Yeah, I like it! Make BIGGER and MORE pancakes with the BIIIIIIG, EEEEEEVIL D9!

A D9 only? Disappointingly small for the task at hand. I'd use a D11R CD. All 113 metric tonnes of it.

Wow, I knew about the banks and Hollywood, but I didn't know that Jews were giants too!

...boy those Israeli soldiers are big!

Nice catch mhb.

I like the D9 in the top pic more than the unphotoshopped version in the lower one. Bet it does great in rush hour traffic.

I don't care if that thing is only 6 feet tall, I don't want to be in front of it charging at me.

I don't care if that thing is only 6 feet tall, I don't want to be in front of it charging at me.

Yeah, god knows that with a top speed of 12 KM/hour, you'd never be able to out run it...

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good gawd... well, i guess that explains
the six-minute, er... six-day war.

as steffi would say, "that is not fair"

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Sung to the tune of 'paliwood' ta-da-de-de 'oh paliwoood' and etc...

heh, what can I say?
I'm big on these big beautiful machines.

Oddly enough for some reason I am also having a craving for pancakes.
:)

Re able to out run it -- When I was a lad with my dad in bear country in the Canadian west, my sum total of advice was, " when in bear country, have a look around, and make sure you are not the slowest". Aye, sound advice from the man of few words, and to which I have passed on to my kids.

Saruman relied on the latest techniques to take over the Shire.

being able to run away from a bulldozer, and pancakes?
I would be driven to tears, if not arms at someone bulldozing my house, not to mention children dead, and no legal recourse, in Isreal or the US.
What's wrong with you people, mocking a photoshop, a family died.
Quote:
His father Umar, his sisters Fatima and Abir, his brother Samir and pregnant sister-in-law Nabila, and their three children, ages 4, 7, and 9, were all killed.
endquote

how cold can you get.

Killdozer the sequel. Son of Killdozer...It's Bigger...It's Badder...It's taking out the trash!

Eh... about -25F.

Next question?

The scaling of that D9 in the top picture makes it look like the jawa-mobile that scooped up R2-D2. Are the Palestinians in the foreground searching by candlelight because of the recent electricity outage?

Thanks Kate,
You clarified a persons worth.

Cam,

Those people are in a better place now. With Mohammad al-Dura.

"You clarified a persons worth."

No, pay attention. I clarified temperature, not monetary value.

The top photo is obviously a fake fake versus the genuine fakes. Genuine fakes all contain either Green Helmet Man or Gap Toothed Woman. The top photo contains neither of these and therefore can be considered a fake fake -- probably put out by the Associate Press or some such fly-by-night organization ham fistedly trying to hoodwink the public with cheap photoshops. For genuine fakes go directly to Hamas embeds. Accept no substitutes. This message is presented as a public service to preserve truth in fakery.

Sometimes it's important to lie when you're making the news. Sometimes there's just not enough material to work with, so you have to make one part of the picture bigger. Or better yet, if it's a Jew-ey part of the picture, you can make it so big it blocks out everything else -- like common sense, a general sense of wherewithal, humanity, etc.

The CBC's Peter Armstrong did that tonight and how. His anti-Israel campaigning could well have come to grief in light of the fact that the only visuals he had to work with, from his safe haven in Jerusalem, were biblical-scale clips of Palestinians -- 700,000 by some estimates -- clashing with Egyptians -- throwing rocks, bulldozing a section of border wall, etc. Point is, there wasn't a single Jew in sight. What's a Peter Armstrong to do?

Relax, he pulled it off -- you can work magic with Jews, you know -- by painting a news report that explained to all Canadians that this violence between the Egyptians, who, as always, didn't want Palestinians coming into their country, and the Palestinians who were trying to tear down the border fence erected by their Arab bretheren so that they could buy food -- Arab food, once suspects -- was really the fault of the Jews.

