Where are the women's groups again?

Does this mean if I can get a group of women together we could go to a Muslim country get it legalized there and come back and run the scam and collect checks?

It seems a lot easier than having a crack house full of babies running a child wefare scam.

Are we reading the same headlines, Kate?! (I posted on the same story about an hour earlier.)

As I commented on my own blog, a man with four wives stands to have $6000 per month or $72,000 per year coming into the household.

Why work?

Oh, and did you notice the part where the guy actually says BRITAIN doesn't make it as easy as Canada.

T-r-o-u-b-l-e.

I guess there is one law for all in Ontario.

Shariah.

no offence Mark but 5 people on $72k per year.

I would still have to work.

OK so what do we do about it?

Who are the best people to phone/write/fax to demand these people get cut off and deported -- at there own expense?

I'm serious. Let's do it. Starting today.

not if you kept them womenfolk in the 'ol mud hut, and made sure they stayed in their place.

One can get alot of wear out of a synthetic burka. Better than cotton.

so, if these marriages are being recognized, how soon before the government is sued for being discriminatory and polygamy becomes available to anyone and everyone?

Chretien urges Alta. to share wealth
Keith Gerein, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 2:01 am
Alberta's energy riches belong to all Canadians, former prime minister Jean Chretien told an Edmonton audience Thursday night, calling on them to remember that the province wasn't always so fortunate.

While calling Albertans "very good Canadians," Chretien suggested the province should be generous toward the rest of the country.

"God gave oil here, but the wealth is the wealth of all the nation," he said to a crowd of about 1,300 in a soldout University of Alberta lecture hall. "There were bad times in the West during the Great Depression, and when those bad times came, they had to rely on the East. People don't remember that."

Wonder when the Westerners wise up and beat da feat.
Invitin a dumb sh-head like that crook out there.You bloody well embarrass yourselves.
Bouchard WAS right.
You now deserve to be scammed and you will be!

Do the wives have to live in Ontario? Or can they collect welfare while living in Somalia? If that is the case, I have 273 wives in Somalia...honest! 273 times $6K is enough for me.

By the way, where's the best place to buy caviar?

I'm with Kathy -- I am starting with my MP, but from there where? It reminds me of a commedian I saw once who said he had crabs, but it was OK because he claimed 200 dependants on his income tax. "I may never have to work again..."

And didn't I read somewhere that they are only allowed multiple wives if they can support them?

What about the part of Islam that says a man can have up to 4 wives IF he can support them??

I guess a little technicality like the state subsidising this so called man's harem doesn't seem to bother the fundamentalists.

Mark Steyn quoting someone else (going by memory here...) "civilizations aren't lost by conquest, they perish by suicide."

The Archbishop's recent comments on S.L., the attacks on freedom of expression by the HRCs, this story, the banning of Christ from Christmas and the 3 little pigs from a edu. curriculum etc pretty much lends credence to the quote.

Naw, Right of Centre... the idea is that you send the wives out to work!

Little Mosque on the Prairie should do an episode on this theme . Hilarity guaranteed .

Just how did his estimated "several hundred" polygamists fall through the cracks and wind up with the extra benefits is the real question. And where is immigration in allowing all of these unrelated extra women to pile up in one household? How come they are on the dole to begin with?

In country after country in the west it's been nothing but trouble allowing Muslims in. Outside of a unit of economic production where needed, Muslims destroy the social fabric and culture in the west. There are 50 designated Muslim countries in the world with plenty of space for their special needs. If polygamy is part of the basic fabric of Islam, why are we accepting these people ever?

Any practicing polygamist needs deported now.

You know, I was under the impression that our "illustrious leaders" claimed that we NEEDED immigration so that the newcomers would all work to pay for our social services.

How's that working out when we bring in hordes of deadbeats?

I don't mind anyone coming here to work but I strongly object to loafers who come here to suck off the system. We have enough losers here already. We don't require more.

I think immigration should be unlimited for those who agree to buy into Canadian values 100%, who are here to work hard and make a better life for themselves and who agree that they will be ineligible for any handouts when they get here. Why in hell are immigrants eligible for free money? If they can't support themselves they shouldn't be here.

If you are on welfare, instead of a cheque you should be given a ride back to your place of origin. It's unfortunate we can't deport our own deadbeats along with them.

"Canada is a very Liberal-Minded country" ali said "Canada is way ahead of Britain in this Respect"

And that folks is just another reason to say Enough is Enough.

Do they (polygamists )know about this in Bountiful British Columbia?

If you manage to position yourself under a government that cheerfully doles out the welfare bucks to you, I would think that would fall under any Islamic definition of "being able to support".

"Does this mean if I can get a group of women together we could go to a Muslim country get it legalized there and come back and run the scam and collect checks?" Posted by: Right of centre

No. This means your marriages would not be recognized because you are not Muslim. Therefore, Islam is hoisted on a pedestal, with special treatment so only Muslims can get the cash in a land where (I've been told so many Fu*** times) everyone is equal.

