Stupidity, but they were trying for dishonesty.

Is Cukier a real name or a stage name. Sounds pretty suspect to me. Typical CTV hogwash. Thanks for actually watching the CTV news.

No contest. Dishonesty.

Thank you Kate!
This is a matter close to my heart proving the shameful deceit the liberals have pulled over Canadians eyes! I don’t need to comment here, I simple need to cut and paste recent comment on other sensible blogs……….

Does anyone remember the failed Liberal gun registry program? You know the one that was sold originally to Canadians as a 10 – 20 million dollar project to make our streets safer. Then when the absurdity of the underestimated cost was recognized the Liberal accounting think-tank upgraded the cost overrun to 110 million. Now in 2008 we are closer to 2 billion dollars of our money wasted with a large sum of that money unaccounted, missing, lost, GONE!
Are our streets any safer today or has gun violence and crime increased in the last 10 years? Liberals have absolutely no shame.
I wonder if they’ll spend allot of time wondering why they lost so many seats in Alberta last night. It must have been because they didn’t sling enough mud at the conservatives.

I have the impression that Canadian subjects had their firearms confiscated about the same time as their freedom of speech was lost.

It's pure, partisan, anti-Conservative campaigning, just like CBC's Obamagate story tonight and their Cadmanscam coverage in the days prior.

If these blatant incidents of pandering and bias, like CTV's waving of an AK-47 loaded with Conservative-brand bullets were all a case of stupidity, then they'd change their coverage as soon as they realize they'd made a mistake -- and what are the chances they'd do that?

If you diligently make false statements, innuendos, stories based on false premises, etc., and it always benefits one particular party and disadvantages another, you, or your producers, are definitely not stupid. Dishonest, immoral, fraudulent, condescending, but not stupid.

Although, I guess it was a rhetorical question.

Freedom Fan>

Not confiscated yet friend - Restricted. That means that everyone who was “Law Abiding” had to turn in their firearm serial numbers to a registry office and file them with the government for safekeeping. How many people do you honestly think bothered to willingly to do that civic duty? Of course that was only the law-abiding citizen. How many criminals would you think bothered?………….Very much like asking all drug dealers pushing heroin on Toronto streets to please register their product for public safety! This absurd bill has cost us Billions of wasted tax dollars and guns are as plentiful now as they were then - to the criminal. The only difference now is that some poor gullible patriotic Canadian seniors turned in their guns to avoid the confusion of the “new” laws and have paid the price of helplessness ever since…………….Oh yea and aside from the bloated over spending costs for administering the absurd bill there was over 50 million lost and unaccounted in the Liberal shuffle………..
Liberals dare to ask why they only have 10 seats out of 83 this last election in a conservative and logically minded Alberta? The insanity!!!!

Not stupidity. Arrogance. Supreme confidence in their ability to influence, which is in turn, an insult to their viewership.

I'm sorry - Me bad!

Alberta election 2008
Conservatives 73 seats
Liberals 8 seats (not 10)
NDP 2 seats

Yea give us another 2 billion dollar gun registry sinkhole and see how many seats you gain thereafter you volik mental midgets!!!
Unfortunately for you the conservative minded Albertans like their freedom and liberty's!!!

And then the false comment re shotguns. Who says it was false?

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/071017/d071017b.htm

Well worth a read.

It's 2:14AM (La La Land Time) and I can't sleep. I have no comment, but a hankering to use my nifty new Shakespearean Insulter. This goes out to no one in particular:

Thou villainous crook-pated giglet!

Man, the Bard was a class act...

Ahhhh. C'mon everybody. Doncha know how easy it is to conceal an AK47 in your waistband? What? You haven't tried it? Why every hip,gun-using murderer does so! The Lieberals/Dippers are just trying to save themselv...errrrr...us from ourselves. I guess if the extension doesn't work,spear guns and bows are next. When do darts become illegal?

CTV News: Dishonesty Or Stupidity?

Sorry that is just too hard of a choice to make. How about all of the above.