Your lyin' eyes, and all that. You watch Arab-on-Arab violence, and shopping, but you hear the CBC's Peter Armstrong: "As the chaos at the border played out, political pressure on Israel grew. Through the weeks Israeli officials seemed keen to distance themselves from the situation. But it's not quite that easy; under international law, Israel is still responsible for Gaza. The border crashed down this week after Israel escalated its economic siege of the coastal strip. Saying it was trying to stop rocket fire from Gaza, Israel sealed the border for six days; nothing was allowed in or out. Fuel supplies, even humanitarian aid was cut off."

(He's talking about Jew fuel, and Jew-aid, obviously; it's no crime or outrage of any sort if Egyptians withhold all assistance, or erect a border fence.)

Here's how Armstrong ended his news report:

"And so, the siege remains broken. Gaza -- and with it Hamas -- have international sympathy. Gazans have food and supplies, Hamas has replenished its weapons and bolstered its public support. It's hard to see how Israeli attempts at marginalizing the Islamic group have done anything but backfire. Peter Armstrong, CBC News, Jerusalem."

The title ought to read:
"Occupied Terrortories Of The Little People"
Daniel

Cam, Has it occurred to you that the very killing of families by Israel might have never happened? That it's a media release to manipulate you. That it, like the photoshopped picture is bullshit intended to polarize people.

Strange Brew. Launch a missle out of your home into an Israeli classroom, killing everyone. Your house gets bulldozed. Bad Isralis.

Better Dozer shots here: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/engineer_vehicles/bulldozers/D9_D10.html

Cheers

Perhaps Alberta should export their truly massive oil sands wheeled vehicles (which dwarf any tank, bulldozer or house), run over everything and dump toys and food.

Kate, since Mr. Cruikshank (CBC editor) is unaware of any bias at CBC, perhaps you could do Canada a HUGE favour and forward the top ten list of postings (together with selected thread comments) of CBC bias to Mr. Cruikshank (with copies to Cruikshank, the Ombudsman, the CBC CEO, Bev Oda and (if enough anti-Israeli postings are available) the CJC. Could we not also put together a package of such postings/comments and submit it to the CRTC?

For this posting, it would be most appropriate to include EBD's "most-excellent" comment.

see the latest disection of pallywood

http://theaugeanstables.com/

"January 24, 2008
Second Draft examines another Pallywood Production: Gaza Beach Tragedy: Exploiting Grief
Filed under: Arab-Israeli Conflict, Demopaths and Dupes, Media, Pallywood, Photographs — Richard Landes @ 9:26 pm — Print This Post

We have just put up a ten-minute documentary on the Gaza Beach explosion that killed seven of the Ghalia family on June 9, 2006.

Gaza Beach Tragedy: Exploiting Grief"

or the original

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/corruption-of-media.html

What do you suppose the reaction would be of someone who just had their home arbitrarily bull dozed?

Ever wonder where suicide bombers come from?

WL, we don't wonder at all where suicide bombers come from. They tell us, repeatedly, in detail, viva voce. The difference between yourself and most of the posters here is that we listen to what they say and take them seriously, where all you can do is dig into your dogma for something to project on them that they specifically and emphatically reject.

And we, like a lot of people, have been waiting for the Palestinians to discover where Caterpillar brand D9 armored bulldozers come from. Of course they'll never find out from you.

Regards,
Ric

WLMR, if I were a Caledonia resident and my home was bulldozed by police in an effort to stop the terror and intimidation of the FN thugs, I would not strap on a suicide vest and attack white folks in Toronto suburbs.

I would (rightly) be mightily incensed at the FN thugs who caused the whole problem in the first place. If Hamas and/or Hezbollah would stop attacking Israeli civilians indiscriminately, then I'm sure that Israel would stop bulldozing the homes of "innocent civilians". If the Palestinians don't want to be hit with retaliation, don't support the terrorists.

Support the terrorists? Hell - they elected them.

People get the government they deserve.

I'm with Cam and WLMR on this one. Never mind the photos, though the size of the cut-and-paste bulldozer on the top is surely how one feels, emotionally, as it tears down your home.

The article, which outlines the killings of men, women and children by these actions of destruction, is, in my view, morally indefensible. As well as pragmatically useless.
These people are not the ones who are lobbing the rocks, grenades and missiles. Plus, destroying their homes, killing families, will only increase their hatred to pathological levels.

