Don't relate to the most time honoured legal system in the world? How to they relate to deportation?

You do know that Tony Blair is no longer the PM, right?
And the Archbishop doesn't speak for the PM, which is Gordon Brown.

You did know this right?

He's got it backwards: the British legal system is not being applied to some British residents.

I wonder what would happen if that were tried?

Quimby, I realize Liberals and Dippers need things spelt out so they don't get confused but I presume Kate is making an allegory between what is happening in British society today and that Blair's progressive, offend no one, nanny state gobbly gook he shoveled down everyone's throat during his term in office is kind of what set it up. Make sense now...good

I suspect sharia law runs counter to the Magna Carta.

Did the Brits tar & feather their heretics in the past?

If they didn't maybe they should take it under consideration for the current goofy bishop.

Quimby - Don't be an asshat. Yes, we know that Tony Blair is no longer the PM. But the point being made is that under his Prime Ministership immigration of Muslims tro GB skyrocketed to the point where influencial left leaning people, in an attempt to make Muslims happy, are willing to subvert the British justice system and thereby British society as a whole, by allowing a religious organization have its own justice system. Helloooo - earth to Quimby. Does that sound slightly dangerous to you?

Quimby, we are talking about a religious organization that sees little value in women and has many of its leaders (Imams) preaching death to infidels. When a leader like the Archbishop of Canterbury says it is time to let the Muslims have their own justice system well, lets just say that the thin edge of the wedge is being inserted. It is only a matter of time before more leftards, wanting to appease the oppressed, support this same insanity.

Give it them in GB and Muslims the world over will want to have it where they are. There will demands on our Canadian Government for Sharia Law in Canada. The Canadian Muslim Congress is already advocating it. Think back to not that long ago (a couple of months maybe) a Muslim father choked his daughter to death because she shamed the family by just being a "normal" teen ager. In many Muslim countries Sharia Law allows this type of thing to happen without punishment. Is that what you want in Canada?

The Archbishop of Canterbury is an absolute idiot for advocating such lunacy.

Stop all this crazy talk. Next you'll be telling me that the UK provides welfare benefits to multiple wives of Islamic men.

Nope, no threat to western civilization and tradition here. Move along...

Seriously, this leftard should be hung for treason.

"Tony Blair's Britain" is a recurring topic heading, like "The Sound of Settled Science". It allows readers of SDA to immediately zero-in on the topic at hand.

Just give them Britian as their homeland. Offer free airfare for the muslims over here who just can't adopt to our way of life because of their religion. That works for me.

Actually, the Archbishop is right; some of its citizens do indeed not relate to the British legal system. They include various criminals fined or jailed for such interesting actions as robbery, manslaughter, break-and-enter and etc.

Now, with that aside, the Archbishop is a relativist idiot. Because someone doesn't 'relate' to your legal system doesn't mean that you change your system to accomodate their beliefs - whether it be the Group Who Are Muslim, or the Group Who Make Their Living Via Selling Drugs, or the Group who Make Their Living via Car Thefts.

Britain is going to have to wake up and decide for itself whether everyone is equal before the law, ie, whether it wants a common law or an unequal relativist legal system.

He may have repeated it today but he said months ago.

The next Archbishop of Cantebury should be Mr. Bean.

Brown could correct Britian*s wayward navigation by wrenching the near comatose bishops, arched and otherwise, out of their Ivory Towers for a short Padre stint of about six weeks in Afghanistan.

Sharia law would not have an iota of a chance after said 6 weeks. = TG

There's a revealing quote from the Archbishop in the article:

"They should not imagine, either, that we know exactly what we mean by Sharia and just associate it with ... Saudi Arabia, or whatever," he continued.

Wonderful. The Archbishop has no clear idea what he means by sharia law, other than that it shouldn't be as nasty as the version practiced in Saudi Arabia.

This reminds me of Aboriginal leaders angrily denouncing anyone who asks for a clear definiton of self-government, other than to say that it's just one of those policies that can't be "pre-defined".

