And if they don't [make the movie] the People's Truth Tribunal will haul their pathetic asses.....oh sorry, WRONG COUNTRY.

She is one of the dumbest bimbos in the world. Hands down.

And what reality, precisely, is this person 'living' in?

Well, clearly George Bush is lurking in every dark corner.

Do Liberal whack-jobs actually listen to or read what they say and write?

No postsript, they just echo what Michael Moore tells them.

IF I see a link to the Star I will not take the bait...it just bumps their hit count to the site which i turn is just a echo chamber for the retarded left.

Oh my Gawd!...the mindless babling!!

...how oh how did this demented lefty medusoid ever get a vehicle for her airheaded jibbering??? The fact there is even a "fan" site for this deluded frump speaks badly of the intellect of star readers.

Why bother even mocking her it's cruel to taunt the demented.

It's pretty obvious none of U tards even read the article - most of the teens in the US unexpectedly pregnant are not educated, well off or stable and capable of caring for a baby, unlike the movies version.

WL Mackenzie Redux
'medusoid' Love it!~ I hope you don't mind if I steal that little gem sometime in the future. LOL

I'm still trying to figure it , and IT all out .

Would that make you a Re-Todd?

Well,thats something to be proud of,Canada has a bigger percentage of female baby killers than the U.S.My university attending grandson said that late term abortion should be legal.I agreed with him,in fact I said,a mother should be able to kill her baby up to the age of consent.He didnt know what to say about that.

next thing you know she'll be claiming that the renewed cries from Toronto's mayor to ban already banned handguns will reduce gun crime.

Not. Soon. Enough.

Star workers authorize strike

Jan 17, 2008 04:30 AM

Unionized employees of the Toronto Star in departments including editorial, advertising and circulation have voted to authorize their union executives to call a strike, if no contract agreement can be reached.

Yesterday's vote was 96 per cent in favour among about 600 of the 765 members of the Communications, Energy, and Paperworkers Union of Canada.

Their previous contract expired at the end of 2007. The earliest possible date for a strike is this Saturday at 12:01 a.m.

However, negotiations are continuing, and both sides have enlisted veteran labour mediator George Adams to help them reach a deal.

The Toronto Star, Canada's largest daily newspaper, is published by Star Media Group, a wholly owned subsidiary of Torstar Corp.

And then there's this fool: http://www.thestar.com/News/article/295277

Meanwhile, MacLean's is all over the "teen pregnancy is now cool" angle vis a vis Juno and Jamie Lynn Spears. All they'd have had to do is go down to the Jane&Finch area and see all the babymamas to figure that one out.

Sniff, sniff, pwease don't make fun of me.

Let us hope for the invention of the artificial womb, then we can simply buy eggs from young girls who need a new IPod and ignore the miserable wretches who seem to think that babies are a disease.

Roberta the Robot coming soon to a maternity ward near you.

It would be a good idea for people who don't pray five times a day to start having more kids.

Well y'know, there is a reason why we call it the Toronto Red Star. All Red, All The Time.

But I think Doug pretty much covered the reality version in the first post. Attaboy Doug. Perfect one sentence rebuttal to a whole "professionally" written column at a "real" newspaper. Meanwhile MSM stocks continue to tank.

I think the part that shocks me the most about Antonia's column is that... she got paid for that. Actual money. The mind boggles.

ARRRRGH! Why'd you make me read that?!! I was having such a good day in my little RW, non-AGW, Conservative, Freedom-Loving bubble! And you wrecked it all and reminding me how stupid the world of leftist, statist, old-hippie idiots is.
Please more Shaidle, Levant, Steyn, and less idiocy!

Maybe the Red Star is having human resource problems. Short three cans in a six pack for sure.

It's pretty obvious none of U tards even read the article - most of the teens in the US unexpectedly pregnant are not educated, well off or stable and capable of caring for a baby, unlike the movies version.

Okay Todd. Just what the leftart NDP'ers like too see. More votes for them to expand the wellfare state. Since when did the left ever try and lecture the masses to take responsability and common sence? Don't lecture me.