I noticed that on CTV, too. It's a constant with the media. They link the long gun registries purpose to controlling the already restricted or banned by other laws machine guns and other restricted weapons.

G&M has had billboard ads running for months in downtown Van and probably other cities as well with a machine gun on it and then some text asking the question "What's happening to Canada's long gun registry?" (I paraphrase). Pretty clearly leaving the impression that the gun pictured is affected by the long gun registry.

I think it's a combination of stupidity and dishonesty. Sometimes because they have an axe to grind but part of it is that news is entertainment. Machine guns are exciting. Long guns aren't.

Remember, CTV is affiliated with the G&M.

While I generally trust the reportage of the likes of Bob Fife, Mike Duffy, and anchor Marcia MacMillan and some others, I'm always wary of news sources. Other than the National Post of course!

You have to love leftard idiot logic.

So, according to douchebag cukier, the madman who murdered my uncle with an ax is not responsible for the act, but the ax is????

Therefore, I have a right to see all ax's made illegal.

I demand that the gov't establish an ax registry.

Well, maybe not. How about we start executing repeat murderers. How about we start giving long prison sentences to scumbags who use ANY weapon while committing a crime.

Silly me. That would mean arseholes would have to take responsibility for their criminal actions.

A brief perusal of the headlines at National Newswatch shows the following themes:

1) We have no evidence whatsoever, but Harper is Lying, about the Cadman affair

2)Until Harper "comes clean" (meaning until he tells us what we want to hear - that he personally bribed Cadman, notwithstanding any real evidence to support this) we will continue to suggest Harper is Lying, and

3) Maybe we can't get you on Cadman, well get you on "Obamagate", or "Bairgate", or whatever else we can find to punish you for committing the carnal sin of being a politically successful conservative government.

A brief perusal of the headlines at National Newswatch shows the following themes:

1) We have no evidence whatsoever, but Harper is Lying, about the Cadman affair

2)Until Harper "comes clean" (meaning until he tells us what we want to hear - that he personally bribed Cadman, notwithstanding the lack of any real evidence to support this) we will continue to suggest Harper is lying, and

3) Maybe we can't get you on Cadman, but we'll get you on "Obamagate", or "Schriebergate", or whatever else we can find to punish you for committing the carnal sin of being a politically successful conservative government.

Whoops, pressed the "stop" button too late.

The MP-5 is not "restricted" but "prohibited", and even its semi-auto versions are prohibited, simply because they "look mean". When the LIEberals sat down to write their list of what Canadians could and couldn't be trusted with, they started flipping through old copies of "Gun Digest", and everything they thought "looked mean" went onto the list. If you want to know the REAL reason why this $2000000000-plus was flushed down the toilet, read http://www.lowe.ca/Rick/FirearmsLegislation/AGangThatCouldn'tShootStraight.html

I personally think you are nuts to register a gun you want to keep. If the liberals get in they are going to ban or confiscate them as soon as they can swing it polititcally.

Just yesterday I saw a 40 year old re-run of the Lucy show. The episode dealt with an encounter with that “other culture” the quintessential hillbilly starring Tennessee Ernie Ford the then equivalent character to our current “Red Green”. Interim medial conditioning included, the stone-aged Jed Clempett, the dangerously crazy Hazzard County boys complete with inept law enforcement, Gomer Pyle, to name a few.

I can imagine the Joe Urbanite, the majority voter, watching TV while having his manicure, getting a jolly laugh at these stumblebums while subconsciously aware they are the ones with the guns:

“Yea, those same creepy-looking people who live out by my summer cottage always running around and shooting bambi. You can pick ‘em out in a crowd by the color of their clothes.”

There is cultural division in this Country but more pronounced in the US of Awful. The last presidential election in the US was perfectly split amongst the Jeds and the Joes.