Kind of like signing up for a bank loan and being told to come back in six weeks to find out what interest rate you'll be charged. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand who benefits from an arrangement like that.

Maybe it's time to reverse the Reformation. The Pope isn't a dhimmi.

Wasn't it just last week that the idea was being seriously entertained to extend the dole to all of the Muslim polygamist's wives. It's hard to keep track of all of the dhimmi activites over there.

The next Archbishop of Cantebury should be Mr. Bean.

Because he doesn't talk.

Is this bad sharia or good sharia, Your Grace?

Two sisters wept and their mother screamed abuse when all three were found guilty yesterday of turning a blind eye to the horrific murder of a young woman in their house.

Sabia Rani, 19, was systematically beaten and abused by her husband, Shazad Khan, over three months at the home that they shared in Leeds. When she died she had 15 broken ribs and bruising over 85 per cent of her body and, according to a pathologist, looked like the victim of a catastrophic road accident....

Uzma Khan claimed in evidence at her brother’s trial in January last year that the injuries were caused by evil spirits and black magic. Mr Myerson said: “It is not a question of faith. It is a question of evidence. No scientific report has ever stated that evil spirits could have beaten this woman to death. The evil spirit that beat Sabia Rani was Shazad Khan and Uzma knew that.”...

http://tinyurl.com/2ud96f

Actually, the Archbishop is right; some of its citizens do indeed not relate to the British legal system. They include various criminals fined or jailed for such interesting actions as robbery, manslaughter, break-and-enter and etc.

It was not that long ago that we had a better understanding of our own traditions and history. One would think that an educated English man would know that the original definition of the English word outlaw referred to those who were outside the protection of the law and that the purpose of good law is to protect those within its jurisdiction.

And from this, ... he makes a living?

It is a kinder gentler sharia.

Apparently the Archbishop knows there is a reformation of Islamic law in place....wow...who else knows this?

Tony Blair did in fact appoint this Asshat to his office - Rowan Williams is very much a legacy of Tony's England.

Funny thing is, I really quite liked Blair - I don't think that he was really a bad person, but he was so desperate to "modernize" Britain that he did not understand that he was tearing down so many of the institutions that held UK society together, with out replacing them with functional alternatives. This is typical Progressive beharious - the motives are true and good but the brains are turned off.

That's not to say that all change is bad - but it should be carefully thought out and not rushed into willy-nilly.

We are one bad election result away from having some dipper leftoid trying to ram that stone age philosophy down our throats.

Once again, where are all of the feminists whilst this crap is going on? Muslim women do not deserve the effort? Are all of today's feminists racist or stupid? Or a combination of both?

KEEP YOUR SHARIA LAW OFF OF MY DAUGHTERS' BODIES!

And this time I am serious, as all 3 of my daughters hold British passports.

ET said, "Because someone doesn't 'relate' to your legal system doesn't mean that you change your system to accomodate their beliefs"

I agree - but what we do in the West is change our culture for these people (e.g. references to Christmas, classroom history about the Crusades...etc)

If we constantly relent on cultural matters, then allowing a separate legal system is simply the next step. After all, the West's attitude has been "our accommodation knows no bounds".

And anyway, the C of E has more important ways to save the world, like those freezing Pakistanis and everyone in Canada this winter:
http://tinyurl.com/27bfeq

Here's one for the Archbishop:

An Islamic group based in the UK has issued a death fatwa against a playwright whose London stage production depicts Jesus Christ as a homosexual.

Terrence McNally was sentenced to death by the Shari’ah Court of the UK as his play, Corpus Christi, opened in London on Thursday night.

…The religious edict was signed by Sheik Omar Bakri Muhammad, judge of the Shari’ah Court of the UK.

…The sheik added: “We do not believe in political assassination, but obviously he would face capital punishment.

“He will be arrested and there will be capital punishment.”

He said that under Islamic law, Mr McNally could only escape the fatwa by becoming a Muslim. If he simply repented he would still be killed - but his family would be cared for by the Islamic state.