Or maybe Americans are better informed of the fact that abortion sucks. Regardless of the legalities. Maybe that's why they prefer movies without abortion in them.

Jack's comment has me thinking. I'm pretty offended at the idea that Antonia baby got paid for that bit of Leftist, hate-America boilerplate.

Can any of you lawyer types come up with a way we could squeeze a CHRC complaint out of that? Its got to be at least as hateful as those Mohamed cartoons, eh?

I bet if Antonia got jerked in front of an HRC tribunal the MSM would be paying a hell of a lot more attention.

What does 'unexpectedly pregnant' mean? They didn't know where babies come from?

Sex is not a consequence free recreational activity, akin to riding a roller coaster, only naked.

And despite what Zerb (an educated white woman) thinks, lots of black teens do get pregnant because they want to. Being a baby mama is a status boost for them.

We think it is a stupid decision and it is, but to them it is not. If you listen to black girls themselves and not out of touch white apologists like Zerb, that's what they say:

"But the truth was that underclass girls often wanted to have babies; they didn’t see it as a problem that they were young and unmarried. They did not follow the middle-class life script that read: protracted adolescence, college, first job, marriage — and only then children. They did not share the belief that children needed mature, educated mothers who would make their youngsters’ development the center of their lives. Access to birth control couldn’t change any of that."

(...)

"Hip-hop culture glamorizes ghetto life: ’cause nowadays it’s like a badge of honor/to be a baby mama' go the words to the current hit “Baby Mama,” which young ghetto mothers view as their anthem.

"Seriously complicating the issue is the push for gay marriage, which dismissed the formula 'children growing up with their own married parents' as a form of discrimination.

"And then there is the American penchant for to-each-his-own libertarianism. In opinion polls, a substantial majority of young people say that having a child outside of marriage is okay — though, judging from their behavior, they seem to mean that it’s okay, not for them, but for other people. Middle- and upper-middle-class Americans act as if they know that marriage provides a structure that protects children’s development. If only they were willing to admit it to their fellow citizens."

http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

what? teens get pregnant? in Canada?

Thanks Dr. Morgentaler.

Send that article to Charest. Maybe he can put one + one together and figure out the falling population of Quebec.

quote: "In Canada, at least as of 2004, it's been contracting, while the abortion rate has been heading up."

This dumb bint doesn't see the elephant. And, of course, it's all GWB's fault. Why is she allowed near a writing instrument.

Toni Z. is an asshat.

Reading her article is like reading a parody. Everything she thinks is awful is actually not a bad thing at all: It's the way most civilized societies have managed to remain civilized--and intact.

That is, civilized societies DON'T abort their babies. Civilized societies value the lives of the most frail and vulnerable among them, rather than preying on them and getting rid of them on a whim.

As I celebrate a birthday today, I am grateful that my very young parents were willing to be responsible for the life they created. They had a gazillion reasons not to have me: My father was a student just back from the war, neither he nor my mother had any money, they had no "prospects," and yet they delighted in being parents, with all of the attendant difficulties and sacrifices.

Grow up, Toni Z. You're an entitled, feminist, out-of-touch-with-the-ground-of-womanliness idiot. God have mercy on the young girls reading your drivel. You're no role model and your "vision" for young women sucks.

Do I make myself clear?

Kathy Shaidle wrote:
"And despite what Zerb (an educated white woman) thinks. . . "

Zerb is "educated"? And she "thinks"? Who'd have ever guessed that!

Fred @ 5:41.

I see an opportunity. As most gun slingers come from "disadvantaged" backgrounds, single young mothers, Miller could ban all pregnancies by single young women, then there would be no need to ban guns! He would advocate wedlock ... the horror, the horror.. he heh ehe

on a personal niote, although libertarian and atheist and quite laissez-faire socially, I advocate adoption rather than abortion as I, myself, was adopted.

