"Canada's 'Human Rights' Commissions have managed to get anonymous website comments designated a crime and its investigators now go around leaving such comments themselves? Is that right? Traditionally, an 'agent provocateur' in the men's room has to entrap the guy into the adjoining stall into propositioning sex. In other words, the target still has to commit the actual crime. But in the case of the HRCs the agent provocateur can, in effect, commit the crime himself and then charge the target with it.
"Nice work if you can get it. Agent Steacy and other current or former CHRC employees who do likewise would undoubtedly insist that they're nice liberal progressives posing as anti-Semitic white supremacists. But who's to say it's not the other way round? Maybe someone should take them to the CHRC."
Posted by KShaidle at January 17, 2008 4:30 PMThey are out of control. The sooner they are shut down, the better.
Posted by: Honey Pot at January 17, 2008 4:42 PMAfter seeing Mr. Warman's success in such things, I was thinking of starting a blog, posting hateful comments on the thing, and then reporting myself and reaping the financial rewards.
Have not quite worked out where the money was to actually come from, though. But once I get that bit sorted out, I'll be offending myself regularly.
you can thank liberalism for this kind of insanity
Posted by: Brad at January 17, 2008 5:00 PMBut, but, but, the brave HRC staffers MEAN well.
They are FIGHTING hatred and racism, so it is OKAY if they use hatred and racism. What is so hard to figure out about that? They are simply fighting fire with fire, so it is OKAY. These noble hatred-fighters must be celebrated and rewarded; they are well beyond criticism. They are trying to make the Canada a better place, a place without hatred, racism, homophobia, and discrimination against women and short people. If you do not see this, you are blinded by your own hatred, racism, homophobia, and discrimination against women and short people. /sarcasm off
Posted by: terrence at January 17, 2008 5:10 PMterrence...I am a "short" person (please define short) and sarcasm or not, I'll see you in the Kangaroo Court....heh...NOT. Why can't the sheeple of Canuckistan see these clowns for what they are...mind control asshats???
Kathy...you figure out a way to take these leftards to their own "court", and I will gladly back you, both morally and financially.
Posted by: Justthinkin at January 17, 2008 5:14 PMI wonder if there will ever be a political leader with the cajones to rein in this preposterous assault on basic freedom.
Such a move would cause a big ruckus - mostly from the left. But such a politician would get my vote for many years to come.
Posted by: rabbit at January 17, 2008 5:14 PMhttp://tinyurl.com/34upqr
article from Real Clear Politics on this subject/
Posted by: MaryM at January 17, 2008 5:20 PM>
Steacy is an idiot. Freedom of Speech is an American concept....
From our Charter:
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.
Last time I checked speech is a communications medium, just like a newspaper, radio, television etc.
Nothing says the CIC can't publish their own independent version of Macleans with the world as they see it. I suspect the problem is nobody would buy it.
If (or when) Macleans is forced to publish every subscriber should forward their copy of the CIC article to CIC head office in protest.
Posted by: Geoff at January 17, 2008 5:24 PMIt's not nice to tel the truth about liberals..... it makes them ...... uncomfortable.
Posted by: OMMAG at January 17, 2008 5:25 PMMr Steacy likes to hang out at the "white nationalist" website Stormfront and post under the name "Jadwarr", as the CHRC quietly conceded just before Christmas (how appropriate eh!)...
I like to sing!!
Mr Aaaagent man, Mr Aaaagent man (or gal or it) -- you've got my IP address and I'm sure you'll pimp my rights...du, du, du, du du, du du... "MR RIGHTS PIMP" do ya hear me, DO YA HEAR ME, DO YA HEAR ME...These boots are made to step on your Rights! BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!!!
Posted by: Orlin at January 17, 2008 5:33 PMSteyn writes: "Dean Steacy, last heard from in these quarters explaining that "freedom of speech is an "American concept"." . . . An American concept . . .well now that explains the lack of interest the media have shown in Ezra's hearing. I thought maybe they did not realize that the hearing was about the principle of free speech . . . but I see, it's that free speech is not a Canadian value. Everyone who thought it was must have got it wrong.
Posted by: LindaL at January 17, 2008 5:35 PMWhen the invasion happens, all the leftards will volunteer to join the cause and denounce, first the Christians, then the Jews, then the heteros, then the capitalists, then the carnivores and the milk-drinkers and finally they will turn on each other in a desperate attempt to survive.
Gay against lesbian
Vegan against enviro-nut
Wiccan against atheist
Liberal against Dipper
By that time they will be ready to turn their backs on all their sacred cows (even being prepared to eat them if need be), just to survive.
