Why did the liberal Party print the HOC accusations on their website??

Obviously it is not covered under immunity.

Who ever is running the Liberal gong show are bigger idiots than I thought was possible.

Harper owns these fools

These Libs have a death wish or are just too stupid. Its almost noon, and the defamatory articles are still posted on their party website. I just love it when Harper puts the boots to Dion!

This is a brilliant move on PMSH's part -- either put up evidence grade material i.e. no innuendo, hearsay, second-hand whatever, or stifle it. Since their only potential evidence-grade witness is dead i.e. Mr. Cadman, the Libs have nothing. It seems that liberals try to smear conservatives by fabrication, innuendo, wild-eyed conspiracy theories, and bald-faced lies. Conservatives smear liberals by telling the truth.

The Pillsbury PM just needs a wee nap and his Reagan blankie. He'll feel better. No judge will touch this suit.

Because they were appointed? By?

I'm betting that Dona Cadman will be Steffi's pick for candidate in the riding of Surrey North!

I must say I'm a little confused as to Harper's strategy here. The MSM will take every opportunity they can get to present the allegations as truth, so why keep the story alive at all?

Then again, I guess he's pre-empting the media storm when the book actually comes out.

Dion's rhetoric in the HoC was highly inflammatory based on what was really known. I remarked to my better two thirds that he would get sued if he said these things outside the HoC.

Whatever Harper's weaknesses may be, going off half cocked on partial information and analysis are not amonsgt them.

Check out CTV's Bobbie Fife at his dissembling best where, under the video post
"Libel Allegations" li'l Bobbie can't wait to divert the discussion to
Abama's NAFTA explanation. Matter of fact, he stutters and stammers through
this obvious attempt to change the topic for quite some time.

Are these libs sweating bullets or what>

"However, excerpts from a soon-to-be-published book by Tom Zytaruk say that, on his deathbed, Cadman told his wife, Dona, daughter, Jodi, and other close friends that he had been offered a lucrative life insurance policy in exchange for his vote."

What's this? First it was just Dona Cadman, then Jodi Cadman and her husband; now they're reporting he told "other close friends". Soon it will be reported that half the population of Surrey knew about Chuck being bribed.

Do you tink it's izzy to make apoLOgies?
-Borat Dion

Welcome to Hades ladies and gentlemen the temperature should be rising shortly!!

Would you like slow bake or extra crispy?

The "Gun Ban Party" from the gang that couldn't shoot straight; manages to blow several big holes in their feet.

And now for our next trick, fire walking across Hades!

Muckraking taken to a new low by calling into question the dead who can't defend themselves.

Let's see the LIEberals get out the old halo polishers now.

"No,no those aren't horns erupting from my forehead, that was from the bar fight with the HELL's Angels!!"

As I recall it was the Toronto Chapter of the Hells Angels that referred to the LIEberals as a "bunch of %$*#$#&%($& hypocrites" and dubbed Paul Martin as the "Pirate of Canada".

The black farce comedy that calls itself the LIEberal party continues....

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion

2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)

Knecht Rupprecht Division

Hans Corps

1st Saint Nicolaas Army

Army Group “True North”

The Liberals will collapse on this. The Notice advises to preserve all records and conversations leading up to the publication of the libel on the Liberal website.

Stand firm and their internal planning documents are exposed in Discovery. Collapse and reinforce the perception Dion & Liberals are sleezy pond scum making cheap, vile politics over the grave of Chuck Cadman just so they can change the channel away from their own pathetic, spineless failure as an Opposition Party.

Wonderful politics.

I'm actually having a wee, tiny pang of sympathy for long time Liberals who must be devastated at the utter and total stupidity of the current gang of dumb-dumbs running the party.

The current bunch couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery or an orgy in a whorehouse.

If you read Kinsella`s take on this it dos`nt look good for Dion and the Liberals. Harper`s lawyer Rick Dearden of Gowlings has`nt lost a libel case in 20 years.

Good on him, he's taken this abuse long enough. This type of slanderous scuttlebutt and hearsay should be beyond anyone aspiring to be an MP let alone a PM as Dion has aspired to be.

I like the list who got caught scuttlebutting outside the immunity of HOC.
Iggy, Ralphy Goodale, Dion,and the rest of the LPC. These are their really bright lights?

Talk about a Mickey Mouse pack of fools. They even have the nerve to poke fun at Harper in the Lefty Haven of NS, hauling out the old photo of Harper in the Leather cowboy get up for effect.

Lets take them to the cleaners once and for all, they're not fit to even sit in the HOC carrying on like that. They need to have their arses hauled out on the election stumps if they're going to waste their time playing gotcha politics.

Kate*s Strikes again link item ends with . .

** The Conservative party will pay the legal bills for the suit, said party spokesman Ryan Sparrow.**

Wow, is that un-Liberal or what? = TG

Lol whos going to pay the lieberials lawyers fees, there not in power anymore so it wont be the taxpayer.

"Iggy, Ralphy Goodale, Dion,and the rest of the LPC. These are their really bright lights?"

Yes. Cumulative output would be about 3 watts.

A $1,000,000 insurance policy on a dieing man? I know of no such insurance company that would take that risk on. This is a joke and I do hope that Harper takes these Lieberals to the cleaners. Let's get a majority conservative gov't and then go after the Shawinigate scandal of secret deals and napkin bills of sale.

These Lieberal morons want to run the country, God help us if the electorate fall into that trap again.

National Newswatch is reporting that the book "Like a Rock: the Chuck Cadman Story" has been leaked online. They are trying to get the link.

So much for book sales if this is true. Imagine the cost to the publisher. I'd love it if Zytaruk had to return any advance!

The book would not have been leaked on line by the Liberals...naw...no way!

fred - interesting; you're probably right.

If the Liberals 'stand firm', their internal planning documents are exposed in Disovery. That is, it becomes public that the 'Cadman Affair' was a manipulated smear tactic by the Liberals without any truth in its allegations.

Back down, and they're shown as..?

I imagine that the Liberal lawyers are meeting on this now. They'll probably try to apologize in part (would Harper accept that?) and try to move the domain of the smear outside the Liberal Party, to either the book's author, or Cadman's wife or....I don't think the MSM will take it up; they don't have the data base to make a case and have simply been using the press data from the Liberals.

Incredible, how the Liberals are spending all their time trying to smear the CPC and Harper, rather than governing.

Again - loud and clear. The gov'ts legal fees are being paid by the Conservative Party. The MSM and Liberals will try to say that it will be the taxpayer.

Trying to offer a terminally ill man $1,000,000 for life insurance is like trying to offer a person with a burning house fire insurance. To think this is credible stupid and asinine. The Liberally are going to get burned. Indeed, its already begun.

I have multiple myloma, a blood cancer. When I was first diagnost and hospitalized I was given morphine to curb the pain. Morphine is used to control pain in many cancers and one side effect is memory problems. Mr, Cadman, on his deathbed, may have been recieving so much morphine that he did not know what he was saying or may have been very confused. This should be looked into.

The liberals still have the CBC, Globe and red star working for them.

So waht idiot forgot that Parliamentary Privelege does not extend beyond the Chamber? Probably some Cherniak-wannabe webmaster.

Our sitting prime minister is suing the opposition and the leading story on both ctv and cbc is that Conrad Black starts his jail term today,go figure.

The book's already available for free. HaHa those who were hoping to make cash out of it.

I stil don't know who's plan this is or whether it's working or what whoever it was was hoping to achieve. As Paul MArtin wrote the introduction, there must be a liebral connction.

'Said from the beginning Harper should sue but who would be dumb enough to yak outside of the HOC safe zone? Never dreamed it would happen, never dreamed they'd be so dumb.
Well, they are.