There is no rebuttal argument to that statement.

on a personal note, although libertarian and atheist and quite laissez-faire socially, I advocate adoption rather than abortion as I, myself, was adopted.

There is no rebuttal argument to that statement.

Why not a sitcom based in an abortion clinic.
Don't forget to keep all the gory details to keep it real.

I have to go and throw up now.

Is it just me or does this dishrag look like that bag of cellulite on Pravda's Air Farce? Lube Goy or whatever the hell her name is.
My god, do you really have to look like that to be a socialist wanker?

Why not a sitcom based in an abortion clinic.
Don't forget to keep all the gory details to keep it real.

I have to go and throw up now.

people... life is just a chemical reaction that got out of control due to chaos theory + darwin's evolution..

nothing more... nothing less....

I've always told my boys that they better make darn sure she won't get pregnant. Boys just get the bragging rights and the girls all the responsibility? Hogwash, getting pregnant is a position of power for a woman these days, she can decide on a abortion, to hell with what he wants. If she decides to keep it? A judge can order you to hand over your wallet for the next twenty years, but he won't force her to ever let you see the child.

separate frog, go take a flying f*ck you soul-less piece of smelly frog sh*t.

Add up the personal iqs of these pregnant teens, and they still wouldn't pass an iq test-imagine what that does to the gene pool.
As for GWB- he is probably concerned about where the next generation's cannon fodder will come from. (Not that it really matters- Mike Huckabee is going to replace the U.S. Constitution with the bible).
A question: Should we go to our church and wait- or just build a bombshelter in our backyard?

quebecois separatiste:

Your observation is valid and accepted by me. But, I am given, courtesy of my state as being evolved from a chemical serendipity, emotions that drive my desire to survive and the capability to conciously change my environment.

So, where are you going with this argument?

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Love the level of debate here.

Wimpy : So, where are you going with this argument?

im not trying to get anywhere... im just trying to provide an alternative point of view in a comment section dominated by extreme right wingers.

Doug: go away redneck.

There is no debate. We're all having a good laugh at a ridiculous newspaper article by a paranoid idiot who makes disjointed leaps of logic worthy of the most stoned of potheads.

quebecois separatiste says "... life is just a chemical reaction that got out of control due to chaos theory + darwin's evolution.."

OK, you convinced me. What's your BMI? Please estimate your dressed weight. Long pig is reputedly tasty, and if the cost-benefit ratio is worth it to me, I might as well get some use out of you.

I support a woman's right to promptly terminate an unwanted pregnancy. It is a private matter between a woman and her health care provider. But I have some bad news for Zerb, those anti-abortion protesters aren't going away. They are good people with a valid point, as anyone who has watched a 12th week ultrasound scan and seen the tiny heart beating and the perfect little hands and feet waving around can tell you.

"life is just a chemical reaction that got out of control due to chaos theory + darwin's evolution"

In your case, i agree completely. If that's the extent of your soul and your imagination, well, suck on it. I'd suggest most of us here live and dream on a larger plane of existence.

Abortion is the termination of life. The science is settled. The debate is over.

That some inferior life-form at The Star thinks that Canadian teens aborting their children at twice the rate of Americans signifies nothing other than this is an entity that would starve to death if their weren't so many cushy jobs for lefties in The Big Smoke.

I also like her little bit where she says, "boys are also not taking any responsibility [for] their actions." Isn't that interesting? She laments that those humans with a peenus are held responsible while those without one should have the power to duck responsibility for their actions by killing.

Sub-humans like this are evidence that not only should abortion be legal...we should also push to make some of them retro-active.

Whoa...those two middle paragraphs should have read:

That some inferior life-form at The Star thinks that Canadian teens aborting their children at twice the rate of Americans IS A GOOD THING signifies nothing other than this is an entity that would starve to death if their weren't so many cushy jobs for lefties in The Big Smoke.

I also like her little bit where she says, "boys are also not taking any responsibility [for] their actions." Isn't that interesting? She laments that those humans with a peenus SHOULD BE held responsible while those without one should have the power to duck responsibility for their actions by killing.

