Heartbreakingly beautiful.Lest we forget.

And the loony left says we do't support the war?

That's awesome. Truly heartwarming.

I salute the men and women that line the overpass on the Hero's highway. Every time I see that it makes my heart swell with pride. No soldier will make that trip with out being acknowledged.
As for Layton, lets buy him a one way plane ticket and he can spend the rest of his life negotiating with the Taliban.

So, how come we never see this on the news or in the newspaper? Oh, yah...

I'm not a military man, so all I can say is Godspeed to the guys and girls. I think their mission is noble and I support them fully.

better link is here

http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/02/longest-drive.html

Great post Kate.

All Pullout advocates, white flag waving MP pressure from Toronto and Quebec Bloch, Brampton, Mississuaga- Erindale.

Talinban Jack Layton the ND leader, Gilles Duceppe the Bloch leader , Citoyen Dion the Lib leader all advocating abandoning the Afghani people to the Taliban in Afghanistan

Taliban enablers right here in Canada and in our parliament!

Taliban's best Canadian buddies!!

We Will Remember Them

Bit OT,but related,on CJOB with Richard Cloutier yesterday,there was some peacenik fool on protesting the Yellow Ribbon signing campaign being brought into the schools.Can't recall the name of group,but it was the usual conspiracy theory stuff(George Bush/oil etc)the call-in responses were not too favorable to his position,and a few former,and current members of the Military called in to blast him.Quite emotional and heated,but the fool wouldn't listen,just kept trying to cut off and talk over the callers.I found it disgusting and arrogant.He referred to the program of the Ribbon signing as "brainwashing" of school kids,and an attempt to enlist in the Forces.
I am definately NOT a fan of Doer,and our NDP gov't here in Manitoba,but I do give him credit for standing behind this program,and supporting the troops.A contrast indeed to that other NDP fool Layton.

Speaking as an ex-military type, I can only say wow.

The whole thing gave me goosebumps, and almost brought a tear to my eye(can't be crying now, big tough ex-soldier and all).

It is nice to see the effort being appreciated by some.

These men and women have given their all in advocating and defending our way of life. When you retreat from your first line of defence then you better be prepared to fight on a street or neighbourhood near you, in Canada. This is what the Lieberals and Dippers do not understand. Think about that the next time we are called to an election.

By an American author but very fitting.

The Tyrants

The tyrants are loose again;
They hate all but their own.
They give their lives to kill us,
To scatter our blood and bone.

They care not whom they murder,
Whether woman, man or child;
Their minds are full of fury;
Their sickness has gone wild.

To rule the world with violence
Is their one and only goal;
Terror is their method;
They want complete control.

We’ve seen it all before,
And we could not let it be;
We gave our lives for freedom,
For the world, and for you and me.

We fight all forms of oppression,
Helping victims far and near,
To keep the world from chaos,
To protect what we hold dear.

America’s the only country
That gives with its whole heart,
And asks so very little;
We always do our part.

So let’s unite again
To subdue our newest foe,
Whatever we must do,
Wherever we must go.

Let’s show the world once more
That America is blessed
With people who are heroes,
Who meet each and every test.

By Joanna Fuchs

I know I'm probably going to be severly castigated for this but personally I really don't like all the hype. I am NOT suggesting that these brave souls should not be honoured, but I'm finding it to be bordering on the absurd. Many years ago a Canadian cousin of mine was killed while serving in the US Marines. His body was returned home with a Marine contingent accompanying it at all times and a full military funeral was provided by them. It was extremely dignified and very moving. The family wished to not make it a spectacle and their wishes were respected. If one of my loved ones were to be killed while in the Military, I ould want to have a more personal recognition of their deeds and not have their death used to perhaps make a political statement.
My personal opinion only.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you Hector.

But in today's current media climate (demonstrated at the second link), in which members of the journalistic class openly, and not so openly, campaign for our defeat under the guise of "informing" us, these gestures are the only way the average Canadian can push back.

Hector, you make a good point.
There is no doubt politics was being played on all sides. The Conservatives didn't want to make a big show of the fallen returning in flag draped coffins, the Liberals and Dippers did. It's not hard to figure why really.
In a sinister way they could be accused of using the fallen to bolster their own political ideology.
We know those who preach human rights the loudest are on the Left, the same people who do not wish to fight for them.

