, excessive travel, ostentatious displays of wealth, in favor of simple lives. Why? I asked them about this specifically because I'm curious. In some cases it appears to not even make sense, and I know it's not because they're tight. Because it's simpler! They're not given to pontificating on lifestyle but nonetheless manage to live admirably in manners others emulate. They were all very early onto resource conservation, recycling, solar heaters, well-sealed double pane windows, extra insulation, constricted shower heads, lowering boiler temperatures, low water usage toilets, CFC lighting, turning down the thermostat in winter, avoiding unnecessary air conditioning, and on and on, I'll only mention the home gardening, composting etc., because it was interesting to them and because it was fun and not because they enjoyed hearing their own voices, or attaining renown, awards, or any kind of recognition whatever. Or otherwise devising another Ponzi scheme. Nor in any way disrupting much less destroying the existing economy or retarding developing economies. Those are the people I will cheerfully attempt to copy and build upon. Not all of it, mind you, the oddness of it all at times gets a bit much; Mrs. Merrill (Merrill & Lynch) refused to use paper towels, considered them a total waste, my own Dad refused the dishwasher so it sat there unused and he drove a tiny car for years even though he could easily afford whatever vehicle he wished, as it was, he desired a ridiculously tiny one. He even objected to prolonged phone calls! I could go on, but I made my point. T.W. however has determined commenters here are jealous. Jealousy is the concept that found lodgment in his iron-trap mind so jealousy it is, and there is nothing, nothing that's going to shake that loose, so just forget it.

But now I know. Skip.

The actor, Robert Young played a couple of memorable roles in his career. The first being Jim Anderson in "Father Knows Best" back in the late 50s. Later he played a TV doctor in the long running series "Marcus Welby MD".

I know I am dating myself here, but after reading jhb's comments I was put in mind of how I recall reading in one of the former reputable magazines a few decades ago that a California medical school asked Robert Young to come and give a send-off speech to a graduating class of new young doctors about to go and start their careers.

This was one of the first times I saw real evidence of the disconnect from reality that the Leftists actually have. To think that a Hollywood actor who played a doctor in a TV series had anything serious to offer to real doctors was laughable if not hurtful.

As it turned out the good young doctors would have none of it and no one showed up for the event. They got together and later hired a real physician who had an exceptional career and was well know at that time. He gave the address and life went on. The med school was embarrassed because back in those days it was still possible to embarrass fools of this magnitude.

I equate the Robert Young faux pas to people like Dave Suzuki and Al Gore telling us all about our climate and how we should change our world to comply and be assimilated by them into their fantasy world.

I will have none of it and intend to listen only to some of the many true expert scientists on the subject of climate and there are many and they are starting to come in greater number in the face of retribution by their employer and some of their peers. So far the serious one's have pretty much debunked the claims of our failing Socialist climate change masters.

One last point on envying Suzuki. mhb has is right. When I see very successful self-made conservative people with much more than I will ever have, I salute them and take comfort in knowing that I live in a society where such things are possible. They did what it takes to get what they have and they are entitled to it. No envy here.

I have it on pretty good authority that the very natives Suzuki props up d'ont care for his preachings either. Most native bands knew long before we did the kind of character Suzuki is.
Now I cant be sure of this , but in his little article he fails to mention that at least in the case of the Abalone only natives are allowed to harvest it. I believe there are other species of fish as well such as Ooligans , that are exclusive to natives , these species are also diminishing.

"But I am sure they are all deluded and have much to learn from you."

Hmmm even the genetic hubris is present in this one...is there a lab somewhere that churns out these defective clones?

Looks like ookie pukie DAVID SUZUKI is giving us the old fish story of the one that got away this idiot is fabricating the whole thing

OMG: I wish I knew how to make OMG three times bigger.

I was on a subway in Toronto today and couldn't BELIEVE the ads papering the tracks, the escalators, and the turnstiles showing: ta-da...David Suzuki with a caulking gun, looking like a...fill-in-the-cracks-cowboy.

This guy is shameless. Mr. Green Jeans: Here I come to save the day! All the time, everywhere.

I wonder how much $$$$ he got for this ad campaign?

As Czech President Vaclav Klaus says regarding the eco-types, I've seen communism and I know what it looks like. Hypocrites like Suzuki are disgustingly condescending as well. Show up in the dumb guy's basement and lecture him on beer fridge savings? Don't try that in the U.S., they get to shoot dumb home invaders. Then have a cold beer.
As to the picture. How big's your carbon footprint David? This BIG!