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March 22, 2008

The Case Of Brenda Martin: Flashback

At Blue Like You, commentor "Tony" drops this tidbit from The Edmonton Journal, dated February 2003;

"It looked like a friggin parking lot outside that house most days," said Sandy Smith, who asked that her real name not be used. She still lives in Vallarta and fears the Mexican federal police. The Toronto native worked as Waage's chef and lived in Castillo Cristina for 10 months beginning in July 2000.

[...]

"Our liquor bill was $2,000 a week -- minimum," she said.

Smith said she placed one order for 80 kilograms of crab and then sent a mozo (houseboy) out to buy two new freezers to hold it all.

"He wanted only the best and I got it for him," she said.

"He was very generous and I had carte blanche with money. If I went to him and said I needed some money to get groceries or whatever provisions he would say to me, 'How much do you need, this much?' " she said, miming Waage holding his index finger and thumb about two inches apart.

" 'Or do you need this much?' " she said, and moved her fingers about four inches apart. "Then he would reach into the safe where he kept the cash and take a wad out of money out and just give it to me. Sometimes he never even counted it.


Emphasis mine.

Brenda Martin "worked for Waage for 10 months until he fired her in 2001".

Posted by Kate at March 22, 2008 12:09 AM
Comments

So Roy Green, there's a few more angles to the story since we've last heard you on your weekend talk show. More than a few tough questions to be asked to previously considered sympathic characters. Perhaps you've been hoodwinked, sir! We'll be listening...

Posted by: Boots at March 22, 2008 12:28 AM

Up until Mr Green started on this Martin thing I enjoyed his program, I had to shut him off last Sunday when he kept going on and on about calling the PM It will be interesting to listen to Mr. Green tap dance around this one. I hope he goes back to being his normal aggressive self because he did ask some real good questions of politicians.

Posted by: Rob C at March 22, 2008 12:45 AM

Is it possible this anonymous cook who got fired in 2001 is somebody other than Brenda Martin?

And that Brenda Martin began her work for Waage after that time?

Got to establish the facts before jumping to conclusions. It's the conservative way.

Anybody?

Posted by: set you free at March 22, 2008 2:04 AM

sounds like she needs' $10 million

liberal party needs all the donor's it can get

displaced mexican canadians!

water board her.............

Posted by: brian at March 22, 2008 2:17 AM

set you free,

Read the Edmonton Journal article ... April 19, 2001 seems to be a key date.

Posted by: ural at March 22, 2008 3:13 AM

How many of you Gomers actually read the Supreme Court decision Blackwater v. Plint on the multi billion dollar residential schools payouts. Liberals got you on that one. millions to the liberal lawyers. Cash shortage, I think not. What schools next. From a public school survivor, hahaha.

Posted by: Liberal scam detector at March 22, 2008 3:14 AM

I 'm reeeeeeeeeeeeeally proud of my fellow Canadians for *finally* cluing in, serveral days too late, that the female Brenda Martin is taking Canadians for a ride, and the media is colluding to embarrass the Tories.

You people are just so swift. Many days after the fact you courageously and brilliantly begin to question some of the facts, brave in the face of *unanimous* female support from Canadian females on discussion boards and radio phone in shows.

Sisterhood. United. Against men. And Conservatives. In Canada.

Anyway I want to repeat that I'm overjoyed and exuberant in the knowledge that you can't pull the wool over the eyes of my fellow citizens, they are just sooooooooooooooooo clever that it is only a matter of weeks before they cleverly decipher a Liberal scam that is OBVIOUS TO A BLIND MAN LOOKING IN THE WRONG FRIGGIN DIRECTION WHAT TOOK YOU RETARDS SO LONG????? HARPER IS GETTING CLOBBERED ON A DAILY BASIS ARE YOU PLANNING ON WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE LIBERALS REGAIN POWER? MORONS! THE LOT OF YOU!

Posted by: FDSAFD at March 22, 2008 4:38 AM

The elite latte sipping liberal media may be "outraged" by Martin's imprisonment but since when do they accurately reflect what the average Canadian finds concerning.

When I saw that news special about Martin, I paused for about a second, and thought it would be a shame if she was innocent (IF). But that brief pause was about as much emotional energy as I was willing to spend on someone who left everything and everyone behind to become a cook for a drug dealer in Mexico.