In Canada the Joes have the majority vote. The Joes are political, for the most part, the Jeds don’t have time since they are too busy making our goods and growing our food. The Jeds, the real workers make our wealth, the Joes manipulate it. The Joes know petty politics, they know how to pander to the overtly liberal press and how to garner votes using any convenient emotional issue, never minding facts, that’s for those with a defensive mentality. Gun owners must come out swinging we must be much more pro-active and stop whining. Blogging is a good way to circumvent the biased news but what average Canadian searches out a blog which, lets face it, is just another form of commiseration.

I'd say dishonesty masking itself as stupidity.The MSM will do anything to villify the Harper government.
What else to make of this article whereby Campbell Clark outs Ian Brodie as the leak of Obamagate saying he made an offhand remark to a bunch of CTV reporters "that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing. The story was followed by CTV's Washington bureau chief, Tom Clark, who reported that the Obama campaign, not the Clinton's, had reassured Canadian diplomats.
Mr. Clark cited unnamed Canadian sources in his initial report.
There was no explanation last night for why Mr. Brodie was said to have referred to the Clinton campaign but the news report was about the Obama campaign. CTV president Robert Hurst declined to comment."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080306.NAFTA06/TPStory/TPNational/Politics/

Given that knives are the weapon used in 3x more murders, shouldn't there be a knife registry?

mp5 is actually prohibited in canada, which is one step more illegal than restricted

Television does not have journalists anymore, they are sensationalists. They focus on Ottawa because we do not have a Hollywood culture in Canada. Our politicians have become the proxy for the Britney Spears rehab series.

I expect to see an MP like Denis Coderre to show up any day now with a ring in his belly button and for MDL to count the number of carats in it … that’s the level the media operates at … belly button level.

The real issues of the day involve, for example, what Flaherty is attacking McGuinty on …the mismanagement of the Ontario economy. But that issue is not conducive to visuals on TV, it involves thinking. But television is not about thinking it is about numbing.

Obama is the new Ché t-shirt because he is a visual selling hope like Charles Revson sold lipstick .. lipstick is hope. It’s all visuals, skin deep, no content.

The root cause of bad news stories such as this is employment equity.

When the government forces news organizations to hire less qualified and wholly unaccountable females, and when the news is tailored to be agreeable to the freshly created, falsely affluent, and large employment equity cohort, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the news sucks.

CTV are mischief makers as much as the CBC when it comes to smearing Harper and conservatives.

Robert Fife and Tonda McCharles did a Liberal info-mercial with Puffy Duffy last night, totally biased and nauseating.

Duffy tired to mitigate the blatant one sided opinions but then just smirks at the bloviating of his guests.

Not unless or until we get FOX Network operating in Canada will anything change in regards to Liberal lickspittle and leftist MSM coverage.

Lorrie Goldstein at the Toronto Sun gives as good as it gets to the leftists at the CBC but sadly it's nullified by the likes of Greg Weston.

Lenin said it best....

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin quotes:
A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.
...and...
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin quotes:
One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers (Communist) and the disarming of the bourgeoisie (the middle class).

source..Google Lenin Quotes

INSTEAD of showing the guy with an MP5 they instead showed a clip of a farmer protecting his cattle, or a guy hunting?

Different implications and symbolism from those clips aren't there?

Then a clip of the Auditor General stating that there was no evidence the gun registry had done anything about public safety.

Would have been an entirely different presentation with entirely different connotations. But it would have been more realistic.

"Restricted"? Hell, those are beyond PROHIBITED!!

I have the impression that Canadian subjects had their firearms confiscated about the same time as their freedom of speech was lost.

Wasn't it Joseph who led the free Jews of Israel to Egypt where they then consented to be enslaved for 400 yrs.

Our children could build some way big pyramids in 400 yrs for Ramses err Liberals.

Lib/left dogmatics at it's finest. They still have to prop up their mythology why blurring the line between crime and gun ownership. One must ne suffering from "hoplophobis" to be inducted into this elite clique of psychotic social engineers.

Hoplophobia:

Hoplophobia, n. Irrational, morbid fear of guns ( from the Greek hoplites, weapon). May cause sweating, faintness, discomfort, rapid pulse, nausea, sleeplessness, nondescript fears, more, at mere thought of guns. Presence of working firearms may cause panic attack. Hoplophobe, hoplophobic.

