A bill to strip the WCB of its barley marketing status will be introduced Monday.
DrD in the comments - "I chose "wit", because, as it is often said: "A bun is the lowest form of wheat.". However, I stress that you should not allow this to influence your vote. Decide carefully.
Update: According to 650 CKOM, there was a bit of jostling at the legislature among farmers in attendance. About 80% of those there were lending support to ending the monopoly.
Update 2: Ritz's statement is up at Agriville
Great to see, but will it be in place for the crop year starting Aug 1? This will NOT get an easy ride through parlaiment.
Posted by: Woodporter at February 29, 2008 4:58 PMHahahahahahaha. So funny. I mean, people with different accents. Why can't they all be like us? You know, people without accents.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Posted by: Peter D at February 29, 2008 5:00 PMHey, um, can we have also have a bill to strip Rona Ambrose of her clothing? And Ruby Dhalla, too.
(See? I'm non-partisan!)
Posted by: Sean at February 29, 2008 5:16 PMI like a woman in a "power suit", CDN's only!
Posted by: puddin and pie at February 29, 2008 5:26 PMSorry, I didn't see this topic up and I posted about this in Reader's Tips.
Unless this is brought in as a matter of confidence it will most certainly be voted down.
That's why I'm convinced that it will be introduced as a confidence motion which will force the Liberals to look like the total idiots that they are and support the Government or vote against and force the election that they can't afford, don't want, and can't win.
Ain't life grand?....PMSH wins again!!
Posted by: clair voyant at February 29, 2008 5:26 PMDAT HIS NOTTT FARE. Da Canhadian whit bort his for hall the westirn farmers.:Borat Dion.
Posted by: cal2 at February 29, 2008 5:27 PMPeter D, I checked out your site. I now feel dumber for having chosen to read it.
You neo-coms are all alike.
Posted by: grok at February 29, 2008 5:30 PMI chose "wit", because, as it is often said: "A bun is the lowest form of wheat."
Posted by: DrD at February 29, 2008 5:47 PMmake the confidence motion to either rid Canada of this socialist legacy or impose it on ALL the Provinces.
Your call Steffi
Posted by: Fred at February 29, 2008 5:57 PM"Why can't they all be like us? You know, people without accents."
What are you talking about? My American friends make fun of my accent all of the time. :)
Posted by: Kate at February 29, 2008 5:58 PMit is very hizzy, da canhandian whit bort will be represent hall the farmmers hove canada, it wil represent the farmarss hove K bec han ontario of the same prices hove the west less frate , if hall canhadien cannot be represent equally then none hat hall. Borat Dion.
dis harper regime gobermint will come roun liberal way whore by colly we will run away
I would like to hear M. Dion mispronounce the word "canola" or, better yet, the former name of this grain: "rep-sid". Also, can we hear him discuss "moose-turd" and "bok-wit"? Please!
Posted by: felis corpulentis at February 29, 2008 6:24 PMIf the Liberals help the farmers any more, there will be no farmers!!!!!!!
Information from Statistics Canada
In 1991 the Conservatives introduced the
Farm Income Protection Act which states:
“ the program should encourage the
long-term social and economic sustainability
of farm families and communities; “.
In Canada for the period 1991 to 1996
> decline in the number of farms- 3,495
> decline in the farm population- 14,490
> decline in the rural population- 5,808
Canada under the Liberals from 1996 to 2001
> decline in the number of farms- 29,625
> decline in the farm population- 124,275
> decline in the rural population- 282,758
Total decline in farms 1986 to 2006- 63,716
i voted barely.
and it is so encouraging to see a government with the smarts enough to recuse (excuse) itself from the agricultural arena and encourage a free and open marketplace.
on the subjects of accents i can only recommend monthy python. i've a pretty good seat and can see both sides of the coin. you can not imagine the lampooning our fearless leader pmsh gets in the french media. his french is recognised as a sincere attempt to be polite but ridiculed nonetheless. goes with the territory. dats hall.
Posted by: johnnyonline at February 29, 2008 6:36 PMHalf-wit is not on the list.
