we shall surrender on the seas and oceans,(source) Posted by Kate at February 28, 2008 1:51 PM
we shall surrender with growing confidence and growing weakness in the air, we shall
surrender our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall surrender on the beaches,
we shall surrender on the landing grounds,
we shall surrender in the fields and in the streets,
we shall surrender in the hills;
we shall always surrender,
Allahu akbar! Allahu akbar! If that stirring speech doesn't make you want to behead a Jewish WSJ journalist based in Mumbai, you're probably a decent person -- too decent to support "Osama" Obama.
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at February 28, 2008 3:02 PMIs there a mass suicide pact happening in the U.S. that vaoters would even consider Mr. B. Hussein "Bamboozle" for President?
Posted by: Gypsy at February 28, 2008 3:05 PMThat's a really dumb post, Kate.
Posted by: John Daly at February 28, 2008 3:07 PMLike I've said: Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!
Can you say President John McCain?
Posted by: Doug at February 28, 2008 3:08 PMJohn Daly, that was a brilliant reply!
Posted by: Doug at February 28, 2008 3:09 PMHey, how come nobody ever told me about the "hidden clause" of Churchill's speech, which directly follows the more famous quote?
", and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old."
Might white of Winston to volunteer the young men of ostensibly free states - he's not talking about Bothupswana here - such as Canada and Australia to fight England's wars. The majority of Canadians back then weren't even of Anglo Saxon stock.
Posted by: fsfsafaf at February 28, 2008 3:11 PMWow…. The great leaders of days gone by are truly rolling in their graves! The enemies of freedom are belly laughing themselves sick.
Hey Obomba – why not start with cutting some of the useless government sponsored programs dealing with affirmative action costs? It embarrasses you and your country, but I suppose in the greater scheme of things you are doing exactly what you were bred to do
“Tear down this country Mr. Obomachieve”!
Hi, I'm Obama, here we are, come and get us.
Posted by: Sounder at February 28, 2008 3:14 PMWell, at least he doesn't have a hidden agenda.
Posted by: Brent Weston at February 28, 2008 3:18 PMfsf - it wasn't 'England's war'. It was a world war. Kindly get your facts and ethical values straight.
Posted by: ET at February 28, 2008 3:27 PMMy friends, Americans vote for the most charismatic person not the best qualified person with a proven track record. My friends, Americans want change. My friends, if Obama makes it to the White House they will get change. My friends, America will resemble an African nation. My friends, America will take on the characteristics of Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Angola and the Sudan.
My friends, black Americans have come a long way but they still have a long way to go!
taliban jack, bested by an amurican no less!!!!!!
Posted by: GYM at February 28, 2008 3:29 PMfsfsafaf: The majority of Canadians may not have been Anglo-Saxon, but the 1941 census shows that over half were of 'British' origin, (including Scottish, etc):
1941 Census: British 5,715,904 European, (inc French), 5,526,964
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-516-XIE/sectiona/A125_163.csv
One of the more humourous comments on the link referenced by Kate was:
I'm John McCain and I approve this message.
Obama as Churchill NOT.
Obama is a flash in the pan. The American people will soon wake up to that fact. His empty, vacuous rhetoric is catching up with him.
It's just not conceivable the American voters would want a possible President Barak Hussein Obama at this time. Will not happen.
In spite of the usual Lefty Media hype , all Obama/Clinton all the time, it'll be another Republican in the White House.
Posted by: Liz J at February 28, 2008 3:32 PM"The majority of Canadians back then weren't even of Anglo Saxon stock."
Posted by: fsfsafaf at February 28, 2008 3:11 PM
Naff off, you slimy goatf'er! My full-blooded Scottish father spent 6 years in the army during WWII, including experiences on D-Day that you can't even imagine. FYI, the German shore batteries survived the naval bombardment and shelled his regiment (Royal Winnipeg Rifles) in their landing craft.
That goes ditto for my full-blooded Ukrainian uncles from northern Saskatchewan, every one of whom who was of age served for an English king.
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at February 28, 2008 3:34 PMfsfsafaf:
Get your history straight.