(my emphasis)

Also at the same site, gay Mohammad pics

Go to archbishopofcanterbury.org and leave a message for the mullah of Canterbury

looks like a temporary measure before the more formal doggy position is taken

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23436195-details/Brown+bans+preacher+who+praised+bombers/article.do

Isn't it traditional to behead the Archbishop of Canterbury? Seems like a good policy.

the Thomas Moore solution you mean?

DirtCrashr,

No the traditional punishment in England for treason is drawing and quartering.

It involves hanging a person but not until dead, disembowelling the person while they live and burning the entrails (which generally finishes off the person in question) followed by cutting the body into 4 pieces which are placed on the four corners of the city walls and the head on a spike at the Tower of London.

I'd say it's time to resurrect the old ways...

... the UK has to "face up to the fact" that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.

So... How do they relate to the penal system?

What foresight! I see our dear archbishop has already grown his wahhabi whiskers!

There's only one possible response:

"SILENCE! I KEEL YOU!"

Do we need any more evidence that the Anglican Church is on its deathbed. Unfortunately I think the disease that is killing it is communicable and is already infecting millions of non-Anglicans who have bought into the so-called "progressive" line of thought.

"Once again, where are all of the feminists whilst this crap is going on? Muslim women do not deserve the effort? Are all of today's feminists racist or stupid? Or a combination of both?"

Racist, feminists prescribe to what I call "two tier human rights", browns need not apply.

Not stupid though, the correct word is malicious. The feminist organizations in Canada have made their beds by aligning their cause with the socialist parties. Feminists have no interest in equality for women, their interests are aligned with inequity for women. Buy turning a blind eye to the fate of women world wide, they stay in good favor with the socialist parties that would fund these feminist organizations.

A good analogy is to compare the institutionalized women's movement to the character Mr.Smith from the Matrix series. Mr. Smith's final demise was the completion of his objective. Once Neo was killed, Mr.Smith's need to exist was finished; therefore he perished.

Acknowledging the crimes against women would mean supporting the Conservatives. This would be the equivalent of "biting the hand that feeds you" because any good "c"onservative knows that any valid organization will be self sustainable. I can extend this logic to the social science community, the art community or any other victims groups.

The real question is when are WOMEN(collectively)going to pull their heads out of the sand, do the right thing and start speaking out on behalf of the aforementioned Muslim women. Based on polls from Ontario, women (collectively) are content with turning a blind eye to the pressing issues in our country for the pitiful bribes offered by the Libs and the NDP.

It is time to start earning back the R-E-S-P-E-C-T that our ancestors (men and women) fought so hard to gain in the first place.

Shit, I'm turning Catholic!

those who advocate sharia law in any western country should be hanged for treason.

A house divided falls

Who will rid us of this turbulent priest?

I think Liz will have to skid the Archbishop, because Prince Chuckles isnt likely too have the cahones.

What knights would do her bidding?
stabbing and beheading would be for the sharia followers.
On April 9, 1747, Simon Fraser, Lord Lovat, became the last man to be beheaded in England by the state.

Not that I've got anything against christianity, but if you are familliar with how the Christians took over the Roman Empire, then you may be seeing modern parallels.

Britain has been annexed by the cabal that runs the EU central council...parliament can't make social or economic policy without getting it ifrst from the EU social engineering council.....and the EU Overlords have decided the EU will become a collection of non sovereign, homogenous vassel fifedoms of the central council....first the national cohesion of the individual sovereign nation states have to be broken down (deconstructed) ...and no easier way to do that than with constant social strife by officially accommodating an incompatible aggressive culture with a law code incompatible with liberal democratic juris prudence.

It's a bonus the EU apparatchiks in the Brown regime have a handy state-owned church like the COE...a wholly owned state corporation with a talking head that echoes Whitehall social engineering policy...it's a "Borg" world that has been planned for Brits ( and us)

Ah yes Sharia dystopia is inevitable ny faithful flock... God's official British messenger has ordained it so....Baaaahhhh Baaahhh

As defender of the faith, and I believe formal head of the Anglican Church (I might be wrong) it would be well within her authority to have a chat with him.