Posted by: Brent Weston at February 29, 2008 7:03 PM"Barley", 'cause I'm not sure Stephanie can pronounce the word properly.
If he, however does, well, let's clap our hands for Stephanie!
Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at February 29, 2008 7:10 PMHere's my poll, one that's much trickier.
Posted by: Sigivald at February 29, 2008 7:17 PMI voted "leybar" because I know Stephane is a "REHO' to many Canadians.
Posted by: Joe Molnar at February 29, 2008 7:38 PMCanada under the Liberals from 1996 to 2001
> decline in the number of farms- 29,625
> decline in the farm population- 124,275
> decline in the rural population- 282,758
While the cultivated acreage remains the same.
http://www.cfa-fca.ca/pages/index.php?main_id=74
That's what you call productivity gains. Not to mention the same subsidy levels for fewer freeloaders or more swill per face in the trough.
Let me guess how this will turn out. Jackass Layton will pull out of his ass some half baked remark about how much we need the wheat board, but not a word about bringing Ontario farmers under its jurisdiction (Lorne Calvert nods like a good little sock puppet). Next Stephie Dion will strut and squawk about how the Liberals will not tolerate this and "we whil bring dowan da gubmunt." In the end, the confidence vote will pass, PMSH wins again, and the Liberals look like spineless buffoons (again).
We might as well have a Conservative majority for as much of an opposition Larry, Moe, and Curly (aka Stephane, Jack, and Gilles) provide for us.
Posted by: noddyrules at February 29, 2008 8:41 PM Public (servant) sector employment
Employment Wages & Salaries
Numbers in Dollars ($) Population
Year 2,006 2,006 2,006
B.C. 370,310 17,788,235,000 4,113,487
Alta. 296,688 14,678,459,000 3,290,350
Sask. 136,980 5,388,981,000 968,157
Man. 151,299 6,407,348,000 1,148,401
Ont. 1,132,287 58,388,150,000 12,160,282
Que. 755,782 34,477,097,000 7,546,131
N.B. 82,478 3,753,067,000 729,997
N.S. 119,181 5,238,078,000 913,462
P.E.I.16,407 760,944,000 135,851
N.L. 57,039 2,625,103,000 505,469
Y.T. 5,502 352,527,000 30,372
N.W.T.8,596 592,962,000 41,464
Nvt. 5,808 379,339,000 29,474
Total 3,138,357 150,830,290,000 31,612,897
Canada3,142,270 151,186,092,000 31,612,897
Dollars ($) 151,186,092,000
Employment No. 3,142,270
($) per Employee $48,113.65
Total Number
Public Emloyees 3,142,270
Canada Population 31,612,897
%Public Employee 9.94%
Posted by: BJ at February 29, 2008 9:04 PM
Site is crap for retaining spacing
Posted by: BJ at February 29, 2008 9:06 PM Public (servant) sector employment
Employment Wages & Salaries
Numbers in Dollars ($) Population
Year 2,006 2,006 2,006
B.C. 370,310 17,788,235,000 4,113,487
Alta. 296,688 14,678,459,000 3,290,350
Sask. 136,980 5,388,981,000 968,157
Man. 151,299 6,407,348,000 1,148,401
Ont. 1,132,287 58,388,150,000 12,160,282
Que. 755,782 34,477,097,000 7,546,131
N.B. 82,478 3,753,067,000 729,997
N.S. 119,181 5,238,078,000 913,462
P.E.I.16,407 760,944,000 135,851
N.L. 57,039 2,625,103,000 505,469
Y.T. 5,502 352,527,000 30,372
N.W.T.8,596 592,962,000 41,464
Nvt. 5,808 379,339,000 29,474
Total 3,138,357 150,830,290,000 31,612,897
Canada3,142,270 151,186,092,000 31,612,897
Dollars ($) 151,186,092,000
Employment No. 3,142,270
($) per Employee $48,113.65
Total Number
Public Emloyees 3,142,270
Canada Population 31,612,897
%Public Employee 9.94%
Lets try again
-Public (servant) sector employment
-Employment--Wages & Salaries--
-Numbers----in Dollars ($)---Population
Year--2,006-------2,006----------2,006
--------#----------$-----------#
B.C.-370,310---17,788,235,000---4,113,487
Alta.-296,688---14,678,459,000---3,290,350
Sask.-136,980---5,388,981,000 ---968,157
Man.-151,299---6,407,348,000---1,148,401
Ont.-1,132,287---58,388,150,000---12,160,282
Que.-755,782---34,477,097,000 ---7,546,131
N.B.-82,478---3,753,067,000---729,997
N.S.-119,181---5,238,078,000---913,462
P.E.I.-16,407---760,944,000---135,851
N.L.-57,039---2,625,103,000---505,469
Y.T.-5,502---352,527,000---30,372
N.W.T.-8,596---592,962,000--- 41,464
Nvt.-5,808---379,339,000---29,474
Total-3,138,357---150,830,290,000---31,612,897
Canada-3,142,270--151,186,092,000--31,612,897
Dollars ($)----151,186,092,000
Employment No.---3,142,270
($) per Employee--$48,113.65
Total Number
Public Emloyees-----3,142,270
Canada Population--31,612,897
%Public Employee-----9.94%
Last Try
So will this issue take Steffi to his wit's end?