Canada and Australia were at war with Germany at the time of this speech. So....
"...until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old."
Churchill meant, "we can hang on until the Yanks are in."
Posted by: Duncan at February 28, 2008 3:35 PMI noticed he seems to feel Russia is a threat. No mention of China and its weapons. Disarm with a bilateral treaty with Russia and leave China out of the deal. Great. Just great. Where do I sign?
Duncan has it right.
Posted by: Brent Weston at February 28, 2008 3:37 PMSomewhere....someone with bad intentions is rubbing their hands with glee......much like the capitulating leftwingnutsbars.
Cut the ability to defend the nation....but keep all the programs that are the saboteurs of self-reliance and personal responsibility. Is it any wonder that we are breeding a generation of pantywaists when the "government" is more interested in you suckling the teat instead of securing their country...their society..their culture.
Posted by: Ownshook at February 28, 2008 3:41 PMThis speech looks like it fell out of a time warp. When Britain, France and the US refused to believe the facts that Germany was re-arming in the Thirties it led to the Second World War. For those who will not learn from history and are doomed to repeat it, we need to learn that Obama's Utopia of a non-nuclear world is a thing of the past, pre-1930's. You cannot put the "GENIE" back in the bottle, to even consider this shows a complete lack of education and understanding of the human animal and when all is said and done that is all we are, a human (humane) animal. To ensure peace prepare for war and in that preparation make sure your enemies know full well that in the future there will be no negotiation, no Marshall Plan, no Democratic renewal, it will only be absolute destruction of the enemy. The sleeping tiger that was awakened in 1941 has been cat-napping of late, if it sleeps through this next election Western Society will pay the price, either total annihilation of all we have, or a world that we will not wish to inherit.
Posted by: Antenor at February 28, 2008 3:43 PMfsfsafaf
I’m still trying to get my head around what you could have possibly meant by -
“The majority of Canadians back then weren't even of Anglo Saxon stock”.
Canada was still very much a dominion of the British Empire during WW2 and our armed forces were an extension of the British army.
I suppose if I read your phase in one way - a better question to pose - what was the demographic makeup of the Canadian Forces at that time? I don’t know but I’d bet it was overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon heritage.
The point is mute as we like to tell our Muslim invaders daily – when you land in Canada we expect you to assimilate and abide the laws of our land or else stay home.
No different then as it now.
fsfsafaf
Hey idiot, Canada and Australia (as well as other "Empire" states not of Anglo-Saxon stock - like INDIA) were already in the f'ing war you half-wit!
And the new world he was referring to was the US.
And (like I need to mention the obvious,) the Anglo-Saxons were not the only group of people on the planet who wanted Hitler defeated - sorry you feel differently.
Posted by: Warwick at February 28, 2008 3:54 PMFurther to my earlier comments, George V and George VI (God bless them!) are (along with Victoria R. and Margaret Thatcher) the most under-estimated individuals in human history.
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at February 28, 2008 3:56 PMWhichever of the candidates manages to get elected, it will be a very close election. So -just for a moment, let's assume that Barack or Hillary get the nod. Now, zoom forward to 2012, by which time the wheels will have fallen off and in order to get re-elected they need a bunch of fresh votes. Where is there a good pool of leftist votes relatively unsullied by nasty Republican sentiment? (Hint - if you're Canadian, look at what you're standing on)
They're both already on record as wanting to re-negotiate NAFTA. Why not renegotiate it so that there are a few new stars on the flag?
If they do it early enough, Canadians, forgiving folk that they are, will have forgotten what happened and will vote for Democrats en masse in 2012, cementing the Dem's power base for years and years to come.
Jack Layton could be Washington's ambassador to Iraq.
Posted by: kakola at February 28, 2008 3:58 PMI certainly don't think Barack is cut of the same cloth as Churchill (whom the British people seem to be forgetting), but it's not because his middle name is Husseind.
As for the Cadman story, who is feeding Dion these poison pills. He looks absolutely desperate and ridiculous. Plus Cadman was obviously trying to protect his family by not helping to bring down the government - he might not have been covered by insurance if he died during the campaign and was not an M.P. I think it is disgusting to bring this story up.