Hopliphobia has been identified as a mental disorder by the AMA. Hoplophobes are common and should never be involved in setting gun policies. Point out hoplophobic behavior when noticed, it is dangerous, sufferers deserve pity, and should seek treatment. When confronted about their condition, hoplophobes typically go into denial, a common characteristic of the affliction. Sometimes helped by training, or by coaching in proper firearms handling, a process known to psychiatry as "desensitization," a useful methodology in treating many phobias.

Hoplophobic behavior is often obvious from self-evident irrational responses to real-life situations, and is frequently seen in the news media and public debate. When a criminal commits a crime using a gun, hoplophobes often seek to disarm, or make lists of, innocent people who didn't do anything, an irrational suggestion.

The idea of creating an enormously expensive government-run 2 billion dollar database of legitimate gun owners (which by objective definition would NOT include armed criminals) is a prime example of an irrational hoplophobic response to the issue of crime. How the writing of your name in such a list would help stop crime is never even addressed...or followed up on to check effectivness of such a system

Mow that the AMA recognises this ailment and treatment is paid for by insurance, an effort is underway nationally to have hoplophobia recognized in the DSM, the official directory of mental ailments. Resistance from elements in the medical profession suggest this may be quite difficult, but that does not reduce the importance of recognizing a widespread, virulent, detrimental mental condition commonly found in the populace. The actual number of undiagnosed hoplophobes is unknown, but believed to be in the tens of millions.

http://www.vcdl.org/new/raging.htm

I can't see why the Conservatives and NDP don't get together and have a committee "investigate" the state of the media in this country. Educate the populace as to who owns what and why they support the Liberal Party. Giving the media a well deserved shellacking in the process would be the fun part. Sadly the upshot would be Conservatives as censors and awaiting the soldiers in our streets. When are Conservatives going to buy some damn media.

As has already been noted, both the MP5 and AK47 are prohibited in Canada, making them almost impossible to legally obtain.

Does anyone know who did the report? If nothing else, I'd like to contact them and find out where I can purchase the MP5 :)

fsafasfasf, you must be an idiot.

That's the only reason I can think of that would allow you to make the leap of logic such as to link females in reporting organizations to the subject matter at hand.

Not stupidity. Not even dishonesty, really.

Its actually just part of the ongoing propaganda campaign against firearm ownership and self defense generally. It is media wide, it is pervasive from the top to the bottom, it is unrelenting and unsubtle.

Any TV news story about guns will have scary music, machine guns, and Wendy Cukier with her false news. That's just the way it is.

The reason I say it is a campaign is that you can't talk to reporters about this. Every scrap of Wendy Cukier's "evidence" has been debunked, shredded, exposed as fabricated from whole cloth. Repeatedly. Constantly. By people who are famous and by guys like me who are not (and soooo don't want to be!)

You go to a reporter, editor, publisher or frickin' copy boy with irrefutable proof she's lying. It doesn't matter. They still print exactly the same thing, the same way, time after time.

The gun registry proves the rule. Here we have a one billion dollar and climbing nonproductive black hole, and CTV is there with the MP5 clip.

Its a campaign. They won't change until they are driven out of business.

This isn't the only campaign of its type, either. You've got your global warming campaign, your evil Conservatives campaign, your SUV hatred campaign...

That's what we are paying for from our MSM "news" outlets. Propaganda. Thank God for the web and Kate McMillan.

I remember another CTV news story a year or more ago, where the police confiscated a registered collectors guns and then had to return them. What right did the police have to allow CTV to video this individuals guns. A clear violation of this individuals rights to privacy.

Notice that Wendy Culkier and David Suzuki share a common message? Neither is interested in debate. For the modern Liberal, gun control is settled science. Why would we expect our media, a media full of modern liberals, to go beyond this position?

BJ, that was his punishment for owning guns. They knew the whole beef was BS and no charges would be brought, so they took him down as publicly as possible.