I have young children, a wife, a house with a mortgage, a stressful job and an ailing mother to worry about. That the media thinks the fate of this woman is something that should be at the forefront of my concerns shows just how out of touch they are with the "common person".

Posted by: biff at March 22, 2008 7:42 AM

"You people are just so swift. Many days after the fact you courageously and brilliantly begin to question some of the facts, brave in the face of *unanimous* female support from Canadian females on discussion boards and radio phone in shows."

I was questioning the facts, falalalal...??, I was yelling at the radio when Roy Green was making his demands, I was turning of the TV and the radio when Brenda Martin was wailing away and Falalalalal or whatever your name is... - believe me she DID NOT have unanimous support from this conservative woman.

And yes, reading the article, it did cross my mind that the Sandy Smith could be Brenda Martin - there is nothing in the article that leads us to believe it could or could not be.

See that is the difference between many of us who have waited until the facts have come out to react - we know there are two sides, we know that there has to be more to the story, especially when the Liberals are championing the case.

This follows in the smelly footsteps of Schrieber and Cadman.

I notice that the Liberals are not out championing the case of the kid about to be beheaded. They needed to find a more sympathetic dramatic face to front their next pseudo scheme and they found her in Brenda Martin - even better that she was a woman because as all good Liberals know - the Tories don't care about women!!!!! (sarcasm, by the way)

Watch for this issue to be dropped like a hot potato by the media now that the "other side of the story" emerges.


Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 8:30 AM

Just because a Canadian is in jail in Mexico does not mean she is innocent; just because she was convicted by the Mexican justice does not mean her sentence was unjust.

To uncritically assume otherwise amounts to a denial of the multicultural moral-equivalence assumptions on which our present society is based.

And yet, it is mainly liberal types who are uncritically jumping to her defense.

Posted by: Richard Ball at March 22, 2008 8:45 AM

FDSAFD:

You seem really pleased with yourself. Did you have to work at being superior to the rest of us, or did it come naturally?

Posted by: Richard Ball at March 22, 2008 8:47 AM

A trip over to National Newswatch and Bourque show a surprisingly (not) lack of mention of our jailed "scandal of the week" Brenda Martin.

Like I said, the media went off half-cocked again, jumping on a bandwagon that was headed for the cliff. Now they appear to be bailing before it goes over the cliff.

Too bad, because even though I think Brenda Martin herself screwed this whole thing up from the beginning, getting the Liberals involved in her case probably prolonged her stay in Mexico and the publicity she wanted to generate for her case is now turning sour because of the attitude of herself and her supporters and the fact that we are finding out the REAL story of why her case has taken so long.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 8:50 AM

"She still lives in Vallarta and fears the Mexican federal police"

I guess this solidifies that she is NOT Brenda Martin.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 9:00 AM

At "Tony's", one of the links provided, there is a interested tidbit about Shawinigate. I didn't realize that it is an ongoing RCMP investigation.

Posted by: GaryinWpg at March 22, 2008 9:02 AM

"I didn't realize that it is an ongoing RCMP investigation."

Perhaps we have the reason for the rapid-fire "pseudo scandals of the week" - after all if they are one step ahead with painting the Tories as corrupt, when the Shawinigate flood-gates open, Canadians will be "scandal-ed" out.


Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 9:08 AM

Red Tory Casey goes pawning and capitalizing. Oh, the plight! The plight! The hesitation!
...-

""I don’t care to be a political pawn anymore," she told The Canadian Press."

"Mr. Casey acknowledged he hesitated over going public about his letter to the ambassador because he didn’t want to appear to be capitalizing on her plight. He decided Thursday to speak out because he wants to rally public support."

Boycott Mexico, MP urges Nova Scotia constituents
http://tinyurl.com/3e5a2d

Posted by: maz2 at March 22, 2008 9:11 AM

Alberta Girl
Your post
"She still lives in Vallarta and fears the Mexican federal police" so it can't be Brenda Martin is wrong since that quote is taken out of a story that was done Feb. 13 2003 - so in 2003 she still lived in Vallarta -see story below.

http://www.thewantednovel.com/edjournal.htmlost

Posted by: Peter at March 22, 2008 9:37 AM

The Libranos keep associating the words 'Liberal' and 'Jail' for us.

