I recommend a hotrod refit of your snowblower with a 13 horse motor from Princess Auto. If we go back the the kind of snow we used to get around here when I was a kid, you'll need the extra power to get the snow over the banks beside your driveway. Mine moved even the ignorant snowcone/sleet nightmare crap that fell wet yesterday and froze hard as rock last night. Vive la Princess Auto!

But Kate, no fair using actual measurements eh? This is all supposed to be done with models. You know, like Star Wars.

No way!

Wouldn't you know it!

I really {really really} hate the cold, now cold without electricity and running water and fun stuff to do like cooking and such is not what I want to experience.
Uh, can we go for the warming instead? Honestly, that'd be my preference.

And here I was just starting to look forward to global warming.

Hey gang we gotta fight this thing. Get a coal furnace, and buy your wife and kids A Navigator each. Let's all get back to half summerfallow, and turn that sequestered carbom loose. Above all get those cows burping and farting. THIS IS SERIOUS.

We never did get any of our promised Global warming here in the Yukon, now Am I supposed to let global cooling happen without a fight?? I'm with you Len Pryor. I am feeling cheated.
This must be another one of GW Bush's 'tricks' - making Ahal Gore look stupid - AGAIN! "We" are not amused.

I'd better get a power ice auger, or ice fishing is going to be more like hard work.

I am in shock. Kate, are you trying to tell me that the leftarded enviroidiots were wrong again? This cannot be true. Fruit fly the moron, wrong? Lizzy, I hate crusaders, May, wrong? Bombardion(I named my dog Kyoto, so shut up and let me raise taxes)the great, wrong?

Holy crap, and I was just about ready to sell my boat, buy a euro weenie push mower, and move my family to a cave.

Whewwwwwwww, that was a close one!

What LameStreamMedia paper did you read or hear this in? Hmmm?

By the way, rhe Russians have been saying this for a while, we can't always sneer at them.

Oh and like I said in another thread, better start thinking about how your offspring will migrate to the US.

So which one is it? Sunscreen or thermal underwear? Once 'Big Science' makes up it's mind, please let us know.

You neo-con Chimpymcbushitler rednecked racist fools, don't you realize that worker-exploiting, Big Oil fascist sponsored global warming can cause global cooling? Every correct thinking leftist KNOWS that global warming can cause global cooling, in the same way that we can spend our way out of debt, make people wealthier by taxing them more, reduce crime by not punishing criminals or promote third world development and women's rights by turning their countries over to misogynist, mediaeval barbarians. And don't oppose my free speech about these simple truths or I'll have you jailed!

DrD: You forgot to mention Halliburton in your comments.

Speaking of jailing people, did that apply only to politicians, or does it include activists too? Perhaps Mr. Suzuki has something there - jail anyone who ignores science - that would put away pretty much all the enviroleft and likely make society a better place.

Just a thought.

Actually, a new sunspot cycle has just started, so we should see solar activity rise again:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science/2008/01/14/esa_new_sunspot_cycle_has_started/2325/

Anyway, I'm not taking any chances. I'll be outside cutting more wood!

that solar activity back in mid Jan was a false start.

The sun is sleeping.

Probably doing it just to spite The Goreacle & Dr. Fruit Fly.

The Sun is little quiet right now but the magnetic field flux is at a normal level for the bottom of the cycle.

The Sun is likely heading into a period of lower than normal activity but there is nothing indicating a major Maunder Minimum Little Ice Age event is developing. Maybe for the next solar cycle in 11 years.

I missed posting this a few days ago.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080206.html

I was wondering if we could start up an intergalactic helium/hydrogen credit scheme.

Dion would say: I cans't beleeeve dat Harper isns't doiung nuting about da sun....we Libberal pardy havde a plan...weee cuntrol dat partz of de univerzer as wulll. Does harrper hadve a plun....

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Only a massive increase in the greenhouse effect will save us from the freezing cold future. Everyone needs to pass more gas.

The Liberals actually do have a plan for this. They are opposed to any direct effort to fight global cooling, but they want lots of scientists to monitor the situation and emerge occasionally from their heated huts to hand out mitts and hot chocolate.

The sun has something to do with the earth's temperature? Who would have thought that? It just can't be true. Al Gore, the man who knows everything despite not doing very well in college, says that it's all due to driving cars (except his) and taking airplane trips (except his), and he knows best.

Phantom wrote --

I recommend a hotrod refit of your snowblower with a 13 horse motor from Princess Auto.

A new Princess Auto just opened down the road from us. I was looking at piston air compressors when a disquieting thought came over me: the last person who touched this thing at the factory, very likely, was shot in the back of the head at the end of their shift. And probably had their organs harvested. And what was left was plasticised and is now on display in the KidsDiscovery! hall at a science centre somewhere.

The whole place really gives me the willies.

So does Canadian Tire, now that I think about it, and for pretty much the same reason.

There is a book called 'The little ice age', you can get it on Amazon. Should make pretty eye opening reading for the Suzukian cult followers http://www.amazon.com/Little-Ice-Age-Climate-1300-1850/dp/product-description/0465022715

A cartoon image comes to mind.
I can just see the Goracle and Soozooki wrestling life jackets from women and children on the deck of the AGW Titanic just after it hits a supposed non-existent "iceberg".