Nicola Timmerman at February 28, 2008 4:31 PM -
"I think it is disgusting to bring this story up."
You should be disgusted that the cons tried to bribe a dying man for their own political gain.
There is no way this man is going to be president, I'll take bets on it. He'll be assasinated ,most likely by the Clintons. The left will have a martyr to rally around for the next 50 years and everything will be Jim-Dandy.
Posted by: bob at February 28, 2008 4:48 PM"They were found out, and those involved paid the price"
You really are living in an alternate reality!
Posted by: Warwick at February 28, 2008 4:51 PMI think it is terrible to mock Mr. Obama like that. After all he promises Hope and Change.
/Translation: He hopes you will elect him so he can take all your dollars and give you back change.
Posted by: Freedom Fan at February 28, 2008 4:51 PMHope & Change! Sounds like a hippy sit-in on a campus lawn doesn’t it? Wonder about Obamas admitted substance abuse in his youth and you don’t need to understand any further his empty slogans of communist ideals.
Ideas are good also – too bad the world is full of idealists who like to bring their delusional philosophies to bear on the lives of real people. My dream would be instead, that concrete thinkers bring concrete realities and governance to an open and free society of rational people. I didn’t even need to smoke pot to have that idea nor the peer pressure of dreamy hippies to convince me. But that of course wouldn’t wash in a socialist controlled lefty environment and becomes another idea left to the wayside……….yawn.
Well said, Knight 99.
Posted by: Freedom Fan at February 28, 2008 5:15 PMDeleted: A whole pile of crap and idiotic replies. What part of "stay on topic" do you people not understand???
Posted by: Kate at February 28, 2008 5:17 PM"All that we're sayin' is give surrender a chance"
Barrack Lennon Obama
Posted by: John West at February 28, 2008 5:17 PM"black Americans ... a long way to go!"
" Don't worry cons, the black won't rub off "
It looks like there's some spring seeding in the comments. Why should Lucy be the only one to dine at the HRC shakedown trough?
Obama's spiritual mentor, a Minister who idolizes the mega racist Farakhan, speaks.
Wonder of BO has heard this sermon ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYIZs&eurl=http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
My paternal ancestry is German, but my father and grandfather fought for the country that was called home for over 100 years in 1939.
My maternal grandmother lost a brother due to Churchill's folly.
The lessons learned by Churchill along the way to 1939 were not easy. But he was intelligent, articulate and he knew his enemies. And he WON.
This socialist fop couldn't stand in the same room without feeling small.
Knowledge is power - and the new medium for the dissemination of ALL types of knowledge - is a short term defence against the fascists that would have us all living in Orwell's dream worlds.
I don't know if McCain, et al, have the answers but the spoon fed socialists not only tax your wallets and your patience, but they will take your real freedom in doing so.
MIKE
I'd suggest that it's entirely possible that Obama is a sort of Trojan Horse for those (mainly the international socialists, or simply, the Left, plus Islamic Kalifascists and the likes of Putin's Russia and Red China) who would surrender America to her enemies.
Taking away the Free World's ability to defend herself is actually what our enemies want and have been trying to make happen by cultivating the mass psychosis we see in the Left, as exemplified quite well by the likes of Cindy Sheehan and now Barack Obama.
Further, surely y'all are aware of Obama's ties to radical Islamists? Of the seemingly racist nature of the "church" to which he belongs, of his pastor's praise for Farrakhan, of the fact that Obama has worked, helping with fundraising, with a known terrorist... Well, I've blogged about it all as I found it. Am I the only one who can see that there's more to the self-aggrandized Change Agent You Can Trust than meets the eye? Is everyone mesmerized? Oh, of course, many folks are unaware of HIllary's current felony court case and the fact that she's a communist ideologue, so no surprise that many may not see Obama's possible hidden agenda.
Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at February 28, 2008 6:17 PMI did not read all of the posts here but did take the time to listen to th YouTube of Obama. All I can say is Holy crap is he for real? Surely American voters will have more sense than to support this dreamer.