Posted by: shaken at March 22, 2008 9:38 AM

Alberta Girl - the Edmonton Journal piece was written before her arrest. The 10 month employment timeframe from 2000 - 2001 for Brenda Martin and "Sandy Smith" as cooks for Waage are identical. They're the same person.


Posted by: Kate at March 22, 2008 9:42 AM

More to the time frame

Mexican authorities detained Martin in February 2006 on allegations of money laundering and participating in a criminal conspiracy in connection with an investment scam involving her former boss, Alyn Waage.

Posted by: Peter at March 22, 2008 9:48 AM

Ah - yes - I was confused - at first I thought it was her then I thought is wasn't her then after I posted, I realized that it probably was her.

mea culpa...

Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 9:51 AM

Another story from comments in Dust My Broom with other tidbits.

http://www.vcresearch.info/open/forums.asp?TopicId=9495&ForumId=73

Posted by: Peter at March 22, 2008 10:00 AM

Another story from comments in Dust My Broom with other tidbits.

http://www.vcresearch.info/open/forums.asp?TopicId=9495&ForumId=73

Posted by: Peter at March 22, 2008 10:02 AM

Think about it.

She was living in Puerto Vallarta in 2003 when the Edmonton Journal interview took place and admittedly in fear of the Mexican Federal Police after knowingly having work under admittedly suspicious circumstamces. Yet, she chose to stay in Mexico there until her arrest in 2006...it sounds like she chose her poison bu staying in Mexico if the person interviewed was in fact Brenda Martin.

Posted by: John at March 22, 2008 10:05 AM

The word 'poop magnet' comes to mind.
Interesting that the Libs and media would get all in a flap about this women.
What or who is connected?
Or was it just a 'opportunity' that they pounced on?
When will Canadians wake up to the fact that Libs have NO policy...just CPC and PMSH bashing...

And FDstuff...are you not yet aware that this blog tends to expose the stuff that has you so muddled and angry?...
I guess that is a rhetorical question.I know the answer.

Posted by: bluetech at March 22, 2008 10:39 AM

The word 'poop magnet' comes to mind.
Interesting that the Libs and media would get all in a flap about this women.
What or who is connected?
Or was it just a 'opportunity' that they pounced on?
When will Canadians wake up to the fact that Libs have NO policy...just CPC and PMSH bashing...

And FDstuff...are you not yet aware that this blog tends to expose the stuff that has you so muddled and angry?...
I guess that is a rhetorical question.I know the answer.

Posted by: bluetech at March 22, 2008 10:40 AM

Thanks, Kate, for digging up more dirt on Brenda Martin--not made-up, but for-real, facts about her unsavoury life in Mexico before she was arrested.

There are a lot of fugitives from reality living in Mexico and Central America, and I met quite a few when I lived in CA: Confused, drunk half the time, usually involved in the drug trade in one way or another (someone I knew ended up murdered, body found on a beach). Brenda Martin has the same sun-faded, hardened look about her.

If she was hoping for any further help from the CPC, she's really blown it now. She doesn't want to be a political pawn? Well, then, how come she posed with Dan McTeague? THAT'S the political Party that's used this tempest in a teapot--Potgate?--as a photo-op.

You know what's going on when everything's upside-down and inside-out and you catch more than a whiff of sulphur. The Librano$ are lurking and close behind, are their trusty huckster friends in the MSM.

Brenda Martin is a non-story. No legs now...

Posted by: batb at March 22, 2008 10:50 AM

Has the writer of the Edmonton Journal article (Charles Rusnel) been asked if the "Sandy Smith" named in the Edmonton Journal article is really Brenda Martin?

Now that it's 5 years later, he could hardly be expected to continue to respect her privacy - if this is the same person.

Posted by: Minnie West at March 22, 2008 11:04 AM

How is it that it's blogs that are coming up with the facts and information, while the MSM is devoting itself only to emotional hysteria totally bereft of facts or instead, creating a fictional scenario? That includes the self-defined and self-esteemed 'informative sites' of Duffy and Newman..and the news of CTV and CBC.

There are many questions:

Why would Brenda Martin be afraid of the Mexican police if she had nothing to do with the scam? If she was concerned, then why didn't she leave Mexico?

Or, was it that she could make more, without a work visa (no taxes) and cheap living costs and easy lifestyle in Mexico (and the weather)?

So, he handed 26,000 to her as settlement for firing her. There are several stories to what happened next.
One, that she re-invested 10,000 of it into his scam company unknown to him. Why?
Two, that he told her to 'take her commission' and forward the rest to a different account.
Laundering.