Of course the archbishop should be shutting up on the state's laws. Unless he wants hte state to go sniffing around what he is up to.

The Archbishop's idiocy knows no bounds. It's not just this matter. A few days earlier he proposed that England should have "new laws to protect religious sensibilities that would punish “thoughtless and cruel” styles of speaking."

“The legal provision should keep before our eyes the general risks of debasing public controversy by thoughtless and, even if unintentionally, cruel styles of speaking and acting,” he said.

Get this.... thoughtless and cruel styles of speaking, even if unintentional!!!!!

How does that sound, in light of what is going on with HRCs in Canada?

Serriously, this is a man who has lost his grip on reality. Can he be fired?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3272730.ece

Cal2 @6.45 Is that ebcause he founded a ubniersity in British California?

the next Archbishop of Canterbury should be the Bishop of Rochester
http://www.rochester.anglican.org/bishop_michael.htm

RW@7:25

Hey, who jumbled up all those characters? They left my keyboard pure as well written english :^)

RW said "Not that I've got anything against christianity, but if you are familliar with how the Christians took over the Roman Empire, then you may be seeing modern parallels."

Troll warning - idiot sighted...

Seeing as how the UK is circling the toilet, I suggest that we invite HM to take her Canadian Throne at Rideau Hall and recognize non-muslim British citizens as refugees. The Archbishop of Canterbury is a traitor to western civilization, and needs to be dealt with in a truly historical british fashion.

Lori quoted the drooling moonbat wingnut as saying 'The Archbishop's idiocy knows no bounds. It's not just this matter. A few days earlier he proposed that England should have "new laws to protect religious sensibilities that would punish “thoughtless and cruel” styles of speaking."'

And the Archbishop should be the very first to be prosecuted under that law - his ravings are thoughtless and cruel. England should be protected from his wildeyed ravings.

Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?
Someone had to say it :)

Actually, the ArchBishop is just preparing the way for the new king:

In a 1997 Middle East Quarterly article titled "Prince Charles of Arabia," Ronni L. Gordon and David M. Stillman looked at evidence that Britain's Prince Charles might be a secret convert to Islam. They shifted through his public statements (defending Islamic law, praising the status of Muslim women, seeing in Islam a solution for Britain's ailments) and actions (setting up a panel of twelve "wise men" to advise him on Islamic religion and culture), then concluded that, "should Charles persist in his admiration of Islam and defamation of his own culture," his accession to the throne will indeed usher in a "different kind of monarchy."

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/119

Hey Sharia Law is Great ....if you're a man...

Not so great if you're a woman.

Where are all the Womens rights groups on this..

Funny they are so blinded about protecting minorities that they don't realize that they are supporting their own annhilation.

Women of the free world ... let's hear you shout from the roof tops, " I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"...

“thoughtless and cruel” styles of speaking."'

Presumably Terrence, this means saying "I don't want them to blow me up"

Behead those who insult Islam will be allowed to prove the good loony's tolerance.

My letter to the Archdoofus:

Dear Mr. Williams,
I wonder if you have any idea how much distress you bring to lovers of Western civilization with your bizarre pronouncements on Islam and Sharia. A man in your position can't possibly be ignorant of the implications of Islam supplanting the religious organization you supposedly guide, and the devastating effects of your abnegation of the role and duty entrusted to you. Your country appears to be swamped by a crisis of cultural confidence, but every time I hear of you, it is because of some unbelievably witless pronouncement coming from your lips. If you are so disinclined to bring some common English decency and wisdom to your task, perhaps you should resign and seek employment with the forces that threaten your society. It appears to be your purpose, in any case.
I am no one, living far from you and England, but sickened to see you blithely pulling the pillars of enlightened civilization down around the heads of everyone who foolishly are trusting in you. I write to express my sense of betrayal, not as an Anglican, but as someone who believes the Western world needs clear and courageous leadership in these darkening times.