Posted by: Brian Mallard at February 28, 2008 6:18 PMWhen was the last time an atomic weapon was used?
Dream on, masters of war.
Reducing ICBM stockpiles with Russia seems like a damn good idea, and sometimes it's hard to believe that Islamic terror with all their resources HASN'T acquired the bomb yet, and despite the CIA's warning, Al-Qaeda murdered thousands on national TV using boxcutters and incomplete flight training. I hope at least Obama will read the damn NSA reports.
And thank God for Churchill - his words went a long way.
Mike >
Agreed - Obama wouldn't have the credibility to light Churchill’s cigar if he were alive today. How it could even be suggested that a comparison of the two be made, is really beyond comprehension. About as far flung as comparing Winston Churchill addressing the nation to Peewee Herman taking a bathroom break. Pleeeeese………
Wonder if the MSM will use this statement by Obama?
Will Hillary?
Hopefully the GOP Nominee will use it.
Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at February 28, 2008 7:10 PMMusic to the ears. . . of every aspiring despot, terrorist, and tin pot dictator on the planet.
Posted by: DrD at February 28, 2008 7:17 PMThere is one fact missing here
"nothing changes"
We find your corner of the internet musky and illiterate.
Posted by: Dilettante at February 28, 2008 7:30 PMWe find your's shrill and provincial.
Posted by: Doug at February 28, 2008 7:33 PMI find it difficult to post about Obama, simply because of the sheer absurdity of acting like I take him seriously.
However, something he said interests me.
A lot of liberals very much wish to downsize America's military machine. (Probably many harken back to Eisenhower's statement, "Beware of the military/industrial complex.")
Now on the one hand there is some truth to this. Doubtlessly some military appropriations are unncessary and create a burden on the taxpayer.
(When I was in the military, one saying was, "Remember, your weapons were produced by the lowest bidder.")
But the truth is that America simply cannot allow its major military producers to shrink in size and degrade its capacity for producing various weapons systems, no matter the expense.
Although tremendous and egregious prices are charged, that should definitely be in the red ink column. The world does not permit us to lay off large numbers of skilled weapons producers.
Our industrial base for weapons production always has to be in top form and ready to come up with whatever is required to keep us and our allies as safe as possible.
This often means that American taxpayers are having to fund a balloon simply in order to keep it in the air, but there is no other way to assure ourselves of military superiority when it comes to a security umbrella for us and all of our friends.
It is an unrewarded burden that Americans must pay because of our role as super power. We didn't choose it. And frankly, we wish that some other democratic nation had to shoulder that burden.
But it is ours to bear, and we bear it willingly.
kakola,
just for the heck of it I will say, after many years of exchanging posts with so many friends up here, I would be happy for North America to become one country if only it were possible to get a better balance of conservatives in Canada.
I realize that many Canadians do not want this and would never want it, and I can fully appreciate those feelings.
But I have come to feel sort of like Kate when she says about Canada, "We are more like americans than we are like ourselves."
I would say, "We are all more like North Americans than we are like ourselves."
Posted by: Greg in Dallas at February 28, 2008 7:41 PMObama promises "Hope and Change"
Gore promises "Climate Change"
Smitherman promises "Diaper Change"
The common thread among these liberal minded morons is it all revolves around crap.
That's the problem being a "liberal for life" . . . a head full of feces clouds the judgment, stinks up the room and prevents fresh ideas from taking hold due to the severity of the self-inflicted cerebral constipation.
Posted by: Fred at February 28, 2008 7:51 PMIt's quite impossible to turn on the television, run through the channels and avoid Barack Hussen Obama. (I can't believe I just typed those three names) It's dreadful. Just this morning, before I could hit 'channel up' my ears were forced to hear once again that tired, worn out, beaten to death phrase "misconceived war". It's an opinion that stuck, and stuck absolutely, and it doesn't matter what the facts are on the ground. The Left is utterly impervious. Come to think of it, so am I.