EBD - by international agreement, international funds go to Israel, not Egypt, to pass on to the Palestinians (since Gaza effectively has no economy and is not self-sustaining). Israel is withholding these funds. Egypt doesn't receive them from the international community. It isn't, to use your rather offensive terms 'Jew-food' and 'Jew-aid'; it's the international funds and supplies.

I think that Israel would certainly like to be rid of this task of channeling the Int.Aid to the Palestinians, and lob it off onto Egypt to the extent that Gaza would become a permanent 'suburb' of Egypt. But Egypt doesn't want that.

I don't think it's a political coup for Hamas against Israel because Egypt's refusal throws Gaza back to Israel. My question would be, does Hamas really want Egypt to take over looking after Gaza? That would end Gaza's future role in a Palestinian state. So, why would Hamas do that?

I'm speculating, but I've got a niggling admittedly unclear feeling that it's also about Abbas and Fatah and a fight between Hamas and Fatah.

From Cam
I would be driven to tears, if not arms at someone bulldozing my house, not to mention children dead, and no legal recourse, in Israel or the US.
What's wrong with you people, mocking a photo shop, a family died.
Quote:
His father Umar, his sisters Fatima and Abir, his brother Samir and pregnant sister-in-law Nabila, and their three children, ages 4, 7, and 9, were all killed.
endquote

how cold can you get.

Considering the track record of the Palestinian media, and their abstract ability to over emphasis, make stuff up and down right lie, to curry favour from the useful idiots of western society, I am hard pressed to believe that anybody died. I used to shake my head in dismay at Israel and their heavy handed tactics, until I started doing research about the industry of hollywoodism that is rampant in the middle east. This bull dozer pic is but a tiny example of how they stage for the useful idiots of the western media, who lap it up!

"Sometimes it's important to lie when you're making the news."

Taqiyya. They can't help themselves.

"since Gaza effectively has no economy and is not self-sustaining"

Actually, before the Israelis pulled out of Gaza, it had an active export industry centered around agriculture. The Palestinians destroyed the green houses when the Israelis pulled out.

Had the Palestinians not destroyed those green houses, they'd have had the start of a functional economy. But I guess judenhass outweighs the need to provide for themselves.

But remember, kate, the people elected Hamas, not for their terrorism but against the extreme corruption, the financial irresponsibility and personal power agendas, the refusal to make peace, and continuance of 'intifada' of Arafat's Fatah party, which had done zilch for the Palestinians.

In contrast, despite their open dedication to Islamism, Hamas had done their 'public relations' work for the Palestinians by setting up health care centres, libraries, social services etc.

There's not much to choose from between Fatah and Hamas. Neither party is focused on the well-being of the Palestinians. And by now, with almost two generations of living like this, nourished by actions on both sides, I'd say that the mindset of many Palestinians is locked into the Caged Man syndrome (destructiveness to the self and others becomes the norm).

cam - do you still believe in the Easter Bunny, too? Come on, man. Look at the numerous examples of outright lies from similar "news" stories of palestinians or suffering muzzies:

- "missiles" from recent attacks that are actually old soviet shells
- the "jenin massacre"
- staged clip of palestinian man & "son" under fire from israeli troops
- etc.

If I read "white is the opposite of black" in the middle-eastern press, I'd carefully research the facts before I accepted it as truth.

Don't be so naive.

Dave in Guelph (hey! my old hometown), as I noted in the original post, the D11 is a bigger machine, but I've always been partial to the 'Niner after being scared by this flick as a kid.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Given the stories of death and injury on the site linked, those gigantic D-90's (surely they're 10 times larger than a regular Cat) must also be the ultra-rare stealth versions.

I've got a new subdivision going in about a mile away from me, and the rumble from the earth moves wakes me up every morning. I figure I'd have about, oh, an hour's worth of warning if one of those bad boys made a beeline for Casa Yukon Gold.