Its called oppression when it happens in other countries. Here we call it "policing".

K-99: Now you sound like you are spinning the news. Mr E Stelmach won with only 41% of the elligble vote cast. This man speaks for the majority, in name only. The PC party in Alberta is a far cry from a real conservative party. It is the party of Big Government which is the hallmark of Liberalism. We got our "Liberal" government the other night, it just has a different name and they perpetuate the spin to the voters of the Big Lie. You actually voted in a Liberal government and they will spend millions to convince you of it. Har.

Saw that and I will pin my vote on "dishonest".

lance: I accept your admission of defeat. If all you can do is blurt out insults on the internet then you've lost the debate very badly.

Calling people idiots on the internet might've been funny in 2003 but it's a bit of a cliche in 2008; I need you, as a fellow citizen, to be better, much better.

I personally think you are nuts to register a gun you want to keep. If the liberals get in they are going to ban or confiscate them as soon as they can swing it polititcally.

The Liberals covered that angle, sport. The police don't need a warrant to search your premises, or your vehicle for firearms. There is no "just cause" clause in the Gun Registry legislation. Your rights to be free from unlawful search and seizure have already been abrogated. You even are reqired to assist the officer(s) in their duty, or go to jail.

jt,
Do some basic research!
Stelmach got 77.6% of eligible votes cat in his seat and 52.7% in Alberta overall. As far as being conservative enough compared to the opposition parties voters must have thought so!

The MSM is primarily populated by Eastern Urban Liberals. Firearms are more foreign to them than aliens. They do not even try to understand anything outside of their narrow point of view. Stuff like this only adds to our feelings of western alienation.

http://www.nodice.ca/elections/alberta/

For the record.

HA HA HA You fool Your Tories have kept the gun registry! You've been had!!!

You are so owned and you are too stupid to know it.

He got 72 seats & 52% of the 40 odd per cent who even bothered to turn out to vote. 60% stayed home. Do your own math.

I also want to post the following url that the statistics indicate registered firearms are not the weapon of choice for gun violence.

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/2006/dec7.htm

He got 72 seats & 52% of the 40 odd per cent who even bothered to turn out to vote. 60% stayed home. Do your own math.

When the Venture Capitalists, Oil Companies and Food Companies own all the farm land, you won't need guns as the land will be posted and you will be a poacher. Your deceased ancestors could remind you of this from Europe.

I saw the local news in London, Ont. They showed sawed-off shotguns (illegal,) automatics (ditto,) pistols (different registry since the depression -- how's that working out?) and a few assault rifles (one of which had a folding stock.)

I'm not sure it's even honestly that's the problem. These are just urban liberals with no actual facts. They go purely emotional and thought is absent.

aa,

A twit as usual. Harper can't kill the registry because he's running a minority government - or hadn't you noticed? Idiot.

jt >

"He got 72 seats & 52% of the 40 odd per cent who even bothered to turn out to vote. 60% stayed home. Do your own math"

Your assessment then is the 60% of Alberta voters that "stayed home" were Liberal voters that couldn't be bothered to get off their socially assisted couches to turn out? So therefore the election outcome does not truly represent the feelings of the majority of Albertans? I would disagree.

"Its actually just part of the ongoing propaganda campaign against firearm ownership and self defense generally"

Spot on Phantom. I have been in the trenches on this issue since 1989 and the media constantly misrepresent the technicalities at issue in the gin control debate...it is partly ignorance as the laws regulating guns are dealing with a highly technical subject which many media types have no clue of...

...and it is partially purposeful partisan disinformation ...I recall the debate on C-68 in the media and 3 of our national TV news outlets always had a background picture of an AK47 behind the news presenter during this period.