Just now on cbc...Dona cadman BELIEVES PMSH knew nothing about so-called offer,and she continues to support PMSH,and WILL run for Cons.

Long Live the noble and righteous "Mole"!!!

Are we talking about the same Stephen Harper who recently introduced the largest slate of Chinese-Canadian candidates in Canadian federal history?

"At the Canadian Conservative Association's 25th Anniversary Celebration, Harper praised the achievements of Chinese-Canadians.

"I am told by some people that this may constitute the largest ever slate of Canadian-Chinese candidates to ever run for a party in a federal election," he boasted.

"Friends, these candidates are highly accomplished Canadians in the areas of education, business and medicine, and now they are putting themselves forward, to serve Canada, and I think they all deserve our thanks, our gratitude, and our support in the next federal election campaign."

Whenever that may be."

www.citynews.ca/news/news_20155.aspx

I'd hate to be Stephane Dion:

"Liberals' 88th promise will add to their $62.5 billion in new debt
February 21, 2008

Dion Liberal spending commitments continue to pour in

Despite having already made 87 spending commitments that would plunge Canada at least $62.5 billion deeper in debt, Stéphane Dion continues to refuse to come clean and release a full costing of his spending promises.

Instead, the Dion Liberal spending commitments continue to pour in. Yesterday Mr. Dion committed to spend $50 million on the creation of a “South Asian Foundation of Canada”.

Mr. Dion’s latest promise brings the total number of identified Liberal spending commitments to 88.

Even though he has at least $62.5 billion worth of new debt to explain, Stéphane Dion has not learned. No matter where Mr. Dion goes or who he meets with, you can be sure that major spending commitments are soon to follow. What Stéphane Dion does not realize is that non-budgeted spending commitments are not even worth the paper they are printed on.

Stéphane Dion. Not a leader. Not Worth the Risk."

ET, Grits have two choices, all in or withdraw peacefully. Classic political hardball by Harper. Why didn't he let this go? Maybe he read the book, or something like that. Given truth best defence in libel, Harper must have the full, truthful story - wouldn't make sense. Nice play - turn this from maybe Tories crossing the line to maybe Grits crossing the line.

There seems to be a money aspect to this - put them in Discovery (no, you can't really decline, so you have to hire lawyers)- costly, possibly embarassing. The suit does seem to have merit, though, so what if they lose.

The squirming from Liberaldom and the squealing of intimidation from MSM shall soon follow. How are we going to make it to Oct 09?

As long as there was no election, Cadman would be a member of parliament with all it's coverages, salary and privileges. If his death was imminent, why would he prefer to be on the campaign trail with no hope of continuing his MP career.

I think it's more likely that he was confused and perhaps it was the Liberals who were making him offers. Perhaps not, but the Libs had more to lose in an election than the CPC. That turned out to be the case.

Harper has built a reputation of integrity, I cannot believe he would so something this risky.

Shall see.

Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in the Commons anymore.

The Book . . .

PDF . pages 1 to 297

http://www.667890ttt.com/Chuck%20Cadman%20-%20Like%20A%20Rock.pdf

Don*t know the good parts yet, but I heard it may be the last few pages. = TG

Dion was warned once, over the Dimitri Soudas affair only a month ago.

The guy just doesn't learn, does he.

Cheers,
lance

I'd love to hear Peter Lorre say "The Mole."

Just now on cbc...Dona cadman BELIEVES PMSH knew nothing about so-called offer,and she continues to support PMSH,and WILL run for Cons. Posted by: Sammy at March 3, 2008 12:55 PM

Listening to that must be giving Dion a bit of sick sinking feeling.

I'm glad Harper is taking this step, though I'm furious it had to come to this. Mr Cadman, his wife, and his family are, by all accounts, honourable people, and have been dragged through the muck in order to score political points. Mr Harper has indeed been libeled, and given the number of lawyers in Parliament, you'd think the Liberals would know better.

I hope Goodale is able to serve up a response free of the usual spin and smoke. I won't hold my breath.

Isn't a bribe to coerce someone into doing something that they would not normally do, that would be at odds with their established conduct?

Cadman likely felt handcuffed by the convergence of his rapidly deteriorating condition, an unfavourable term in his parliamentary insurance policy, and the tremedous weight his vote carried.

Does reasonable person think that if Cadman was in the pink of health he would have voted with the Liberals?

Conservatives offered him a way to vote his concience that would be in keeping with his actions through his entire politcal career.

Perhaps he felt a bird in the hand was worth two in the bush at this point, so he declined.

But to term it a bribe is not accurate.

Cadmans choosing to vote in a manner that was entirely inconsistent with his prior career to guarantee himself a greater financial reward would be more accurately described as a bribe. So Cadman in essence, bribed himself.

Conservatives are only guilty of trying to give him an option to not have to have done that.

Both Fife,and Julie van Dusen have now read very strong statement from Dona Cadman,supporting PMSH.I'm wondering if this was all very strategically played by PMSH,and he knew all along,that Dona would come out to voice her support,and they played the Libs.Chess and checkers folks!Also,on cbc,lib.mp Mark Eyeking likens PMSH to 'Castro'Loving this!!!

Dona Cadman has just issued a stmt, read on CBC, clearing the PM of any wrongdoing.
That caught Julie off guard and she laughed at how this story changes by the minute.
A liberal from Atlantic area said this libel threat is just a threat, he also laughed.
The poor liberals have spent the last week saying Dona wouldn't lie so they can't not believe what she said in her stmt.
Another smear coming back to the liberals.

Remember, this whole Cadman affair is all based upon hearsay, which has no value in court of law.

Dona's statement in full is posted in comments section at AGWN

RW - that's the whole point. The whole Cadman affair is based on hearsay which has no value in a court of law, but tremendous value as a manipulative propaganda tactic by the Liberal party to smear Harper - all - without a shred of evidence.

The following message from Dion and the Liberal Party is in the public domain. This accusation is still up at the Liberal Party website.
Thus, Citoyen Dion still speaks outside the House of Commons where the privilege of the Commons does not extend.
...-

"“Chuck Cadman was a man of great integrity. But now we learn that the Conservative Party tried to bribe him and that the Prime Minister was aware of it,” said Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion during Question Period in the House of Commons. “Mr. Harper knew that envoys sent by him attempted to buy a man who was on the verge of death.

“He knew that was immoral. He knew it was unethical. He knew it was illegal. It was a violation of section 119 of the Criminal Code.

“Why did the Prime Minister authorize this type of tactic that was as immoral as it was illegal?”"
http://www.liberal.ca/story_13635_e.aspx

Dona Cadman's statement is affirming two things - one, that Harper didn't know about or offer a million dollar policy; and two, that she believes her husband that SOMEONE DID make such an offer, either of those two CPC people who visited her husband.

Now, this puts her in the comfortable situation where she believes both people: Harper and her husband.

BUT - that still leaves open the question - did someone in the CPC actually offer her husband a one million dollar life insurance policy? Both of the two individuals say 'no'.

There is no insurance company that would offer such a policy either in one policy that required a medical exam, or a set of smaller policies that required only an application - where you must state that you are not suffering some terminal disease (no medical exam; just your word).

The money could not come from the CPC coffers; no auditor would allow such a claim.

The offer, according to the two men, was to cover expenses during a re-election campaign and that the CPC would not put in a candidate to Cadman's running as an Independent.., if Cadman voted to bring down Martin's govt and had to undergo a six week election campaign. That was it.