Why, when she was arrested, didn't she just claim that she was a hired worker in his staff and didn't participate in his scam - Instead, she focused on the arrest process itself; that she didn't have a translator. Small point, but, she's been living there ten years; does she have no knowledge of Spanish?

It is indeed possible that she wasn't part of the scam. It still seems strange that she invested 10,000 of that 26,000 in his company.

Is this yet another of the weekly Liberal Smear Harper Sixty-Second Hits - which last a week before the public realizes that the Liberals have, yet again, created a mudpile, a totally fictional mudpile - for the sole purpose of manipulating the public against Harper and the government?

Posted by: ET at March 22, 2008 11:08 AM

From story in Edmonton Journal Feb.15 2003 by Charles Rusnell about Brenda Martin
http://www.thewantednovel.com/edjournal.html
"It looked like a friggin parking lot outside that house most days," said Sandy Smith, who asked that her real name not be used. She still lives in Vallarta and fears the Mexican federal police. The Toronto native worked as Waage's chef and lived in Castillo Cristina for 10 months beginning in July 2000.

So in spite of her proclaimed fear of the Mexican Federal police as stated in 2003 she continued to live in Mexico until her arrest on Feb.17 2006 by these same Mexican police - can you help people who can't help themselves.
What doesn't ring true here?

Posted by: Peter at March 22, 2008 11:26 AM

This woman is nothing more than a Drama Queen who digs herself in deeper everytime she open her yap!
C'mon MSM, do a bit of a background check on her, or is that too much like work.

Posted by: Ed at March 22, 2008 11:29 AM

ET: "Small point, but, she's been living there ten years; does she have no knowledge of Spanish?"

Actually, ET, this is no small point.

If you live in a Spanish-speaking country and don't know the language, you are totally at the mercy of mercenary scam and con artists--of which there are many, preying on naive North Americans.

I think the best that can be said about Brenda Martin is that she was naive in the extreme, though I suspect that what's closer to the truth, is that she was on the make, herself. To not speak or understand Spanish, after ten years in the country, was/is stupid in the extreme, making her very vulnerable, espeically vis a vis the often corrupt judicial system.

Posted by: batb at March 22, 2008 11:32 AM

Now the letter stating she had no knowledge of the scam from her former employer makes more sense.


Under a plea bargain agreement, Cary Waage is co-operating with the American authorities and is prepared to testify against his father in return for a reduced sentence.

"Alyn told Cary to testify against him," insists Smith, who regularly communicated with Alyn Waage while he was in jail in Guadalajara. "He said: 'I'm dying in jail anyway so he might as well help himself as much as he can.' "

Posted by: DWT at March 22, 2008 11:35 AM

Milking it for what it's worth dept.

MP Bill Casey (Nova Scotia - Ind)is now urging people to stay away from Mexico and write the Mexican Embassy in Ottawa. No facts, just MSM induced emotion.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at March 22, 2008 11:36 AM

So, fsdafyapandrew thinks Liberals will defeat Tories in next election. Well, that makes two people in the world who think so (Hint: marxist professor, part of dream on team).

ET, notwithstanding the Martin thing, this scandal a week will, IMO, actually be the undoing of the Grits. It betrays their culture and their thinking. They actually believe they were treated unfairly in Adscam, having convinced themselves it was the work of "rogues," and not wholly indicative of their arrogant belief they can get away with stealing money from taxpayers, that their corrupt endeavours are actually good for Canadians - or that they deserve nothing better.

BTW, they still haven't paid the stolen money back, and likely have no intention of doing so. So, they have convinced themselves that the Tory "scandals" are no different from Adscam, that they are no less corrupt than PMSH and CPC.

Luckily for them, there are still some sane types in LPC who are preventing a election. They truly are the political deer in the headlights - no policies, no money and no leadership whatsoever. Hence, the self deluding nonsense coming from fsdafgritlovingandrew.

Posted by: Shamrock at March 22, 2008 11:43 AM

ho hum another day another lieberal,scam, is there anyone out there that believes a single word bleated on the MSM about anything at all.Sounds like this woman is astonished that investing money in a scam would put her in jail. Mexico is trying very hard to clean up it's system, if you spend any time down in the Yucatan you will see how hard they are trying to get a handle on criminals. We spent 2 weeks in Merida pop. 1,200,000 and found we could go anywhere day or night,walking, try that in Vancouver ,Calgary, Toronto.