Hey Catepillar -- please send some of those silent D-90's to Winnipeg. We'll have that new Sage Creek development dozed in about a half hour!

ET - you're an anthropologist. Have you not yet figured out that political parties arise from the cultures they represent? If all the Palestinians have to choose from are Fatah and Hamas, they need to look in the mirror for the answers.

Apparently there ARE some pretty big dozers out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komatsu_D575

Not that I put it past the anti-Israel faction to do such a photoshop, but . . . I suppose it's possible the bulldozer in the top photo is just misidentified? Does anybody know for sure?

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The Palestinians get the kind of Israelis they deserve.

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No, kate, 'culture' doesn't operate separately from a political system, and I don't accept the post WWII anthropological view that 'culture' (and what does that MEAN, specifically?) is basic.

That's the view of such as Margaret Mead, Boas, Douglas...all, cultural relativists, all suggesting that what really makes people function, is their culture, ie, their beliefs. This view is taught in many undergrad anthro classes. I reject it.

I think that culture, ie, the 'textual' beliefs, is the 'superstructure'...it's an End Product, not a Beginning Cause.

I'm into Ecological Anthropology, which posits that the hard material reality of your 'biome' or ecology..or environment is what you first have to deal with, as an individual and as a collective. HOW you deal with this, is, first, your economy.

Your economy, as a functional adaptation by the population to what you cannot ignore (your material environment), is organized by the political system. This sets up hierarchies of authority. The political system should be run by the population, to manage the economy within that environment. Then, linked to this, is your legal system. These three are the basic infrastructure of a society: economy, political, legal.

Then..the 'surface' systems, are your educational/socialization system...your family structure..and your religion or.. These three are the 'ideological' or 'thought systems of a society.

I do NOT put these three as primary causes, as does the Cultural Relativist School of anthroplogists (see above); I consider them derivative results of the more basic causes - that material reality..and the Economy, Political, Legal systems.

The Six Systems, as I used to call them.

The Palestinian 'economy' has no connection to their material environment. The 'economy' at least in Gaza, is primarily dependence on international aid. Right there - you've got a pathology. Rather similar to many of our indigeneous reserves, isn't it?

Because the population is thereby disconnected from adapting to their envt, and because the population plays no role in their economy, you have a political (and legal) system that is 'loose' and totally disconnected from the economy. [Think of the Canadian Wheat Board].

This political system, as loose and disconnected from the economy, then focuses only on itself and its own power. That's what has happened in Palestine.

So, no, I don't blame the Palestinian people.

What has to be done? The Palestinians have to have a land base which they can administer entirely on their own. They then have to be weaned off aid programs, and they have to start a massive education program to enable them to operate as service providers (eg Dubai, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc..ie..areas that do not rely on natural resources or agriculture as an economy). In the West Bank, they can, in addition, have an agricultural economy.

Not an easy task, but so far, their alienated political system focuses only on its own power - and not on the future of any people.

What do you suppose the reaction would be of someone who just had their home arbitrarily bull dozed?
Ever wonder where suicide bombers come from?

SO ... one day, the IDF, bored silly with inactivity, decided, just for fun, to knock a house down ... giving birth to the suicide bomber sick with hopelessness and despair. Puke.
To hear this from a guy so hep to quasi-marxist cant and radical libertarian conspiracy theory is a bit of a shock.
The house-bulldozing is morally defensible, I believe, BUT very bad optics when considering the world-class propaganda skills of the Nazi and KGB-taught PaliNazis.
And as to so-called "collective punishment" what do you call mass-murdering civilian jooos on buses and pizza parlours, or justifying the killing of all Jews over 18 because they will at some time in their lives be in the military -- if not collective punishment.

Suicide bombing is a family and cultural affair, not a lone-wolf enterprise. Watch some PaliNazi TV!

Any other country -- not faced with this kind of bigotry -- would simply go in and totally flatten everything. (See what Assad did at Hama!).
Bulldozing single houses directly associated with known suicide bombers is justifiable targeted retribution.

I really can't believe this squishy sentimentalism.

Palestine - Palestinian.