Now - what will the Liberals do? eat crow yet again? How are they going to wiggle out of this and still manage to look like the Victorious Liberals?

i have not been over at any of the left leaning papers to read about this or the comments, But i have the feeling the comments would be along the lines of Harper Bully, Bush usa rep tactics,.
The liberals have been getting away with crap like this for too long, The Pm was right in his Notice of libel.
When Dion gets up in the HOC he is going to look like he just got hit in the Family Jewels & i can just well imagine the Silent Backroom Boys are going to be having a little Word with comrade Dion & Co. Between this little escapade to Murphy's Hang Him High to Redman's sexual abuse calls on Moore i think the Canadian Public is just about had enough of the Liberal Crap in Ottawa.
Like i have been saying Way Too Much Jerry Springer on this issue.
Iam going to revise The Liberal Party are too much like the Jerry Springer Show, he said she said let the dukes fly.

DEVELOPING:

Senior Liberal strategists are brushing off Harper's lawsuit, saying they are confident that they can utilize the principle tool in which to defend against a libel claim: the defence of truth.

Asked how they plan to prove the truth of allegations which stem from the word of a dead man, a senior adviser to Dion quipped back:

"you obviously haven't been keeping up with the times, ever hear of the movie 'Poltergeist'?"

Liberal insiders are confident that they can employ a spiritual medium to contact Cadman in the afterlife (citing the eerie sounding short women from the popular '80's horror movie as evidence that such contact is possible), though they admit there may be some difficulty actually serving him with a subpoena.

The Toronto Star has contacted several experts who say that, while serving the dead with a subpoena may be difficult, it is legally possible.

Said one legal expert hired by the Star:

"One thing is certain, this latest Liberal salvo must be making Harper very nervous. No one wants to be in the unenviable position of having to impeach the credibility of a dead man on the witness stand."

Nice to see as well,the media (Fife) starting to question why,when Libs KNEW about this in'07,it is just coming out now.Said 'they had an obligation to report'...buckling up for QP! I can just see Newman's head exploding and I am enjoying that thot!

A lot of hurt feelings........sniff.

CTV has Lib response:They will NOT apologize,won't back down..accuse PMSH of 'libel chill' and attempt to shut down the discourse.

Dona Cadman just came out in support of PMSH.
WTF!!!!!!!!

I hope Dion and the rest of the sorry bunch have a large supply of Depends. They're gonna need them.

Despite our gun control laws AND the long gun registry, Dion has somehow managed to open his mouth and put in his foot, and then shoot it.

Twice.

I guess convention centers across Canada are sending brochures to the Liberal Party headquarters as we speak.

I hope dionski and crew roast in hell.

..ET, and Cadman said no as well

One thing we'll have to be watching for is Liberal lawyers working pro-bono in order to be appointed to the bench some day. (It used to be liberal lawyers donating cash. Now that's illegal beyond the grand a year.)

Any work should have to be declared a political donation, no? And any work done for free worth more than the max donation amount would be illegal, no? Not that a liberal lawyer is worth much...

Is it possible that Harper's just doing this lawsuit to put the Liberals further in debt re: legal costs for this, which Harper probably would win? Remember that the CPC has money to burn at this point.

Pretty smart if it is...

A) I think it absolutely ROCKS that Harper is suing these gutter dwelling Liberal slime molds. Trampling the honor of a dead man to get cheap political points, it doesn't get much lower than that.

B) Its about damn time somebody put a boot into them. The brain trust that runs the Liberals seriously needs an ass kicking, looks like this is finally going to be it. I got a pair of size 10 1/2 steel toes right here if Harper wants to borrow them.

I'd like to see the Liberals declare bankruptcy and be dissolved. It would make me happy.

The Liberals will get to spend what little cash they have on legal bills. Kinda hard to get donors to give you their money when you know it's gonna be spent on defending the party against their own stupidity.

I guess Celine Dion hasn't figured out that it's not a good idea to play mouse to Harper's cat.

lead story at CBC still Conrad Black

TG: The link to the Cadman Book http://www.667890ttt.com/Chuck%20Cadman%20-%20Like%20A%20Rock.pdf
isn't working , maybe it's been pulled? I would have liked to get it.

The Libranos must know that a Harper majority is within reach, as the sleeze factor of their behavior rises daily. Their confidence in their spin-machine is astonishing.

Equally astonishing is that they have not yet found their mole. Quite the tight grip their leader has. Imagine how steadfastly he could lead our country through the difficult times we face ahead - as the US dollar crisis deepens.

When you can't manage an effective and orderly opposition, what makes you think you can lead the country?

RW

the CBC hates black so much that they wouldn't pull the headline if a giant meteor was on its way to hit Toronto in the next half-hour.

Duker,

Correct you are. Guess the author sicked his lawyer on the website.

Google "Cadman+book" with the quotes and you may find another site for the pdf pages.

= TG

Can't help but notice how quickly the Globe and Mail comments are being closed for stories related to this. Some within an couple of hours of publication.

Could it be the libs are not weathering this too well?

Can't help but notice how quickly the Globe and Mail comments are being closed for stories related to this. Some within an couple of hours of publication.

Could it be the libs are not weathering this too well?

Duker,

Correct you are. Guess the author sicked his lawyer on the website.

Google "Cadman+book" with the quotes and you may find another site for the pdf pages.

= TG

Following QP,on ctv,Fife commented on how intense and convicted PMSH was in his threat to make good on lawsuit when responding to Dion.Fife said he has never seen PMSH so determined...wondered what PMSH has up his sleeve,and PMSH stated clearly it would go to court.Check out WK's comments re same.

The clucking twit Kate Wheeler asked the fake blond Fife what he thinks about about the possibility of Dion retracting his claims about Cadman,to which Fife responded "good luck",this was followed by chuckles and snickers by Wheeler.It boggles the mind how stupid these to are.

Hmm if they have had the "information" for some time and they botched it this bad was Jason Cherniak in charge "the sting"?

It used to be that Parliamentarians were careful to ensure all charges were made in the House. Going outside the house and co-ordinating with media (the point of asking for the planning documents, emails and phone calls) is just asking for trouble.

There is one thing about uttering a libel that gets reported, it is quite another to co-ordinate a libel with the newsmedia. If I were an editor, producer or publisher I would be double checking with my reporters that they were not engaged in any Krista Erikson like co-operatiion. They be liable for the libel as well and in big dollar amounts, since it becomes a conspiracy at that stage.

Ever see this movie

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3634732800/tt0081974

Reminds me of Mulroney/Schreiber as well.

Got an error message on the last comment, and voila, two instead of one. = TG

The twit Kate Wheeler asked the fake blond Fife what are the chances of Dion et al retracting their claims about Cadman to which Fife responded "good luck".Kate found this quite amusing judging by her snickers and chuckles.It boggles the mind that these two can be so transparently anti Harper.

"Yesterday Mr. Dion committed to spend $50 million on the creation of a 'South Asian Foundation of Canada'."

hmmm, sounds like somebody is trying to buy some votes.

Interesting - Dion won't apologize and is using the tactic of 'the best defence is an offense', ie, he's accusing Harper of threatening the Liberal Party with 'libel chill'. This may buy them a day or two.

What's the strategy? I'm assuming that there is no proof whatsoever to the Liberal claim of CPC bribing Cadman.

If there had been, they would have provided more evidence than hearsay, and they haven't even hinted at such. Therefore, their original strategy was 'scream and smear'. Not exposure of truth, but a deliberate, malicious, smear campaign.

It's really a very serious allegation, to accuse a PM of corruption. Don't the Liberals realize that when you accuse someone of such, you HAVE to have a full data base? Not just hearsay and allegations and speculations that ..'well, somone could have put up a million dollars'; and 'somehow it could have been done..and.'

The Liberals tried to connect Schreiber with Harper and failed. Are they really that dumb?

How do they get out of it? They probably feel that an apology would destroy Dion's credibility. Maybe. Can they get out of it? How?

1)The book author will retract.
2) The daughter will retract.
3) Mrs. Cadman has already, in a way, retracted but only from Harper, not from the CPC.

