Kind of reminds me of "Trudeaumania", SCARY.
If you can't baffle them with the foot work baffle them with the BULL S#IT, YES WER CAN!
Lets hope smarter heads prevail in the US.

Yep pretty much the same as Trudeaumania was here and we all know how that worked out.

'Agreed about Obama. But look at the alternative: Billary.

Both of them are scary.

At least RFK had the excuse of being incredibly sexy.

Obama? Trudeau? I don't get it, sorry. I get the impression that unlike the effect RFK had on people (women mostly) the Obama/Trudeau effect is ersatz -- people acting like they think they're supposed to act in the presence of (to me undetectable) charisma.

It's like girls at a Bay City Rollers concert. They want to experience what their moms did with the Beatles, and if the Rollers weren't the Beatles, well dammit, they'd just have to do.

People want to be part of a historical spectacle, to point to pictures in whatever the future equivalent of LIFE magazine is and say, That was me. I was at Woodstock, or Chicago.

I'm beginning to think that there is really only one comment to make on this topic:

Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!

Kathy, most of us know you know you don't get it. But thanks for the reminders.

At any rate, I will cede the high ground to my right-wing friends on this one. Because, thankfully, there are no right wing pundits or politicians who drag Ronnie's corpse out of the GOP crypt to keep the shine on their party...

http://www.foxbusiness.com/article/cpac-pleased-present-annual-ronald-reagan-award-jessica-echard_487692_1.html

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880223066

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/15909262.html

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1075563&srvc=home&position=rated

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202173.html

Can you say "President John McCain" ?

The imaginary fantasy starts with Obama becoming the first black president.

His father was considered an Arab/Kenyan. His mother is lily white. He has no real experience leading anything, let alone the most powerful country in the world. And he remains virtually unknown, with little established about his actual background and life. How about his voting record, for example?

However, little does that matter, when all you have to do is wave the magic wand and revise the facts to fit the narrative.

The trumpeting of the directionless and ungrounded 'hope' refrain triumphs over substance, reason and logic.

If it is a religion, its pretty weak foundationally.

It's been my observation of history that people are well served to beware of these messianic figures. JFK, RFK, WK, etc. a few examples are as follows.
Many of us recall the mass hysteria that surrounded the Beatles back in '64. Look where they went. Then along came Trudeau. Two years later everyone hated his Castro wannabe guts and his foul smelling legacy in western Canada persists to this day. Jimmy Carter back in '76 was going to be the new JFK and look what a failure he was and is. Next up was global warming or climate change or whatever. It is the new cool faith despite wonky evidence to justify that blind confidence. Now along comes Obama. Maybe he's da man, maybe not. The most telling evidence is in what company one keeps. Teddy Kennedy is swooning over Obama's every word, that settles the science for me.

Yes dear, I am proud to admit that I don't "get it" when it comes to the strange attraction that liberal fascist personality cults have for the likes of anonymous cowards like you.

Or the average progressive's equally baffling habit of mistaking tone deaf historical analogies for actual arguments.

Ringo - can I offer you a bandaid?

Ah, dragging out the "liberal fascist" attack. Brilliant, Shaidle. Positively brilliant.

Kate, save the bandaid for Kathy. I'm afraid she may have cut herself with that sharp and edgy retort she just delivered.

The new religion being led by Obama, which I call 'Negroism' has is as much blind support from the Leftist Loons who believe in magic. This is indeed taking on mystical qualities.

It is a fantasy developing before our eyes. Like a second coming. Like a Hollywood movie being made to live out a fantasy.

The Left Loons have been waiting for their manna messiah for a long time. Now, they finally have their very own 'LOON LORD'

Vote early and vote often eh?

Like Kathy, I never understood the attraction to Trudeau, a rather wizened and tiny man who made weird gestures behind others' backs. 'Kind of took me back to grade two when the class clown made faces when the teacher's back was turned.

Really charismatic, that.

It's not that difficult to see why women's heads were turned by JFK and RFK, even though they were skirt-chasing sleaze bags. They WERE sexy: easy going, tanned, well-dressed, and powerful.