Earlier thread but related to this.
Yes, "Palestine" is an ancient word (Palestina, from the Romans?) but the use of "Palestinian" for the area Arabs was NEW post-67. Before that the word was sometimes used, but ironically for Jews. Palestinian Post (Jews), Palestinian Symphony (Jews) Palestinian Brigage (Jewish military brigade). I have many quotes on file from Arab leaders admitting to this.

Summary: The PLO was put together by the KGB and they also got advice form the N Vietcong.
That advice was: Stop calling for the destruction of Israel. Reframe it as a "nationalist" struggle.
And there was born a new "people" called the "Palestinian People" AND the Jews became Goliath and the invented "people" the "Palestinians" became David. One of the most brilliant propaganda coups in world history.

It is a "nationalist" movement only in the negative sense -- solely toward the denial and destruction of defensive Jewish nationalism.

As someone observed: the Muslims were never that interested in Jerusalem UNTIL the Jews got it back.

Ellie in T.O. -

No, it's a D9; they are stock Cats modified by the IDF. The visuals are all wrong for the photoshopped dozer to be the Komatsu D575 you'd shown in your post.

Predictably, the boneheaded left has their collective shorts in a knot and have lobbied Caterpillar to stop supplying D9's to Israel to prevent "human rights violations". No info or news if the same crowd lobbied explosives & arms manufacturers to cease supplying palestinian terrorists with weapons and components of suicide bombs to be used to curtail the human rights of Israelis. Probably because that'd be a different situation, I guess.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

D9's - Bwhahahahaha!

It's the little people that are photoshopped. The rest of the photo is not. The little people are suprisingly in focus compared to everything in front of, behind, and next to them.

Or another way to tell: Why on earth is that guy in the middle bending over? To stare at the rock in front of him?

The photographer likely has a stack of people photos that he can photoshop into whatever photo he chooses, so that they can be bombed, attacked and burned over and over again.

Thanks for the clarification, mhb23re.

That photoshopped D9 is some mighty machine! Pity it doesn't exist. Maybe Caterpillar would give the artist a job in their PR department. Or design department!

Amazing, that darn Israeli blockade has caused the natives of Gaza to shrink. Bad Israeli's.....

It'd be one cool machine if it was real.

Put two seven-barrel, 20-mm rotary cannons on it and go after Hamas, blowing 'em away and 'dozing their stinking hideouts... where can I sign up to emigrate to Israel to join the IDF Bulldozer Brigades?

There is no evidence of fakery here.

The first bulldozer looks bigger partly because it's sitting on a piece of ground raised between one and two metres higher than the foreground. See the side of the little cliff it's on? You need to pay attention to where the bottom of the machine stops and the (shadowed) cliff begins.

With respect to the people, there is no evidence of fakery either. The business end of the second bulldozer, with the Israeli soldier in front, looks about 1.8m tall, and that's completely consistent with the apparent size of the corresponding part of the first bulldozer.

Of course, you to have to take notice that the people in the foreground throwing stones look less tall because they are bent over. They're picking up rocks to throw in symbolic resistance to the destruction being wrought.

Also, the pictured Palestinians are children, and children are smaller. Especially Palestinian ones in their ghetto-prisons who often suffer from poor nutrition, including diseases like rickets.

All in all, this page is a reprehensible slur designed to assist with political cover for a racist colonisation based on ethnic cleansing. You are blaming the victims for the image while utterly ignoring the real crime it depicts.

The Israeli collective punishment being depicted here is a war crime, no matter what size the bulldozer. And you are an apologist for it.

And uh, did we mention that they're midget children?!

For a sense of scale, look at the 3rd picture from the top on this page, where you can see the soldier's head and upper body above the hatch:

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/engineer_vehicles/bulldozers/D9_D10.html

Now with that image fresh in your mind, look at the pic on Kate's webpage again.

Man, those Israeli soldiers ARE giants! Must be something in the water. . .

Richard, that was truly gifted satire. Bravo!

RCheeseman
You really need to use /sarc tags.