4)Are they waiting for the March 17th by-election in Toronto Centre, which Bob Rae is slated to win? Then, he can come charging in on his White Horse and take-over from Dion?

Are they hoping the sky will fall? A meteor?

Liberals have two prong strategy to deal with lawsuit. First they will claim website simply repeats Dion's comments in House (except for that Bribery line at top of website, that is).

Second, they will hire a medium, try to get them into a court to hold a seance, so they can talk to Cadman and confirm his story, thus refuting the libel.

This is getting funnier by the moment. It seems like Harper was aware Donna Cadman would make statement. Liberals may have just stumbled into a quick and dirty way to get rid of Dion.

More likely, though, after some huffing, puffing, and of course, bluffing, Dion, Goodale and crew will issue some sort of meal culpa that they didn't actually speak outside privilege, but apologize for misunderstanding. To go to the wall on this means they will, at least, incur significant legal expenses and look really bad.

This is pretty high stakes. There is so much on the table now from both sides that this will be impossible to resolve without major loss of face and likely a resignation.

Harper cannot back down now, not that he wants to. If DIon is going to back down then he better do so in the next 48 hours. If he lets this go much longer then he is investing more and more into it. HE might buy some time but being forced by a court to apologize would be a killer. The Liberal party really doesnt have the money to take care of this. An apology now likely gets keeps money out of the equation.

As I said above, some news organizations better pray that their people arent on the call lists of the main people involved. Imagine if the CBC was caught again in this kind of a media/Liberal Party Dance....I think you could easily look at the destruction of CBC news and the Liberal Party....long way down the road but the scenario exists.

First the liberals call a deadman Mr. Cadman a liar, now the liberal call his widow Dona Cadman, a liar.

No news on who the two alleged cpc members are that made the supposed offer. I wouldn't be surprised to find out if it were the liberal party that made the offer, it is more thier style.

Not looking good for the liberals, not good at all.

By the time this is done, the higher ranking liberal party members, will not be able to run for local dogcather.

The Libs statements (both in and out of the HoC)were so over the top and incendiary that something had to be done. If Dion had been smart he would have simply said that the allegations were very serious, and are being referred to the RCMP.

This is all symptomatic of what was posted on this site about Liberal "hope bubbles". The hope that some quick and easy fix resulting in renewed Liberal power will show up. Like a genie in a bottle or sword in a stone. That tough realities such as poor finances, lack of vision, and a dweeb in Stornaway don't really matter.

Well, the Liberals still have real convictions in their safe place, the HOC today at QP. Dion, Iggy et al were going on with the accusations in their only safe haven.

Also in the HOC today Shawn Murphy, MP from PEI apologized to EVERYONE, the House, his constituents, Brian Mulroney and his family, the Conservative MP from Abbotsford who was trying to ask a question when he went on his vitriolic rant, his own family and on and on, also hoping everyone would forgive him. Guess the devil made him do it. Lot of that going on in the Liberal ranks these days.

Worst pack of dunderheads ever seen in the HOC.

I think Harper was pretty sharp on this.

1 - put the ball in Libs camp to prove their allegations.

2 - circumvent a "showcase" trial in the ethics committee.

3 - cause the MSM to review their notes on this and cool down their heavy anti-Harper breathing.

4 - maybe cause a change in what constitutes "parliamentary privelege" and get the House back to doing actual work, with everyone assuming their proper responsibilities.

The Liberals have offers on the brain, but they never make them -- in the May 16 2005 PMO recordings the furry comforts on offer were clearly stated as being not an offer, yet somehow offers were hanging in the air. In Zytaruk's book, even the Cadmans, waiting in their apartment -- also on May 16 -- for Dosanjh and Paul Martin, were somehow well aware of the Martinites' propensity to make offers:

"A few minutes before their distinguished Liberal guests arrived, Chuck and Dona wondered what they were going to be offered in an attempt to buy Chuck's vote..."

In other words, the day before the two Conservatives allegedly showed up with an offer, the thought of an offer was fully on the Cadman's mind. There are only two possibilities: either it was their own thought, or they were aware of something that the public was as yet unaware of. (The Murphy tape had not been released, and Stronach had yet to be offered Public Works, as far as the public knew.)

Martin would reiterate later on, to Zytaruk, how the very thought, or idea, of any offer offer of any kind was very much not on his mind or on anyone else's: "In the conversation I had with Chuck Cadman, and Dona was there -- she heard the whole thing, as did Ujjal - he never asked for anything,' Martin stressed. 'It never even occurred to us that he would want anything. It never even crossed our minds. The conversation totally took place on what was the right thing for the country.'"

Yep, until those bastard Conservatives showed up the very idea of an offer wasn't even in anyone's mind:

"(The Cadman's) meeting (with Dosanjh and Martin) ended with a knock at the door.

"'His first in command said it's time to leave,' Dona recalled. 'They had that meeting with Belinda Stronach that night...'

"After the prime minister left and Chuck and Dona were once again alone in their little apartment, they looked at each other with eyebrows raised and smiled.

"'Well, what do you think about that?' Chuck inquired. "'The prime minister, sitting in our living room, with our IKEA furniture!'

"After a pause, he added, 'Well, they didn't offer anything, did they?'

"'No, they didn't,' Dona agreed, with surprise in her voice.

"'That's kind of interesting,' Chuck mused." (All emph. mine)

What can you say?

BTW, for anyone else who is absolutely gobsmacked that the CBC would make top-of-the-hour news out of this fairy-tale story of a book, check out this astonishing bit:

"Chuck responded (to the two Conservatives) by bouncing them out of his office. They took the list with them when they were ushered out of the door.

"The only other person in the office with Chuck at the time was his legislative assistant Dan Wallace. But when I broached the subject with him, he recoiled like a spring.

"'I believe Dona Cadman as the day is long,' he offered. 'She has no interest in fabricating anything.'"

Did you catch that? Dan Wallace was the only other person in the room when the offer was allegedly made, but when he was asked about the offer he deferred to Dona Cadman, the source of the money-quote in Zytaruk's book, who wasn't there.

What can you say? About the CBC, I mean?

Stephen: "As I said above, some news organizations better pray that their people arent on the call lists of the main people involved. Imagine if the CBC was caught again in this kind of a media/Liberal Party Dance"

We can hope -- but I just don't see it. What sort of collusion do you have in mind?

Surprise, surprise. The CBC is interviewing a Toronto lawyer who says that, in his opinion, Harper has no case. Funny considering that the Live interview came after Dion's scrum with the PPG in which he would not use the term "bribe", choosing instead to call it an "offer."

The average goalie at best was at his perturbed best in question period today, Dryden was supremely pissed as were the fat "and "skinny lesbos in the libs and ndpeers. So obviously Harper must be doing something right and the real telling point was between Flaherty and a silent prarie porcupine Goodale, yes even good old "want some inside information on the income trusts" Ralphie shut his big mouth today, little scared possibly. As for that liberal fart bottling Fife, well if I had to live on 2500 a month waiting for the theives to return to power I would be hastening their return also. No money to steal in opposition and it is killing the stinking lieberals, ha ha, suck it up puffins.

Has no case?????

Publicly accusing someone of criminal conduct without a shred of evidence, ISN'T LIBEL????????

Ohhhhhh, sorry, I just reread the comment above, that was the CBC,

sorry carry on, makes sense now.

Just finished listening to the Michael Harris show on CFRA Ottawa. Callers overwhelmingly smell a rat as far as these allegations are concerned and given Harris's leftish bent, they can't all be Conservatives.

Harris indignantly harrumphed "You're calling the widow a LIAR?" and hung up on one caller, but when others suggested we follow the money, I think he began to sense things were not going his way. Many were drawing an analogy between Belinda & Cadman. Another poll gone horribly wrong.