Sincerely,
(DL)

Hey Sharia Law is Great ....if you're a man...

And a over-sexed, black criminal/ex-con!

From the following article

http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2008/02/has-the-archbis.html

This woman, who for obvious reasons begged not to be identified, told me: 'The men get tired of their wives. Or bored. Or maybe the wife objects to her daughter being forced into a marriage she doesn't want. Or maybe she starts wearing western clothes.There can be many reasons. The women are sent for asssessment to a hospital. The GP referring them is Muslim. The psychiatrist assessing them is Muslim and male. I have sat in these assessments where the psychiatrist will not look the woman patient in the eye because she is a woman. Can you imagine! A psychiatrist refusing to look his patient in the eye? The woman speaks little or no English. She is sectioned. She is divorced. There are lots of these women in there, locked up in these hospitals. Why don't you people write about this?'

My interlocuter went very red and almost started to cry. Instead, she began shouting at me. I was a member of the press. 'You must write about this,' she begged.

'I can't,' I said. 'Not unless you become a whistle-blower. Or give me some evidence. Or something.'

She shook her head. 'I can't be identified,' she said. 'I would be killed. And so would the women.'

This is dangerous, disheartening, and disappointing.

I've often risen to defend religion, but cannot do so in this case.

Because of the enormous consequences of the pedophile scandals in the Catholic Church, many sincere, devout, and morally conscious Catholics left the Roman church to become Episcopalians.

Well, sir, in the US the Episcopalian Church then had terrible problems of its own. Openly gay men were appointed as bishops. Feminist theology began to have a central position to the extent of seeing the crucifixion as being God as Mother giving birth to New Possibilites.

The conservative Episcopal population rebelled against this by some throwing off their Episcopal shackles and becoming a full part of the Anglican Communion. (By this time, of course, our Catholic converts are staggering about the streets with a stunned expression, perhaps looking into Wicca...)

And now the Archbishop of Canterbury is corrupting the Anglican Communion by this capricious and dangerous pronouncement.

What we all have to be very alarmed about is our politicians immigrating so many practitioners of Islam into our countries that they begin to have power in the ballot box. Many have written here about a variety of possibilities relative to Islam. However, if Islam begins to gain political power in our countries, all of those conjectures will fall to a relentless Islam pressing for sharia.

another Muslim cartoon furor in the making:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/books/05wiki.html?_r=2&ex=1360126800&en=ebab932c6d8d4bdb&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

"Islamic Sharia law in the UK is "unavoidable" and that it would help maintain social cohesion"

"maintain social cohesion"....."social cohesion".....What has this guy been drinking/smoking/inhaling/imbibing, what planet is he from, is he from an alternate universe....what "social cohesion". He has already surrendered. If they are unable to relate to the British legal system, then they should go back from whence they came and do their sharia thing there.

Don't be too hard on the Bish. He is a product of his education which serves only to destroy any faith with which the aspiring candidate may have started out.

Of course there is also the question as to whether he had any faith when he started. I can't tell you how many 'leaders' of the mainline churches so lack Christian faith they literaly call Jesus a liar.

The biggest lesson I got out of reading the estimable Efraim Karsh about Islamic Imperialism is how essential was the collusion from the Christian Church elites. In other words, without that collusion Islamic expansionism would definitely not have advanced so far.

Same deal today with Williams as well as most of our secular elites, esp. the EU.
P-o-w-e-r.

Only a revolution by the awakened un-washed masses will reverse this incipient disaster.

the whole world has gone totally f*#%in' nuts

I can hardly believe this. A quick scan on the Internet revealed that in 2004, the Muslim population in Great Britain was estimated at 1.8 million. The British population is about 60 million. That makes Muslims about 3% of the population. Yet this worm of a prelate is ready to cast aside centuries of British law to satisfy a sullen, corrosive fifth column.
This "intellectual" (or so he was identified by one, albeit unsympathetic observer) can complete his public self-portrait by getting down on his knees, bending over, and presenting his butt for anal penetration. That appears to be his natural position.