The point is, hector, it isn't official. It's ordinary people speaking up in gratitude. Nothing political about it. In that sense, it makes it private and direct, because there's no govt involved and no media involved.

Excellent post, for several reasons. Provides some balance to what is seldom covered in the Mop and Pail and CBC etc.

Dion is so underhanded it*s pathetic. First he wailed about a pull-out. Now that he understands the need to hold and fortify Afghanistan, so he spends more time splitting a number of confusing hairs while bleating the similar theme of withdrawl and peace keeping.

The Liberals are banking on the loyalty of the uninformed and emotional Canadian voter.

Power Politics first, regardless of the great security risks to freedom and our non-Sharia way of life.

Recent ignorant Ivory tower views on including *some* Sharia law in British daily life by the elite such as the Archbishop of Canterbury should be an alarm call for us all. There are idiots at the top!

Where are the Winston Churchills when you need them? Oh yeah, Harper could be one. = TG

Hector, a few questions back to you.

1. What is so "absurd" about the fact that SOME people wish to pay their respects to fellow citizens, when those fellow citizens make the ultimate sacrifice for their nation?

2. Could you provide me with some proof that this was an orchestrated political event?

Thanks
Canadian Armed Forces 77-85

If there is any political statement being made it is that average Canadians appreciate and honour the sacrifice made by our fallen soldiers. It's simply the people's way of saying thank you. Very moving pictures.

sorry....respect, not respects....should have proof read

Thanks for your comments. I am pleasantly surprised, however on second thought shouldn't be because most of the posters here respect others opinions. Liz J, Kate and ET's posts make a lot of sense. I didn't consider those points.

A long time ago the british had to haul their dead out of afghanistan.

Then the russians.

Now us.

Twenty years from now when we retreat having accomplished nothing,will any of you admit the mistake that was made?

It's very moving, and not at all absurd or over the top to me.

What's absurd to me it LSM giving more air time to terrorist supporters at protests, where a broken window and incursions into police barriers lines are the 'it bleeds-it leads' norms.

But a non-political rally showing emotional and heartfelt support of fellow Canadians, fallen in the line of duty, well that's just not good enough to be covered by our esteemed activists, er, journalists.

A long time ago, my grandfather fought with many that died, they didn't pull out.

And Hitler didn't win.

There is a lot of difference in the occupation by the russians of Afganistan, and the helping rebuild infrastructure and helping little girls and women have a life that our western soldiers are engaged in Morningstar. This is a voluntary army morningstar, there are probably more soldiers killed in paractice manouvers and traffic accidents here at home, but alas the msm can't have a big field day for those deaths. Thank you soldiers for what you do, and deepest respect for your mission and those lost.

TG, re where is a Winston when you need one. Didn't you read the poll where the majority of British students think he was a fictional character.

My sincere thanks and respect for this soldier. My condolenses to his family.

TG; The thing about Winnie was that he was a superlative orator, able to form public opinion through his speeches. PM Harper? Not so much...
(Just an observation, not a criticism)

Ummm, make that "superb" not "superlative"...good thing I'M not a pol

bartinsky makes a good point concerning peace time casualties. For example, we ran out of body bags(we had 30) during a massive exercise that I participated in while on exchange duty with the British Army.

And one other thing. We would have had at least 35 less casualties in Afghanistan if our troops would have had the benefit of some, or any heli-lift capabilities. Once again, thx cretin, you arsehole!

Morningstar, if we withdraw from Afghanistan now, and future terror attacks are planned and executed from there, like 9/11, will you admit a mistake has been made?

Hypothetical scenarios aside, and yes a bit OT for this thread, it's good to see we are having reasonably rational discussion about pros and cons of the Afghan mission. That's a good thing - regardless of the final decision regarding our deployment, if we had a good debate, then that in itself is a victory.

New Poll up at CTV.CA
RE: what will cause an election, Afhganistan, Budget,Crime Bill
so far Afhgan leading
and of course this is not a scientific poll

[quote]Thanks for your comments. I am pleasantly surprised, however on second thought shouldn't be because most of the posters here respect others opinions. Liz J, Kate and ET's posts make a lot of sense. I didn't consider those points.[/quote]

Hector,
You are a wise man! Those that blindly follow dogma seldom see the 900 lb gorilla in the tent.