I believe Harper did this to save a deadman and his family some integrity. The liberals were going to make this an issue, and Harper would have had to deflate it with the truth. The truth is ugly at times, and Harper knows the liberals would stop at nothing, and Harper would have to bring the truth out. If the truth came out Cadman's name and that of his family would be destroyed. Some people don't have the stomach for that.

And just now Dona Cadman has issued a statement:

Personal statement by Dona Cadman
Globe and Mail Update

March 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM EST

The following statement was released Monday by Surrey North Conservative candidate Dona Cadman, wife of the late MP Chuck Cadman

I'm a little bit surprised at the level of reaction to the disclosures in Tom Zytaruk's book and I guess that's probably because it was put to rest in my mind, when I discussed the matter with Stephen Harper, 2 ½ years ago. At that time, I recall specifically asking him if he was aware of a million dollar insurance policy offer, that upset Chuck so much.

He looked me straight in the eyes and told me he had no knowledge of an insurance policy offer. I knew he was telling me the truth; I could see it in his eyes. He said, yes he'd had some discussions with two individuals about asking Chuck to rejoin the party, but he'd told them they were wasting their time trying to convince Chuck.

From that point forward…. I didn't regard it as a “Party” initiative, but rather; the overzealous indiscretion of a couple of individuals…. whose identity, Chuck never revealed to me.

It all comes back to my conversation with the Prime Minister…. 2 ½ years ago. I want to be perfectly clear in that regard. Chuck liked, respected and trusted Stephen Harper. I like, respect and trust Stephen Harper. If I didn't believe in my heart, that he was telling me the truth…. I wouldn't be running as the Conservative Candidate for Surrey North.

Dona Cadman

------------------------------------

What the hell is going on here? This would appear to put the matter to rest. Presumably if Dion withdraws his allegations (though he says he won't) Harper will accept, end the libel suit, and the whole matter will end----except that the "no smoke without fire" Liberal smear squads will add it to their list for future use.

Dan Wallace was in the "office" but was he in the "room". One wonders why hes isn't quoted/interrogated more.

Dion has reached the edge of the precipice & willingly took the leap.

No apology in QP because 'e is counting on Dona Cadman's accusations to be his parachute.

But clueless Dion let Iggy pack his chute. Gonna be a messy landing!

Only 2500 a month,and with the cost of wash that gray right out of my hair,I guess my broadcasts would be inarticulate as well.

MJ

The co-operation in mind would be IF the media outlet and the Liberal party co-operated in setting up the libel. IE Liberal party approaches media outlet....I have hot story and here is what it looks like. We are going to release it on this day and time can I count on you guys covering it.

While this may sound ruin of the mill it will come down to whether the reporter checks up on the source and facts. If they say Thanks for the tip, cna you give me some background so I can check it out then they would be clean.

Its about the co-ordination of the message delivery that would cause issue. At some poitn a line is crossed by the reporter who can tjust say, well they these guys told me this outlandish thing and I put it on tape.

Media are very careful what they say, see recent National Post apology. They generally dont reprint,. rebroadcast potentially libellous staements without context..i.e. in the House of Commons today the leader of the opposition said that the Prime Minister is a member of a Notorious Biker Gang.

The opposition leader said that the Prime Minster should come clean. Outside the House the Leader of the Opposition said he is troubled by allegations and said it is important for the Prime Minister to ensure he is byond question.

To date the Opposition leader has offered no proof, but points to rumours and allegations.

How interesting that those who credit PM Harper for running a "tight ship", would think he'd be stupid enough for a blunder of this magnitude. I would love it if this turned out to be nothing more than the feeding of a trap that the Libs walked right into.

Skeptic, you mentioned listening to Michael Harris show on CFRA today. Harris has had an abnormal hatred for Harper since he supported our traditional allies when Bush went to war against Iraq. He has never been able to support him since.
It's rather sad, Harris has turned off a lot listeners for that reason. He is a rather accomplished individual otherwise so it's disappointing to see him so blocked off.

Stephen, check out the stories that were filed after this audiotape surfaced. The one from Alexander Panetta was particularly laden with innuendos about what Harper knew.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wcad20228/BNStory/National/home

I'd say it's a good bet that the Liberals and media are already working pretty closely together on this one.

John g,

"I'd say it's a good bet that the Liberals and media are already working pretty closely together on this one."

I'd say your first clue on that would be that Paul Martin wrote the screed at the front of the book...

I'd say it's a good bet that the Liberals and media are already working pretty closely together on this one.

Yup.

Robert Fife is already suggesting legal strategies for the Libs. Suggesting the Libs were only repeating on their site what they said in the HOC.

Apparently Fife thinks he knows more about liable than a liable lawyer at a major firm.

Any legal types here care to parse the difference between "repeating" and "quoting"?

The Discovery will be a treat.

Liberal phone logs, meeting minutes, names of who attended the meetings.

It will be a full fledged education in how to plan and execute a drive by smear campaign thinking you won't get caught and exposed.

If we are lucky it will be the final stake driven into the black heart of the Liberal brand in Canada.

Wow. This exactly what I said in my blog post on the subject last week. People had better be careful about statements made or written outside the House. You'd think the LPoC would be smarter.

The fertile soil of the scandal has sprouted its first suit, and at the highest levels of power. Incredible.

the fool's stepped out parliment to repeat their stupity out side of previlege. go steve go !

Like I said from the start of this dog an pony show...Boag and CBC are in this up to their bloody red eyballs.... the Author of the book Zytaruk is clueless .... Dion and the LIberals have been suckered.

Looking ..... forward to phone logs and e-mails from investigation to be made public.

heres my theory or one that the MSM will be touting soon,

Harper along with Bush set the whole thing up. Dona Cadman will get paid off to change her story and make Dion and Martin look dumb. oh right , they already do.

Liberal site, complete with Photo Shop art work.

Dan Wallace has denied being in the office when Nichols and Flanagan met with Cadman. Journalists from CBC's As It Happens made reference to this fact in their interview of Tom Zytaruk last week.

Furthermore, Zytaruk didn't even know who the two CPC representatives were and only found that out during this interview.

I kid you not, take the time to listen to that "As it Happens" interview to find out the magnitude of Zytaruk's "doofus factor". It is beyond belief.

Which leads me to believe that only the Liberal Party has a greater "doofus factor" as they chose to follow this guy.

CBCpravda has changed their headline. expect the whole to blow over like a beerfart in Pincher Creek.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/03/03/cadman-statement.html

A great day for Canadian comedy.

First, Ken Dryden the angry Pillsbury Dough boy getting slapped down in the HoC, then Robert Fife furiously blinking his way through a so-called interview on CTV news as he blathered incoherently.

Stephen Harper is toying with these fools. It's nice to see a Prime Minister defend his good name and inflict terrible damage to the respondents credibility.

Kate did you pull a Kinswilsuya on the liberal party? Come on, tell the truth, did you set them up?

fools....remember it was only a week ago Karl Rove was in Canada....i tell you...HE truly is one magnificent bastard..i've never so much enjoyed having Canadian sovereignty abused in decades.

I agree with Jom Begley. In fact, Rove and the PM met to discuss this matter. I know this to be true because an aquaintance of a friend of Zytaruk told the aquaintance that he had a friend who heard they got together and discussed it over dinner.

The Liberals? Stick a fork in them, they're done. There is simply NO WAY that a man as cagey as Steven Harper would embark upon a libel suit unless he knew there was zero chance of losing. Look for a big spike in Google searches for crow recipes.