The Prime Minister believes British law should apply in this country, based on British values.

I never thought I'd see a Labour P.M. assert such, er, nationalism. Thanks for facilitating that small blessing, Archbishop.

That's pretty shocking that the Archbishop of Canterbury thinks that Saria law is pretty well inevitable in the UK. I guess it's true that we are in an age when the geeks shall inherit the earth. Brains have overtaken brawn in our information society. Unfortunately, a central characteristic of a geek is cowardice and fear of physical threat - ie cowering in the face of the schoolyard bully and negotiating in vain.

If I'm not mistaken, Churchill faced the same cowardice from a number of his cabinet members and advisors during the early stages of WWII when they pleaded with him to negotiate with the Germans because they saw defeat as inevitable and the Germans had promised that they would be decent in their victory. He didn't, thank God for the British people because apparently after the war, when the Nazi's war plan came to light, the actual plan the German's had for England, if they had capitulated, was pretty horrendeous. Terror, mass murder and retribution, including Churchill, his gov't and most of the intellectual crowd. The very same cowards who advised him to capitulate. Sound familiar?

I'm sure that the chattering lefty intellectual pandering crowd in the media, universities and society in gereral in Britain will see this as some kind of victory for their multicultural and tolerance idology. A confirmation of their progressiveness and their bravery in the face of the unknown. And, a stick in the eye to those nasty conservative-minded cavemen.

They think so highly of themselves and their irresistible virture that they can't see that if things keep going as they are, they'll be the first dumplings dropped into the cauldren of boiling olive oil and the only feminist, enviornmental and gay lobbying going on will be their heads being lobbied off on primetime TV.

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"the adoption of Islamic Sharia law in the UK is "unavoidable".

a small point perhaps, but this sounds more like... "resistance
is futile" than "happy days are here again".

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What was the point of all the sacrifices made in WWII. When 60 years on they just roll over for the Muslims

From his bio: "Dr Williams is a noted poet and translator of poetry. His collection The Poems of Rowan Williams, published by Perpetua Press, was longlisted for the Wales Book of the Year award in 2004."

Figures. Show me a poet and I'll write you an asshat.

Thank God that Brown has asserted Britain's justice system over Sharia law. Can you imagine if the Brits had Taliban Jack as their PM? A useful idiot like the Archbishop would be all he'd need to make it happen in a heartbeat!

It's hard to take any comfort from Brown's words on this matter when his party and government has systematically destroyed England from within, and do not appear yet to have appreciated the disaster they have created.

It's hard to get past the fact that 25% believed Churchill a myth, and 50% Lionheart. How is that possible? How can a nation lose its greatness, and its knowledge of its greatness, so quickly.

The Islamic Republik of Britain.

So, do we all finally understand the purpose of the British gun ban? Hmmmn?

ET rightly points out "Because someone doesn't 'relate' to your legal system doesn't mean that you change your system to accomodate their beliefs..."

In the sad case of the Archbishop of Canterbury, he has been acclimatized to this way of thinking by the Anglican Church's changing its core Christian beliefs, radically so in the past 30 years, in order to accomodate secular, humanist society. A jump to changing Britain's legal system to accomodate a troublesome group isn't such a huge leap, in this context.

But, it is a remarkably stupid and dangerous one. Rowan Williams naively assumes that others--i.e. Muslims with their Sharia Law--are as "reasonable" and "peace loving" as he is, a far stretch given what we know about the rabid radical elements of fascist Islam operating in the UK. As a Christian cleric he certainly seems to have forgotten one of Christianity's core doctrines, which is fallen human nature as a given.

One can only wonder what planet Rowan Williams is living on. Prediction: The Anglican Church is about to experience another mass exodus of its parishioners jumping ship, heading for higher and dryer ground. With a leader like Williams, this particular barque of the Christian Church is heading for a massive wreck.

BTW, it's not difficult to understand why Tony Blair just became a Catholic.