Gen Hillier (sp) does, he would do well in America, but I don't think Canada has reached that level of maturity in the social/political arena. (I hope he is not related to a PAUL)

Morningstar,
You will someday see the error in your argument, but for now you are too busy pissing up a rope.

Hector, my son is shipping out to Kandahar for his third tour next Tuesday, and I am again extremely anxious, and will be until he returns safe.

Were I to be in the funeral cortege bearing my son's body from Trenton, you can rest assured that I would be extremely grateful to have even a few real Canadians stand in the rain to show their respect for one who made the ultimate sacrifice.

Our soldiers are in Afghanistan to fight terrorism, the same idealogy which would like to terminate your freedoms. They are not killers & abusers of human rights (the slant adopted by the liberal, bloq & NDP MPs in the House), but young men and women who want the same freedom for the Afghan people as was hard won for them, by their forefathers in other necessary wars.

As for portraying people paying respect to fallen soldiers as a partisan political statement, you leave me totally at a loss for words.

Cutting and running from Afghan due to casualties, when are the people of Toronto going to cut and run. More have been shot and killed there in the last 5 years.
They continue to vote liberal and for ndp councils, not change. So, why are they so against the government not wanting change. We are not in favor of being labelled cut and run, defeatists,
getting a world wide reputation of quitters and a country that can't be trusted.
Voting for dion and layton will achieve this.

Why the comparisons with an Imperial English army, 140+ years ago, and an an ill trained conscript Russian army of the 70' and 80's?

We can bring more firepower to bear in a battlegroup, than all the British forces combined in Afghanistan, in that age..we defeat the enemy in the field at every turn, something the British did often, btw, and the Russians not so well, but did on many days..

Where we will be defeated is on the homefront, from appeasers and fifth columnists, with the complicit help of the MSM and traitorous politicians.

When will we hear their apologies for helping to defeat Canada in the field of public opinion?

morningstar: The "unconquerable Afghans" are a myth--please see:

"Jack Layton: Simply ignorant or just plain lazy?"

You might actually learn some referenced facts.

Mark
Ottawa

Great photo essay.

It is truly inpiring to see this kind of highly visible respect, patriotism, and support.

Kudos to all of the Canadians who get out there and show their respect in this way.

It brought real tears to my eyes thinking how some brave Canadian gave up a life so some import and his nine wives (including the six year old) can live here on welfare and advocate Sharia law. Yes......yes we should fight, but for our way of life not their's.

Sounds like a good reason to leave. It's sad that some of you are using this display as a reason to stay.

That was sublime.

Bless that fallen soldier and his family and the spirit of those who came out to honour them.

Thank you for that link,Kate.It's one of your best ever.

"A long time ago the british had to haul their dead out of afghanistan.

"Then the russians.

morningstar - you poor little history challenged peabrain, the Russians were defeated in Afghanistan by an American trained, funded and armed mujahedeen. That's a very important detail and a big reason why the Russians hauled out their dead. The Taliban hauled out their dead too because the US killed them in large numbers. Whatever lame point you are trying to make it just isn't working out well for you.

The Afghanis by and large aren't at war with the US and Canada. It's AQ and Taliban terrorists running across the Pakistan border causing the problems.

For those who want to know where/how this started: When our first four casualties (from that friendly fire bombing) came home the police officers in Northumberland County decided to have a presence on every bridge from Trenton to Clarington paying a final salute to the fallen. Some of us civilian types thought it would also be a way to show our respects for the troops and their families. No orchestrated campaign took place, just people gathering together to pay their respects. It's slowly grown to what you see today: a mixture of ages, sexes, faiths and political views. It's a small gesture on our part but it's one that has caught on. I've been one one of my local bridges in some pretty miserable weather but it's not the wind bringing a tear to my eyes.

Regards

ND

Thank you for your very worthwhile efforts and in posting this information Nursedude.

Much appreciated.

I was so moved by the pictures I transformed them into a video.