We get it, Kathy, we get it. Obama's inspiring. From there, you get the personality cult, which is in no way similar to any of the non-existent personality cults that surrounded Reagan or Dubya or most other presidents. Therefore, somehow, Obama is dangerous, because apparently, this evil death cult has been brainwashed by teh candidate with no ideas.

The brilliance of this argument...it astounds me.

JohnnyRingo,

You sound like a nasty child with a lot of half ideas and undeveloped arguments that even you don't understand yourself.

Shouldn't you be playing video games?

Stop annoying the adults.

I got dragged to see the movie Bobby when it came out. Probably the most virulently anti-white male movie I have ever seen in my entire life.

Any guesses on who's the rumoured mystery person about to toss their hat in the ring for the Dems?
Must be someone who feels they need rescuing, feeling a bit "bamboozeled" by Obama maybe?

Sinatra! Elvis! The Beatles! Obama!

For a long time I've thought a measure of how unenlightened our societies are by virtue of the fact that "projection" is not explained in high school.

In this case people are being manipulated into a projection of the "young sun god" onto Obama.

I think we have all had the experience at one time in our lives of being dumped. And when this happens we are completely unconsolable, and we go through the most incredible feats to try to get into the presence of the one who dumped us. Only a great deal of time finally allows us to realize that the feelings that we're beset by are entirely inside us. They are not over there with the one who dumped us.

After it is over, sometimes we encounter the one who dumped us and are amazed that we could see so much virtue in such a moron.

This is an example of "projection" in an everyday form that almost everyone has experienced.

However, there can be projections from our unconscious onto people other than a love object.

Obama, with an unusual-sounding name and a young, charismatic personality, has avoided taking positions on issues.

He becomes a sort of tabula rasa onto which factors in the unconscious of the multitudes can be projected.

A Jungian would say that Obama's handlers were manipulating "archetypes in the collective unconscious."

This would mean that Obama would fit the profile of a "black magician," a way of referring to someone who bypasses rational evaluation by the conscious mind in order to manipulate unconscious contents for their own cynical ends. ("Your greatest weapon is your enemy's mind." -- Buddha)

So my point is that Obama knows exactly what he's doing. He and his handlers are master manipulators.

We have to get beyond imagining that the known contents of our conscious thoughts define everything about the human mind. Otherwise, cynical exploiters like Obama always have the possibility of manipulating the fools.

P.S. In the movies about Wyatt Earp, Earp outdrew and killed Johnny Ringo. I think we can see the same thing happening here.

Johnny Dipshit, this is worth reviewing again.....

I remember when Turdeau appeared on the political scene and my sister, brother and I were ecstatic about this fresh young guy. He seems so cool and would change our staid old boring politics into something, something...anyway it would be great.

My mother who was really sharp and followed politics said to us "Do some reading, this guy's a communist and watch out when he gets into power." Nah, we said he isn't that, he's a brilliant man. Needless to say we only voted for him just the once.

But it shows you how when you repeat the lies often enough as the Liberals know people will believe them. Kids today think Turdeau was our best Prime Minister. And his "uncle" Castro is a super guy too.

Okay,now I get it. The difference between the Left and Right is, the Right looks for a competent administrator, with a proven track record, say, a Governor of a State, the Left looks for a Messiah.

Shouldn't mix religion and politics, folks. ;-)

The Right doesn't look for a messiah?!? What the hell was Reagan?

Which one of you turds hasn't/wouldn't tongue his metaphorical ass?

"Which one of you turds hasn't/wouldn't tongue his metaphorical ass?"
Anony, please keep your sexual preferences to yourself, or bring it over to Rabble, you might get a date out of it.

Cap'n Bob @1106. Quite so, I've been using this phrase liberally, so to speak.

Yes, we are seeing Obamania, a la Trudeaumania. It is a personallity cult. I hope the American reject it. This is the stuff of latino caudillos and sundry dictators.

batb@1246 Obama is tanned and well-dressed. But it is George Siros who is powerful.