Go figure.

Are immigrants not told they must adhere to Canadian law before being admitted here? If not, how come?

Kathy asks "OK so what do we do about it? Who are the best people to phone/write/fax to demand these people get cut off and deported -- at there own expense?"

Last night I got called by the Conservatives asking for my support in the upcoming election. I blew them off because I was watching the Leafs conquer - conquer I tells ya! - the Habs.

If was only after I rang off that it dawned on me that I should have mentioned the HRC crap, and had I'd known about this multiple wife nonsense, I would have mentioned that too.

My vote is conditional on these things being straightened out. Can't wait to speak to Wajid Khan.

Hey look: it's Mayor David Miller's contact info!

Tell him you're boycotting Toronto tourism and businesses until he cracks down on this illegal, parasitical sharia b.s.

http://www.toronto.ca/mayor_miller/contact.htm

Kathy asks "OK so what do we do about it? Who are the best people to phone/write/fax to demand these people get cut off and deported -- at there own expense?"

Last night I got called by the Conservatives asking for my support in the upcoming election. I blew them off because I was watching the Leafs conquer - conquer I tells ya! - the Habs.

If was only after I rang off that it dawned on me that I should have mentioned the HRC crap, and had I'd known about this multiple wife nonsense, I would have mentioned that too.

My vote is conditional on these things being straightened out. Can't wait to speak to Wajid Khan.

This story has to be investigated thoroughly. As Joe Molnar said, the folks in Bountiful were prosecuted for polygamy just a few years back.

If this situation , re Islamic polygamy, was known to exist, then the law has been unfairly applied against the Mormon sect in B.C., and they have a right to legal recourse, like big taxpayer's bucks.

We're one Liberal majority government away from becoming as subservient as Britain appears to be.

Haven't got time to read the whole article right now but I remember that polygamy is officially illegal in Canada. When the same sex marriage stuff was happening there were all sorts of arguments made for legalizing polygamy (don't understand the link between the 2 but somehow precedents are set such that the illegality of polygamy can be challenged).

If you ever hear someone say "If they hate us and our culture so much why do they come here?" Point out this story.
I love this part the most...

The families receiving benefits didn't want their identities released because it can lead to questions by authorities on how they entered Canada and can mean an end to their benefits, Ali said.

Unreal

"Why in hell are immigrants eligible for free money? If they can't support themselves they shouldn't be here."

Answer:
Because in all likelyhood, they will vote for the party that will guarantee easiest access in the country for the easiest way to acheive their worldwide mission; see Mark Steyn for details on that mission.

That party of course is LIBERAL.

"Canada is a very Liberal-Minded country" ali said "Canada is way ahead of Britain in this Respect"

It's like the Tcechs, Russians and Roumanians who are controlling much of Toronto's poll dancers/female slave prostitution rings: They want more of their women in so they can exploit them here...They use to go see Judy Sgro (Liberal Immigration Minister) for that. And BTW: Most all the cash made here from this lucrative business is transfered into US greenback and smuggled back to the cartels of those countries. I know, a cop told me. So that money is not even reinvested in Canada!

Welcome to McGuinty's Ontario.

So by this logic it should also be legal to have 12 year old wives too. Why not throw in another charming muslim tradition of homosexual pedastric relationships.

If its good for Yasser Arafat then its good for Dudley Doright!

Posted earlier on DMB but thought I'd post here too.
We have already gone over the edge thanks to multi-culturalism. What the liberal social engineering morons didn't understand is that the European work ethic is not universal. By voting in the airy-fairey ideals of multi-culturalism, and social responsibility we have already consigned this country to failure. The second, third, and fourth generation Canadians cannot support the infrastructure required for the new immigration wave that has developed over the last twenty years. We are seeing the results in most European countries already, no-go zones in France and Britain, honour killings, religious/political murders, demands for Sharia law, demands for more tolerance and understanding, it will continue and escalate as long as we allow it. It is too late by twenty years to stop it and there is no way we can reverse it. I pity this country intwenty years. We have been trying to assimilate and integrate the Aboriginals into our society for the last four hundred years and have failed miserably why do we think that we can be successful with a group that only wants our destruction?

Ontario
Minister of Community and Social Services
Madeleine Meilleur

http://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/mcss/english/main/contacts/?posting={B5123269-0468-4D61-9583-4BAEA231057D}

They need to tighten their policies & share information with CIC to review entry into Canada:
http://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/mcss/english/pillars/social/ow-directives/ow_policy_directives.htm

"Canada is a very liberal-minded country," Ali said. "Canada is way ahead of Britain in this respect."
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Be afraid, be very afraid when Canada is being praised for its dhimmitude over Britain.

