make sure when your are pointing fingers the right direction.

Visiting the Kaaba in 1853, Sir Richard Francis Burton noted that

The colour appeared to me black and metallic, and the centre of the stone was sunk about two inches below the metallic circle. Round the sides was a reddish brown cement, almost level with the metal, and sloping down to the middle of the stone. The band is now a massive arch of gold or silver gilt. I found the aperture in which the stone is, one span and three fingers broad. [11]
The Black Stone has been described variously as basalt lava, an agate, a piece of natural glass or — most popularly — a stony meteorite. It is evidently a hard rock, having survived so much handling. A significant clue to its nature is provided by an account of the stone's recovery in 951 AD after it had been stolen 21 years earlier; according to a chronicler, the stone was identified by its ability to float in water. If this account is accurate, it would rule out the stone being an agate, basalt lava or stony meteorite, though it would be compatible with it being glass or pumice.[12]

It has been suggested that the Black Stone may be a glass fragment from the impact of a fragmented meteorite some 6,000 years ago at Wabar, a site in the Rub' al Khali desert some 1,100 km east of Mecca. The craters at Wabar are notable for the presence of blocks of silica glass, fused by the heat of the impact and impregnated by beads of nickel-iron alloy from the meteorite (most of which was destroyed in the impact). Some of the glass blocks are made of shiny black glass with a white or yellow interior and gas-filled hollows, which allow them to float on water. Although scientists did not become aware of the Wabar craters until 1932, they were located near a caravan route from Oman and were very likely known to the inhabitants of the desert. The wider area was certainly well-known; in ancient Arabic poetry, Wabar or Ubar (also known as "Iram of the Pillars") was the site of a fabulous city that was destroyed by fire from the heavens because of the wickedness of its king. If the estimated age of the crater is accurate, it would have been well within the period of human habitation in Arabia and the impact itself may have been witnessed

I desperately hope Ezra Levant files a complaint with the federal Human Rights Commission, naming all of these group members as co-defendants. I also hope that he provide us with daily updates of the progress of the case, and how vigorously the HRC pursues his case. Let us see if they pursue these people as rigorously as they have pursued him.

On a somewhat related note, did anyone catch this little nugget in the National Post yesterday?

Scenes of the violent, hysterical rage engulfing global christendom have not yet hit the wires.

But the day isn't over yet.

(And, at risk of stating the obvious, Christians would be well advised to follow the example of their founder and just let it slide.)

" and let it slide"

and that they will do.

but the muslims should be upset as well with a poor taste depiction of a previous prophet.

Now that, my friends looks like a hate crime fit for an HRC complaint.

Any way to get past the login pages ? Without logging in ?

And these goofballs will wonder why facebook will get rid of it, considering it's a hate crime.

Just look at the comments.

how do you like liberal immigration policies now?

this country has imported all of its problems - the muslims responsible should be imprisoned for hate crimes and then deported back to their mudhuts

You have to start an account to access the page, unfortunately. It's the only reason I have one, so I hope those who keep sending me friend requests understand why I never return them.

You can see the gist of the page on the screenshot, though.

I got the gist from the screenshot .... no freaking way I set up an account .

"Disenfranchised", "underprivileged" and "oppressed" youths all, to use PC French intifada terminology.

Please use the "report" tab for both the group, and the single hate comment inside the group.

Ezra would likely be completely opposed to complaining to any HRC about the Jew comments on Facebook. He clearly stated that inciting to violence is where he drew the line or in councilling to violence; or with copyright laws, national security issues, fraud, libel etc.

If you want freedom of speech, give it to others. If somebody slags your race or creed, suck it up or win the debate or PR battle.

Of course, if they incite to violence against you; or persecute you via employment etc., then use the courts ... or contact facebook.

It appears to violate Facebook's Terms of Use (which, unlike the AHRC, is perfectly within Facebook's private right to establish).

Wonder how long before it gets yanked?

I'm particularly intrigued by the fixation these fellows (and they are all fellows) have with 'buttsecks' in exchange for money:

bendsoverforthis.com, bendsoverforthat.com

What to make of that, eh?

The fun you could have making up your own obscene imaginary urls in response...

I filed the following report on Facebook under the heading "Attacks on a group or individual".

I would like to report this group as the statements on it are anti-Semitic, abusive, and ethnically objectionable. The offending statements include:
“Quote from this fag”
“Ezra Levant is a piece of shit JEW”
“i hope this fagot get hiss ass kicked in before he dies and goes to hell”

It violates the terms of use on Facebook in the following ways:
"upload, post, transmit, share, store or otherwise make available any content that we deem to be harmful, threatening, unlawful, defamatory, infringing, abusive, inflammatory, harassing, vulgar, obscene, fraudulent, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable"

Thanks for the link. Hopefully it'll get yanked pretty quickly.

Wait until they find out that facebook is under no obligation to propagate their freedom of speech. That, in fact, their little group breaks the rules over at facebook........

humm..are these fanatics taxi drivers? Remember the disgusting spectacle of that group of taxi drivers, in Calgary, in Canada cheering when the World Trade Center was attacked and destroyed?
I am not making this up.