Posted by: Bernie at February 29, 2008 9:57 PMI really want to hear Dion selling wit control.
Posted by: Polly at February 29, 2008 10:20 PMHe might go for a dual marketing system; half-wit control.
Posted by: Bernie at February 29, 2008 10:48 PMI was there almost no jostling maybe one shove but, I never saw it
I did see a couple young farmers shout down this OLd NFU type Saying that this wasn't his fight, as he sold the farm years ago and would likely be dead in less than five years.
quite mean. if you ask me but I do admire their passion.
Also Rod Flamen needs new business cards depending on the reporter he was either a farmer, CWB director don't know if he mentioned Liberal Candidate.
Actually, BJ, it has nothing to do with SDA at all; it is HTML itself that does not render fixed-width font spacing ~ unless you explicitly ask for it. Try something like this:
B.C. 370,310 17,788,235,000 4,113,487Posted by: Vitruvius at March 1, 2008 12:09 AM
Alta. 296,688 14,678,459,000 3,290,350
...
Total 3,138,357 150,830,290,000 31,612,897
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Peter D: It's just all fun and games with you isn't it, always seeing the bright,positive,optimistic side of things........sheesh, you need to find a happy place sir.
Posted by: bob at March 1, 2008 12:11 AMThis has been in the works for some time - quite possibly before the courts defeated the non-legislated approach and perhaps even before the non-legislated approach was attempted.
It will be a confidence motion and it will pass in time for this year's harvest. The opposition does not want an election founded on the defeat of a bill that was overwhelmingy supported by the producers of the commodity.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
Winston Churchill (but you knew that already)
so there is a marketing board. why the hell don't the farmers demand the highest price in the market for their product? if the wbc won't pay the price that ontario and quebec are getting sue the bastards. also sue the feds.
Posted by: old white guy at March 1, 2008 7:28 AMBarley people barley!! Our brewers are being gouged by the malters who are being gouged by the marketers and our craft beer industry is in danger...can the $5 pint be far off??
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 1, 2008 8:44 AM CTV NewsNet has had several current news features with the word "fallout" in the story banner title. Recently, they ran this one "Barley Bill" Didn't watch the item but was left wondering, on the subject of accents,if it was in reference to Hillary? or, the whatever anniversary of the tune "won't you come home Bill Barley?" anyone?
The whole CWB thingy could be solved more easily and without voting for or against anything simply by asking the Justice Department to review the CWB legislation to bring it in line with the Charter of Rights, ie specifically a farmer's right to 'liberty', or 'freedom from harsh domination'.
All discriminatory language would be removed and the CWB would then become a voluntary grain pooling organization as it was originally.
I have to laugh at the SavemyCWB guys who don't even know the real history of the compulsory CWB.
Like they absolutely do not know that those big, bad Americans, that they depise so much with CWB help, actually tried to get the CWB to raise their wheat selling price and the CWB refused.
The CWB stated that they sold CHEAP WHEAT as an EXPORT SUBSIDY to other nations.