I remember being taught in school that our system of "cultural mosaic" (aka multiculturalism) was far superior to the American "melting pot" approach.

Who's laughing now?

September 8, 2005
Canada's Sharia Law - Problems and Protests

...The Boyd Report was prompted by a retired Muslim lawyer, Syed Mumtaz Ali, according to journalist Bruce Cheadle who adds that Mumtaz Ali's "view of Shariah was unabashedly fundamentalist and political"....

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/000109.html

Thanks a bunch, Trudeau. Sheesh.

Didn't the Fascists argue that re-defining marriage to allow homosexuals to marry would NOT allow this kind of thing to happen?

The Fascists (Liberals) are always right. /sarc

Under Canadian immigration law, at least this was the case a few years ago, only Mulsims had 'proxy' marriages recognized: this means that only Mulsims could get married over the phone, and have that marraige recognized by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

So let me see if I’ve got this straight – we have immigration, in part, because we need more young people to pay for the social benefits of older Canadians, and we as a group are not having enough children.

So we go and give citizenship to Lebanese who have no intention of leaving their country, and we foot the bill for rescuing them when their war to exterminate the Jews doesn’t go in their favour.

Similarly we import people who, in part, will not only be a burden on the social network themselves but may in fact have up to 4 cohorts come along for the ride?

Regarding Bountiful, the BC government has not prosecuted them for polygamy, but has investigated for years on the consideration of charging them with bigamy.

The problem for the state isn't polygamy per se - it it twofold:
1. The challenge to religious freedom would end up in the Supreme Court - outcome uncertain
2. The state would have to deal with the muslims if they succeed.

Our governments are powerless in the face of the first, and honestly, they fear the second.

One problem with your idea, Right of Center. 6 people on $72k is $72k/6. Do YOU want to try living on $12 grand a year? How about $12 grand a year in Toronto?

That being said, polygamy is illegal in Canada. So WTF is up with that? Liberal Party "special deal", that's what. White man wants two wives, uh uh. Non-white man wants two wives, no problem!

See Caledonia Ontario for further elucidation of the "special deal" concept. Did y'all know that if you buy a Range Rover (over $100k these days) and you live within 20 miles of an Indian reserve the insurance companies won't cover you? They make you install a Lojack system and a special ignition lockout system. Because why? Because insurance companies have had some bad experiences regarding getting high dollar cars back off the reserve would be my guess.

All Lefties cruising for racism here please note, the above is a not a criticism of Indians or Muslims. White people do bad things too. Its just that when the White Man steals a hundred thousand dollar automobile he doesn't get a free pass from the OPP. M'kay?

You don't believe me, call an insurance company and tell them you have a Lexus and you're going to move to Caledonia. See what they say.

Obviously the train has left the station and we're never gonna ban Muslim immigration even though we all know that it is poison, and that we are dhimmi jizya-paying suckers.

However, surely we can tackle the whole notion of instant social benefits by scaling those benefits according to the level and duration of a individual's economic output.

Here's the deal.
If someone has more than one wife BUT the marriages took place in a country that allows that, then Canada will recognize the marriages.
When applying for welfare in Ontario,only ONE wife qualifies, BUT other persons living in the same household can apply for welfare too.
So, while strictly speaking only one wife is allowed to collect welfare, the other "persons" living in the household may collect it as well.
Neat trick, eh?

It is true, Ontario is the place to be if you have several wives acquired "legally" in a country that allows it. This pretty much means only Muslims, no other cult type religions would qualify.
So here we are apparently supporting the multiple wives of one dick dipper and their offspring with all the benefits afforded one wife marriages. Since it's highly unlikely these studs can support what they breed we are subsidizing them. It's enough to make one's skin crawl. If they did have high paying jobs they'd avoid paying taxes due to supporting multiple families.

Are we going to tolerate supporting 14th century
primitive rites in this modern, civilized Western democracy or are we going to be taken over?

Reading Mark Steyn's "America Alone" should be required reading for all, especially bone headed politicos and fools like Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.

Do not bother to engage McGuinty on any topic,he's in for a four year term and will do what he pleases. He lied his ass off the previous election and still got a majority from the brain dead voters of Ontario this past one.

The welfare cheques are only the end result, and may technically not be fraud. One man and one women, and their children, claim as a family. Other women and her kids claim as a single with kids. The real problem goes back to whatever genius thought it was acceptable to amend the family law act of Ontario to permit polygamy. What about coutries that permit marriage (and sex obviously) at younger ages. Does the family law act permit pedophilia? Will it in the future?

From the article, we have this brilliant statement from a government factotum:

" Brenda Nesbitt, the city's director of social services, said benefits are only paid to one spouse and names and addresses are cross-checked for possible fraud.