Posted by: Bour3 at February 28, 2008 7:53 PMKnight99:
"too bad the world is full of idealists who want to bring their delusional philosophies to bear onthe lives of real people"
Ya mean like the People for the New American Century group who advocated the invasion of Iraq to secure American hegemony and to spread democracy/privatize Iraq's oil while letting Bin Laden (relative of Bush's business buddies) go free after commiting the worst terrorist attack in US history (which the People for the New American Century group said they'd need in order to scare Americans into invading Iraq)?
Ya mean *those* idealists whose delusional philosophies are brought to bear on real people's lives?
Posted by: volik at February 28, 2008 7:54 PMWow, you're all really getting whipped up into a frothy frenzy of stupid. There's nothing there Eisenhower wouldn't have said himself. Most people are smart to enough to figure that out.
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at February 28, 2008 8:06 PMAnyway, while you're all ranting over Obama's statement, the Catholic League in the US is just a little pissed at McCain:
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1393
See, THAT will cost you some serious votes.
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at February 28, 2008 8:14 PMSo much for Do No Evil:
BARACK OBAMA (D)
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University of California $239,944
Skadden, Arps et al $228,520
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Posted by: fsfsafaf at February 28, 2008 8:26 PMI was concerned about mccain running against obama and his cult, but the more i see of him, the less i worry. Americans won't vote for somebody who wants to disarm and hope for the best.
He isn't about hope,he's more about wishing and that isn't a basis for foreign policy.
The United States and Britain freed people from slavery, established institutions that respect the rights of individuals, gave a voice to the masses. It is extremely sad that there are so many people like Tony Blair, Obama, the Archbishop of Canterbury etc. who have absolutely no respect for that history - and would allow people who respect only brute force to rule instead.
Posted by: philanthropist at February 28, 2008 8:36 PMHis hippy advisors are still living in the '60s.
"I will negotiate with Russia to take our nuclear weapons off hair-trigger alert".
This was done decade s ago. Russia isn't the enemy. The islamo-fascists are. Is he the Manchurian Meccan Candidate?
Posted by: RW at February 28, 2008 8:49 PMJoghny Ringo @ 8888.06: And your point is?
Posted by: RW at February 28, 2008 8:58 PMKnight99
Thanks for clarifying.
I thought you were speaking of the deluded idealists who used 9/11 to lie the US into a war which had nothing to do with 9/11, in which almost 4000 soldiers have been killed, while the perpetrators of 9/11 run free while all resources are sunk into an unrelated war that some nitwits still conflate with 9/11, saying that to end the occupation of Iraq would somehow be a 'surrender' to the perpetrators of 9/11.
Ya know, *those* deluded 'idealists'!
Posted by: volik at February 28, 2008 9:11 PMGot a link for that, volik?
Posted by: Kate at February 28, 2008 9:22 PMYeah, Kate. I've got a link to reality.
And that's something that any numskull who proposes that a withdrawal from Iraq is a surrender to the perpetrators of 9/11 most emphatically does *not* have.
Posted by: volik at February 28, 2008 9:42 PMThanks, Knight99
I just wanted to clarify that you weren't speaking of the deluded idealists who terrified the US with unfounded visions of mushroom clouds to go in and sink 4000 casualties and billions of dollars into a quagmire that's lasted longer than it took the US to defeat Hitler.
All because they wanted to disarm Saddam/change the regime/promote democracy/build a roadmap to peace/privatize Iraq's oil.
Thanks for clarifying. Cheers.
Posted by: volik at February 28, 2008 9:49 PMI thought it was because of weapons of mass destruction that Iraq was invaded,thanks to the all seeing and knowing volik I now am informed.Oh,and living in caves and running from drones and air strikes is considered running free in volik's little world.
Posted by: h.ryan. at February 28, 2008 9:49 PMIt's just not conceivable the American voters would want a possible President Barak Hussein Obama at this time. Will not happen.
Liz J.