So now the sale of cheap grain to Algeria last year is more easily understood as an unoffical export subsidy to Algeria.
And then Algeria would be free to return the favor by buying Canadian goods from one of the provinces, perferably a Liberal-voting, French-speaking one.
Grain marketing in Canada is 80% politics, 3% grain markets, and 20% politics. heh.
Ohh what a tangled web we weave under the cloak of secrecy in Winterpeg.
Ah, making fun of someone because of his accent. Classy, as always.
Posted by: RJS at March 1, 2008 10:55 AMrockyt, I agree that the CWB legislation should be reviewed by the Justice Department. However, the courts have already found that the legislation is in line with the Charter. It is the application of the Act by the CWB that is in violation. The Act does not tell the CWB to discriminate against Prairie farmers by denying export licences that are freely handed out to eastern farmers. The Winnipeg bureaucrats just do that on their own, and it is way past time to demand a stop to it. The Conservatives have the authority to order an end to this autrocious discrimination - I don't understand why we don't even ask.
Posted by: John at March 1, 2008 11:56 AMRight John, but from I've read, all the previous court cases involving the CWB were far too specific concerning the Charter, making it easy for them to ignore it.
By having the Justice dept go thru it, they would have to clean all of the CWB legislation up at once, without regard to specific points.
Did you know that in most other civilized countries, when they enact a charter of rights, it is an obligation for all the govts (feds and states) in the country to comb thru their legislation to make sure it fits the requirements of their charter of rights?
Now why did this country miss doing exactly that?
Can you say screw Crooked Liberal job?
In fact, the clever Liberals/CWB have been only too happy to get lower Liberal court rulings in their favour because they know that if the present day Supreme Court had to rule on the CWB legislation, it would be tossed out immediately.
And the reason is because, when the forced confiscation (lets not kid ourselves because that is what it is) part of the legislation comes up, 11 out 13 judges Canadian already ruled against this exact power when it was setup after WW2.
Including 5 of the 7 SCoC judges at the time.
Even the CWB itself at the time did not think that it was legal to operate the way the Minister of Everything, CD Howe, wanted to do it.
Since justice works on precedence, a new SCoC decision could hardly go against the previous majority against the legislation.
And definitely could not go against the Crooked Liberal Charter of Rights without looking like complete morons.
They would be laughed out the country, because a Charter of Rights is there to protect individual citizens from arbitrary, unjust and despotic government actions by fools like Rod Flaman.
Most people know nothing about this previous case.
Free the Western farmers.
rocky, What case are you referring to? The two landmark (Supreme Court) cases are Murphy in 1958 and Sommerville in 1972. From Murphy: CWB Act is valid trade and Commerce legislation. (and Part III is VOLUNTARY selling to the CWB by designated area farmers)
Sommerville ruled that farmer grain is agriculture and therefore outside the trade and Commerce legislation.
Then about 10 years ago the Archibald case challenged the CWB legislation under the Charter. This case was discussed in Canadian Egg Marketing Agency v. Richardson, [1998], in which the Supreme Court devoted several pages to the CWB Act regarding Section 6 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Federal Court Of Appeal then adopted all this guidance from the Supreme Court in “Archibald”. However, there was a screw up. In the CEMA case, the Supreme Court stated at paragraph 84:
“The Canadian Wheat Board Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. C-24, which applies only to Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and a part of British Columbia, …”
However, the licencing Part IV of the CWB Act is NATIONAL LEGISLATION, and so therefore, the Supreme Court was either only considering the Parts of the CWB Act which in fact are limited to the designated area, or if they included Part IV, then their obiter dictum comments were flawed by the incorrect premise that Part IV applies only to the Designated Area. In either case this does not provide a valid authority regarding Part IV analysis.
Posted by: John at March 1, 2008 2:11 PMFree the Western farmers.
Free the Canadian taxpayers from the freeloading Western farmers.
Posted by: manny at March 1, 2008 3:00 PMHere are some sections of faxes sent to lawyers dealing with the pooling co-ops and there structure and other inter-provincial relations which you may not have read.