Perhaps the acronym should be:
HRC agent rights provocateur
"HR-CRAP" -- more fitting...BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!!!
Lickmuffin -- eeeeeehhhhhhhhhhh!!!! you be the man....
Posted by: Orlin at January 17, 2008 5:43 PM when a blogger deletes coments some accuse them of censoring. if you don't delete offencive comments you can be a target for these complaints or your blog could be overrun by mindless drivel by those who don't want you to have a voice.
is that a paradox or a conundrum?
did I say somthing about mindless drivel?
Posted by: orvict at January 17, 2008 5:48 PMwonder if they ever use Arab speakers to stalk mulsim hate websites ??
Nah, didn't think so.
Posted by: Fred at January 17, 2008 5:54 PMThe use of agents provocateurs is an old communist tool, so no surprise here. Jihadists have been known to do the same.
The Left has no concept of honesty and honour, and these commie commissions are a product of the Left. If we hope to turn our country around, we need to start by the total dismantling of every HRC and the act.
I sent the following to the CBC Ombudsman today (on the fly: it's not my best effort, but I think it says enough).
I'm putting quotation marks only at the beginning and end.
"Dear Mr. Carlin
I listen to CBC Radio 2 regularly.
No doubt you and your journalists at CBC have had a whiff of the very important HRC cases now underway against Ezra Levant, under three different jurisdictions.
No doubt you’re all aware that freedom of the press and expression are central to these cases.
No doubt you’re also aware that the normal protections for a citizen in a free country, under the rule of law, are suspended in an HRC hearing, where, besides the defendant being considered guilty until he/she proves his/her own innocence, the regular rules of evidence are suspended: truth is no defence and hearsay evidence is accepted.
No doubt you’re aware that an HRC panel may consist of one person, who acts as prosecutor, judge, and jury.
No doubt you’re aware that all the expenses—with no risk to the complainant—of any case are paid for by the state, while the person complained about must mount his/her defence at his/her own expense. (There is no penalty for a nuisance case.)
No doubt you’re aware that virtually no complainant—always from Canada’s “official victims” groups—has ever lost their case.
No doubt you’re aware that law abiding Canadian citizens are persecuted and punished by the state for exercising their encoded free speech rights.
No doubt, like the rest of us, CBC might think that due process has been suspended and we have kangaroo courts in our midst.
This is a matter of the gravest concern to all of us in Canada, and it is CBC’s duty to inform Canadians of this danger to their freedoms in our midst.
Why has the CBC remained silent?"
Of course, there WAS Rex Murphy, but not on Radio 2 or on the regular news.
The sooner CBC current affairs gets consigned to the dustbin, the better. Who the hell do they think they are? (A combination of the official opposition and enforcers. As my uncle would say, "What a crew!")
I LOVE Lickmuffin's idea about "offending myself regularly" and then reporting the offences to the HRC ;-)
Interesting times we're living in . . .
'Just checked my emails. Here's the ombudsman's response to the above:
"CBC's Office of the Ombudsman is independent of CBC program management and thus has no say in day-to-day programming decisions. However, I have shared your e-mail with senior information programmers so that they may be aware of your concerns.
Yours truly,
Vince Carlin
CBC Ombudsman"
Dear Canadian Friends,
Please see below a link to an oped piece by a conservative Australian writer and lawyer, Janet Albrechtsen, presently visiting Canada and writing on the Levant case.
I include the link to the blog postings that followed her piece - which seems to me to be about protecting freedom of speech.
The venom, vitriol and sheer hatred evident in some of the posts is appalling, and demonstrates again the juvenile commitment of the Left to authoritarianism and censorship of views that dissent from their orthodoxy.
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/janetalbrechtsen/index.php/theaustralian/comments/too_many_rights_make_a_wrong/#commentsmore
Posted by: Kevo of Sydney at January 17, 2008 6:05 PMThe reason that people from Osgood Hall stick up for Saudi Arabia is that Saudi Arabia is BIG OIL and they are in the pocket of BIG OIL.Osgood Hall thrives on BIG OIL.
Posted by: spike 1 at January 17, 2008 6:11 PMHow much money does the potentates of Saudi Arabia give the CHRC under the table? It may also be a recipeant of BIG OIL.BIG OIL greases many palms around the world and mostly in unexpected but influential places.
Posted by: spike 1 at January 17, 2008 6:17 PMI've got to assume Kate's site in on the Canadian socialist's Subversives List. Expect a day when her site screen is blank.
irwin daisy is my first choice to be tried, convicted and, if only they could, hung as a menace to society.
Stalin lives!!!!
Posted by: penny at January 17, 2008 6:23 PM...so if you want to shut down and discredit a site, all you have to do is go and make outrageous and hateful comments about some protected group, anonymously...