When the real elections starts, with the power wagons of Dem and Rep polticial parties slugging it out, I think the dirt departments will be very busy digging into backgrounds. Here Billary has a decisive edge over Obama as there will be nothing new.

And johnyringo @ 1252 fails to comprehend the difference between a messianic personality cult and reverence.

I have been to revivalist (religious type) meetings (no, I am atheist) and "I have seen the signs" of messianism and the hypnotic stare on the faces of those who have become to believe.

No Reaganite or Thatcherite has such a stare.

Johnny Ringo, why don't you crawl under the glass table Anon is shitting on and get your jollies. You two deserve each other. Better yet don't even use the glass table.

Liz J, let me take a guess, Ralph "unsafe at any speed" self-indulgent narcissist Nader?

Again, I can only say Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!

What does America want in a black president?
Obama Barack is not on crack (or selling it) although self confessed he has used alcohol, marijuana and cocaine in his youth. He has not been to jail, he is not pimpin his Ho’s downtown or running with his dogs uptown. He has showed no signs whatsoever of abandoning his family to the state at least in the interim. What’s not to like? Americans should maybe give the guy a chance it is after all only four years until the next election. What could he possibly do wrong in that short period of time?

Oh I see, we elect a president based on his past history of drug abuse--and association with crime or lack thereof?

Forget the sarcasm tag?

Everyone is jumping on the Obama bandwagon now. But I believe that when voting day comes around a lot will be staying home with various illnesses. It is one thing to be seen as a progressive,open-minded,liberal that is supporting a black candidate to pump up your own ego and prove to the intellectually weak how inclusive you can be. It is another to actually vote for someone with little experience but lots of personality.

Yup! /Sarc

"The Right doesn't look for a messiah?!? What the hell was Reagan?"

Your answer is here, now go away! http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html

anony: "What the hell was Reagan?"

He was no Messiah--and a lot of people who voted for him sure as Heck knew this, as they worshipped the real Messiah in their Christian churches every week.

He was just a damned effective President who, along with Prime Minister Thatcher and Pope John Paul (the Great) II, brought down the Berlin Wall.

Anything else you'd like to know?

So some racist yahoo got bad vibes at an RFK rally.
What exactly is the lesson for today's rightwing yahoo?

[quote]The odds are strongly in favor of John McCain becoming our next commander-in-chief. This election is rapidly becoming his to lose. The Democrats are stuck with Obama. It's too late to turn back.[/quote]

That is a forgone conclusion! The MSM has to cleanup its act, no cheap shots at John McCain or Talking Heads will be booted out the Door.
(The NY Times got both Republicans & those decent Democrats very unhappy, Madison Ave controls MSM Advert.

John was practicing (in Florida) his Presidential debate line RE: Iraq Dem's Cut & Run "You tell the Mothers of America that their children died in vain "

The bad taste of Vietnam and betrayal by the socialist MSM, Hanoi Jane, resulted in that generation getting away without apologizing to American Mothers. This time the traitors will get what they deserve.

Let the Dogs Out!

Oh, anony?

Couple things babt left out in his answer to your query "Who was Ronald Reagan?"

He was negotiator with terrorists who sold arms to Iran, funnelling the money to fight a proxy war Central America.

He lied and told people he didn't do it. Then when he got caught he said "My heart tells me I didn't do it but the facts say I did!"

Damned effective!

anony,
I see this thread is still live, so I'll drop back in for a second.

I understand and appreciate that not everyone was around back in the days when Ronald Reagan was president.

The thing that it might be helpful to understand is that Reagan had distinguished himself as a conservative leader for many years before he became president.

Even before he became governor he was active intellectually in the conservative movement.

William F. Buckley, Jr. and other conservative intellectuals thought highly of his positions, which were not only pleasing to conservatives because of his oratorical abilities, but also because they were philosophically well thought out and scrutinzied by conservative intellectuals.

In short, Reagan was an intellectual leader before anything about the presidency came up.

You could say that Reagan was popular because of what he said as well as the way he said it.

I understand that RFK Jr is a big time eco-freak green nut case and belongs to one of those wacko eco-wacko groups