"There may be polygamous cases we are not aware off," Nesbitt said yesterday. "They can apply as single people and we won't know." "

I would suggest that "we don't know" because "we don't WANNA know." A simple database search matching addresses and a couple of pointed questions would clear up any confusion I'm sure.

Now, just a little thought experiment for some of you Liberal geniuses out there who are saying "hey, multiple wives, what's the PROBLEM here?" Think "polygamy" and "arranged marriage". Now think "polygamy" and "arranged marriage" and "dowry". Now remember that women in Arab/Islamic culture are not allowed to own property, drive or even be seen in public without their husband.

Then if you still have any spare neurons, think "children" and "inheritance".

If any of the big words like "dowry" are unfamiliar, go look 'em up and at least try to educate yourself before saying "what's the problem?!"

The Ontario government spends ninety-two billion dollars ($92,000,000,000) a year. This particular boondoggle is costing taxpayers let's say six million dollars ($6,000,000) a year.

Six million is a smaller number than ninety two billion. Much smaller. In fact, it is so small that it seems somewhat illogical to go to the wall over it, when billions are wasted elsewhere.

No, I am not happy my tax dollars are going to multiple Muslim wives. I am also not happy that the government of Ontario provides financial incentive for women applying for welfare to say their boyfriends\husbands abuse them, a policy which no doubt leads to dozens and perhaps hundreds of false charges being laid on innocent men.

Oh, and it is noted some folks up in arms over this who live in Ontario did not support the PC party last election, which is to say they supported McGuinty and the Liberals. What asshattery to complain about the results of an election in which you couldn't be bothered voting to get rid of McGuinty! *cough*closetLiberals*cough*

Lest we forget:

CPP; death benefits, survivor benefits, etc.................

Abandoning our Judeo-Christian heritage and allowing SSM surely opened a can of worms. I'm getting sick and tired of the right to this and the right to that.

You can sing all you want about having the "right to my love", but you ain't gonna get it baby.................

Obviously the only people with any balls left in Ontario are Muslim men.

Who needs four wives to collect multiple benefits? Just one woman covered in a sheet can be used. The same woman can visit the welfare office in a different sheet at another time under a different name.

Foreign countries often have birth certificates that can be bought through corruption or a claim can be made the original records were destroyed by war. At a funeral last year in Winnipeg, I noticed a grave whose occupant was over 120 at death. Did he claim early pension benefits?

Has anyone noticed that the Muslims are using our laws, institutions and sypmpathy from the "Progressives" to slowly "Muslimize" Canada. For their vote, Liberals and NDP will sell our country to Islam and Islamofascism. I refuse to be Muslim!!!

Canadians must vehemently protect against this or we will be a rotting, stinking continent like Europe!

This is what you get for voting LIBERAL!

I live on 15,000 a year and love it.Of course I could have worked my ass off and now be living on much more,but if I having a ball now,how much bigger balls could I have.Somewhere there, there is a thought.?Ya think?

So whats to prevent me an atypical Canadian from taking multiple wives? I thought it was illegal, That's it I'm doing it!

"Has anyone noticed that the Muslims are using our laws, institutions and sypmpathy from the "Progressives" to slowly "Muslimize" Canada. For their vote, Liberals and NDP will sell our country to Islam and Islamofascism. I refuse to be Muslim!!!

Canadians must vehemently protect against this or we will be a rotting, stinking continent like Europe!"

Don't worry, when this excuse for a democratic country becomes the sesspoll you rightly envision and that a few of the welfare breaded fruitcakes blow up a few petards in the Good old melting pot down south...The Yanks will come over and take the keys away from Ottawa. It will only require a few jets, a hand full of tanks and 5000 troops for an overnight takeover.

...Some days, I can hardly wait.

How do you wake up a Canuck?

You can't.

ummm.

jus do it the british way - they offer the regular amount for 1 wife, and a fraction of it for the rest.

is immigration canada asleep at the wheel? thos schmucks give canadians entering the country a hard time everytime they enter, but they seem to be quite inept at their real job. i always assumed it was because most of those idiots at the airport were just jealous that some of us have enough disposable income to travel, but i guess it just boils down to plain old stupidity on their part.

seriously, they re really quite pathetic - even the americans with their heightened sense of security are politer and ask less question about how many boxers you ve purchased from other countries.

New York National Guard, Mr. Grind sir.

By the way, did you know you have more practical freedom to do things and own things as a -visitor- in the USA than you do as a citizen in Canada? That really smokes my salmon.

"Why work?"

Uh, Mark, are you married? Because the toilet paper bill alone from four women can bankrupt a working guy. Especially since no brand other than Charmin will do.

The evidence mounts all over the world:

Dhimmitude is a very real phenomenon.

Islamization is very real and accelerating.

It's politically incorrect to say so, but say so we must.