I guess that's what the "Preview" option is for.

Antonia is a nutcase - thankfully she's out of work at midnight 1/18/08 due to a strike at the Toronto Star

How does the women stay employed she has no intellect, not one original thought in her head, she is still stuck in some 60's lefty alternative Universe.

Everything is Bush's fault.....is there no end to what is his fault?

Are abortions free in the US? Nope!

http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/cost.html

Too bad the baby doesn't get a choice!

separate frog:

Here's an alternate viewpoint for you: you are a soul-less and worthless piece of dreck and your minuscule thoughts amount to nothing. It's just chemicals after all, right?

Kate be nice, ZERB is like shooting fish in a barrel, easy on the liberal press Queen-Bee.

Ha,ha, You rock Kate.

abortions are up in Kanada

and immegration is up to compensate

go figure!!!!

"abstinence-only sex education, parental notification/consent laws..." she thinks these are bad things! as a parent of 2 girls, parental notification/consent laws are extremely important to me.

Some comments above remind me that Aboriginals in Canada have a much higher birth rate than the Canadian average, including teen pregnancy rates. The reasons have nothing to do with George Bush etc... but more to do with the reasons given by a German sociologist in this article:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/05/youth-bulges-violence-and-fifth-village.html
I don't mean to equate Agoriginals with radical muslims, but Aborigianls suffer from a multitude of social problems, and it is the welfare state perpetuated by bleeding hearts like Zerb (or whatever her name is) that keep the cycle going.
George Bush indeed. Go on strike, already!

I mean specifically his comments about "the welfare state creating a class of losers"; it is quite far down the article.

Wow, I basically HEARD this entire article on NPR a few weeks ago. Both Juno and Knocked Up were mentioned in that piece as well. And I completely rejected the premise then as I do now.

The reporter responsible for the original incarnation of this story also found it equally inconceivable that any women, in her right mind, who found themselves facing an unwanted pregnancy would have any other option but abortion.

He went on to complain about the lack of time devoted to the discussion of the abortion option in each film. I haven't seen Juno, but I do know that Knocked Up had scenes that included the male lead's friend suggesting abortion and the female lead's mother pretty much demanding one.

Zerbisias seems to think that the plot of these movies are part of some Bush conspiracy or the influence of the evil religious right. Personally, I'm not sure exactly how successful a COMEDY Knocked Up would have been if it ended on the hilarious subject of ABORTION!

Why is it so inconceivable that when faced with such a difficult decision, a women might CHOOSE to keep the child? I thought the abortion rights movement called itself PRO-CHOICE? Apparently to Zerbisias there is only one possible option.

This article and the NPR report both display the main reason that abortion needs to be abolished.

Mankind is simply not qualified to deny the emergence of new life into this world, especially when it so often sights reasons that amount to little more than the limitation of personal inconvenience.

My wife and I have 7 children. We both waited for each other until after marriage. As home-schooling parents, we teach abstinence-until-marriage for our children.

We are Christians (Historical Fundamentalism).

We appreciate Mr. Bush's thoughts on these matters but he did not influence our minds.

We just had a murder in the lower mainland today ... North Delta ... it could be GWB's fault. Father kills 1 year old girl, while mother is taking his other 2 daughters to school (no sons). If only the mother wasn't being being influenced by GWB she could have aborted their children until they had a son ... they could have a perfect family unit ... instead of the father being charged for 1st degree. GWB is a home wrecker!!!

What makes it worse, is that GWB crossed the multiculturalism boundary on this one!!!

Oh that Antonio Psoriasis is a laugh a minute! Why is it that both she and Jason are so stupid and irresponsoble in the crap they spin? Blame anyone and everyone but the right one...and people,you can stop blaming Bush for everything now,Peter Kent is the new evil one!!!

Bravo, Brent Weston! God bless you and your family.