Consider them reported.

I reported them as well...I also noted,that in the photos of the 'members' of this lovely little group,there are parents (I assume) holding little kids.Nice upbringing,for people living in OUR country!

Ezra had a good column on Ahenakew when he melted down and talked about Hitler frying the Jews. He said the answer to to an idiot like that was to treat him like an idiot, not use hate laws against him.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Levant_Ezra/2006/06/12/1626504.html

That is a hate crime if there ever was one. If I were Ezra, I would by-pass the HRC and have these scum bags charged in a real court.

These pigs could start a blog, if they had any guts at all. It could be fun.

Making a complaint to the HRC would imply that the HRC is a valuable and worthwhile organization. Don’t shut down their Facebook group. Let all the little darlings stand up and be counted. It’s almost patriotic of them to give CSIS such a helping hand.

We welcomed those little dirt-bags into our country?

Shame on us. Liberalism and acceptance of those mutants are what is destroying our freedoms in the West.

We must fight back. You can see what rolling over looks like in Europe. We must not allow those skid-marks to prevail.

We can fight back by shunning them. I will not do business with, rent to, or hire a Muslim until I am convinced they are decent freedom-loving Jew-accepting Canadians.

They have to prove themselves worthy, not Ezra or any of us.

What are the odds on that?

Whenever I call for a taxi, I tell the dispatcher that i have a dog - I don't want to deal with someone who has a problem with that.

When it comes to getting my lunch, I frequent establishments owned and operated by non-Muslims (this means that even if I'm craving falafel, I can't always have it).

I go to convenience stores that are Chinese or Korean owned - not Arab owned.

We don't NEED them here, and we do not have to help pay their salaries so they can send money home to fund jihad. I'm with John West - shun them till they either smarten up, or go back to the desert.

RG

From the screenshot . . .

**Bet I could find 1 million who dislike George Bush.**

To which the answer is . . .

Bet anyone could find 300 million who would prefer George Bush to any group who governs by head chopping. = TG

I would hope no one files complaints with any HRC.
We should avoid giving them any recognition for any reason. What would be in order is letters to mp's & mla's of all parties in every jurisdiction demanding a change in our laws to stop this process of intimidation.
To observe the behoiur of human rights commisions in Canada makes me weep for our Nation.

Ezra correctly pointed out that the reason an ever increasing number of people hate muslims is not because of what muslims are; it is because of what muslims do.

Case in point, know2ing who the offenders are, what will the so called "moderate" muslims actually do to the “few” the made the many look like idiots by calling Ezra a shitty Jew?

If Jewish kids were responsible for this type of crap, which seems unlikely in the first place, the Jewish community would sincerely try to clean it up.

Does anyone think that the "moderate" muslims will pay this anything more that the most mealy mouthed lip service IF and ONLY IF they are taken to task? Not too likely.

The silver lining is the reasonable accommodation movement arising in Quebec. It turns out Quebec and the rest of Canada are finally a“we” who will have to stand together against what is clearly and rapidly becoming “them”.

There are a few brave principled muslims out there who are desperately trying to stand up to islamofascist tyranny at great personal risk. I hope that they will be given the respect and understanding they deserve.

It was once said "Hate feels sooooo good! Better than an after dinner mint!"

Ali Zee - Admin (Calgary)
Usher Ahmed (Calgary)
Super Samer (Calgary)
Issam Zeineddine (Forest Lawn High School)
Khalil Jeha (Calgary)
Hussien Abdulbaki (Calgary)
Abe Rafih (Calgary)
Bassam Youssef (Lebanon)
Issam Khalil (Calgary)
Manal Abdallah (MRC CA Alum '07)

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.


Looks like we're rounding second base!

Number 823 on the list of things you won't be seeing on Little Mosque on the Prairie ... that is, if you actually watch that dreck.

Looks like the troofers are trying to pad their little world by using their vids as "responses" to Ezra's videos.........

And of course the enlightened left are there as well, telling Ezra to go back to Israel....

Ali Zee - Admin (Calgary)
Usher Ahmed (Calgary)
Super Samer (Calgary)
Issam Zeineddine (Forest Lawn High School)
Khalil Jeha (Calgary)
Hussien Abdulbaki (Calgary)
Abe Rafih (Calgary)
Bassam Youssef (Lebanon)
Issam Khalil (Calgary)
Manal Abdallah (MRC CA Alum '07)

Speaking of pieces of shit...

A couple of years ago in Calgary I attended a "peace rally" organized by Muslims. I saw the face of hatred that day toward the Jews so this facebook episode does not in the least surprise me.

They should be exposed. Pictures, place of employment, etc. Just put the info out there and let people decide if they want to associate with them or their employees.

Canada is importing hordes of these savages to pay taxes and take care of us when we're old - is that a brilliant strategy or what!

Reported to Facebook admins.

EyesWideShut - these little punks represent middle class "moderate" Muslims, I find it hard to believe otherwise. Ali Zee's vile ant-Semitism has instant approval with his peers, who are not a little group of rogue skinheads mind you, but, what appears easily assembled ordinary peers united by ethnicity and location.