If the Far Left can fabricate unfounded accusations, out of hatred and nothing more, against Christians supposedly "wanting to impose their values on everyone" (in a country founded on Christian principles, ironically), then surely it's got to be perfectly acceptable to raise the alarm, armed with irrefutable evidence, that radical, imperialist, supremacist Muslims are conspiring to impose their oppressive, discriminatory ideology onto everyone.

To say so isn't "Islamophobia", nor is it "hatred" or any of that stuff.

To say so is about keeping our freedom, democracy, the rule of democratically-made law and human rights.

Seem to remember back during the US / Somalia war , that some warlord named "Said" who officially resided in London ON, was busy killing American soldiers in Somalia, he was also collecting welfare on his 6 or 7 wives. We sucker taxpayers were also buying these same wives airplane tickets for the wives to go back to warlord Said so they could give them our money personally in Somalia.

Said is dead ,now.

I've been told all the wives still live in London Ontario and still suck our system.

Miss.Mat: OT here but that was only 1 game, they(leafs) had a spaz. Things should return to normal this weekend.

A while back there was a email circulating Re: Immigrants recieve more Monies from Social Assistance & welcome to Canada in their first year Then Seniors (that have worked & paid their share of taxes & in to the CPP since its inception) recieve in a year on their CPP Pensions.
I thought this is only another email load of crap circulating, Iam seeing most likely not now.

*
t.s. eliot said it best..."this is how the world ends,
not with a bang, but a whimper".

bye-bye canada.

*

I'll second that neo -- bye Canada! Good to know you once...

BryanR,

We don't win many, so if we have to choose our spots a win over the Habs is the best.

What is it with the whiny fans at the Bell Centre, btw? Always expecting a penalty to be called for incidental- and even non- contact, and booing when the ref correctly ignores their protestations. They boo offside calls, they boo Colaiacovo being hurt ... what a whiny bunch.

I know it's an American owner, but are the fans American too? I'd expect that kind of behaviour in a non-hockey US town, but Montreal? C'mon, you're embarassing yourselves.

That would be the same Mumtaz Ali who wrote this:

Apostasy - "According to Muslim Law, a male apostate, or murtadd, is liable to be put to death if he continue obstinate in his error"

Ikrimah relates that some apostates were brought to the Khalifa Ali, and he burnt them alive; but Ibn Abbas heard of it and said that the Khalifa had not acted rightly, for the Prophet had said "Punish not with God's punishment (i.e., fire), but whosoever changes his religion, kill him with the sword." (emphasis added)

For instance, whenever a major natural calamity (eg. earthquake, flood, fire, or famine, etc.) occurs in some part of the world, people from all over the world rush in to help alleviate the sufferings of the unfortunate victims. This principle, which is applied in this example to suffering of a physical, material nature, must be extended in its application to similar devastating dimensions of the emotional injuries which are inflicted upon the victims of blasphemy. For nothing can cause more destruction or havoc to the universal tolerance of people especially with respect to religious matters than this despicable capital crime.

http://www.am770chqr.com/station/blog_the_world_tonight.cfm?bid=4037&m=10&y=2006

Gypsy: "...are using...Progressives to slowly "Muslimize" Canada"

I'd add: "and mormonize". Can you imagine the florist bill on Valentines? Yikes.

Scene: Saint-Rémi Cemetery, Quebec.

The February air is crisp as I'm surrounded by Gaul surnames carved into stone, their lives reduced to Born....Died.....
The snow crunching under my boots the only sound offered as I make my way to the gray burial chamber.
Trudeau: October 18, 1919-September 28, 2000...I have arrived.
I pull off my gloves, and with a quick check, I am alone.
zzzzziiiiippp
The gray stone of the chamber darkens as steam rises, and a crooked smile of satisfaction comes across my face knowing my mark will stay until the Spring.
My quest finished.
The headlights of my truck point West.....I long for home.

Wow what a lucky guy getting 4 wives. I can hardly keep one happy. One law for all!

Sean -- I have been to a few Muslim countries, with no sign of toilet paper anywhere in the WC's. I was warned to bring my own.
Miss. Matt -- What happens in T.O. on ground hog day? 8 more weeks of bad hockey. Ha.

Conn writes: "When the same sex marriage stuff was happening there were all sorts of arguments made for legalizing polygamy (don't understand the link between the 2..."

The courts overturned the definition of marriage as being between "one man and one woman". What, then, would the argument be for forbidding marriage between one man and four women or three women and two men, etc.

Or one man and three camels, Roseberry. I mean, once his head is in the tent...

Was it really only a couple of years ago that we were all being assured by the Chattering Classes that "no one is talking about polygamy anyway!!!" when we raised the issue re: gay marriage?

So Kathy, this raises an interesting question.

If a Muslim man in Toronto marries three camels, as seems to be his incontestable right, will he get the baby bonus check for the "children" of all three wives? Or just the first one? And does artificial insemination count, or will he have to adopt them?