Now the AK47 may be a stigamtizing, menacing liiking tool of destruction to the average TO cindo-dweller...but the fact was that it was banned and effectively prohibited before Chretien introduced C-68...it was off the map in this legislation which largely effected common hunting and sporting long arms...now you can explain this away as the media liking to sensationalize and spook and shock, hut this went on routinely during the house debate and numerous Canadian sportsman's and firearms organizations had lawyers send letters to the editors of these media outlets stating the depiction of previously banned select fire machine guns in relation to the law in debate was fraudulent....but it continued...hmmmmm

The MSM likes their news biased towards their worldview.

How many years did Big Brother prevent Canadians from viewing Fox News?

In the U.S. the NRA stood between Big Brother and our citizens, and protected them (so far) from submitting to a national firearm registry.

A registry is always the first step before confiscation, as any good fascist knows.

Dishonesty Or Stupidity?

False choice. I vote "both"...

Alchemist >

It would also bee interesting to see the statistics broken down by race as they do in the US. The statcan listing Nunavut homicides by firearm at 6.50% per 100K is telling in itself. Obviously the native peoples of Canada will never ever loose their rights to firearm ownership as the leftist movement would deem that as bad as loosing the humpback whale.
Of course in a PC society those kinds of facts may hurt some feelings and we wouldn’t want that even if it did point to the real issues and allow a sensible solution to the problems of crime in general.

I realize that I'm late to the game on this one .... but how about Stupid AND Dishonest???

BTW - I woke up this morning to some twit on CTV saying that Dion is calling the Conservatives Chicken for NOT making the gun registry a confidence issue!

Huh...........?

biased+stupid = dishonest

They can't help it.

Anyone want to try and figure out what aa stands for?A few obvious ones comes to mind:a##hole always.

I have been in the trenches on this issue since 1989 and the media constantly misrepresent the technicalities at issue in the gin control debate.

Gin control!!! Now they're after my liquor cabinet...which I keep locked

the Liberals infamous and totally ineffectual 2 billion dollar "Farmer Bob Rifle Registry."

What is not in question is the dishonesty of the above post, nor the stupidity of the small dead minds who buy into the right wing BS lock, stock and barrel.
The cost of the registry since inception in '95 is about $1 billion. To put that into perspective, the cost to the taxpayer to subsidize all those freeloader Farmer Bobs since '95 is about $60 billion, conservatively speaking.

All canadians should be allowed to sleep safly at night with out having to worry about being robbed or murdered all canadians should have easy accese to guns for self defense and screw IANSA and GEORGE SOROS as well

Its dishonesty that makes them look really stupid.

manny,

let me see if I have your point here:

You think we should stop worrying as $1billion isn't really that much? You think wasting money is ok if we've wasted an even bigger forture elsewhere?

Clearly your way of thinking is what is ruining our country. And that is without the consideration of the effectiveness and justice of the program.

I think someone should institute a leftard tax. Your taxes are doubled if you have ever said anything so stupid as Manny or voted NDP or Liberal. If you pay no taxes (see the above mentioned groups,) you lose all your "free" money and handouts. Then we'll see who cares about a billion here or a billion there.

Warwick >

A very good point and solution for the leftist rationality that our money is for the pleasures of everyone else but us.

Yes let’s talk about Non Facts. “infamous and totally ineffectual 2 billion dollar "Farmer Bob Rifle Registry."
Speaking of dishonesty the program to register rifles and shotguns does not cost 2 billion dollars.

If this is what the Conservatives want to do about long guns.
“Although owners would not have to register their long guns, other legal requirements would stay in place:
• long-gun owners would require a valid firearms license to purchase or possess firearms and to purchase ammunition
• long-gun owners would be required to go through police safety checks
• long-gun owners would still be required to pass safety training
• current owners would be required to verify that a potential purchaser or another new owner of their non-restricted firearm has a valid firearms license by contacting the Chief Firearms Officer.
Individuals would continue to be required to register prohibited and restricted firearms, such as handguns.”

If you think, by not registering long guns this would save the firearm control budget 2 billion dollars? Think again.

If only Law Abiding firearm owners registered their firearms why are the Conservatives extending the amnesty again? This extension would total 3 years. How long does it take the Law Abiding firearm owners to register their firearms? If they were law abiding firearm owners their firearms would have been registered the 1st year the law came out.