I'm not in favour of abortion either. (How on earth did I reach such a decision, more than 30 years ago, before I'd even HEARD of GWB?)

ural I watched that news broadcast and dad was upset about the number of female children he had and killed the littlest one. funny how these people blame the women for not "giving" them boys when it's really what he has to "give" that determines male or female

although I am a fiscal conservative and a "GW denier", I find it truly sad that so many people on my favorite blog are so intolerant of a womens choice to improve her life options. Pay your entire life for one impulsive mistake. We don't even make murderers do that. The article is stupid, but Canada has the law right.

Absinthe enhanced,

What about 2,3,4,5 ... etc. impulsive mistakes? People can't find a family doctor ... "mistakes" solved? ... no problem ...

I kept looking for the part where Bush forces Hollywood to make movies where girls have babies. That Bush, he's everywhere! He force me to eat an Arbies French dip sandwich the other day, and frankly, I found the au juc a bit salty.

Here's the report (which was also published in Lancet):

http://guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3310607.html

(By far the biggest abortion declines are in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Block. Don't know for sure but I read that Putin is trying to increase the Russian population and therefore frowns on abortion.)

Also, here is a relatively fair comment on the report from the Sun:

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007/12/15/4726283.html

As per Ryan jP, AZ is not only an idiot, but a plagerising idiot to boot.

Absinthe Enhanced, what intolerance? I see a few posters providing their opinion that abortion is wrong...but I don't see any comments that cry intolerance.

No amount of dehumanizing terms like "fetus" or "a collection of cells" can take away the FACT that a baby is ALIVE and HUMAN. In fact, studies have indicated there is some form of consciousness in babies while still in the womb. It is not dead, therefore it is alive...it is not a rabbit or a rock or a potted plant, therefore it is human. Therefore, when you abort, you end the life of a human being. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

Women want control over their bodies and the right to choose? Keep your legs closed or use protection or take the pill. They have lots of choices. They want the right to murder? Gee, I wish I had that right.

Having said that, I am not a religious nut...I can compromise. Abortion should be permitted up to the point in the gestation where a fetus would stand a fighting chance to survive if removed from the womb...is that about 4-5 months?

Therefore, women can still exercise their right to choose (it's just time-limited) and a viable human life is not snuffed.

See? Tolerance!

Why is it that only terminating your baby is a choice, isn't deciding to have your baby a choice also?

We have people being shot down in the streets in Toronto as well, and of course that is Bush's faults as he has not banned handguns.It is too much for a leftie mayor in Toronto to actually do anything about stopping the increasing violence here, other than blame the Americans.

"although I am a fiscal conservative and a "GW denier"

I guess these are your conservative credentials?

"I find it truly sad that so many people on my favorite blog are so intolerant of a womens choice to improve her life options. Pay your entire life for one impulsive mistake. We don't even make murderers do that. The article is stupid, but Canada has the law right."

Pay your entire life? Is adoption not an option anymore? Is it fair that the baby's life should be sacrificed to make the mother's a little more comfortable? Oh, and man that punishment is rough too, having to take care of a child who loves you, man that's right up there with capital punishment isn't it?

The choices we make have consequences, the fact that we live in a society that will do just about anything, up to and including killing babies, to avoid facing such consequences doesn't make it right.

As far as Canada having the law right. We don't really have much of a law to speak of, there is really no law regulating the practice of abortion in this country. It's available through all 9 months, for reasons including birth control, and with techniques including partial birth abortion.

Kathy said:

"What does 'unexpectedly pregnant' mean? They didn't know where babies come from?"

Well if we are to believe the demented babbling of leftard dippers like Todd and Antonia the medusoid, a lecture from the illuminated eugenics laypersons of the left on the mechanical functions of sex and a pack of condoms constitutes "education" and will save society from itself and ultimately save the planet....from those evil babies.

When all is said and done there is no one less tolerant of more people than a leftard...a lefty technocrat sees people as a "problem"...another mouth for the nanny state to feed, cloth, educate, give medical care and benefits to...the first course of action for the nanny state is to stop people from having other people and trim the population down to where the enlightened masters of the collective welfare state can make their insane cradle to grave economics actually work...but they never can...because the basic premise is that people are just a big problem for the lefty state.

lookout:

Thanks. May God Bless you and your family as well.

on a personal note, although libertarian and atheist and quite laissez-faire socially, I advocate adoption rather than abortion as I, myself, was adopted.