Conversely, if a White man marries three camels will he get jail time or community service?

Canada is known the world over as the easiest to obtain, and the most generous welfare benefits available.

True story. My brother was involved with installing some wiring in a hospital in Somalia. Laying under the floor, he overheard a conversation between a few locals. They were debating which country to go to as refugees. In no short order, Canada was the chosen(lucky us) country for these refugee scam artists to bilk.

Known for peacekeeping, my arse. We are known as an easy target when it comes to pigging(sorry muzzies) at the trough.

So what the hell happened to the "self supporting" part of immigration? I've known a few immigrants who have had to line up for years and prove self sufficiency before they were allowed to immigrate. I know because they were extremely ticked off at the " Get in free" by the boatload refugee program in BC.

Ever think of emmigrating to Oz? I thought about retiring to Australia until I read the fine print: basically you have to prove you are not going to be a burden on the Australian society and be able to pay your own way (including health insurance). Heck, just to visit you need a $10k bond or a return ticket. They don't take kindly to freeloaders.

"Saint-Rémi Cemetery, Quebec."
Thank you Rednik!

richfisher,

Your welcome...just a little fantasy of mine.

A couple of years back, when our family was touring Turkey, my dear wife asked our tour guide about polygamous muslim marriage. His reply was that their religion was very specific and firm in that the man was required to be able to support all of his wives or it was not allowed. He further stated that this particular qualification was the reason that polygamous marriage was not a regular occurrence. I wonder what the Imams of these adherents have to say about these men living off of the government welfare of their wives rather than supporting them as required by their religious laws.

It looks like the only real hurdle to run this scam is get a legalized Muslim ceremony abroad.

I am sure for a price there is a cleric that would do it.

Is the federal goverment going to come up with a test for who is Muslim and who isnt.
Sniff sniff "you smell like bacon and booze you are not a Muslim!"

"no offence Mark but 5 people on $72k per year.

I would still have to work."

Right of center,

Don't worry, they have other sources of income, but why forgo the government largess, it's so easy to get. And don't forget those people have no guilt. They are not us!

"Under Islamic law, a Muslim man is permitted to have up to four spouses."

Under Canadian law, you can only have 1. I don't give a sh#t about Islamic law. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing.

I wish our governments would snap out of it and do what we elected them to do. That includes upholding our laws - the laws the people made, not some judge with a messiah complex. If the "progressives" sitting as Supreme Court justices refuse to accept the will of the people, then out they go.

Re: "So whats to prevent me, an atypical Canadian from taking multiple wives? Posted by: bob at February 8, 2008 1:27 PM"

Well, good sense, one would hope;)

Where are all the apologists on this thread?

Heh, reminds me of this fable I heard on Addler awhile back.........it would be funny if it was not so true in CanuckSTAN.

"CLASSIC VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a
fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the
ant is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so
he dies out in the cold.

THE END

THE CANADIAN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a
fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the
ant is warm and well fed. So far, so good, eh?

The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why
the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less
fortunate, like him, are cold and starving.

The CBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper;
with cuts to a video of the ant in his comfortable warm home with a table
laden with food.

Canadians are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty.

The NDP, the CAW and the Coalition Against Poverty demonstrate in front of
the ant's house. The CBC, interrupting an Inuit cultural festival special
from Nunavut with breaking news, broadcasts them singing 'We Shall
Overcome.'

Jack Layton rants in an interview with Mike Duffy that the ant has gotten
rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on
the ant to make him pay his 'fair share'.

In response to polls, the Conservative Government drafts the Economic Equity
and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the
summer.

The ant's taxes are reassessed, and he is also fined for failing to hire
grasshoppers as helpers.

Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed
retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

The ant moves to the US, and starts a successful agribiz company.

The CBC later shows the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of the
ant's food, though spring is still months away, while the government house
he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around
him because he hasn't bothered to maintain it.

Inadequate government funding is blamed, Bob Rae is appointed to head a
commission of enquiry that will cost $10,000,000.

The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose, the Toronto Star blames
it on the obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair
arising from social inequity.

The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders, praised
by the government for enriching Canada's multicultural diversity, who
promptly set up a welfare scam(my edit) and terrorize the community.

THE END"

And here in Alberta "ED" is building 11,000 new low cost homes, after stealing billions from the oil industry to do it!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2007/10/29/homeless-announcement.html

nothing to see here folks, move along......

T S Elliot may have been the original author of the line, but the guy who deliberately screwed this country up big time, also used it as the title to his last book -

Not with a Bang, But With a Whimper - Pierre Trudeau.

The end of Canada.

The evil men do lives after them.

How did these extra wife's get pass immigration? This country only allows one spouse so they must have lied on the forms, other wise they would not be here. Its against the law in Canada period. Why our government put up with this crap these people is beyond me. These people are not good immigrants if they are on welfare. Send them back to the land of continual protest instead of work. And take there extra women with them. Buy the way were is the womens groups protesting this?