I find the people on this site so naive. To actually believe that something as far away as the sun could affect our climate is absurd. We warmed the planet up through our carbon emmisions and that is a prove fact. Unless Harper cuts the 2-3% of world carbon emmisions, we make, to virtually zero, there will be no global cooling.

Sarcasm off

Trevor,
Seen many 19 year old doom and gloomers like you come and go since the last big global climate fear mongering of the 70's.
Just once I would like the opportunity to kick people like your in the @ss for the damage done after you were proven wrong.
Of course that never happens because the left is never accountable for what it does.
Whatch out for that bogey man underneath your bed.

Here is a site with the historical sun spot numbers.
As you can tell 1957 was the highest peak ever recorded. 4 out of the last 5 peaks are in the top 5 peaks ever.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/sun/sscycle.html

John said:
"The Sun is little quiet right now but the magnetic field flux is at a normal level for the bottom of the cycle."

This is the longest the sun has stayed quite between cycles. We have been at these levels for about a year now. What concerns me is the fact that the "on ramp" is always faster than the "off ramp"
So far there is no "on ramp" to this cycle.
Sun spot #982 decayed rather quickly, but had some of the largest magnetic filaments ever seen. Yes, we have now started the new cycle, but I am not buying the prediction that it will be twice as big as the last one. (as predicted in March 2006)

Another good space web site:
http://www.spaceweather.com/

Cheers

Lickmuffin, I try to stick with the stuff that says "Made In Taiwan". They actually pay their guys, and the merchandise tends not to self destruct.

Honda 13 horse motor, $995.00. Power Fist motor (made with the exact same castings, sheet metal, paint, in the same factory by the same crew) $339.00. Kinda makes you say hmmmmn.

Besides, trying to find a compressor that says "Made in Canada" or even "Made in USA" on it is going to be a looooong search. Where do you think Ingersol-Rand does their manufacturing these days? Their stuff says "Assembled in USA".

Still, you have to give the Chicoms credit. They are certainly doing their part to stave off global warming by increasing sunshine reflecting particulates in the upper atmosphere. Last satellite shot I saw showed their exhaust plume stretching right across the Pacific to California.

"...including the Black Death’s depopulation of tree-cutting Europeans"

Ummm... is that part science too??

"There is a book called 'The little ice age', you can get it on Amazon. Should make pretty eye opening reading for the Suzukian cult followers"
Posted by: Aaron at February 8, 2008 10:33 AM

Aaron, I agree that there is eye-opening reading for the Suzuki crowd, if they actually read the whole book. What I don't understand is how the author, Brian Fagan, can so carefully document the climate change that occurred between 1300 and 1850, and then, in certain sections of the book, indicate that he actually believes the Suzuki crowd on AGW. See, for example page 50, first paragraph, and pages 215-217. Other than those parts, its a damned good read.

Wait... I'm confused. Haven't you guys just saying that global warming has more to do with the sun getting hotter? How does this jive now that one single study comes out and says we may be heading into a cooling period?

Once again... let's just forget about all those melting glaciers, the massive influx of the pine beatle, dying coral reefs, an arctic free of ice, and the fact that anyone over 30 has personally witnessed warming in their lifetime.

To be sure, there are many factors contributing to warming an cooling. But the fact remains that we should probably be aware that our actions are altering the composition of the atmosphere.

To argue that pumping billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere that has been locked in rock since the Carboniferous Period can't possible have any impact on our climate if goofy to say the least.

Of course... if you believe that there was no such thing as the carboniferous period, and that "god" just put the coal there for us to burn, I can see why you're confused.

carboniferous period, you are simple, there is way more carbon locked up in Devonian, just because coal is C ++++ doesnt mean there isnt more C in the CaCO3. most carbon is in the oceans not on the thin bit of land.

we are 0.03% CO2 in the atmosphere that 0.0003 fraction, man accounts for 3% of that , thats 0.03 fraction , so the atmospheric CO2 caused by man is 0.00009. a pi$$ in a pool.

the rise in temperature is 0.2 C in 100 years. well within any error bars.

all the oil reserves in the world would not fill lake Ontario. if you burnt all the oil reserves in the world on the bottom of the pacific ocean instantaneously you could not raise the temperture by 1degree. thats heat not C02.

get a carbon pencil and do the calculations yourself.

Now speaking of ahem, "experts" and their outstanding abilities of being an expert .... here's another one just blown off the "oh the poor starving polar bears" sympathy express.

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=020808A

snip: One polar bear expert specified variables, relationships, and inputs. The same expert then made adjustments until the forecasts conformed to his expectations. In effect, then, Amstrup's forecasts were the opinions of a single expert (himself) unaided by forecasting principles. Much research has shown that unaided expert opinions are not valid for forecasting in situations with high complexity and much uncertainty, as is the case with the polar bear population.

"...including the Black Death’s depopulation of tree-cutting Europeans"

Does this mean that Europeans that did not cut trees had immunity to the Black Death?