Funny though, in all the speculation about who said what to Chuck Cadman, that nobody made any reference to what I believe would have been an ethical way for the CPC to offer him financial "reassurance" in the event that his vote were to topple the Libs. That would be, simply, for the CPC to offer a promise that they would support a campaign to solicit donations to a foundation set up in support of Chuck's family. There would be nothing unethical, in my mind, for the CPC to urge its members and the public at large to help make whole the family of a brave MP who performed a signal service to the country by toppling a corrupt government, at the cost of halving his life insurance benefits.

If such a thing had actually happened, I know I would have contributed, even if such a foundation were not tax deductible. I'm sure others here would have done, as well.

According to the party website, The Liberals are now trying head off the discovery by demanding an "immediate" inquiry by the RCMP, and further re-iterated that they would "never apologise".

"Dis is not fair. Do you tink it's easy to apologize?"

it his not izzy beening sued. Borat Dion

Dion is done...

mark peters: "You'd think the LPoC would be smarter."

Well, yeah, you'd THINK that, but the fact is, they've been so entitled and have been able to do and say whatever they want for so long--with cover from their buds in the MSM--that their guard's down. 'Though you'd think since PMSH won the election in 2006, the LPoC would, just as a survival tactic, cool their jets and back off slagging the PM and the CPC.

The reality is, the LPoC STILL feel entitled and seem quite sure that their cosy relationship with the PPG and MSM will prop up both them and their hearsay evidence of "wrong doing" on the part of the PM.

PMSH just called their bluff. Good on 'im. These slime buckets need to understand that their sleazy pull down the government at any cost tactics are no longer going to be tolerated.

Ralphie Goodale looked worried on MDL, while he huffed and puffed and threatened to bring the CPC House down.

How sweet if it's the LPoC house made of straw that collapses.

Iggy was just on politics saying how the libs do not want this matter to go before the ethics committee,and it really isn't necessary to have the rcmp investigate. All the libs want is for Harper to stand up in the HofC and tell canadians what really happened. Yeah right. Newman replied that Harper probably thinks that he already did that. Iggy wasn't his usual smug smirky self.This looks so good on those bastards. All we need now is to find the link between the libs and their propaganda arm.

"Tonight: CASH for CADMAN?!!"

If the sort of email or phone records that would be made available during a libel trial show even the teensiest hint of collusion between Liberals and CBC reporters/producers prior to the Feb 27 nationally-broadcast "exclusive" smear against Stephen Harper, it would be the CBC's worst nightmare. But regardless of whether or not any such nodding or collaboration occurred it's borderline criminal that a top-of-the-hour national news story suggesting Stephen Harper may have committed a serious crime would be based on a second-hand allegation that a man now dead said something off the record that wasn't about Stephen Harper at all but rather about "a couple of individuals" whose identities were never even revealed to the second-hand source of the hearsay evidence, according to that second hand source herself.

"Was the dying MP offered a million dollar insurance policy for his vote?" -- P. Mansbridge

Erm, shouldn't one of your reporters try to find out the answer to that question before you go on air to ask the question?

Get this: Save for a brief interregnum consisting of Zytaruk talking, Zytaruk's book -- its name, its cover -- was displayed onscreen for over a minute and a half straight. That's waaay longer than it sounds, when you actually watch the news report.

Yikes. And if you actually read the part of the book that is the source of the report, and realize that the CBC's "exclusive" libel comes from such a book, CBC's "news" coverage of this could end up being far more significant than the Krista Erickson incident.

The CBC's revolting Lib-proxy entitlement is starting to sound like a death-rattle. If the CBC's producers and reporters continue to air unprovable allegations against the Conservatives as top news stories, they are going to find their asses sued off the air in a class action lawsuit by Conservative voters fed up with their blatantly partisan, anti-democratic campaigning.

Or maybe CBC will show their balance instead by broadcasting as top news stories unprovable, second-hand, hearsay innuendo-libels against Chretien or Martin or Dion.

Speaking of the propaganda arm .... CBC's Boag has been dead silent since facts started coming out on Thursday .....

Dryden Smackdown here!!

Perhaps those of us here who jumped the gun and posted disparaging comments regarding Dona Cadman, should offer retractions in light of her support for PMSH today.

Agreed Gus...
I wondered what she was thinking...doing...saying on this issue. It was so disjointed.
I assumed she was stupid, for that I apologise.

CBC has been boaged. Sell the CBC/RadioCanada to the highest bidder.

Waddell says:
"It has been a tough few months for the credibility of political reporters."

Christopher Waddell: Inside Ottawa
Five reasons why there won't be a federal election
March 3, 2008
[...]
In Canada it has been the media's efforts to promote an election, lighting fires where there has been little fuel, that is undermining the credibility of political reporting.
For two months, the news from Ottawa has focused on almost nothing else. The first election trigger was the (Liberal) Senate. Would it pass the Tories' anti-crime bill? Then the confrontation was going to come over Canada's future role in Afghanistan, or maybe Jim Flaherty's budget.

Everything was being analyzed through the prism of an inevitable and impending election now that Stephen Harper's minority Conservative government had passed the two-year mark. It had to happen. At least, until suddenly, it didn't.

Along the way, it seemed as if much of the media forgot some of the fundamental principles of politics. They crystallize around five questions related to the current state of the Liberal party, as Liberal MPs are the ones who will determine when and if the minority Conservative government falls.

Let's go through them. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/2k9jz3 (cbc)

Dona Cadman didn't retract her comments about an offer of a 1 million dollar insurance policy; she stated that Harper himself knew nothing about such an offer.

The two people of the CPC who apparently talked with Cadman were Tom Flanagan, the U of Calgary professor who works closely as an advisor with the CPC, and Doug Findlay. They state that they discussed assisting Cadman with election expenses for a re-election campaign (if Cadman voted to bring down the Martin govt) and the CPC would not put a CPC candidate in the riding so he could run as an Independent. That seems reasonable and fair to me.

Cadman refused the offer; whether he was sceptical of lasting until a re-election or whatever - he stayed with Martin and his current pension and benefits to his widow.

The rhetoric about a one million offer is completely unsubstantiated and untenable. The Liberals are trying the tactic of: Oh, so if you don't believe it, then, you are declaring Mrs. Cadman an liar".

No; she's not lying; she believes what she says; she's not intending to deceive. But, that doesn't mean that her recollection, or her belief, are the truth of the situation.

And, the Liberals are talking about 'libel chill', ie, that Harper's threat of a lawsuit is a mean and nasty tactic to prevent debate. Wait. Wait.

Didn't Stephane Dion file a libel lawsuit against Gilles Duceppe in 2005, claiming that Duceppe sent out pamphlets claiming that Dion was part of the Sponsorship scandal? Didn't Dion file a lawsuit for 400,000 (which he apparently decided because he checked how much Duceppe had in his bank?)...and didn't Duceppe have to apologize? That's some Libel Chill.

maybe Boag will be the sudbury reporter.

CBCpravda in the middle of asking for funding and then going into PO mode.

Dona Cadman claims to have relayed what Chuck told her. She also completely believes that PMSH had no knowledge of any such offer. The offer may not have occurred, but I tend to believe that Chuck told her one did.

Asked my insurance agent if his company would issue a $1M insurance policy on a terminally ill man.

"Sure, no problem."

"Wow. I had no idea. By the way, how much are the premiums per month?"

"Just a one-time payment of $1M up front."

Guess the life insurance guys have been yukking it up this month.

Just heard one of the opposition party members - possibly NDP member of Ethics - that this should be taken to the "No Ethics Committee". Please don't do this to us. We don't want any more of that "Committee." I watched enough of that to make me ill for a decade.

Just saw on Duffy a reminder that Stephane Dion sued Gilles Duceppe for saying Dion knew about wrongdoing under ADSCAM.

Duceppe had to apologize.

Now we have Stephane Dion doing the very same thing for which he sued another politician and for which he got an apology.