Seem to remember Mark Steyn writing in "America Alone" (can't check - passed the book on to alarm someone else) that he was a bit bemused that liberals were so complacent since for somebody who is conservative Islamic rule wouldn't necessarily be a big deal. "just grow my beard, marry another wife and keep my head down" is a paraphrase of what he wrote.

However, for the feminists and the gays Islamic rule would definitely rain on their parade.

It is against the law in Canada, for a review board to ask an immigrant applying for refugee status, if they are lying or have lied on their application.

All the rules, every single one of them, were written by an immigration lawyer.
Immigration lawyers make less money, if less immigrants are let into Canada. Conversely, immigration lawyers get paid more, if more immigrants are let into Canada.

Whoa, there, buds. Before we go shutting down this good thing, let's see if we can get one of these Muslim fellers to marry my wife and take her off my hands.

kakola - a great Rodney Dangerfield post. LOL.

But, back to another point, I guess because my husband and I had only girls I think he would have jumped off a bridge if one more estrogen unit entered our house. The poor guy never was allowed to linger in a bathroom long and God help him if he offered some lame domestic advice like a color or fashion opinion. Harems aren't a good thing for most real men which leads me to the whole Muslim male pathological polygamy thing, it's just another one of their stupid macho male cultural things of theirs.

kakola,

In their 'religon' they have every right to take your wife as a spoil of war. And in doing so, your marriage is not recognized and therefore dissolved. You might not like your wife, but do you like their arrogant sense of allah given rights over yours?

It's the Islamic ideology that needs to be defeated with extreme prejudice.

Nothing new here folks. Fifteen years ago, while working at a banking branch in an area with a high Somali population, welfare day was always a treat. The "family" would drive up in their Toyota or Honda, and one by one each woman (frequenly pregnant) would come into the bank to cash her cheque. And we're not talking small change here. Most cheques were in the region of $2,000-$3,000! Each of these women were "single" mothers. Then the father would come in with his cheque - not nearly so kind to dear old dad, as his "single" status only allowed benefits of about $600. However, depending on how many women were in each of these "families" their take was between $3,000 and $10,000 per month! And the best is that they were all living in subsidised housing. Had to you know, they were "poor single mothers." As they left the bank, each woman would hand over her "eanings" to the male. Quite a system.
We knew there were multiple families all living under the same roof.
We knew they were collecting welfare fraudulently.
But, none of us in the bank could do anything about, restricted as we were by confidentiality laws.
What made this even more obscene is that none of them was a Canadian citizen. And to add insult to injury, many of the men had jobs where they were paid in cash under the table. They took and they took and they continue to take. And we open our pockets - whether we want to or not!

Grrrrrrrh; I was in a good mood and now I'm kicking the furniture. What the hell is happening to my country. I gotta go piss on trudeau's grave again. Maybe that will make me feel just a bit better.

CConn- Is this what you're remembering?
http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200602030805.asp

Bailey has been working on abolishing marriage. Polygamy is the next step. The Muslims are just being helpful.

Come on Kate... Muslim men having 4 wives in Toronto... This can't be true... especially if they are collecting welfare for all the wives.... Give me some proof..

Why hasn't the MSM reported this.. Are they on the take...

Maybe Mansbridge has a harem too. Maybe that's why we haven't heard of this.

Why hasn't W5 or The Fifth Estate done a story on this?

Don't the MSM know about this stuff, or is it that they don't care or they are afraid of being called racist (even though Muslim isn't a race).

This is making me depressed. I feel like taking this to the Human Rights Commission because it is offending me.

Where are the women's groups again?

It seems that Womens' Rights Groups are only vocal if the "bad guy" is a poor shlubby bewildered white guy. When the heads start getting lopped-off they apparently run for cover.

Have I missed something somewhere? Please enlighten me.

"It's like the Tcechs, Russians and Roumanians who are controlling much of Toronto's poll dancers/female slave prostitution rings: They want more of their women in so they can exploit them here...They use to go see Judy Sgro (Liberal Immigration Minister) for that. And BTW: Most all the cash made here from this lucrative business is transfered into US greenback and smuggled back to the cartels of those countries. I know, a cop told me. So that money is not even reinvested in Canada!"