Perhaps in some small way others will come to understand their sacrifice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Oe-g2cWpvU

JD

...why get on G&M's case? It's business. Sex and death sell copies, and they have a business to run.

Unfortunately it is also controlled by supply and demand. If so many people wouldn't read (and quote) from it maybe they'll change their ways when the bottom line starts shrinking.

It's like when people quote the CBC. Who listens to that empty brass sound anyway?

Don't complain here, get on your MP's case.

Then again if Kate manages to shut down the CBC via SDA, I'll buy her a rose...

Kingstonlad, Alienated and Others.

I in no way shape or form suggested that this display of respect was in any way offensive to me. On the contrary, I find the spontaneous reaction of ordinary Canadian citizens to be most welcome and heart-warming.

I guess I was attempting to articulate ( and not very well, it appears ) that, if it was one of my loved ones, I would rather have had their return kept more low-key out of respect for the family.

I do not doubt for one minute the sincerity of those that publically showed their support by attending this, however I feel that the media is using it to their their own ends when they continually supply us with photos and videos of the final return of a loved one.

I apologize if any offense was taken by my comments, however the death of a family member is a deeply personal experience.I know that in spades.

I fear (perhaps wrongly) that this display of grief is being used to further political agendas by those that are too cruel to respect the dead.

And Morningstar, permit me to say with all due respect, you are an asshole.

I find it disgusting that the media complained that they were not allowed inside the gates at CFB Trenton (not so long ago), so they were missing "the story."

The number of our fallen increases, but the only "interesting" coverage is the repat ceremony. There hasn't been media getting the man on the street perspective about why these average Canadians come out to pay their respects. I haven't seen it on CBC (to be fair I don't watch CBC), CTV or any other newcasts.

I recently heard a very senior officer speak about how the families perceived this route lining. He indicated that families who took the trip indicated tremendous pride and relief that the average Canadian stood with them in their time of grief.

I think the pictures are great. Thank you for posting them. They painted the picture better than I could imagine.

Morningstar, the difference is the US military, the greatest and most powerful fighting force the world has ever known is involved in Afghanistan.

If anyone and I mean ANYONE came face to face with even just one arm, lets say the Marines, they would be tossed down the toilet of history in a nano-second, flushed away like a stinking little turd, such as you.

Instead, since they, along with you, are cowards, they chose to bring nations down by infiltrating their education system and turning things on their head so that mental wimps and wussies like you "feel their pain" and glorify "losers" and advocate for the enemy, not realizing that in the process, they are merely useful idiots for an evil cause.

But you are too brain dead to think independently to come to such a conclusion. You let the MSM do the thinking for you.

I was very moved by these pictures. God bless all our fighting men and women, especially those who don't make it home alive. Personally, if I were in the heartbreaking position of the loved ones of the deceased, my spirit would be buoyed up by the obvious concern, if not love, displayed by those taking the time to pay their last respects to a bona fide hero: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

Nursedude, your information is very informative. Thanks. Is there a web site anywhere, where one can get the information about when/where these entourages will be passing?

The Highway for Heroes can be found on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_TvRmNJFw&feature=related

Lookout,lets just hope and pray,we won't need the info you required above.Bless 'em all,and keep them safe.

"members of the journalistic class openly, and not so openly, campaign for our defeat"- Kate

That sounds fascinating. Could someone provide me links of these people from the MSM in Canada (CBC, CTV, G&M, Star, Sun, Free Press, etc) who have actually campaigned openly for our defeat. I need to know who these people are who have factually written down in a newspaper column that they want our troops to fail or to be overthrown. (No freelancers though, just full time columnists of a major news provider in Canada)

Thanks!

my screen shows, before scrolling, what is close to a destroyers deck--at first i figured it was a navy salute!
The important thing is the support for our soldiers in any way,,personally I prefer it otherwise.

As retired Canadian Forces I admit getting more than a bit choked and misty-eyed (allergies?) at the show of respect for a fallen soldier.

Funny, I posted this earlier and seems to have disappeared. Is it something I said? The truth that conservatives don't lie to hear maybe?

From the second link (now)

"Casualties in Afstan: Good news at 10

That is at the bottom of page A10 of the Globe and Mail's Ontario edition. Nice job of burying the good news, editors--when every death makes the front page:"

Apparently the writer wants people to somehow believe that less troops wounded (in battle) news worthy of front page coverage. Let me know when there are no troops wounded or killed, then it will be worthy of front page.