WTF?! Stephane Dion is throwing stones inside a glass house!

Dion and his ilk are pretending to be appalled that PMSH is suing them. Boyoboy, but they either have terrible memories (hey, remember when Chretien was always threatening to sue everyone all the damn time?) or they're the biggest hypocrites next to the "Palestinians" who themselves play the victim when Israel dares to fight back in self-defence after suffering many causualties for a long time...

For all their bluster about not apologizing, the Liberals WILL eventually apologize.

Saw Iggy on Newman also... kept repeating the same lame line over and over, evading Newman's questions.

Karen Redman refused Jay Hill's demands to "make your accusation" on Duffy and, like Iggy, simply repeated the same pathetic talking points.

The Liberals have nothing to offer by rhetoric and the standard "it's in the public interest to look into this" nonsense to distract the attention from their own worthlessness as Opposition. Suddenly they don't want to talk about anything that matters and try to make hay out of horseshit to hurt the Conservatives in the polls. Such is the utter worthlessness and irrelevance of the Libranos.

And don't forget... nothing we know so far is probative; nothing would be considered by a judge as worthy of being heard as a case. Hearsay evidence is all we have coming from Mrs. Cadman, by the way, and hearsay is inadmissible as evidence.

So, apparently the vote on the budget is tonight. Interesting co-inkydink, about the libel suit and the fact the three opps won't bring it down... Now, question, can the government bring itself down on its own budget? As in, "gee, Stuphanie, you're going to the polls whether you like it or not. See if you can fit some campaigning in between court appearances. Btw, there's a court order blackout on Cadscam while I sue your ass off...."

The author was on Channel 139 Atlantic TV this afternoon and it appeared he really didn't want to talk about it. The interviewer tried his best to get the "juice on Mr. Harper" but he just wanted to speak about Mr. Cadman as a great guy and things he said they talked about that Mr. Cadman did when he was young. I think he "put" that part about the PM in just to sell the book. These tidbits which happens to damage a person's reputation was just to get interest to sell the book.

Skip @ 5.20 Dis is not fair. Do you tink it's IZZY to apologize?"

What a fubn day it is! :-) And I still got to do a lot of work.

A funny thing happened on the way to vote for the Puffin budget ammendment - the Puffins got lost!!

Mercer said it best:

Liberals backing down and loving it.

I know I'm being petty but it's nice to see a Conservative use the Civil Justice System against a Liberal for a change. It seems as if the Liberals sue anything that moves, once offended. What isn't libel in their addled brains, it's nice to see a Conservative use the system for a change.

Gus @5.54 As someone who didn't disparage her, I can say that I am still ambivalent. Personally, I suspect she was jus' talkin' to the moron "author" who didn't understand fact-checking. And possibly lines of communication were confused. I do not know how smart the Cadman clan is. This is all hearsay and doesn't stand in court. In response to the libel suit, the liebrals will need to produce positive evidence to support their case. Of course, they don't. This was a brilliant move by PMSH, no matter what the CBC, Red Star or Globe say.

The "meme for today" for these folks appears to be "LIBEL CHILL". Ha! Luv it! :-) Really, it's "LIBERAL CHILL". You know, when things go cold and sweaty, when you start to hear your heart pounding and breathing gets deeper and deeper and somehow you cannot expel the CO2 fast enough.

I call it being on the panic ladder.

Janke has an interesting take on this ..... kind of political electronic warfare . Angry in the Great White North .

Maz2 @6.02
Quote:

"Harper's Conservatives are very well organized, have lots of money and are politically ruthless in pursuit of their objectives.":

And of course the liberals aren't? Ah, those evil, ruthless conservatives.

Thing is, the current liebrals are not only without ruth, but also incontinent, or is that incompetent?

Kate, if it goes on like this, you may hit eight million on this thread alone :-)

ET

"Cadman refused the offer"

There is only hearsay that here was even "an offer" and all participants in the "meeting" have said there wasn't "an offer".

I know we are on the same side politically, but one should always be careful (in any activity) of accidentaly buying into the other side's propaganda, or mindset.

It is the Liebrals who are saying there was "an offer" with significance. The Cadman clan are just saying that Cadman said such and such. They haven't said what else he said, or didn't say, or what state he was in when he, reportedly by them, said it.

Just out of curiosity, what was Cadman's estate?

From Angry: "Libel me on your website? Right then. Give us all your computers and cell phones.

And what about Stephane Dion? I wonder if he is fielding phone calls from Liberals who know they were mentioned in an email or in a phone call, and want to know exactly what Stephane Dion is going to do to keep their email archives and BlackBerries from being laid out in front of Conservative Party lawyers."
...-

Here's IncomeTrustMeScotty Brison:

"U Happy?"

"Scott Brison's leadership race hindered by income trust Blackberry message"
http://zone.artizans.com/product.htm?pid=308486

"only seven Liberals turned out for the vote."

It's a Galloway-Dunn report: Gloria, Gloriaaaa, Glory, Gloriyaaa, Glory, Gloria ...-

Harper government survives key budget vote
http://tinyurl.com/2knr7o

Citoyen Dion said:
“I said over months, many times every day, that we'll support the budget or we'll not vote against the budget to a point to make the government falling down if the budget is not detrimental to Canadians too much,”
Translation, please?

Maz2 @ 8.29

"we'll support the budget or we'll not vote against the budget to a point to make the government falling down "

It is izzy to make de guvernment falling down; much arder to keep eet upping.

(Sorry, couldn't fit "peeples" into that)

I sense an Al Dione moment coming on. "An Inconvenient Steve"

It is two izzy to be iggy.

"A Liberal Party statement issued Monday accused the Conservatives of using libel chill to stifle the debate that has gripped Parliament Hill since last week."

Pulled from the mop and pail(globe and mail) article.

Someone tell me why this is completely false. Parliament is immune from "libel chill".

On CBC Radio One,

4:20 PM PST, Kady O'Malley [Macleans], did a pro Dion Liberal spin talk that was so offensive, I almost couldn*t believe it was happening.

Annoyed, I wrote an Email to Maclean*s. Do you think my note was too strong? . . .

How can Macleans allow Kady O'malley wildcard to act as spin agent for Dion and the Liberals regarding the Cadman Issue?

Is she a Liberal paid spin artist? Where is the balance? Do CBC and Macleans conspire to damage the Conservative Party and PM Harper?

Disgusting. Outrageous. Criminal in fact.

Would a lawsuit against Macleans as co-conspirator with the LPC in character assassination be logical? Certainly!= TG
====================== CBC Radio One

CBC Television, . . .

EBD at March 3, 2008 5:45 PM . . . wrote . .

Get this: Save for a brief interregnum consisting of Zytaruk talking, Zytaruk's book -- its name, its cover -- was displayed onscreen for over a minute and a half straight. That's waaay longer than it sounds, when you actually watch the news report.

Yikes. And if you actually read the part of the book that is the source of the report, and realize that the CBC's *exclusive* libel comes from such a book, CBC's ** news ** coverage of this could end up being far more significant than the Krista Erickson incident.

The CBC's revolting Lib-proxy entitlement is starting to sound like a death-rattle. If the CBC's producers and reporters continue to air unprovable allegations against the Conservatives as top news stories, they are going to find their asses sued off the air in a class action lawsuit by Conservative voters fed up with their blatantly partisan, anti-democratic campaigning.

Or maybe CBC will show their balance instead by broadcasting as top news stories unprovable, second-hand, hearsay innuendo-libels against Chretien or Martin or Dion.
============================ EBD, great! Exactly!

Sue both the CBC and Macleans... Co-conspirators. = TG

On the National, Boag inferred that Harper is a bully by making this the lead of his report on today's developments...