Cheers

R. Cheesman: Your comments are completely uninformed vis a vis the 'photoshopping'.

I've got more than 30 years in the photography business with the credentials to back it up. The upper photograph, without a doubt, is not 'as taken'.

Even a 'super-telephoto lens' would not exaggerate the background in relation to the foregroung objects.

And in suggesting that this is an example of Israeli oppression, why would this machine have it's blade down, unless it was doing something like road building or other construction? If this were an instance of them coming to destroy homes, doesn't it make sense from a 'propaganda' perspective that they include the object of their threat ie: the home(s) about to be bulldozed?

As for the 'war crime' bit, are you a chicken or an egg kind of person? You're suggesting that the bulldozing of someone else's home incites others to strap on the old 'splody vest', but I'd suggest it's the reverse. If I know that, based on past experience, the home of my brothers, sisters and parents is almost certainly going to be demolished while I'm cavorting with all those virgins, I might be less inclined to strap on the vest to begin with.

And how 'innocent' are those brothers, sisters and parents when they are complicit in the act: raising their children both at home and in school, to believe that the death of infidels (especially Jew infidels) is the height of honour? Or that they celebrate the success of the 'martyr' and turn them into heros? Or the acceptance of cash payments for offering up what should be the most cherished thing in their lives in order to destroy what is most cherished in others?

I read your post and see only self-loathing for all that 'the west' represents and a lack of understanding that your peril is no less than that of me or anyone else. Do you really believe that your sympathy for Hamas would spare you should push come to shove?

And lastly, how does retribution for a family offering a son or daughter to a terrorist act become a 'collective punishment'? The fact that their home, out of tens of thousands surrounding it, makes it a pretty strategic and targeted act of punishing perpetrators, not innocent civilians.

I guess the word apologist is pretty flexible, depending on where you stand.

I LIVE for the Richard Cheesman.s of this world.

Er...assuming..he is of this world..

no guff,

Can you tell if the pic is cropped?

I ask because it appears that the guy on the right is about to toss a rock or start jogging to get down a road to HIS left (on the very right of the frame) before it is blocked by a tree the dozer is about to push.

BTW - I would argue that the pic is real but entirely out of context.

BTW - I would argue that the pic is real but entirely out of context.

What does 'real' mean to you? Obviously it is photographically based (as opposed to an etch-a-sketch)but does it convey the reality of the situation, or the intention of the photographer?

We're living in a new reality, where photographs may no longer be introduced as evidence in a court of law without provenence. Yet we're supposed to accept at face value, a photograph from people with a proven track record of falsification of the truth?

Check out the photographs of the Hamas members of 'parliment' sitting in supposed darkness, with their little candles all lit. Meanwhile, all the curtains are drawn excluding the brilliance of obvious daylight.

Poor widdle Pali's can't even afford an emergency generator for their own highest level of government. Or maybe they just didn't have any fuel to run one, due to those heartless, genocidal Israelis.

Neither you nor me have any clue what the 'guy on the right' is doing, but since the photograph came directly from the 'International Middle East Media Center', which in their own words, "combines Palestinian journalists' deep understanding of the context, history, and the socio-political environment with International journalists' skills in non-partisan reporting." I guess we can assume, is absolutely 'non-partisan'.

Take a look at the second picture. Given that the bulldozers are 4m high, the Israeli soldier "of normal height" depicted in front of one looks at least 2m tall (six feet seven). Maybe they are giants! That one at least is no shorty.

Don't be confused by the cuboid object near the base of the bulldozer's arm in the first picture. It's a piece of debris, but because it's similarly coloured and lit it could make a careless person think it was part of the bulldozer and that the machine extended down further than it does. The blade of the bulldozer is actually on the ground, pushing over the tree. Take a close look and you can see the steep bank the machine is at the top of. The line that slants down from the top left to the neck of the first child is the base of the bank, not the base of the bulldozer.

Note that the children in the picture also look shorter because they appear to have no feet. That's because they're standing on ground slightly lower than the foreground.