You think that's bad. Try living in Britain where the EU dissolved borders. Some months back we had a Slovak gypsy arrive. He has been in Britain for ten years collecting welfare cheques because he is "incapacitated" Originally he made a bullshit asylum claim because he was "persecuted" in Slovakia. Tens of thousands of scabs like this turned up every year in Britain from 1997 on. Immigration in 1997 couldn't turn them back to the crap hole they came from because they said the magic word "asylum" so the British taxpayer then picks up the tab. However to return to our story. The Slovak had with him a girl on a fake Slovak ID. She was from outside the EU. Now it transpires the Slovak runs a brothel in Britain and aside from collecting welfare for ten years is known for being a pimp and bringing in illegal immigrants. He sends the profits back to Slovakia. In a sensible country he would be locked up for a few years then deported to Slovakia. Not in Britain though. He is allowed in because "He's European and we can't stop Europeans coming to the UK" such is the state of Britain now. As for Somalis well I think a recent program summed it up for me. They interviewed some deadbeat living in a council house in London. She had I believe six kids. She was bitching because she "only" received £30,000 a year ($60,000) in welfare. I once heard someone describe Somalis as locusts and I know know what they meant. There are no accurate figures for the numbers of Somalis in Britain and the government would not publish the numbers receiving welfare but from what I have seen it must run into the tens if not hundreds of thousands and by my reckoning the vast majority are on welfare.
As former US President Ford once remarked. "If you pay people to be poor you will never run out of poor people"

The Ontario Family Law Act:

Polygamous marriages

(2) In the definition of "spouse", a reference to marriage includes a marriage that is actually or potentially polygamous, if it was celebrated in a jurisdiction whose system of law recognizes it as valid. R.S.O. 1990, c. F.3, s. 1 (2).

http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/f-3/20040802/whole.html

What about the legislation in other provinces. Where do they stand?

Apologists not necessary, Kate. But the debunkers are here.

http://www.stageleft.info/2008/02/09/the-frother-the-stunned-and-the-wholly-gross-in-harmony/#comment-130636

"If You build It They Will Come". Trudeau built it, the Charter of rights and Freedoms, they have come and are still coming with all the baggage of Islam. They all have the same rights and even more than we do. How free can they get after being allowed to float around the streets like witches at Halloween and men being allowed four wives all in the name of religion? That's a freedom we wouldn't be allowed in Islamic regimes. Try walking down any street in Saudi Arabia or Iran in shorts and see how long you'll last if you're a woman.

bountiful BC. and alternative lifestyles. looks like the welfare trick is universal.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_poly1.htm

I think people are outraged by the wrong part of this story. If marriage were not involved, each individual (pre-assuming they are entitled to benefits) would receive their own welfare benefits.

If the five people lived together and did not have jobs, they would all receive individual benefits. Assuming you think receiving welfare benefits is fair (an entirely different point), this should not be a problem. If the individuals were mutually self-supporting and pooled their wealth, but were not married, should they each receive less? No. Now let's say they are all in some five-way conjugal relationship (but not married). Should that affect their benefits if they are all still poor? No. If five gay men got together in a home and each had sex all of the others and they had no jobs, it should not affect their total benefits. Therefore, the fact that these people are married should not affect their benefits.

I think the welfare aspect of it, from the perspective of their marriage, is irrelevant. What is relevant is the following:

a. these men should not be allowed to bring multiple wives to the country, regardless of whether or not they can be supported, because we do not accept polygamy;

b. we should not allow in immigrants who are not self-supporting (especially if they bring an entire family);

c. non-citizens should not be entitled to benefits; and

d. polygamists in our society should be prosecuted because it is against the law.

The point to note is that there is no "welfare trick" associated with the polygamy in this case. The problem is not with the fact that individuals are entitled to receive benefits, but with polygamy and immigrants who are not self-supporting.

Andrew Grieve: Good post. Definitely no social benefits for new immigrants. It's a abuse-magnet.

If I may add a couple:

e) we should get rid of the relatively recent concept of family re-unification in favour of skills and potential to contribute economically.

f) end immigration from clearly dangerous 3rd world Muslim countries like Pakistan.

g) there should be some kind of social contract; breathe a single word about sharia law, out you go; commit 3rd-world "honour" murders, go to jail for a long time, then go home.

U.K. pays price of polygamy
...As in Canada, polygamy is illegal in Britain. The punishment there is seven years in jail -- it's five in Canada. The U.K.'s immigration law -- like Canada's -- doesn't allow men to bring multiple wives into the country.

"It sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in U.K. law and the benefits system," Conservative critic Chris Grayling told the Telegraph.

The same week the British government was defending its decision to pay polygamous men $66.37 a month for every additional spouse as "the best possible option," the United Nations urged Saudi Arabia to end the practice of polygamy because it runs contrary to the principles of equality.

It seems while women in the developing world are pushing for an end to the discriminatory and demeaning practice, politicians in the developed world are lurching towards acceptance.

Muslims aren't yet a powerful political force in Canada. But they soon could be. In 2001, there were 579,600 Muslims in Canada, according to Statistics Canada. That's slightly more than twice the number of Sikhs in Canada and nearly double the number of Jews.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the country, with the number of Muslims doubling from 1991 to 2001.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=ffac802c-71c7-432e-ac30-144723754d34