"Parliamentary researchers"? Boag says, "cannot find another example of a sitting prime minister threatening the leader of the opposition with a lawsuit."

Boag infers that because there is no precedent that therefore Harper's threat to sue is wrong. But if there were previous examples, wouldn't one of them have been a first? Isn't that how precedents are created? But no, because it's Harper threatening it, Boag infers, it's wrong and heavy-handed. He attempts in his report to make Dion, Ignatieff, Goodale and The LPC the victims of bullying tactics.

Also from Boag...

"This is what the prime minister says is libelous and defamatory [images shown of the Liberals' website], statements about bribery that have been on the Liberal website for the past few days, allegations the prime minister knew about a million dollar insurance policy offered in return for the vote of the late Chuck Cadman, an independent MP".

The problem with Boag's "reporting" (really nothing more than an attempt to mitigate damage against the LPC) is that as he uses the term "allegations", the image shown is the Liberal's webpage are the words "Harper Knew of Conservative Bribery."

That's not an allegation made, Keith. That's written as a statement of fact, and thus libelous.

Irony is they are willing to repeat the libel by showing it but pixelate the Mohammed cartoons.

I'm just saying.....

Exactly, Patrick. Boag's tone in saying that a sitting prime minister has never threatened the leader of the opposition more than suggested that Harper is being ridiculous. Perhaps Boag should have noted instead that "never before has an opposition leader made absolutely false, viciously libelous accusations against a sitting prime minister without a shred of evidence."

The Liberals and the CBC should not be considered separate entities anymore. Absolutely disgusting.

And did you notice Boag's dismissively terse, contemptuous tone when he mentioned Dona Cadman's statement suggesting Harper had nothing to do with it?

As for CBC putting the words "Harper knew of Conservative bribery" onscreen in their national news report, maybe next time they can just get a non-CBC employee to hold up libelous statement on cue cards behind a silent reporter. I'm sure that will protect them from legal action.

Incroyable.

No way Grits that stupid - to continue using defence of truth. I believe it is a matter of parliamentary privilege. Do the statements repeated accurately quote the Hansard? If not, then no parliamentary privilege exists for statements on website; the story itself was dressed up to look like news story, rather than say, a press release; and oh yeah, that "Harper KNEW about BRIBERY - that's what could convict them).

Grits should argue everything is a misunderstanding (oh, sorry, just repeating Dion statements in HofC). Grits, unless something way out there nobody knows about, comitting political suicide with lawsuit, and I get impression Harper not bluffing at all.

Grits took a last ditch meeting with Chuck Cadman, which everybody now knows did not have his blessing, or presumably, authority, and tried to link Harper directly as part of a bribery conspiracy. Then they're suprised they get sued.

Libs will hang on to "oh, no there's something there," for a couple more days with subsequent mea culpa, then everybody makes nice again (right).

Looks to me as though the CBC Liberal spin agents are beginning to circle the wagons.

Oliver Owl and Boag especially seem extremely nervous and uneasy.

Watching the Owl*s terror gaze shift sideways off camera while he repeats the scripted Liberal slant is very gripping. One waits for something to go bang behind the camera.

Have they been informed that a majority PC government could spell the dis-banding or privatizing of the sprawling CBC machine? = TG

If harper knowing about bribery is a criminal act,would that former prime minister who wrote the foreword knowing about bribery and doing nothing not also be a crime? Or is in bad taste to go after a former prime minister?

RW - I thought about the change to "izzy" immediately after I hit the post button :) :(

There's enough ammunition for SDA'rs to go after the CBC (and any other talking (but empty) head. Start writing letters, copies to the hill...

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Nice Post on A GM thread

k h from Canada writes: to all liberal voters and supporters, do you remember the following:

1)Chretien canceling helicopter contract : cost to taxpayer= 600 million in breach of contract
2) payment of 150 million to HP computers for purchases unaccountable
during 2004
3) human resources audit revealling millions unaccounted for
4) 55 million grant to Irvng ships for unknown reason
5) liberal campaign workers fast tracked thru immigration
6) chretien promise to get rid of GST
7) ADSCAM

8) Cadman ensuring his family's financial security by voting to prolong the govt of the party responsible for 1 to 7

The tories arent perfect but they are closer to it than the liberals

92 other Liberal scam rip-offs at . . .

http://scamslist.blog.com/

200 Liberal scams at . . .

http://bendgovernment.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_archive.html

How soon they forget. = TG

92 other Liberal scam rip-offs at . . .

scamslist.blog.com/

200 Liberal scams at . . .

http://bendgovernment.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_archive.html

How soon they forget. = TG

If someone publishes a libelous statement made by someone else that is the subject of a lawsuit, couldn't the publisher of that libelous statement be ADDED to the lawsuit? i.e. CBC and Keith Boag's demonstration/publication of the libelous headline?

Nah...probably not. A shame though...it would have been a hoot for PMSH to add the CBC to the lawsuit!

eyeore,

They can, but it depends on the form of the statement. I point you to the National Posts recent apology re Warman. Printing something as fact becasue someone else has said it is dangerous. You need to print unproven things as quotes from someone else or as an allegation.

Some consider it weasal wrods, I think it is good practice and good manners. As I said there was a time when parliamentarians went to great lengths to keep unoproven stuff inside the house. Of course they did it partially for legal reasons but I also think it was the way things got done. You just didnt slime someone for no reason....at that time it hurt you more than the others.

Now we live in a time of daily conspiracy, where people are willing to say and believe anything. Its nice to see some bloggers spend time trying to confirm things but many of them fail even the most rudimentary tests, making them gossip mongers (yes Jason this means you)

I think some of it comes form basic decency and willingness to call bullshit on things. When something doesnt fully add up these bloggers, Kate, Janke, Taylor, Brock...spend the time to confirm check and ensure there is a consistent and logical thread or chain of evidence.

Thise on the left tend to fly off the handle, generally letting political bloodlust get in their way.

Reporters...well they are supposed to have editors to hold them back. However the Krista Erikson affair shows that there is a willingness, perhaps eagerness to co-operate with the political arm....ethics who needs ethics, I need a story so I can get the next big assignement, or a guest spot anchoring the National, making a million bucks reading cue cards (sheesh where is the value)

Sorry for the rant, but your post reminded me how much public discourse has fallen and why. Part of it is our own fault for not demanding more.

Cherniaks #1 "Unanswered Question":

"1) Is the Conservative Party paying for Stephen Harper's lawsuit against the opposition?"

Why would anyone think they'd get any fact right when things in the press release are unknown?

Stephan,

That*s an excellent rant.

What people seem to forget is that when people work hard to verufy facts and do their job properly . . . Editors included, then it makes life more worthwhile for all of us.

I remember a time when what you read in the National Post was almost always a reflection of the truth.

And the NPost is Canada*s best, yet today there seem to be more emotional pieces that reflect opinion far more than * real news*.

I want to see that trend reversed. = TG

The liberals will meet, before QP, with Pat Martin to discuss bringing the Cadman affair to the ethics committee. What will the bribe be for Pat Martin to fold. Maybe a promise not to run a liberal candidate against him.
Have you noticed how many times the initials PM have been used in who did,said,thought, offered, met with, etc.
PM at the time could be Paul Martin, Prime Minister, PMPM, or Pat Martin. Maybe it refers to Preston Manning.
If a Prime Minister met with Mrs Cadman, it would be Paul Martin.
PMSH met with her to pay a curtesy call, on the death of her husband. He was opposition leader then. Why would he meet with her, after Chuck's death to offer a bribe.
Time lines don't match up.
When did Chuck return to Ottawa for the vote.
Where did Paul Martin meet with them. One report says at his home-in BC- and later that night met with Belinda in Ottawa. Is that possible.
Better get some travel logs and phone records to get the dates straight.