So what does the printed edition of the Globe really say about the wounded?

Wounded in Combat
2006 - 180
2007 – 84
A 46% decrease

But!!!!

Non-combat injuries (as listed in the G&M)
2006 - 85
2007 – 298
An increase of 285%

It looks as if the CF is fudging the numbers by playing with the definition of "wounded in battle"

The total casualties according to the Globe and Mail through the CF press release
2006 - 300
2007 - 412
So is this “good news” still worthy of front page coverage?

There's more to a newspaper that the front page and a sunshine girl, but I wouldn't expect conservatives to know this.

[quote]Let me know when there are no troops wounded or killed, then it will be worthy of front page.[/quote]

Libforlife,
Hold that thought, and play it out to the point that you find yourself sitting around a barrel fire with a bottle in a brown Bag. You will then know that what this world doesn't need is.. You!

You & your kind are getting our troops killed for your own selfish political agenda's

Soldiers have never been responsible for the Political decisions of their leaders.

Vietnam was a very different time with a coward for a president (LBJ) that made little sense. I would recommend reading the book VIETNAM by Stanley Karnow “A History” that puts thing in perspective.

LIFELESSLIB

""""Non-combat injuries """"

if you are gonna show numbers "qualify" them

other wize, garbage in = garbage out

and to those whom think we can't win in Afigan

"to try and fail is better than to never try"

thusly our heros will allways be winners, as they have tried

THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE

"You & your kind are getting our troops killed for your own selfish political agenda's"

What, I'm getting soldiers killed by pointing out obvious spin from a right wing blog? Oh I see, "you're getting troops killed", "if you're not with us, you're against us", “if you don’t support the war, you don’t support the troops”: some of that conservative mantra again, right. Do you ever miss reality Phil?
Letting the enemy know where the leader of the opposition is supposed to be the following day in Afghanistan is what gets troops killed for selfish political agenda Phil.

GYM, it clearly states where the numbers come from: the Feb 8 2008 Globe and Mail P-10 print edition, whose source was National Defence.
Spin spin spin that American pseudo patriotism GYM.

JD:

You did a beautiful job on the video. Thank you. I was very moved.

Spoke to a young soldier the other day who will be going over in Nov. and he understands why we're there and is glad to do his part. He and his fiancee are postponing their wedding until he returns.
While on schemes in the area, the locals in a nearby town told them that we were only over there for the OIL.
The group he's going with saw this article in their local newspaper the other day:

Chuck Wiley crossed the border into Canada during a snowstorm last winter with little more than a car chock full of belongings and a hope he would one day become a Canuck.

The former U.S. navy chief petty officer and his wife now live in Canada with an uncertain future.

Wiley, 35, is one of an estimated 200 American soldiers who have moved to Canada after deserting their homeland to avoid serving in Iraq. Many have found refuge in Toronto, where they are members of an organization called the War Resisters Support Campaign, which is working to find a way to allow them to legally stay in Canada.

Yesterday, he spoke to students and faculty at Queen's University to drum up public support for a motion expected to go before the House of Commons that would allow war resisters and their families to seek asylum in Canada. The motion, from the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, also calls for an immediate halt to deportation proceedings in these cases.

Wearing jeans and a black T-shirt emblazoned with "Say Yes to Soldiers Who Say No," Wiley told the crowd that he would like to see Canada become "a refuge for those who don't want to participate in an unjust war."

"to try and fail is better than to never try"

I'm not sure if it's a bit embarrassing to admit that my current underwear reads (I'm not kidding - I'd post a photo, but, you know...): "You tried your best but failed miserably. The lesson is never to try".

- Homer Simpson

I would suggest that all left-lib retards get the f**k out of this thread. It celebrates those who actually do something for this country, and not suck at its teat while deriding true men and women. Libforlife - go f**k yourself - you're a waste of oxygen.