Yeah, that's my feeling too. EXCEPT I have another feeling which is that perhaps Americans might be wanting another "Holiday from History". Let's face it, it's been pretty rough going for nearly 6 1/2 years (longer than WW2) without much to show for the blood and treasure. And Bush and Co have now joined with the terrorists: arming Fatah, restraining Israel from nailing Hamas, asking Israel to make concessions with zero reciprocation, Kosovo, arms sales to Saudi Arabia, not facing up to Iran, attempting a legacy-saving exit, et al.
And oh yeah, Condi thinks Abbas is Martin Luther King.
Imagine a chance meeting of Winston and Obama
Obama: "Sir you are drunk"!
Winston: "And you sir are a fool but in the morning I will be sober"
Posted by: Joe at February 28, 2008 10:29 PMvolik>
No problem. As always you already have your answers.
all sizzle
no steak............
nothing to see here folks' move'lng
Posted by: brian at February 28, 2008 10:38 PMSome posters on this thread have returned to the old 'weapons of mass destruction' saw.
Just so that history is not completely revised, that sentiment resonates with a significant portion of Americans.
However, a minimum of half of us never really cared a heck of a lot about the WMD. Sure, it was a consideration.
But if truth be told, at least half of us enjoy taking down sadistic dictators. We enjoy crushing their militaries. we enjoy draggin them to exectution. And we enjoy trying to assist in trying to put the country back together again with a sensibility that is more compatible with the Western world.
At least half of us still feel pretty good about our presence in Iraq and still have hopes for the future. You have to remember that we get regular reports from family and friends in the various fields of operation. So we don't have to wait for the MSM and their spin to know whether things are going ok.
Posted by: Greg in Dallas at February 28, 2008 11:02 PMChurchill (the greatest man of the 20th century) might say of B.O.(the most vacuous man of the 21st century).
Never have so many expressed so much enthusiasm for so little.
Posted by: Terry Gain at February 28, 2008 11:49 PMWinston Churchill quotes updated.
Barrack Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Senator, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”
Hillary Clinton: “Sir, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.”
Churchill: “If I were your husband I would take it.”
Greg
Hey, I believe you if you say you and your pals enjoy dragging dictators to their executions (even of your main enjoyment of the activity comes from watching it take place on TV)...
However, I think your assertion that half (or more) of your countrymen share the same sentiment, and that the same amount "feel good" about Iraq is undercut by the fact that, rather, 65% of Americans disapprove of the Iraq war.
Remember, Greg: you're entitled to your own opinion.
But not your own facts!
Posted by: volik at February 29, 2008 1:00 AMI like the image of taking nukes off hair-trigger alert. Is he going to issue Perry Como sweaters as the new missile-silo-crew garb? Maybe let the guys go out and help the farmers in the surrounding fields? Issue leather-covered hassocks upon which slipper-clad feed are to be perched? Jumble the trigger keys so that no single silo or sub has the right two matching keys?
Posted by: surly at February 29, 2008 1:32 AMMeanwhile, see what even the leftward leaning old punk musician Bob Geldof has to say about the reality of G.W. Bush. when he's actually had a chance to experience the man.
Barak Obama: empty suit, empty rhetoric
George Bush: full of compassion, understanding and action.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717934,00.html
The odd time when I check what Volik and his fellow travellers write they reaffirm that leftists are only driven by senseless emotion never facts or reason. They flush whatever is in that toilet bowl they call a brain then wait until one of their comrades takes a dump and fills it up again. It is to laugh.
Remember we lived through Jimmah Carter, Clinton, Blair, Chretien and Trudeau and seen the damage these people can do.
Posted by: Dave at February 29, 2008 8:30 AMHere's a bit of what obama HUSSEIN barack believes.
Nicholas Kristof at the New York Times:
Mr. Obama would bring to the White House an important experience that most other candidates lack: he has actually lived abroad. He spent four years as a child in Indonesia and attended schools in the Indonesian language, which he still speaks.
“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite.
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Well, the leftist moonbat writer has at least one important insight:
"It’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks"
And there folks is where the forehead hits the prayer mat.
Posted by: irwin daisy at February 29, 2008 9:28 AMThe more I see of Obama the more I like Nader.
In a 51-49 country, it's nice of Nader hoover off 3% of Obama's...