The Queen (Can.) v. Saskatchewan Wheat Pool, [1983] 1 S.C.R. 205
Reference Re Canada Assistance Plan (B.C.), [1991] 2 S.C.R. 525
The Canadian Wheat Board Act has no bearing in this case and is only used by the Crown as a
misdirection to avoid punitive damages. The FIPA and NISA Agreement refer to the Income Tax Act not the CWB Act. Some of the previous cases that would not help the Crowns CWB Act argument dealing with unlawful taxes verses contractual fees for service related to the issue of Boards and other pooling co-op's setup to equalize sales of producers to exporters and processors are:
Lawson v. Interior Tree Fruit and Vegetables Committee of Direction, [1931] S.C.R. 357
Re The Farm Products Marketing Act, [1957] S.C.R. 198
Agricultural Products Marketing, [1978] 2 S.C.R. 1198
Actually John, it was the Nolan case which is hidden behind a wall of bricks and mortar in Canada, and hard to find.
It's in the book THE CAPTIVE COURT.
Very interesting to say the least.
The original power over grain was contained in the War Measures Act during the War.
The Feds tried to transfer the expropriation power to peace time thru the National Emergency Transition Powers Act, 1945.
The horse that didn't fly was the 'appropriation, control, forfeiture and disposition of property' in peace time.
The feds were taken to court over unlawfully seizing 40,000 bu of barley.
11 of 13 judges ruled against the feds/CWB.
"Four judgements were rendered in which it was clear that the judges disapproved of the exercise of power by the (federal) government to seize private property."
..........
'With respect to the government action, the word 'astonishing' appeared in the judgements.
........
Expropriation of private property by the state, without provision for an adjusted or arbitrated compensation, is so alien to Canadians....."
Notice it says 'adjusted or arbitrated' compensation.
The present CWB does not bargain over compensation for your grain.
It gives you a take it or stuff it price.
And they gloat about it.
And there is no way to get away from them, so it is the same as confiscation which the court has clearly ruled was illegal in peace time Canada.
Lots of stories about the CWB to come out soon.
Posted by: rockyt at March 1, 2008 3:48 PMHey Manny, did you enjoy your subsidized breakfest and your subsidized lunch today?
Canadians pay the lowest food prices in the western world, less than 10% of total.
Ever wonder why, big boy?
Posted by: rockyt at March 1, 2008 3:54 PMHey BJ, do you have/know the court case where the CWB took the 2 organic Sask wheat growers to court over them selling about 20,000 bu of organic wheat to a flour mill in BC?
I think about late 60s, early 70s.
I remember it happened but can't find anything on it.
Thanx
Posted by: rockyt at March 1, 2008 4:00 PMBJ Can only access the BC case and I can't see any relevance to the CWB. I think I'm familiar with the Sask wheat Pool case which ruled that when a producer sells wheat to an elevator, the ownership goes to the CWB and not the grain company. (until they buy from the CWB)
Rocky, I'm familiar with the Nolan case. Under the transition from wartime Act, the Supreme court ruled that "under the guise of maintaining, controlling and regulating prices, the Governor in Council cannot compulsorily appropriate property and arbitrarily fix the compensation to be paid. The exercise of such powers would be beyond the authority conferred by statute."
Problem is, the CWB then appealed to the privy Council of England. And Canada had just made an agreement to sell cheap grain to England. Any guesses as to the unanimous "decision" of the Privy Council?
Posted by: John at March 1, 2008 4:32 PMAh John, but do you know why the Privy ?Council ruled that way?
Posted by: rockyt at March 1, 2008 4:41 PMRe Confiscation:
Bad news - allowed in Canada but only if clearly stated in Statute. Example: We are taking Rocky's land and we are not going to pay anything for it.
Good news - despite the tough sounding talk in the CWB Act, there is no authorization of confiscation of producer's grain. The real control is over the elevators declared as works for the benefit of Canada.
I have never heard of the organic wheat charges.
Posted by: John at March 1, 2008 4:43 PMIn my opinion it was a blatant political ruling by the Privy Council.
Posted by: John at March 1, 2008 4:45 PMYes it was political payback.