Posted by: bubba brown at March 22, 2008 11:56 AM

ET, notwithstanding the Martin thing, this scandal a week will, IMO, actually be the undoing of the Grits. It betrays their culture and their thinking.
- Shamrock
That's exactly what I've come to feel. On another thread I said, "Liberals ... keep it up, it ain't working". To wit: Vancouver Quadra, Liberal win by 150 votes compared to 10,000 last time out.
But the Liberals won't get it. Can't get it, with their utterly skewed and corrupt frame of reference.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at March 22, 2008 12:13 PM

"And yes, reading the article, it did cross my mind that the Sandy Smith could be Brenda Martin - there is nothing in the article that leads us to believe it could or could not be."

Should women really be allowed to vote? This is the same girl who referred to me as an insect yesterday. Not enough sense to pour pee out of a boot, and she's calling educated middle aged businessmen insects. This was not in the brochure, people.

Posted by: FDDADS at March 22, 2008 12:19 PM

Stop the personal insults. You were tossed once, and I'll do it again.

Posted by: Kate at March 22, 2008 12:28 PM

How can people be so unfeeling about Brenda Martin - she is a mere shell of a woman. She has never even been charged, let alone convicted. She has been living in the most unhuman conditions for two years - no wonder she is half crazy. I thnk Harper should do whatever it takes to bring her home. Nobody deserves this life. Just so you know, I am as right wing as I can be, but I still have a few grains of human kindness.

Posted by: Louise at March 22, 2008 12:35 PM

There more I hear Brenda Martin bawl like a baby, and the more I hear the comments she makes, and the more I look at the facts of the case - THE MORE GUILTY Brenda Martin looks.

True, she is entitled to a fair trial, and should not be locked up forever without one. She should be given every right to face her accusers.

BUT - Brenda is claiming to be "innocent"; all the while trying to fight her case NOT on the basis of her claimed innocence, but rather on legal technicalities. In addition, I listened to her talk during a radio interview (I believe it was Charles Adler?), and Brenda mentioned "I was just a cook! I never even worked in the offices!"

Offices? How did Brenda know about the "offices" where the Internet frauds were being constructed by Waage? I recall that she made a few other interesting statements, which when analyzed, paints a clearer picture of what Prosecutors call "guilty knowledge". In most western courts, even "willful blindness" to what is going on is considered knowledge of the acts being committed.

That, coupled with the fact that Brenda took $26,000.00 cash from Waage and deposited it as "payment", then depositing it, and keeping only $10,000.00; this sounds like either money laundering or tax evasion. Also, the affidavit of Waage, that claims Martin had no part in anything, is legally worth about as much as a scrap of toilet paper; since Waage is already confirmed to be both a thief and a liar.

Face it. The Mexican police appear to have enough at face value to make a criminal case against her. Also, when Brenda Martin says that she doesn't want to return to Canada "just to go to jail" - why would this happen? Unless Brenda knows she is guilty of some type of provable criminal act.

From what I can gather, and from the and "drama queen" behavior and repeated bawling from Martin (which quickly turns into anger when she doesn't get the sympathy she thinks she is entitled to), I'd say that she more than likely had some greater involvement in the fraud scheme than her supporters claim.

I say, let her rot in a Mexican jail.

Posted by: Dino at March 22, 2008 12:43 PM

I really think that that PMSH and the CPC must be getting tired of making end runs on "MSM" and the boneheaded Liberals, or like another commenter said "swatting flies". What I have seen in the blogs, the "MSM" is fighting a losing battle. Roy Green had to be turned off last week, because of the whining he was doing.

Brenda Martin knew of the consequences when she lived in Mexico and it is not our job to run their justice system. "IF" they find her guilty of collusion of money laundering, then she deserves jail time. "When the judge wrote a 2500 page document" I am quite sure he was thinking of the justice for all involved.

The people whom they robbed of investment monies will never get it back. The people who are involved in this scam should be in prison for a very long time and we will be paying for the "pieces of crap" to feed and house them.