Keeping in mind that if it wasn't for Perot and Forbes, Billy Clinton wouldn't have won either election.
Posted by: Warwick at February 29, 2008 10:26 AMKristof is a "leftist moonbat"? Let's unpack that statement, shall we?
A simple Wikipedia search reveals:
"In 1990, Kristof and his wife, Sheryl WuDunn, earned a Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting for their reporting on the pro-democracy student movement and the related Tiananmen Square protests of 1989."
What? A lefty moonbat writing critically about the Communist crackdown on democracy? What gives? He must have been high.
But wait...how to explain this little gem:
"Kristof is critical of the West's anti-sweatshop movement, claiming that the sweatshop model is primary reason why "Taiwan and South Korea [which accepted sweatshops as the price of development] are modern countries with low rates of infant mortality and high levels of education; in contrast, every year 3.1 million Indian children die before the age of 5, mostly from diseases of poverty like diarrhea."[3] He claims that sweatshop work is often "less dangerous or arduous… than most alternatives in poor countries" and that supporting sweatshops in places like Africa will boost economic reform because "If Africa could establish a clothing export industry, that would fight poverty far more effectively than any foreign aid program."[4]"
Hmmm. Strange. A lefty moonbat CRITICAL of the anti-sweatshop movement?
Of course, there's this campaign:
"Kristof has criticized in his Times column the ongoing denial of the Armenian genocide by the Turkish government."
Uh-oh. An MSM columnist taking the same view of the Bush administration, and criticizing one of the most powerful Muslim nations?
Wow - those are certainly leftist moonbat qualifications. Watch out, Naomi Klein!! Kristof's go yer number!!
Dolt.
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at February 29, 2008 10:26 AMCal2,
The second quote should read:
"Winston, if I was your wife I'd poison your tea"
"Madam, if you were my wife I would drink it!"
Posted by: Warwick at February 29, 2008 10:30 AMWell, that's got to take the cake, a confirmed leftard moonbat, rejecting the qualifications of another.
I guess Kristoff isn't welcome in the cave, dolt?
It seems the actual content of the report somehow got missed in the writers qualification as a moonbat imbroglio.
Posted by: irwin daisy at February 29, 2008 11:11 AMGee, Dave
Your pal Greg asserted that over half of Americans "feel good" about the US being in Iraq.
I responded with the fact that 65% of American disapprove of the US being in Iraq.
Greg was expressing a buncha wishful thinking emotions. I was responding with fact.
Oh and Daisy -
Typical lame-o response to being pwned on the Kristof thing.
But that's really not surprising, is it?
Posted by: volik at February 29, 2008 12:03 PMIrwin: Kristof is a leftist moonbat.
JR: Actually, here's some evidence that proves he's rather conservative. Goes back a few years, too, and extends right up to his present day commentary. It's not conclusive evidence, but it stands up better than standing on the online equivalent of a streetcorner and screaming "Left moonbat!" with no proof. Dolt.
Irwin: Nuh-uh! He's a leftist moonbat! A moonbat, I tell's ya!!
(Looks around for help. A tumbleweed rolls by).
Well, you're a lefty moonbat, and you hate him!! That's craazy! And you're a dolt. Heh, that's a good one!! Dolt!
JR: Uh-huh. Have a nice day, sir. (Backs away slowly. Leaves for smarter pastures.)
Posted by: JohnnyRingo at February 29, 2008 12:04 PMWho rang the idiot bell in the idiot cave?
Now, there's two moonbats defending their title by rejecting an unqualified moonbat.
And amidst all their confusion as to what qualifies one to be considered a moonbat, the actual content of the article goes without comment.
Blink.
Posted by: irwin daisy at February 29, 2008 2:38 PMWell, okay, Daisy
Just what was the actual content of the report?
That Obama spent some time in Kenya, that he studied the Koran as part of his stay there, that his grandfather was a Muslim?
So what?
I know you don't get out much, but there's a big wide world out there. Though you haven't gone much past the Slurpee stand at your local 7-11, there are some who feel that in an interconnected world it might be nice to have someone in charge who has a bit of familiarity with life beyond the Slurpee stand.