There is no rebuttal argument to that statement.

I agree. What is often termed pro-choice should be more properly termed pro-abortion. A true pro-choice position would allow a choice to the foetus. I cannot think of a situation where a foetus would make a choice any differently than the one this former foetus has just demonstrated.

I also found Zerbisias' premise that Knocked Up, an "R" rated sex comedy, peppered with cursing and drug use, was tailored to suit the preferences of the "religious right".

I also found Zerbisias' premise that Knocked Up, an "R" rated sex comedy, peppered with cursing and drug use, was tailored to suit the preferences of the "religious right", laughable.

Remember, those of you totally against abortion adoption is only a real option if you are white in our society. The chances of a black or aboriginal child being adopted is very small unless you are Angelina Jolie and trying to collect the whole set.

The excellent link provided by Kathy

http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

is a must read to see why black society is doomed as is the aboriginal because being an unwed mother is not a source of shame anymore and the women actually embrace it and want to be baby-mamas as long as welfare supports it. Patrick Daniel Moynihan’s earlier warning was right on. We are seeing the results on our Toronto streets every day.

Children emulate their parents and I am sure almost all of us here were raised in that nurturing evironment. When you have over 70% illegitimacy poverty is endemic. Looking forward to hearing your solutions to the problem. The obvious one, removing welfare, would be a tough sell in our liberal/socialist society.

"George Bush is forcing Hollywood to put out movies about pregnant girls who don't get abortions."

Please, please hate George W., we all know it's his fault along with his evil empire. Hate him for the children's sake! BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!!!

Used to be social conservatives decrying Hollywood for glamorizing sex, drinking recreational drugs etc. Back then the leftys like Zerbisias would make light of their complaints and claim that the cons could imagine a conspiracy wherever they looked. I guess finding conspiracies depends on who's ox (or sacred cow) is being gored.

"I find it truly sad that so many people on my favorite blog are so intolerant of a womens choice to improve her life options." "...... but Canada has the law right."

Posted by: Absinthe enhanced

If a woman wants to improve her life's options, she will either chose to keep the child or give the child up for adoption, and she will never have to live with the remorse of killing her own flesh and blood.....that is a lifetime of pain and guilt.

Plus Canada does not have a law which gives women the right to abort their children, it just doesn't say they can't.

crap, I mean ......'choose' to keep the child.....

It figures all of this points to Bush as the cause; I'm surprised Mike Harris isn't to blame, as well.

"I support a woman's right to promptly terminate an unwanted pregnancy"

Of course you do, anonymous. But she's already exercised her right of refusal to say "No", and thus by spreading her legs, she should accept responsibility for the consequences - along with the father, of course.

Or is that too black & white for you?

mhb23re
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Eeyore: "Therefore, when you abort, you end the life of a human being. PERIOD. FULL STOP. . . Therefore, women can still exercise their right to choose (it's just time-limited) and a viable human life is not snuffed."

Aren't you contradicting yourself here? It's a HUMAN BEING from the moment of conception. How can you justify abortion at any stage knowing this?

Infants are not viable on their own. They need someone to feed and care for them. Using your argument one could justify infanicide until a child can capture/grow/prepare it's own food.

I've been around long enough to see the change in society and am frankly disgusted. I fully think the pendulum has swung too far.

There was a time when a teen being pregnant was a non-event. The high school senior for some reason went to finish her final year visiting her "aunt" out of town. Now, pregnant teens are suing for workers comp and maternity leave from the school.