Um, wouldn't a solar downturn bring extreme weather and snow to the Southern Hemisphere as well?

Northern-hemispherists!

(Then again, who cares about Australia anyway?)

Yo John!

Not surprised you're confused.

Do some research and remind us where CO2 ranks in greenhouse gases and what percentage it is?

So which one is it? Sunscreen or thermal underwear?

Posted by: Eskimo

Eskimo -- it's thermal sunscreen.

You're welcome.

John:

"....can't possible have any impact on our climate if goofy to say the least...."

Actually given the very low percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere, I would say it's the other way around. What we do know about CO2 is that there is a diminishing return relationship to the capture of infrared relative to CO2 content in the atmosphere.

As noted in an earlier post, the recently proposed concept of a cool period during the Cretaceous has the climate scientists scratching their heads. The evidence for Antarctic glaciation in this period is challenging the current wisdom on how climate works, enough such that they are willing to entertain the thought that our current theory of CO2 hothouses might be wrong.

Regards, BRK

anyone over 30 has personally witnessed warming in their lifetime

Is this an intended invocation of selective memory from those open to suggestion or not paying attention?

Watch the weasel words and those that use them carefully. It's sometimes hard to spot.

Isn't this called the sunspot cycle? Or does this 'lack of solar activity' overlap the period of the sunspot cycle we are in? I guess I'll have to go look ... Otherwise I guess I'll party like its 1979 ;) brrrrrr

yeah ... sunspot cycle. First spot was observed the other day but the size of the cycle is widely disputed and we should get a couple of colder years before the sun ramps up to get us back to somewhere a little warmer. I hesitate to say normal but let's just hope we don't waste any money on a deep sea port in Iqaluit ;D

"does this 'lack of solar activity' overlap the period of the sunspot cycle we are in?"

No, the lack of solar activity is because of where we are in the sunspot cycle.
What is interesting about this change from cycle 23 to cycle 24 is the fact that we rarely stay at this low level as long as we have, and the last 3 cycles haven't fallen this low.
It was assumed that the 10.7 cm Solar Flux could not drop below 73. But we have seen it drop to 67 in this last minimum. Not too much fun for the guys who are into HF and MF radio.
More info on the 10.7 solar flux:
http://www.dxlc.com/solar/

Check out: http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Sun/SunspotsTwinPeaks.html
for more information on cycle 23.

ooopppsss...SDA gets it wrong again...

http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2008/02/09/6488/

[...]

But I’m not a scientist. I just do basic research. And, when I noticed that the IBD never actually directly quoted Dr. Tapping, and only talked about him (all of the direct quotes come from R. Timothy Patterson, a fairly well-known AGW denier), I decided to do something that the “fine journalists” over at IBD couldn’t be bothered to do: I contacted Dr. Tapping directly and asked him about it. Dr. Tapping responds:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the message. The stuff on the web came from a casual chat with someone who managed to misunderstand what I said and then put the result on the web, which is probably a big caution for me regarding the future.

It is true that the beginning of the next solar cycle is late, but not so late that we are getting worried, merely curious.

It is the opinion of scientists, including me, that global warming is a major issue, and that it might be too late to do anything about it already. If there is a cooling due to the solar activity cycle laying off for a bit, then the a period of solar cooling could be a much-needed respite giving us more time to attack the problem of greenhouse gases, with the caveat that if we do not, things will be far worse when things turn on again after a few decades. However, once again it is early days and we cannot at the moment conclude there is another minimum started.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Regards,

Ken

[...]

so when will you retract your post?

Sean:
"It is the opinion of scientists, including me,"

It is not the opinion of all scientists. In fact, all scientists, by definition, are skeptics. Read the title of the post.

He goes on to say:
"... things will be far worse when things turn on again after a few decades. However, once again it is early days and we cannot at the moment conclude there is another minimum started."

Which means the GIGO , parameterized, incapable of actually solving the equations involved (which we do not fully and completely know yet and likely never will but we keep that quiet) computer model I have been using says that, in one of its solutions, things could get warmer.

Settled science indeed.

way too completely miss the point Johann....

You to, Sean.

So....this whole article was bullshit. What a waste of bandwidth.

Thanks for coming out though, guys.

Sean S. misses the point badly here. The "official" position of the IPCC is that solar effects aren't worth including in the models, since they are insignificant relative to GHG and other forcings. Yet here have an admission that solar effects can overpower GHG warming, perhaps even for decades.

There seems to be some confusion currently in the pro-AGW faction. In any case the current cooling is evidence that that climate change is not the imminent crisis it is proclaimed to be.

As further evidence of confusion in the pro-AGW ranks, consider the recent comment at realclimate.org in the Cretaceous glaciation posting:

"Could it be that the glaciation is telling us that we are completely barking up the wrong tree with the CO2 theory of hothouse climates? Perhaps, but somebody will have to pony up a quantifiable alternative before that avenue can be pursued..."

The first sentence is rather revealing in that it admits atmospheric physics is clearly not the settled science it's purported to be. But then we kind of knew that already since the GCM models are not doing a great job at predicting tropospheric warming, and polar amplification in Anarctica.

BRK