From the RCMP website: Some quick facts about the Canadian Firearms Program as of Jan 2008

“Individual Licence Refusal and Revocation
21,676 firearms licences have been refused or revoked by Chief Firearms Officers for public safety reasons.
• 7,414 applications have been refused
• 14,262 firearms licences have been revoked.
Note : Reasons why firearms licence applications have been refused or licences revoked include: a history of violence, mental illness, potential risk to himself/herself or others, unsafe firearm use and storage, drug offences, and providing false information.”
14,262 firearms licences have been revoked, do these people own firearms?
If there is no gun registry and a person’s firearm licence is revoked how would the authorities determine if the person owned any firearms, and then, take the appropriate measures.

Ma’am sorry about your daughter’s death, we revoked your daughter’s ex husband’s firearms licence and we had a restraining order but we didn’t know how many firearms he possessed.

If the Firearm Program is just a Liberal policy why haven’t the Conservative passed a non confident motion and scrapped the gun registry like they promised?

No, Warwick, my point is that the $2 billion figure is bogus, that only a cretin would regurgitate that conservative canard without question, and that outrage over tax money wasted should be proportional to the amount wasted.
If a tax on right wing hypocrisy were instituted, we'd all be fartin' thru silk.

...the stupidity of the small dead minds who buy into the right wing BS lock, stock and barrel. The cost of the registry...

is freedom itself.

/manny, you lib dumbass

Here's a question for all:

Crime rate with guns before registry.
Crime rate with guns after registry.

Any noticeable chnages in rates, %'s, an inflection point to indicate that somehow this registry actually made a difference to anything?

(Unlike, say ,comparison with liberalization of gun carry regs in places in the US which have been shown to - AT WORST - have ZERO recorded effect on crime. And anecdotally has made a lot of people safer - defensive uses that don't result in dead bodies/woundings, the vast majority - rarely get recorded.)

Because we know it has annoyed gun owners and loaded them with paperwork, that if they fail to complete regularly through inattention makes them criminals, and gives the police and the slimey prosecutors another reason to harass/ confiscate /jail gun owners whose horrible crimes are paperwork related.

AND it costs a LOT of money.

Money that I suspect could find LOTS more effective law enforcement uses.

Manny,

Dig a little deeper an you will see that the $1 Billion dollar figure is a few years old. The registry burns through 75-100mm a year, the $2 Billion was the estimate to complete the job.

Thus, when they talk about the $2 Billion figure, they're talking the all-in amount. Of course, given the lack of progress, even this figure may prove to be low.

But, in your view, what's an extra billion between friends, eh? I'm sure that billion is money well spent and has sent the children of government employee liberals to university. Why crab about another billion just cause it's used against the law abiding for no good reason whatsoever?

Results aren't important to a liberal. So what's the big deal. Right?

Luke leaked: "If the Firearm Program is just a Liberal policy why haven’t the Conservative passed a non confident motion and scrapped the gun registry like they promised?"

Because quietly extending the amnesty got them an MP5 clip on CTV, genius. What do you think they'll do when the registry gets scrapped? It'll be wall-to-wall "AK 47's at the OK Coral" for weeks.

Might be nice to have a majority for a sh1tstorm like that, don't you think?

Luke - Have you ever watched the voting procedure in the House of Commons? Dippers/Bloc/Puffins would all vote FOR the registry then the gov't would have to FUND it!! Not funding the registry starves it to death.

As for a confidence motion on this issue - read what Phantom wrote above.

The cost of setting up an interactive relational data base for the gun registration thingie during the dark ages (13 years of Puffin/Dipper rule) is way out of the ballpark -billions!! - anyone who knows anything about data bases would know that one half decent programer could have set up this very UNCOMPLEX program in a week. The Puffins thought that everyone in this country is as ignorant as their supporters re: computer programming. "Some one or some people' made a bundle of $$ on 'some' contract - Aboteck rings a bell to me; Angry in the Great White North wrote a very comprehensive file about that outfit and the connections that outfit had to the Puffins.