Several of you frothed and sneered but none of you could refute the fact that the bulldozer in the first picture is no larger than the one in the second picture. Both pictures are consistent with a bulldozer 4m high. So if they had photoshopped it they were wasting their time. Sorry to burst your hate-filled, prejudiced little bubbles.

Any honest person who looks carefully will see that the first picture shows a bulldozer the same size as the ones in the second picture. Naturally I don't expect either care or honesty on a chauvinist, ethnic supremacist site like this, but at least readers of the page now are less likely to be fooled.

As for Guff's defence of the crime of collective punishment, it was pitiable as well as despicable. The "self-loathing" slur is particularly stupid: I don't have to loathe myself for Israel's crimes because I am not the Israeli government. Identifying yourself with your regime and its allies (and their crimes) is your pathology, not mine.

Thank you for reading my contributions and for your responses. My work here is done. Ka kite!

no guff,

Where do you think the pic came from?

It did NOT come from 'International Middle East Media Center', they are just using it for their propaganda.

My main point was, can you tell if it has been cropped.

Richard Cheeseman, your observations are astute, but conclusions, uhhh, less so- The second pic is of D9s, the first is neither a D9 nor taken by the IMEMC, nor has anything to do with the story.

no guff, the 'provenence' of the pic is not the IMEMC.
I do have a 'clue' what the 'guy on the right' is doing - he is moving out - most likely to get ahead of the tractor (I see this reaction around heavy equipment every day - in fact he may be making eye-contact with the D10 operator to ensure he is seen - safety first), maybe to toss a rock if you are inclined to believe that is what people do around heavy equipment, whatever the story suggests.
The guy in the middle is disinterested. The guy on the left may have seen a shiny beetle on the ground and is taking a closer look at it.

OH, for crying out loud. Blow the top photo up and examine it. There is ample evidence of photoshopping in the pixelation around the dozer, and the absence of tree branches behind the exhaust stack.

And that's just for starters.

Kate,

IMEMC did not produce this pic - they have been using every month or so in 2007 (I sent a post with several links but it got captured by your spam filter for your review)

The oldest use I could find was here -
http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/2005/04/squash_that_cat.html
(note the name of the pic file - d9idf_pic214.jpg)

That pic is no longer available but traces back to -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:StarOfDavid

One last thing: the specs say that the D9 dozer blade height is six feet four. That soldier walking beside one is in fact very tall.

Kate calling that soldier a "human being of normal height" is the very kind of falsification using imagery she is supposedly against.

Richard Cheeseman,

The blades are 'options' (go figure) and there are several different types, each of of a different size.

Soldier is in the foreground and in perspective would be larger.

Without knowing what the cropping is and not seeing the true horizon I will still suggest that the photographer's viewpoint was somewhat lower than the normal person's eye and aiming somewhat upward.

who cares about the pic? a cut and paste. A family was bulldozed with military operations on their street, and a lawsuit was conducted in the US, liability wasn't established regarding the manufacturer of the machine, but a family died.
They weren't Jews, but the children were too young to vote.
It's -3 here, and no roadblocks and the power is on.

I wonder what the anti-Caterpillar lobby have to say about this.

cheesehead, you are a moron.

Do a quick scale of the rock-throwers' heights to the height of the drive shaft at the top of the track, then do the same for the Israeli soldier in the other pic. The actual height appears to be 6ft in the bottom pic, and at least double that in the above, and this, DESPITE the fact that the D9 is in the background.

Unless of course, the rock throwers are all card-carrying members of the Lollypop Guild, then you could be right.

mhb23re

Hey Cam
Start shooting rockets at your neighbours and maybe there will be road blocks and power cuts.

pancakes for everybody

photoshopped pancakes for leftist scum

Just how in the world did the IDF manage to SNEAK a Caterpillar up on anyone? They are loud beyond loud, and when they rumble arround, they shake everything.
The people in the photo are not children. look at the body mass. they are adults.
Also, look carefully at the rubble surrounding the Caterpillar. It is completely out of context with the surroundings.
The photoshop was good, but its not that good.

Last thought, if indeed those folks really were killed by armored bulldozers, they should at the very least receive Darwin awards for their efforts.