The UK owed the federal Liberals a favour for being able to buy subsidized wheat from the CWB.
I never for the the life of me understood how saint Jimmy Gardner from Sask could have ever agreed to giving the UK 320 million bu of wheat for 77 cents/bu.
And then I realized that he probably wasn't told by the Minister of Everything, or PM King, that they had intentionally gave the wheat to the UK for the firesale price.
And there was no restriction about the UK reselling that same cheap wheat either, for maybe $3.00 like Argentina was selling theirs for.
The UK then would buy Ont/Que products with the proceeds. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
The Privy Council had no choice but to side with the Liberals given their previous largess to the UK, which was about $5 billion plus in todays money.
The crooked Liberals didn't even care that it made their own new Supreme Court of Canada look like fools, as long as they got the power.
Try www.canlii.com for court cases. Cases deal with Federal/Provincial jurisdiction over legislation and control over inter-provincial movement of commodities. Who lords over the farmers commodities. Provinces or federal government. There are a number of these inter-provincial cases between the crowns for control of the provinces farmers commodities.
Renova Holdings are Merchants current CWB license fee cases which we were ahead of, then behind, then ahead ????
BJ, I have been to canlii.com but they don't have all the older stuff in there.
Trying to go thru the present court system doesn't cut it becasue they have these previous erroneous judgements to fall back on.
Cartesian logic.
That's why all federal legislation needs to be sent thru the Justice dept and be brought up to date with repsect to the Charter of Rights.
New game called CWB Snooker.
Scenario 1)
The CWB is part of the federal govt.
Then all govt depts and legislation has to be changed to fall within the Charter.
No maybes, ifs, or buts.
A govt cannot pass legislation and then ignore it because it doesn't like it.
Morally bankrupt crooked Liberals do it without question, but the CPC people should not.
Farmers get freedom to market both wheat and barley.
Scenario 2)
The CWB is not a govt agency.
(This is Sask Ritters latest joke)
Being a private co-op means that there has to method for them to get members to vote on their new coop.
In Quebec, co-ops had to have over 60% to form.
Anybody still think that the CWB would get a 60% approval to reconstitute itself as a standalone co-op?
Farmers vote 51%, if they are lucky, to form new CWB coop. Defeated.
Farmers get freedom of choice to sell their own grain.
CWB Snookered. The CWB is deadmeat.
Thanks for tip on Canlii, I got the first one I tried but don't have time to read it yet.
Posted by: John at March 1, 2008 5:33 PMThe first thing that must be looked at with a province's commodities, resources, energy and etc., is who has the final jurisdiction. CWB is a federal policy over only B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Is it a federal only money bill? Is it international and effects international trade? Is it valid under the Constitution and an individuals livelihood ability in a province. There are jurisdiction cases from tele-communications to power.
Posted by: BJ at March 1, 2008 6:26 PMIn Australia the farmers board may have been operating outside the law. Then can you be forced into guilt by association once there is known wrongful conduct? Should you participate? Is an Act valid that may force you into participating in wrongful coduct once known? Can a court under the Constitution force you to participate? These are all interesting questions which came to light in Australia.
Posted by: BJ at March 1, 2008 6:52 PMBJ, the purpose of a Charter of Rights is to protect individuals from harsh and arbitrary actions of a govt, including discrimination.
The Charter is designed to apply specifically to the relationship between govts and individuals.
Not private relationships or business relationships.
Charter of Rights:
Section 7)
"Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."
The CWB/State has the legal burden of proving that its legislation or actions are justified.
They can't just say, well its in the Trade and Commerce legislation so we can do this to the farmers.
They have to prove that there is a 'pressing and substantial reason' for them to confiscate a farmers grain and sell it for them.
Or prove the need to micromanage western Canada's grain industry.
Heh, the feds don't even control the production of uberdangerous uranium anymore and they are going to claim that control of wheat and barley is a 'pressing and substantial' reason to take our grain!
That's a good one.
According to Sec 32, the Charter applies to federal, provincial, and territorial legislatures and govts. Thus, the Charter protects individuals from violations of their human rights and fundamental freedoms by govt.