I agree with some of the commentors about the total lack of responsibility by anyone involved unless it is to blame someone else for not supporting their right to freely propagate on the state's dime.

btw, my view on abortion is mixed. While I'm not in the camp that two cells becoming four is viable life, there is a time that abortion should not be in the equation. Nor should it be a method of birth control and taken lightly. Rape and incest are other factors that must be looked at too. Being a mere male I know that all my musings don't mean much as I can't ever be pregnant but I can support and advise those I care for. Also, the word adoption is in my vocabulary.

Good grief. A person spends her time devoted to noble causes (justice, equality and other so called retrogade "60's ideas") and gets slammed with this offensive ad hominem crap.

If you disagree with her ideas go to her blog and debate her on those ideas. Are you afraid?

I got a girl pregnant in my late 20's, three decades ago. She was using a diaphragm, which she said "slipped". I don't know enough about that technology, so I'll give her a pass. And I didn't seduce or pursue her; on the contrary, she invited me to be with her while her husband was off with his mistress. But here's the thing:

The article said "Girls bear the baby and the brunt", while guys get bragging rights and walk away without emotional scars.

Well, not in this case. We were both white, university educated, and professionals. I begged her to have the baby, and put it up for adoption; it would have been adopted in an instant. But she chose an abortion, and this was her reason: embarrassment. Apparently, the life of a child that would have been loved and cherished by a barren couple was worth less to her than having to bear a red face for a few months. And of course, as a man, I had zero to do with the decision; it was my child too, and if she'd had and kept it, I'd have been on the hook for child support, like it or not. But when I got on my knees, tears pouring down my face, and asked her to give our child life, she said "No", and there was nothing I could do about it.

No emotional scars? I bear them every day. There's hardly a week go by that I don't wonder what that boy or girl might have done. I have two daughters, both of whom are in the "gifted" program at school. The younger one, according to the psychologist who did the testing, was "off the charts" - she'd never seen such scores in almost a decade of testing. I expect them to do great things; they're both driven and smart. What might this other child have accomplished? I'll never know.

I wrote a song about the incident 20 years ago; I play it to myself once or twice a month. Every time, I can't get through it without the tears pouring down my face. I want to emphasize that this woman was not ignorant (she was actually quite smart), teenaged, or destitute. In some of those cases, I've told people abortion may be a horrible choice, but it's the only choice. But embarrassment as the reason for ending a human life? We don't even consider the murder of a police officer as justification for ending someone's life, but embarrassment is sufficient?

I'm going to say it again: embarrassment is a reason for death?

And I say this for one other reason: my brother and sister-in-law tried to have a child for over ten years. About a year ago, they were finally allowed to adopt a wonderful little boy, who is a delight for all of us - especially his "nieces". But after a year, the adoption is still not official, and the boy might be taken away at any time. How many other children that might have found homes where they were loved and cherished are going to be sacrificed to the vanity of some women?

As I said, I have no decision. If she has the child, I have to pay child support; if I want it, I can't stop her from killing it. Heads you win; tails, I lose. Sounds like a perfect Liberal/NDP solution.

There should be more abortion clinics and more access to abortion. I am 100% in favour of a woman's right to make choices about her own body.

To John Murney: "There should be more abortion clinics and more access to abortion. I am 100% in favour of a woman's right to make choices about her own body."

I agree, she should be able to make CHOICES about her OWN body. However, when a woman is pregnant there is another body within her that is given no CHOICE. That child had no CHOICE in the act that conceived it, it has no CHOICE in who or how it will be raised. That other body should at least be given life so it too can CHOOSE how to live it just as the mother does.

Hi River Rat - there is a huge difference between a foetus and a child.
Besides, the rights of women should not be subordinate to the dead, the undead, or the unborn.

Hi John:

That fetus is human life. And, there really isn't any difference between it and the child it will become except for it's size.

Here is a quote from America's premier abortionist before he saw the light. "By week 12 the close of the so-called first trimester, the fetus is a fully developed, functioning human body in merest miniature, 3 in. in length and tipping the scales at 1/2 oz. It's fingerprints and sole and palm lines are now unique for each individual and remain for permanent identification throughout life. Facial expressions are now also individualized." (Aborting America by Dr. Nathanson)