...my what big dozers you have grandma...

Well spoken in reverse psychology - the wolf in this case is little RED riding hood.

Even taking into account that the dozer is on a hilly patch, it still appears to be the size of a 3-storey house. Whatsmore, the Palestinians in the photo are closer to the camera. In spite of this, however, they still appear to be small by comparison. Had we had images of the driver getting out, we would get the truth: he being 15 feet tall. Either that or the Palestinians in the photo are the size of gnomes and lawn jockeys. Take your pick.

The back of the dozer gives a better view and overall a better context to its actual size:

http://www.vegatransports.com.au/starwars/OTC/sandcrawler_arrives.jpg

ROFL Neptune :D

mhb

This story is breaking so the full details are sketchy at this time...

(AP) With the help from a team of Arab-Israeli excavation specialists, skeletal remains have been unearthed near Israel's border with Lebanon, possibly those of the Israeli soldier abducted by Hezbollah in '06

http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/f/1/Aad4_sm.jpg

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Reminds me of the kids show my kids used to watch. "Mighty Machines"
The theme song was "Mighty Machines. Big and Mighty Machines" which unfortunately we heard as "Mighty Machines, Friggin' Mighty Machines."

Not accurate but more fun to sing. At least for the kids...and the 12 year old boy in me.

MT

Looks to me that the offending seb site http://www.imemc.org/article/51074 got the caption wrong. This dozer looks very much like a Caterpiller D11 of some version. (See for example http://www.mlsinc.com/v3/heavyequipment/sale/caterpillar/d11/) The D11s are larger than the D9s. Maybe they got it wrong on purpose - I don't know.

Pretty dumb suing the maker of the dozer for this though. I work in the traffic safety field and it bugs me to read that so and so was killed by a white van etc., etc. It should read that so and so was killed by the *driver* of a white van etc., etc. The *van* (and the dozer) do nothing without a driver.

(p.s. sometimes motor vehicle crashes are not the driver's fault, but they are never the vehicle's fault.)

Would, that the photographer responsible for the first picture take a few snaps next time I go fishing.
It would make my fish stories so much more believable.

Al, That's what I thought. But if you examine photos of D11s, the one in Kate's pic looks nothing like them:

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6213521&guid=A3D2E9C9515B426C822B40C66152DFD7

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6018618&guid=A3D2E9C9515B426C822B40C66152DFD7

It DOES look like a D9:

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/engineer_vehicles/bulldozers/D9_D10.html

Only the scale is wrong.

The other strange thing is the lack of exhaust, this is not clean diesel technology we are talking here, just a straight stack. Notice that the flap is straight up on the stack but nothing is coming out! As they found with the photoshopping of bomb damage - smoke is very hard to fake so they didn't even try here. This D9 appears big enough to have a nuclear power plant though so maybe they are only venting hot air, much like Cam and Cheeseman.
It is hard to imagine that they would actually believe this but I guess they not only drank the Kool-Aid but asked for more. I guess there is one born every minute, nice to see that Mr Barnum was right (Actually Mr Hannum is supposed to have said it).

Cheeseman - your pathetic hand-wringing attempt to assert that the top photograph in any way represents reality is just embarassing.

This statement "Any honest person who looks carefully will see that the first picture shows a bulldozer the same size as the ones in the second picture." demonstrates beyond all doubt that you are either an unabashed liar or incredibly stupid. For the sake of argument, let us assume that both of these labels fit.

In fact, NO honest person looking at those 2 photos would assume that the bulldozer in the top photo is the same size as the other one pictured. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that the photo was *not* doctored, it is nonetheless misleading in the extreme. Much like Hamas's magical midnight at noon the photographer in question made a conscious decision to be complicit in a lie.

"Naturally I don't expect either care or honesty on a chauvinist, ethnic supremacist site like this, but at least readers of the page now are less likely to be fooled."
Projection perhaps? You certainly offer neither 'care' nor honesty in your one-sided whining rants. But take heart, I sincerely doubt readers of this page will be 'fooled' by your crocodile tears.