Firestarter, if you can't find the suble defeatism in our media, learn how to read critically. You haven't been paying attention - just like your twin gods Layton and Dion - the liberal fascist twins. Heck, just learn how to read. I know you lefties live on emotion and not intellect. I should know better than to expect literacy.A

Libforlife - let's see if I get this straight your issue by your stats is that war has casualties? What moronic parallel universe do you live in where cops and soldiers don't get killed in the line of duty? And in what parallel universe is there never a duty to be soldiers or cops?

A shot was never fired by armed UN peacekeepering soldiers in Rwanda while 800,000 Tutsis were killed by Hutu militia at a rate of 10,000 killed each day. UN soldiers observed the whole thing rather than risk a casualty or criticism for intervening from craven little lefties like yourself. So much for the morality of pacifism. Can your little moonbat mind wrap itself around that disgusting paradigm?

You're moniker is perfect for you. Anyone that declares they are anything "for life" is a closed minded, incurious, pooly educated bore.

gellen, the 60s are over. Get with the times.

Morningstar, one of the main reasons the Russian's lost in Afghanistan had absolutely nothing to do with Afghanistan. It was that ordinary Russians at home could no longer support the Soviet regime. Why fight for a country that couldn't even put bread and milk on the grocery store shelves? At the time the Red Army was in Afghanistan, the Soviet Union was crumbling within. It wasn't long after that it collapsed.

I have no idea why the Brits didn't prevail, but those are the only two countries that the left seems to be able to point to. Afghanistan has a much longer history than that.

"I know you lefties live on emotion and not intellect. I should know better than to expect literacy."

Anon, you're projecting.

Penny, of course troops get killed in war. The only problem is the military is trying to sugar coat the casualties. They know they can't gag order the families of the wounded soldiers, so they are now fudging the numbers. It's obvious to anyone with an IQ above a tape worm why they would do that. It's to protect the automaton and his isodopes from his plummeting further in the polls.

joseCanUSee- "Cadets should be mandatory for all kids 8-12 years of age."
You will be assimilated. Ziek, Harper!!! Ziek, Harper!!!
"If nothing else, the morons that show up at the stock car races..." Oh please stop, my ribs hurt. You have NASCAR tattooed somewhere on you body and have at least two OCC ball caps right?

"The 60s are over. Get with the times."
Louise, I'm 80 and more with the times than you know. Since I'm a big supporter of our troops, and their mission, you might explain your comment.

libforlife,

Perhaps you've seen this quote before. Regardless, you should read, clip and tape it beside your 8x10 glossy of Neville Chamberlain.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself" - J.S. Mill -

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

libforlife,

You illustrate well the moral terpitude exhibited by your grit leaders, and must be commended for being the useful idiot you prove to be by your inane comments here.

I admire Kate for her foresight in allowing posters such as yourself & iberia make fools of themselves. Warren & Jason are too cowardly to allow negative comments on their blogs, but choose to spin their liberal vision to their sycophants and the mindless. I'm sure you are a frequent visitor there, ecstatically absorbing words of wisdom...

You claim the military is "fudging the numbers" on our wounded to make themselves look good. If you can't back it up with solid evidence, don't open your gob and remove all doubt that you're stupid.

Your puerile sarcasm "to protect the automaton and his isodopes from his plummeting further in the polls" is just another ad hominem attack on the PM
and reflects poorly on you. Do you want us start making fun of your god, the liberal leader? The field there is rather fertile, my friend...

And finally, it's "Sieg Heil" if you want to trot out the CTV insult again. Be precise in your attempts at sarcasm. All you've shown by your presence here is that you're an illiterate, brain-dead cretin who probably left school at 15, because they'd only let you repeat grade 3 so many times.

Alienated, thanks for the above clarification about Libforlife statements. It was too early in the morning on the west coast for me to get my head around the "Zeik" I thought he was trying to make some kind of comment about a redneck named Zeke. Gotta wake up, where is the coffee.

...."libforlife" is that a self imposed sentence?