How very convenient for people with no morality
I vehemently dislike, nay maybe even hate, the CHRC and all its provincial siblings.
Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at January 17, 2008 7:03 PMLickmuffin, you post a request for donations to your defense fund of course. But I think that would be fraudulent and a bad idea.
Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at January 17, 2008 7:05 PMLindaL, silly you.
Canadian values are as defined by the Liberal (party) establishment. Obescence to People of Canadian Value is upmost importantly.
It used to be said in the UK that the Church of England was the Tory Party at prayer. The United Church of Canada is the Liberal Party at some kind of deep inner conversation with itself.
With deep apologies to those who are sincere members of the United Church and are not Liberals.
Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at January 17, 2008 7:19 PM
Alain, agents provocateurs is a French expression. I think dating at least from the 18th C.
Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at January 17, 2008 7:21 PMDO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO.
Posted by: real conservative at January 17, 2008 7:25 PMsmall claims court, with a judge, makes the complainer pay all costs up front and the guilty pays the tab if proven guilty. It works! I been there. The Hrcs aren't about rights or the law, there about ignorant fheads who can't do anything marketable.
Posted by: reg dunlop at January 17, 2008 7:38 PMconcerned canadian - Could I suggest that you write the CBC Ombudsman back, and ask him what, precisely, the Ombud Office does, if he claims that it is 'independent of 'program management' and 'day to day programming decisions'. What is the CBC - other than programs and their content?
You weren't asking for a special program on the HRC; you were asking why their news was not reporting on an important news item of concern to Canadians.
Posted by: ET at January 17, 2008 7:40 PMOne of these days , I'll get around to thanking Ma and Pa D . Cat for naming me
Bill.
After the Cons win a majority this kangaroo court BS will go the way of the Court Challenges program - or at least reined in to the point where the Constitution has a bearing on decisions - from the get go, before some of these blantantly shortsighted and ignorant decisions are made. In the meantime keep your friends abroad info'd about this. It's embarassing but the world needs to know just how far our ultra-leftists have gone. I've almost given up on the general Canadian public - seems you can't squeeze the fine print definition of FREE SPEECH(!!) into a 30-45 second clip so we'll have to settle with half the population saying their biggest concern is the enviroment (most of whom are part of the problem) or Health Care (most of whom haven't been in a hospital since birth). The reason CBC/CTV/ETC have no issue with Mr Levant or the oxyorinic Human Rights Commission is because they would not EVER think of showing the 'offending' cartoons anyway. It's like TSN not giving a damn if the Home and Gardening channel gets jacked up for showing too many roofing jobs (probably a Union thing - work with me here). Every time I see that commercial about a house infested with 'bankers' I think of Liberals. Something has to be done about our 40 year infestation.
Rant off../
Posted by: Garry at January 17, 2008 9:39 PMSomeone should launch a human rights complaint against the HRC.
Posted by: Richard Ball at January 17, 2008 10:16 PMI think we should all direct our posts to the kangaroo courts and ask them if it is permissible to post it. This will overload them with paperwork and stop them from doing more damage. Play their rules against them. Better to fight the system from the inside versus from the outside.
Preface it that you do not wish to offend anyone and could they identify who could possibly be offended by your post before you post it.
This is political correctness gone amuck.
Posted by: Fiumara at January 17, 2008 10:17 PMorvict 5:45pm : I find your use of the word "offencive" subversive and offensive. Do I have a human rights complaint against you for being offended by this, or do you have a human rights complaint against me, for me being offended against you?
In order to stave off action on your part, let me preemptively apologize without reservation for any offensive offence, whether intentionally intended, unintendedly unintentional, or otherwise, vica-versa, etc. etc.
Posted by: Richard Ball at January 17, 2008 10:23 PMThe Globe and Mail was censoring most of the posts that mentioned Ezra in a comments thread on censorship in the middle east a couple of days ago.
Posted by: Stan at January 17, 2008 10:38 PMP.C run amuk. yes. But this issue has caught fire in the blogosphere. And it highlights so many other issues along the way.The msm continues to ignore it or dismiss the players as fringe loons thus trying to prevent ordinary people from taking notice.
How can we get their attention.
People who are in the know are angry.
the left brushes the issue off.
I believe that it may be a turning point issue.
An issue where we can push back and win.
But I believe it should be just a beginning
We should steal some of the plays from their playbook if that can be done without sacrificing our integrity.
What ever your beliefs you must speak truth to power.
that's the best idea yet, Fiumara.thanks E8:j
Posted by: reg dunlop at January 17, 2008 10:45 PMThis is just unbelievable. An agent of Canadian government talking about freedom of speech, saying:
MR. STEACY: It's not my job to give value to an American concept.