I am kind of wondering of how many Liberals and their cohorts invested in this scam and received monies from said investments. Kind of stinks like the Bre-ex scam in the 90's. Take the main character's for the ride in helicopter and say they jumped out, "honest they did". Merle Underwood.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at March 22, 2008 12:44 PM

Come on, Louise. People have to be responsible for their own lives. Governments are not in the business of breaking irresponsible, foolish, shady citizens out of foreign jails. If the Librano$ were in power, they wouldn't be able to do any more than the CPC have already done and this wouldn't even be a news item.

I suspect that Brenda Martin, from all that those who know her have said, was half-crazy before all of this started. Certainly, if she was drunk all the time, which more than one person who knew her said she was, her powers of discernment would have been gravely impaired. Add that to not speaking Spanish and what looks like involvement in shady, money-laundering schemes, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Whether or not one feels sorry for her is not the point here. The point is, it's clear that she made her own bed in Mexico--she could have left before 2006 and it sounds as if she should have, seeing as she feared the Mexican police since 2003--and now she's ended up sleeping in it.

How would you propose that PMSH and the CPC get Martin out of jail? Do you think it was helpful for Brenda Martin to accuse the CPC of "a dog and pony show" when they sent Jason Kenney down to Mexico to talk to her?

'Hard to believe that you're "as right wing as [you] can be given that your sentiments seem to put you squarely in the bleeding-heart liberal category.

Posted by: batb at March 22, 2008 12:48 PM

"She has been living in the most unhuman conditions for two years"

That is factually inaccurate.

In Latin America female jails are significantly more pleasant than male jails. I know this because there was a CBC documentary on it, white women being "used" as mules imprisoned in third world countries. Latin American female jails feature shops and often babies; female convicts being allowed to raise their children in jail. If Latin American female jails were as bad as some are imagining the CBC would have been all over it, but they aren't.

This is all on CBC documentary tape, televised nationally recently, I can't be the only person who saw it. So if you think Brenda Martin is in some sort of Midnight Express predicament you are mistaken. Save your sympathy for Canadian men who are in jails that can be mistaken for hell on Earth.

Posted by: FDDADS at March 22, 2008 1:00 PM

FDDADS... It is becoming clear to me that you are the male equivilent of a "feminist" - you seem to HATE women.

Now in saying that, although I am a woman, I am no feminist and although, from your say so, I probably do not have the education that you profess to have, I certainly consider myself educated.

I also admit when I am wrong - which I did when it was pointed out to me that I had read the story incorrectly as to the identity of "Sandy".

So don't get your educated shorts in such a knot.

And the "insect" comment was NOT directed to you specifically, but to the vast number of pseudo scandals that seem to be pointed rapid-fire at the Tories - like annoying little flies.

Just to clear all that up for you!

Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 1:16 PM

batb; "If you live in a Spanish-speaking country and don't know the language, you are totally at the mercy of mercenary scam and con artists--of which there are many, preying on naive North Americans."

Martin is quoted as saying "
"He was very generous and I had carte blanche with money. If I went to him and said I needed some money to get groceries or whatever provisions he would say to me, 'How much do you need, this much?' " she said, miming Waage holding his index finger and thumb about two inches apart."

I'd suggest that she is far more fluent in Spanish than she takes credit for. If she did the purchasing herself, she absolutely spoke the language; and if she paid in cash (from Wagge) then technically she was 'laundering' money.
Whether she knew the source of Wagge's money isn't really relevant.

Posted by: DaninVan at March 22, 2008 1:53 PM

Thank you, Alberta Girl, for changing my classification from insect to mysogynimist. This is clearly progress we can build on.

I don't believe Alberta Girl is stupid, by the way, that is giving her too much credit. Her and her ilk are just really feminist and really dishonest, to the core. They know bloody well Brenda Martin is guilty as hell and they don't care; it's all about the sisterhood and it has been since the dawn of civilization. Sisters standing up for sisters, the very definition of feminism. I'm far from the only one to suggest this over the past few days.

Posted by: FDDADS at March 22, 2008 2:06 PM

Please, Alberta Girl, don't lower yourself in front of the resident liar and hatemonger. It's obvious that Andypants/Fsaf is in his early 20's, single, and underemployed. Hence, his constant rants against ladies, ladies with good jobs, ladies who contradict him, and ladies in general. The tipper was him calling himself a middle-aged business man twice now. He's a kid, a troll, and someone who needs to be taken out behind the woodshed.