I am an ex-Anglican. 'Couldn't take this kind of lunacy anymore.

As some many of posters have pointed out multiculturalism is the reason this is happening. If all cultures are equal then muslims should be allowed to practice sharia law as it is part and parcel of their culture. This soft lefty Rowan Williams can't see that cultures are not equal and the one he is bending over for while mumbling his poetry will give him a painful reminder of that.

Perhaps if white anglo saxon males began promoting sharia law, based on the fact that it only benefits men, we might see a quick conclusion.

I'm sure that's all it would take to trigger the otherwise lethargic feminist groups into a legal frenzy.

Then perhaps the government would enact laws to directly protect against the imposition of shariah in any form.

In other words, neuter it, for good.

Hey, it might only take a t-shirt and bumper stickers:

"I want four wives too. Bring on shariah law."

I remember being taught in school that our system of "cultural mosaic" (aka multiculturalism) was far superior to the American "melting pot" approach.

Who's laughing now?

Like 'been around the block, I too have parted company with the Anglican Church. Rowan Williams is a disgrace and in a saner time would be excommunicated. I'd like to know why the Queen as head of the Church of England is silent on this issue? It goes beyond neutrality.

Count me in with batb and Liz J: I'm also an ex-Anglican. Thank goodness: my blood pressure used to soar when the Anglicans did these crazy, apostate things.

Now, I read about them, shake my head, say some prayers for the many faithful--and unfaithful: Lord, have mercy--Anglicans and get on with my life in a Church that takes its teachings seriously.

This is just another jagged tear in the side of the "good" Ship Anglican. Glub, glub, glub . . . It's more than sad.

Kate, your update link supposed to go somewhere...?

Dr. Irene Lancaster FRSA
February 8th, 2008 6:57am
When 'citizenship' was introduced to the school curriculum, I was asked to teach aspects of the subject at a large state girls' school in Greater Manchester. The subject of 'crime and punishment' came up, as it normally does in RE lessons. The teacher's role was to encourage debate on this subject, without making 'judgements'. Without exception, every Muslim child in the class opted for sharia law as the correct British response to burglary, for instance. When asked to elaborate further, they insisted that this should cover all British citizens, irrespective of religion or creed, as 'sharia law knows no boundaries'. When asked what the punishment for burglary would be, they all stated 'amputation of hands'. This disucssion took place in 1999, well before 9/11. When I reported my considerable misgivings to the school authorities, I was told that pupils were 'entitled to their opinion, and by the way, Manchester LEA has asked that we do not use the word 'Israel' in class, so as not to offend Muslim pupils'. Unfortunately for Manchester LEA the RE subject to be taught in another class was 'the Exodus from Egypt'. And their own syllabus mentioned 'the Children of Israel'. Teachers were now expected to use the phrase 'Children of Palestine'. I reported all this to the local Manchester Representative Jewish Council who basically accused me of fabricating the whole thing. 'We know the advisor for RE and she would never do such a thing'. Any wonder that the Arcbbishop of Canterbury is now advocating sharia law and using Jewish norms incorrectly to implement it.

Another teacher like Lookout runs into her lefty administration.

When I click on "the backlash begins," I get a blank page. 'Anyone else having trouble opening it?

I sure it has been said already, but I think that one of the main reasons for moving to a country like Britain, or another English Common Law Code location, is to get he benefit of English Common Law. Outside of the English speaking countries where can you stand up with the skin, race, religion, and sex you are provided with state your case and be dealt with fairly?

Reading the response, not even the mainstream Muslims want to have Shaia law intrude on the rights they enjoy under British Common Law, go figure eh...

Juuuust, to be on the safe side ..
Does anything RYME with " the-adoption-of-Islamic-Sharia-law-in-the-UK-is -unavoidable-and-that-it- would-help-maintain-social-cohesion" ?

Four wives....hmmmm. That could be more manageable than just one. The one I got doesn't much like it when I spend too much time with my buddies in the bar. Now four of them could keep each other company - you know -playing cards or something.