This person must be complete idiot. The agent has no concept of decency, not that the fascists/socialists/communists have any concept of decency, of course, otherwise they would not be in pursuit of the three most destructive, the totalitarian forms of social and political control of entire countries.
Something from personal knowledge.
During the 50’s, there was a lot of this going on in the communist countries. In one case in a Central European country ruled by communists, there were many, many people like Steacy, one of these low lives’s managed to get a whole soccer team busted and tried and sentenced to actual jail time.
I ‘Suppose the times are changing, now you just get a fine. Or maybe we have just not got to that stage yet.
In the 80's, my brother lived in a roominghouse in Parkdale after his divorce..not the best, but the best he could afford..his downstairs neighbour, was insane.He had a leak in the basement, and lived in 4 feet of water for 4 months, before anyone discovered the problem.
My brother, being a helping type, left his toolbox, with pipe wrentches etc, at the mans door to 'take the hint' and fix the problem..
About a month later, he received a notice in the mail to attend a 'tribunal' of housing directors to explain why he had 'terrorised' this man with his toolbox! I kid you not!
He was expected to go before this quasi court and explain his 'oppressive' behaviour, and to plead why he should not be kicked out..he told them to stuff it up their tukus, moved in with me and swore never to let anyone have that kind of control over his life ever again.
Posted by: Kursk at January 17, 2008 10:58 PMThis is from
http://sleepyoldbear.com/Bearblog/?p=628
A great letter from the University of Calgary (myself, BA ‘72), sent to me by the Society for Academic Freedom http://sleepyoldbear.com/Bearblog/?p=628and Scholarship, of which I am happy to be a member.
It reads thus:
Mr. Prime Minister:
A wise man, named Stephen Harper, once made the following
observation:
“Human Rights Commissions, as they are evolving, are an
attack on our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence
of a democratic society … It is in fact totalitarianism.
I find this is very scary stuff.” (BC Report, Jan. 11,
1999
Interesting what you can find on the net.
This is no joking matter, it is deadly serious!! For an officer of the Canadian Human Rights Commission to state, in writing no less, that he (and presumably the CHRC) does not accept the fact that anyone in this country has a right to freedom of speech is nothing more than a complete travesty. I would expect, NO, I FUCKING WELL DEMAND an explanation as to where in the hell this asshole is coming from. Just who in hell gave him the right to make such a statement? This is the sort of crap that breeds revolutions!!!!
Everyone write your MP and ask for an explanation.
Sometimes the story they chose to ignore says a lot about the Canadian Main Stream Media;
" A "right winger Jew " being harassed by a Muslim radical and the HRC?
Why would we care?
We are the liberal media. "
How the complaint came about:
ezralevant.com/2008/01/how-the-complaint-came-about.html
Media coverage:
ezralevant.com/2008/01/media-coverage.html
If you can't speak freely, without fear or favo(u)r,
You aren't really free, are you?
Posted by: backhoe at January 18, 2008 4:00 AMET @ 7:40 p.m.: good suggestion. However, I'll just get the usual run around, CBC's specialty.
I write my complaints with CCs to politicians in order to have a "paper" trail: when the time comes to radically prune the CBC, they won't be able to say, "But we had no idea . . . "
The CBC refuses to take any responsibility for its OMISSIONS, which are just as good a form of bias, spin, and censorship as deliberately inaccurate coverage.
Remember, the Ombudsman's Office is a little Star Chamber of its own. The citizen writes in the complaint, there's no hearing, and Mr. Carlin--well, sometimes with the help of some friends over at CBC--is the sole arbiter of the information. His convoluted and usually altogether inadequate excuses--though politely written--are the final say. There is no appeal and none of what's gone on is seen by the public.
IF there's an admission of the CBC being less than perfect--that's happened for me about twice in nearly 30 years!--there appear to be no consequences for the offending party. Certainly, the public never hears about it. Some “open and transparent” procedure (John Cruickshank?) Some due process!
Let’s see if I hear any more about this egregious omission and dereliction of duty. I’m not holding my breath.
Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 18, 2008 8:28 AMIt is not just freedom of speech they are attempting to annihilate, it is also the truth.
Publishing cartoons that accurately show the character of the war criminal Mohammad is being challenged. If they win this case, the next thing they will challenge is publishing the actual content of the Islamic trilogy, especially as it has to do with Mohammad's words and actions.
Imagine, publishing and exposing the actual Islamic texts that incite Muslims to hate and violence becomes misconstrued as a hate crime against Muslims.
Where will this madness end?
Posted by: irwin daisy at January 18, 2008 12:59 PM