Posted by: Yukon Gold at March 22, 2008 2:11 PM

"They know bloody well Brenda Martin is guilty as hell and they don't care"

With respect to Kate - I KNOW that I am feeding you FDDADS, but what about my earlier comment did you NOT understand.

I do not know if she is guilty or not, but I sure as H3## do care how this whole scheme has been handled.

I also point you back to my statement in which I said I AM NOT a feminist - The women of SOW DO NOT and NEVER HAVE spoken for me. I do believe that the white male in this country is considered a second class citizen ( I do not believe this is right). That is why I espouse conservative views.

Now I have corrected your inaccurate portrayal of myself, I will leave any further attempts at trying to debate with you at that.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 2:34 PM

The revelation that the CBC recently ran a primetime documentary on women's prisons is germane to the conversation and a revelation to at least some, since at least one participant in this thread states plainly and wrongly that Martin is facing a horrible situation for which we should feel empathy.

33 million Canadians debating, and I alone bring this valuable insight to the table. What do I get in return? Anonymous trolls young enough to be my daughters making $35k, max, calling me mysoginimist and insect.

Posted by: FDDADS at March 22, 2008 2:35 PM

Andypants....you really believe in all the tripe that you spew,you gotta get out more,I know, it's not easy at your advanced age,hah.

Posted by: h.ryan. at March 22, 2008 2:48 PM

"...I am as right wing as I can be, but I still have a few grains of human kindness."

Is this implying that right wing leaning souls are heartless? I take exception to that comment Louise but I realize that you have sucummed to the whole intention of this MSM/progressive exercise in heart string pulling.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at March 22, 2008 2:58 PM

You are a misogynist, an insect and you can't spell. Go lurk somewhere else.

Posted by: irwin daisy at March 22, 2008 3:06 PM

Well looks like Roy Green is still holding on to his one sided view of the situation. Here is the email response I received from him.


"Mexico claims it's Brenda Martin's fault the case hasn't been heard in court? That's patently absurd!
In Canada, if a criminal case were to drag on that long, for any reason, all charges would be constitutionally dismissed.
The other issues you raise? With respect, it seems to me that you're more interested in defending the PM and the Conservative Party than Brenda Martin.
Sorry you won't be listening to the program any longer. I hope you find something on the dial which is more satisfactory.

Roy"


Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 3:08 PM

"In Canada, if a criminal case were to drag on that long, for any reason, all charges would be constitutionally dismissed."

Roy Green knows better.

Former NHL player Rob Ramage's widely publicized drunk driving case took four (4) years to get to court, that's just one recent national event off the top of my head that I can name that took longer than 2 years.

The SNL guy that went crazy spent two years in jail recently, he wasn't even charged, that was national news too. Pickton was in jail for two years without any conviction, there's yet another case. The guy who shot two RCMP officers in Saskatchewan has been in jail for nearly two years now with no court date in sight. Four cases I can name off the top of my head.

Over 50% of people in jail in Canada haven't been convicted of a crime, lengthy delays are very much a feature of Canadian courts.

Roy Green has to know this, he must get reminded about this on a daily basis if he runs a phone in show. It is illogical to deduce he is being honest in his opinion.

Posted by: FDDADS at March 22, 2008 3:16 PM

Andypants can spell,it's just not as easy trying to find the keys with senior vision and atrophy affecting trembling hands.I salute your courage sir,despite the bed sores you still manage to get around.

Posted by: h.ryan. at March 22, 2008 3:20 PM

How can people be so unfeeling about Brenda Martin - she is a mere shell of a woman. She has never even been charged, let alone convicted.

Louise, just to set the record straight on that one, she has indeed been charged with "money laundering and being part of a criminal conspiracy."

Source

Posted by: Joanne (TB) at March 22, 2008 4:37 PM

you see, Louise, the problem is that an invasion of Mexico is kind of difficult.
The states wont let us use their land or air space to get there, so what with having to go around, the logistics just dont work out.
So we are doing the next best thing. We are using all the diplomatic means at our disposal to resolve this issue.
Mind you it would have been helpful if Ms. Martin had availed herself of the services of the lawyers proposed by the Canadian Embassy.
It also might have sped things up if she had not decided to launch a constitutional challenge instead of dealing with the charges.
Imagine that!!! A constitutional challenge from a person who is in the country illegally. Yep, thats a winner alright.
So you see, Louise, how difficult a seemingly simple problem can become.