But just what are you saying? That Islam is inherently bad and that anyone who has a relative who was involved in it should be disqualified from being President? Are you saying Obama is a Muslim terrorist? That all Muslims are terrorists? That Islam should be banned?
The facts tells us that not all Muslims are terrorists.
They also tell us that 15 of the hijackers who took down the WTC were most assuredly Muslim terrorists from Saudi Arabia.
Bush regularly is photographed holding hands with the king of Saudi Arabia. The Bush family is so close to the royal family of Saudi Arabia that Prince Bandar is referred to as 'Bandar Bush'. The Bush family has been in business with the Bin Laden family. Bush stated that he's "not all that concerned" about the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, the killer of 3000 Americans on 9/11.
None of that concerns you. But the fact that Obama saw a little bit of the world when he was a kid concerns you.
Weird.
Posted by: volik at February 29, 2008 7:59 PMVolik>
See Volik there you go again, wrong, wrong, wrong. You don’t have any kids I hope?
Posted by: Knight 99 at March 1, 2008 12:42 AMThanks for the substantive debate, Knight
I knew Daisy would have nothing to say because he's only good for spewing bile and isn't man enough to explain the rationale behind his outbursts of ignorance anyway.
But you do well enough as the archetype of the intellectual prowess displayed on this site: evrybody who's not a knuckle-dragging inbred racist like you guys is just "wrong wrong wrong" with no reasoning beyond that.
It's like the behaviour of a 4 year old stamping their foot: "you're wrong wrong wrong because I say so!"
Except you're presumably a grown man doing this.
Gross!
Posted by: volik at March 1, 2008 5:08 PMvolik >
He he he - Liberal gullibility at it's finest.
Nobody debates you my learned little nerd, because you answer yourself with every post on everyone else’s behalf. Re-read all you questions to me above!
Then it’s you who sputter and fling malicious accusations of racism in your righteous and arrogant persona that is so typical of the soft liberal view of the world. The hamster defense! “These people don’t agree with me so I’ll label them with the only tools in my arsenal that may shut them up”.
The responses you have been receiving are not “the behaviour of a 4 year old stamping their foot” at all, rather they are the responses of adults who are patronizing you with whimsical statements translated to: “your not worthy”!
Volik you have indeed been weighed – measured – and found wanting. Further rationalizing with you is not only a futile attempt to save you from your purple planet, there is a genuine fear that you may hurt yourself…and we do care regardless of your claims.
Knight99
I'm not labelling you racist because it "may shut you up".
You've already labelled yourself a racist with your talk of Browns and Black and Negroes, etc. You've labelled yourself a homophobe with your talk of "Fags".
These are simply facts I have observed.
As I've observed a litany of racist remarks on this site.
Truth be told that's the only reason this site exists: so a bunch of pasty white impotent old mouth-breathers can vent their racism and their embitteredness that the world has passed them by.
Because it has. In the big wide world beyond your consciousness your attitudes are grotesque embarrassments. Kate has thoughtfully allowed you all a place to stand and shake your fists ineffectually.
Ta-ta.
Posted by: volik at March 1, 2008 8:29 PMVolik>
The problem with righteous little people such as yourself is you have no idea when you’ve been played along like a dumb ass kid. Re-read the posts you mention and you see the hook and bait. It’s just a matter of time until some Liberal weirdo compelled to spout his insane rhetoric grabs the line for a laugh. And we’re laughing………….White, black, brown and yellow. Go takes some pictures of swastikas in the little boy’s bathrooms and tell us about it next week. By the by all the words are a part of the English language and the only people they offend is you, Daisy Duke. Not that I need to bother you with any personal facts but I have plenty of friends of all colors and religions, yes and even Muslims. You are just cheap entertainment and reinforcement to everyone here as to why Liberalism is a mental disease……….Adios Cleopatra…..……..
Shorter Knight99: "Hey, some of my best friends are..."
Posted by: volik at March 2, 2008 12:23 AM