"Liberty
1) Freedom from oppression, tyranny, or harsh domination.
2) Freedom from comfinement or slavery.
3) Freedom of thought or action, or exemption from forms of compulsion or indignity , regarded as a human right. " - Funk and Wagmnalls
Now the evidence.
The CWB has 'harsh domination' over Designated Area farmers.
The CWB has a policy of confinement on the ability of DA farmers to make a living as they see fit, and in doing so, prevents their right to security.
The CWB uses unjust legislation to prevent freedom of thought and actions in regards to a farmer selling his own grain.
The CWB compells DA farmers only to sell their grain to the CWB against their wishes.
These are unreasonable limitations on DA farmers which are totally unjustified in a free and democratic country.
The Canadian govt has:
- signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948.
- passed the Canadian Bill of Rights in 1960
- passed the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982.
Now its about bloody time that the big talker Liberals and NDP in Ottawa started acting like a mature country and started following their own damn legislation.
It really is not smart to do otherwise.
This is not uranium.
It is not mary jane.
It is not cocaine.
It is not Resin.
Selling grain is probably the second oldest profession in the world and anybody can do it.
As with all things, some are better than others at it.
FREEDOM ROCKS.
Hey Manny, did you enjoy your subsidized breakfest and your subsidized lunch today?
Canadians pay the lowest food prices in the western world, less than 10% of total.
Ever wonder why, big boy?
Freeloading plow jockeys certainly never subsidized my lunch. Let me guess, you're going to trot out that tired old canard about a cheap food policy. Well, newsflash, food ain't cheap and there ain't no cheap food policy. Get a real job, rocky.
Posted by: manny at March 1, 2008 9:02 PMLowest food prices in the western world at your corner store, Manny.
You didn't even know that did you!
The truth hurts, eh big boy.
Seven yrs of $3/bu wheat and only 5 months of
$10/bu wheat and Manny is crying already.
I invite the CWB to collectively hold their breath until they pass out and this all passes.
... really. and Free the western farmers.
Posted by: marc in calgary at March 1, 2008 10:27 PMSeven yrs of $3/bu wheat and only 5 months of
$10/bu wheat and Manny is crying already.
I'm talking about the thirty plus years you've been freeloading, not the price of wheat, a commodity of which I consume almost nothing. But connect the dots. What legislation constitutes this cheap food policy? Does somebody have a gun to your head, forcing you to farm?
Posted by: manny at March 1, 2008 10:28 PMSo Manny where are you moving to and getting away from high priced food?
Mexico? Honduras? Hey how about Venezuela?
I know, Cuba! Perfect for you.
You do like dilapidated 1949 chevys, don't you?
Cheaper than dirt to run and fix.
Just like the food.
Did you know that when the USSR broke up and couldn't afford to subsidize Cuba oil imports anymore, Castro had the farmers revert to using 40,000 oxen working in the fields?
Manny the corner store - the cheapest food prices in the western world.
Do you think that happens by accident?
Central planning, my boy.
You got some facts and figures to go with that blather?
Cheap food? Back it up.
Central planning? Back it up.
I'm quite willing to let the free market determine food prices. A free market that would see freeloading hypocrites like yourself who think the world owes them a living make it under their own steam.
Posted by: manny at March 2, 2008 1:12 AMHere are some facts and figures for you. You call that cheap food?
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=the+cost+of+healthy+eating+in+saskatchewan&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryCA
As I understand it, the CWB has been accused repeatedly of dumping wheat and durum and incurred penalties and tariffs for these acts. This is the complaint of the farmers that the CWB has not been getting the best price for the farmers' grain. This may be a known violation of international relations and treaties.
Part III
Equalization And Regional Disparities
36(1)(a)promoting equal opportunities for the well-being of Canadians;
(b)furthering economic development to reduce diparity in opportunities;
Manny I going to write this as slowly as I can for you to comprehend.
Canada, the land of ice and snow, has a growing season in most areas of 100 to 130 days.
Canada spends 10% of its household budget on food.
Most OECD nations and most European countries have much better climates and spend up to 20% on food.
Total coincidence, eh?
Hey, its been fun.