Alienated, you don't like people calling your leader names? Oh that's too bad isn't it. Remember that the next time conservatives want to saddle the opposition with names like "Dithers". I just wish I could take credit for Harper's new name "The Automaton" but sadly I can't.
http://bcinto.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-nickname-for-stephen-harper.html

You are right about one that thing I must now admit. When it comes to German, I am completely illiterate. Yes it's true, I can't even speak German to do more than tell the taxi to take me to the airport or order a beer and my German spelling is even worse. I thank you very much for correcting me and clarifying that it's not "zeik" but it is instead "sieg". The next time I need clarification on how the NAZIs salute I'll be sure to ask a conservative first.

libforlife, you can't take credit for ANY of the ad hominem attacks you are so fond of, they're straight off the CBC & CTV spin doctors' lips. Get an original thought once in a while if you wish to come here, as we tolerate your visits but find you guys... boring and trite.

BTW, the lovely name of Mr. Dithers was introduced first by one of the liberal spin doctors on CTV that you hold in such high regard, when he had to explain PMPM's wavering on decision-making, and he called it "dithering".

And if you really want someone to explain how nazis salute, I'm your man. My family comes from the Czech republic and lost everything to the nazis, so we are quite aware of "Sieg Heil." My father was jailed by the bastards, we lost everything we owned and had to start from scratch in Canada. Equating me & other conservatives to nazis just proves my point: you're a moron.

Now be a good little boy and go buck a fuffalo, or whatever your fellow liberals do for a pasttime. You bore me no end.

Alienated, don't feel bad, a lot of people lost everything and were jailed for supporting the Nazis during WW2. I just find it amazing how many people claim to have witnessed fascism up close, but refuse to see its evolution within the Automaton’s government.
It suggests this is the form of government conservatives are hoping for.
Read this and try to find one point that doesn't relate to this government.
http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

Alienated, don't feel bad, a lot of people lost everything and were jailed for supporting the Nazis during WW2. I just find it amazing how many people claim to have witnessed fascism up close, but refuse to see its evolution within the Automaton’s government.
It suggests this is the form of government conservatives are hoping for.
Read this and try to find one point that doesn't relate to this government
www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

I can explain my comment quite simply. I misread yours. That's it. That's all. Except maybe sorry.

Is today "feed the trolls day?" Or is everyone just looking to blow some time typing stuff into a computer that isn't going to change the other guy's mind?

Just curious.

libforlife, read the last line in my last post to you and take it to heart. You and your kind bore me no end.

Now kiss Stephanie Dion's a$$ and feel better about yourself. Kiss your pal Hitler's burnt a$$ as well since you have this affinity and familiarity to nazi propaganda.

Yeah Damian, I know the trolls are out... this is my last post to this a$$wipe. He's probably some import dependant on liberal dollars who's sweating bullets because PMSH could cut his welfare payments off after the next election.

Thanks, Louise. Appreciate it.
I was very struck with that young man. We can be very proud of our service men and women.
That day a group of them had been in a restaurant having breakfast and someone paid for all of them. He really appreciated it, as it was one way someone chose to show their support.

Libgetalife, since you are so enamoured with the term "automaton," I suggest you read Erich Fromm's cerebral book "Escape from Freedom," where he uses that term. It describes people who cannot handle decisions of democracy, reach a form of entropy, where all information is the same, regardless of the source; hence, their voting behaviour becomes robotic, they become automatons who hand over their freedom for some sanitized, politically correct (far right in this example) fantasy to a zealot, Adolph Hitler in this study, who then moves them into totalitarianism, with a brutal revocation of democracy and free thought.

IOW you have it completely backwards. You sound a lot like the automotans described in "Escape from Freedom." Maybe you support the thought police HRC, or the world of Jack Layton where military action is never an option.

Escape all you want, but I'm not interested; I suspect, neither is Kate or many others.

I was touched by the pictures as well. it is the least canada can do.

I dont know why you allow jerks like that libferlife to enter his opinions tho. He is really dumb nobody can be that stupid. I thought liberals were just crooks

Anon

You state the following:
"Firestarter, if you can't find the suble(sic) defeatism in our media, learn how to read critically."

Where in my post did I mention I wanted to find "subtle defeatism"? Kate wrote the following:
"..members of the journalistic class openly, and not so openly, campaign for our defeat.."

I clearly asked for links to the articles where a journalist has "openly campaigned" for our defeat.

I didn't ask for 'subtle' clues. Give me a link from a National or Provincial paper where a full-time journalist has 'openly campaigned for our defeat.' If you can't do that, then take back the original comment and admit you have no basis for it.