Posted by: Lee at March 22, 2008 5:43 PM

Lee - Perfect response!!!

Posted by: Alberta Girl at March 22, 2008 5:49 PM

I think that Louise is FDS in drag!!!!

Posted by: GYM at March 22, 2008 7:05 PM

'mysoginimist'? What is 'someone who hates female gorillas in the mist'?

"I'll take 'Dinks' for a thousand Alex".

Posted by: Brian M. at March 22, 2008 8:51 PM

Thanks for that Lee!

For the record, I agree with you Alberta Girl about the prison situation, futher schools in Canada marginalize the nature of boys; the school marms and mens try to make boys think and act like girls...boys end up hating school and drop out or evolutionize into what my Dad used to call 'panty waists'. FDDADS you seem pretty bitter...I hope that something good happens in your life pretty soon so you can patch up your hurtin heart.

Happy Easter everyone. God Bless you and yours.

Posted by: Jema54 at March 23, 2008 4:44 AM

As one who knows Brenda Martin personally, I am amazed how right most of you have the unreported "other side of the story." Brenda was not in Mexico legally at the time of her arrest. She ran an unregistered business. She did not pay taxes to Canada on her world wide earnings. She was detained by US immigration, put in leg irons and questioned for six hours on an ill fated trip several years ago. She can not land in the US again. For two years she has received bi-weekly 40 pound packages filled with food, clothes, phone cards, books, cosmetics, toilerties and other items she personally requested via lists she prepared. Those of us who know her believe she has suffered, and the best thing for her is to be released to Canadian authorities to either serve the remainder of her sentence in Canada or, be sent back to her mother's home in Canada to go on with her life in peace. The sooner this happens the sooner this sorry political and media spectacle will end.

Posted by: Linda Erin at March 24, 2008 2:19 PM

Tell us more about the 40 pound packages! Who sent them, who paid for them, why did they send them, what benefit is there for the sender, how can a person being detained possibly be allowed to receive/use such goods?

Posted by: Vancouver at March 24, 2008 5:59 PM

The numerous packages were sent to Brenda by a man who supports her, simply as a friend. He uses his own modest income to shop for the items she requests. Occasionally, he collects small sums of money from other Vallartans to pay for a few of these things. Brenda says she "shares things with her friends." The sender does not benefit in any way and has limited means. He is a good and honorable person. We speculate Brenda is able to keep some goods and barter others for privledges. This may explain why she has so much public access. In recent photos she looks much better than we expected.

Posted by: L. Erin at March 24, 2008 6:50 PM

Linda, that was a good answer. Thanks for taking the time to explain. If her benefactor is truly just a friend, I wonder if he is not being taken for a ride as well as exposing himself to investigation by the authorities.

Separately, I also wonder why Brenda was detained by US immigration, put in leg irons and questioned for six hours. If she can not land in the US again, then there must be a SERIOUS offense she has committed. What offense? Mexican authorities must be aware of this, and it must buffet her guilty-until-proven-innocent status. I missed this USA chapter in the story...can you fill us latecomers in?

Posted by: Vancouver at March 24, 2008 9:16 PM

Brenda's benefactor freely chose to help and does not judge her. Sadly, she rarely thanks him. Like most of us, he did not know her when she worked for Mr. Waage and has nothing to contribute to her case. We do worry he puts himself at risk for so little reason.

Brenda was detained in connection with Mr. Waage's federal case. Possibly, as a "person of interest." She said she had no idea why. Canadian authorities were called and reportedly said she could freely return to Canada. US Immigration let her return to Mexico, when she chose not to go to Canada. She was told not to return to the US. I could be wrong, but that was her "one time free pass."

At immigration, if you are held for interview unrestrained at a table and answer questions it is generally to clarify your documents or your reason to enter a country. If you are handcuffed, maybe a misdemeanor or felony "flag" relating to an outstanding warrant. If you are put in leg irons, you can surmise it is a federal matter and you are there until your status and nationality are determined, and your home country is contacted. Protocols take time.

Had Brenda paid income tax on that $26,000.00 to either Mexico or Canada, or kept her foreign resident status legal, she might have had a reasonable defense.

Brenda does speak reasonable Spanish. That would not have helped her very much. Mexican courts function by documents, not by actual testimony.

Posted by: L. Erin at March 24, 2008 10:31 PM
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