Does anyone else find it troubling that doctors feel the need for a special interest organization to address this?

No, not me. I think the more (organized) members involved in opposing this type of unethical practice, the more political clout there will be to stop it. Especially when dealing with the Chinese and their highly corrupt system.

"Does anyone else find it troubling that doctors feel the need for a special interest organization to address this?"

Yes, and on that note Charles Adler had a good column on the Canadian's utter inability to ever stand up for what is right under any circumstances:

network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/02/03/charles-adler-canada-is-becoming-a-tyranny-of-politeness.aspx

What good is a democracy and free press if the people are too scared/selfish to use it toward virtuous ends? Has the left lost a single friggin' battle over the past 30 years?

One could discover a cure for cancer and most Canadians would oppose it. That's what Canadians do: oppose anyone who would question the status quo or propose solutions. Give evil a free pass, in other words.

I truly, truly despise Canadians. What a disgusting waste of DNA.

This kind of thing is essential nowadays, especially with that big Doctors For Organ Harvesting telethon coming up.

Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting considers any form of organ removal that jeopardizes the donor’s life and welfare, or which pursues to end a donor’s life in order to obtain an organ for transplantation or other reason, to be unethical organ harvesting. This is in contrast with donating an organ for transplantation with consent.

There's consent and there's consent. Are they advocating the usual informed consent, or deemed consent with an opting-out provision as proposed in Britain?

Organ harvest? I hate the image of that horrific lookin' combine clattering across the landscape.

Troubled, yes. Surprised, no.

"There's consent and there's consent. "

That's some good Canadian Baby Boomer Liberal Speak right there, I'll tell you.

"Are they advocating the usual informed consent, or deemed consent with an opting-out provision as proposed in Britain?"

It begins. The obfuscation and excuse making so inevitable in a conversation featuring Canadian Baby Boomers begins.

They are proposing to harvest organs, Fuck Nuts, without explicit consent. Stop blurting random obfuscatory questions; are you fer, or agin'? I think it is somewhat wrong to harvest organs without consent, but then again I adhere to an ancient and foreign "moral code" that, candidly, is beyond the understanding of the Canadian Baby Boomer, so your mileage may very.

[try to avoid using profanity in my comments. There are readers here on work computers. -ED]

Harvesting organs... better not let the CWB hear about that lest they branch out.

It is a fact that a lot of people die waiting for an organ doner. What I intend to do with my body after I'm finished with it is up to me (or my NOK if I have not made my wishes clear). As it stands right now, even if they wish it, a lot of organs are waisted because of the legal dancing and second thoughts of grieving survivors. This lawyerfest is why some are calling for the "opting out" plan. My question is if Opting-out billing wasn't allowed for cable companies then why would hospitals try it?

As far as I'm concerned, take what you need and make an ash of the rest, but don't ever assume my permission. To that end I have my permission down on paper.

BTW: Dollars to donuts the commentor with the alphabet soup handle is bollocks trying to amaze us with his internet savy. Just my opinion.

It is troubling, but necessary. With doctors coming to Canada from uncivilized countries, it is best they are told right up front, that organ donation is not mandatory. You don't want them thinking they can set up a booth at the multi-cultral festival and be selling kidneys and livers.Whatever happened to wife number 4?

The Province of Ontario has mandated that you must actually apply NOT to be an organ donor in that province.

OMMAG, you're kidding right?

"There are readers here on work computers. "

Yeah, baby boomer readers, and they are stealing the jobs of better qualified young white males and probably faking disabilities too, so my sympathy is limited.

I'll keep a lid on the swear words but man, it is hard, especially when they act Liberal right here under our noses.

"What's that? Canada has human rights commissions? And they restrict speech? That's crazy! Stop the madness!" Yes Martha, we've had HRCs for 30 years now, thanks for tuning in.

I went to my doctor several years ago, and a new doctor from S.Africa was there. He told me we were to fussy here re medicine and prescriptions when it come to best before date. There is nothing wrong with those pills and we use them all the time at home. I have never trusted doctors from those countries since.
When I asked my druggist what the prescription was for, (for seizures for my g/son) he almost had a heart attack. It was to lower blood pressure and to assist in stopping smoking. Never got it filled and druggist reported him. Don't know what happened but he soon left that clinic.

The day we start selling body parts in mainstream democratic countries without well organised legal consent and an independent system for evaluation against corruption and misuse then we have sunk to an all time low .

For our governments to blindly turn away from 2 reports authored by 2 esteemed Canadian gentlemen David Kilgour and Davis Matas unacceptable and inhumane. Talk about the holocaust last century ? this genocide of the Falun Gong has now surpassed even that time..
https://www.dafoh.org/Kilgour___Matas_Report.php

Many Rabbis have spoken out about this and are taking the lead because they know what this means for humanities conscience.

"When there is evil in the world every person with a human conscience, and every person with intelligence, must protest against it..”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125078

"OMMAG, you're kidding right?"

No, he's just wrong.

Where do you suppose Stallone gets his steady supply of HGH?

Imagine- going all the way to India to get an illegal kidney transplant. Pay the big bucks, get put on the operating table and knocked out, and then waking up later, with a bandage over a small incision. Then, you come back to Canada- get an x-ray, and find out that there is no kidney there !?!
That's even funnier than paying over a hundred grand for special prayers for your winning lottery numbers- bwahahaha- when any damn fool knows, that the way to win the lottery, is to buy a convenience store, ( with a lottery terminal in it)- and then steal the winning ticket!?!
Don't kid yourself- even the chronically stupid have ways to rip you off!

Sad that is has come to this. Over 20 years ago some close friends had a son born with liver disease and the doc's recommended a transplant. Our friends had the rude awakening that at the time there was no network or organization to help. They spent a lot of time and energy organizing a 'donor registry system', sadly, not in time for their son.Many have benefited over the years, but human corruption has infiltrated.
Yes Kate I am troubled. I am thankful that these doctors are speaking out.

My concern with organ donation in general has always been that if some nobody's life is hanging in the balance, and if he just happens to be a good match for that well connected politician/athlete/movie star down the hall, the doctor's will pull the plug on the nobody.
Its just a matter of time until the politicians start to determine its more important for someone else to have your organs.

"I went to my doctor several years ago, and..."

Ma'am? Please.

Canadian baby boomers and their heart wrenching anectdotal and wholly unverifiable stories....yeeesh.

It would never occur to a Canadian to make an argument based on logic or statistics; no, the Canadian is compelled to make up the most implausible story possible whenever he or she doesn't get what they want.

Not particularly.

What I find troubling is that creepy German guy who'd touring around North America with a bunch of plasticized corpses. Where'd the bodies come from? China.

Most of them seem in pretty good shape for people who allegedly died of natural causes. There's some considerable question about whether the "natural" cause of death might have been lead poisoning, the kind you get from being shot by a prison camp guard.

But there he is, with his lovely corpse display, touring North America and Europe.