Canadian's right to bear arms is guaranteed in the BNA Act - as well as the right to OWN property - and allow the LEGAL practise of smoking and shooting gophers, ride in the back of the truck, ride a lawn mower without a helmet... on that property if it pleases the owner to do so....IMO it is time for a tax revolt in this country. People who pay taxes on property should refuse to pay until they are re-granted the right to own the property they are paying taxes for...the 'Charter' is PET's 'scrap of paper' and the fool Canadians bought it as fast as the British bought Chamberlain's 'scrap of paper' with Hitler's signature of garenteed 'non aggression' toward GB.

ALL restrictions on the citizen's freedoms are branches growing off the stem of the same nasty plant - Totalitarianism. People cannot cherry pick the freedom they personally support and go along with restrictions they do like - this is a parcel and must be opposed as such or it will NEVER have any impact.

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"manny claims... The cost of the registry since inception in '95 is about $1 billion."

geez, bobo... that's not what pravda west says...

"Actually, the CBC's total cost figure of $2 billion for the entire gun registry "file"
amounts to about $685,000 per day, which means they spent the entire initially
estimated budget of $2 million, again according to the CBC, every three days,
for eight years straight."

hey, manny... know anybody with cancer?

how much medical research you figure you could you do... for 2 billion dollars?

and subsidies for agriculture? where do you figure food comes from... the steak
and potatoes factory?

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when they talk about the $2 Billion figure, they're talking the all-in amount

If that's whatthey mean, why don't they say that? Because they want the slack-jawed yokels in the Conservative hallelujah chorus to believe that $2 billion has been expended thus far.
Besides, even if one accepts the $2 billion figure over 20-26 years, the cost of the freeloader farmer subsidy program over the same time period amounts to $100 to $130 billion. No matter which way you look at it, the cost of the gun registry is insignificant compared to the cost of the Freeloader Farmer Bob subsidy.

The Auditor General's May 2006 report calculates the net cost at $946 million.
Food comes from the marketplace, neo. But then you right whingers don't really believe in the free market, do you? Scratch a conservative, find a hypocrite.

...you right whingers don't really believe in the free market, do you? Scratch a conservative, find a hypocrite.
-manny

Farm subsidies should be eliminated in the U.S. as well as Canada; no hypocrisy here, dude. But neither side wants to touch that, just like illegal immigration and social security reform.

But while you're scratch-and-sniffing, consider in the U.S. that the greenie libs are shovelling mountains of cash for alternative fuels to save the planet from that 'monster' global warming.

So instead of allowing production of clean nuclear fuel, the libs enrich Archer Daniers Midland with billions of dollars in corporate welfare to grow corn to burn as ethanol.

The problem with this feel-good lib solution is that it requires about as much energy to produce the corn as the energy generated by the corn.

Government 'solutions' through higher taxation? Um ... no thanks.

ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30. Cato Institute

The piece was totally dishonest & misleading.
You can tell what slant this "news" outlet wants you to walk away with, but it seems only the people who read these posts would know that.

Congratualtions Manny!!! You win the vaunted SDA prize for the most ignorant statement devoid of truth, reason or civility to be posted on the Canadian political net this year....pick up your prize of a life time supply of red herrings from the fine people at the duck gun registry and the CWB.

Putz!

I spoke to a Liberal strategist a about year after Day lost the federal election. He told me that the Liberals never had any misconceptions that the bill would prevent crime, or that citizens would even register their guns.

This bill was strictly political, it was used as a wedge issue to sway the votes of Torontards to the Liberals.

Liberal politics are about one thing and one thing only. Making sure control of the purse strings stay in central Canada.

The MP-5 is not "restricted" but "prohibited", and even its semi-auto versions are prohibited

I got the chance to fire one of them there MP-5s (long barrel version - the "SWAT"/military version wasn't for us plebes) at a sophisticated indoor range years ago and it was pretty sweet.