I can't imagie any Jewish kid I've ever know ever behaving like Ali, they don't learn hatred at their dinner table or in their synagogues.

I'm convinced that hatred is necessary to Islam.

Penny

That is why we desperately need to be able to debate statements such as your assertion that "I'm convinced that hatred is necessary to islam".

Because your statement would likley prove to have merit, the "moderate" muslims will do everything in their power from boo hoo hoo to violence to the HRC to stifle all reasonable debate. If we let them win we might as well size up our daughters for berkas and teach our boys how to treat women like chattel.

I am glad we have brave intellectuals like Levant and Steyn as champions for our cause.

Metaphor alert: Better to turn a rock over as Kate did and be able to examine in detail the bugs blinking and squirming as the light shines on them than to stand on the rock and try to squash the nasty little creatures.

That comprises one of the most compelling arguments in favor of free speech within a society, and I hope nobody here falls into the trap of trying to suppress speech just because it's odious and disgusting by running to the HRCs to report garbage like this.

Yes, the hypocrisy of these particular bugs is as blatant as their language is offensive; still, short of criminal incitements to violence, we can look after ourselves much better than Nanny can.

That should give the bored among you something to do

kate's carrot dangles pretty close...tick tick tick

I disagree with "taking the high road" in this case. The Islamics are using the HRC's as a weapon against anyone who dares to criticize or ridicule them, so we should reply in kind.

The truth will NOT become self evident to most of today's Canadian society, as was proved in the recent federal election. Liberal scandals should have devastated the party at the polls, and look what happened.

The radical Islamists will continue to use HRC's and whatever other weapons they can discover in our blessed Charter. While we take the high road, they'll occupy positions of power within the Country, and someday make Sharia our law.

You can't fight a guerilla war while marching in a "thin red line" in broad daylight. They realize that, it's about time we did, too.

I've joined the Ezra Levant is (*&^^*( Jew and posted one of "The Cartoons"

Awaiting the avalanche of hate mail, and hopefully I can do a cash grab at the HRC.

Seems a lot easier than working for a living

ezra get into politics we need you

I disagree with "taking the high road" in this case. The Islamics are using the HRC's as a weapon against anyone who dares to criticize or ridicule them, so we should reply in kind.

I understand the sentiment but if you do that you're falling into a large trap. The Internet affords opportunities to fight them in a far more effective way, as Kate has done today, than running to the HRC and begging it to be the arbiter of what speech is acceptable.

Ezra Levant has been positively eloquent on this point and has become an instant celebrity in some of the leading U.S. conservative blogs. I can safely predict his answer if asked whether these troglodytes should be reported to the HRCs.

Taking the high road does not work when doing battle. Make no mistake, this is a clarion call. Mr. Levant has started the ball rolling on some very serious issues.
In cases like this taking the high road amplifies the worst traits of liberalism.
Most battles are won in the trenches.
Thank you Ezra!!!

Scott, brilliant. I did the same!

RG

now im mad

So who's going to haul them before an HRC tribunal?

So what can Canadians do to stop this dangerous nonsense and restore some sanity in this country? We certainly don't want to move in the direction of Western Europe, but that seems to be the direction we're heading. We don't seem to have any political leaders talking straight, and the major media is of little help. What next?

I'll bet Robert McClelland is masturbating to the Face Book screen shot of Ezra getting spewed and insulted by young Muslim frustrated hate-filled, virgin males (can't do it till you are married eh boys).

Robert's blog post on the topic is more or less ... we are all rubes and yokels and don't understand the complexities and necessities of the HRC undertaking this case and others. It is the natural thing to do in a decent society.

IN A POLICE STATE ROBBIE!

Remember this ... and Ezra made the point to that hag who is interviewing him or vice versa. When people cannot speak up against things they want to change or that they believe is wrong they naturally start shooting. We see it in many non-free countries all over the world all the time. Do we all think this is not real? That it cannot happen here?

Stating opinions and positions is how progress and change come about. Without open and free dialog freedom is stifled and we enter a dark age and endless warfare on many fronts by many factions.

That is where Liberalism can lead us. It has before.

Ezra Levant is a piece of shit JEW

what a terrible thing to say. the funny thing is, before 9/11, most of you were busy being worried about the jews until you heard about the muslims. and there ain't none of you that ever got over the negroes.

let's not even worry about the chinamen. of course we know it's a redneck's god-given right you despise the indians...

Posted by: Bart F. at January 13, 2008 6:17 PM

This young man and his so-called art of Christ doesn't come without a price. Christ is a living God, and if a person does not fear him - too bad for them.

Who cares if Ezra is a Jew - what does that even matter. I have never even thought to fear a Jewish person.

Damn. They closed down the wall and message board on the Facebook group. And Scott and I were having so much fun!

RG

ALI removed the cartoons and closed the group ...

Looks like the "Wall Comments" have been removed from that Facebook page.

Ali Zee has been busy. Group membership is now closed and the cartoons removed.

How amusing.  Within the space of five minutes (7:38 to 7:42 P.M. Calgary time, January 13) the group went from being open to being closed and requiring admin approval to join.  Of course, that was necessary from these childrens' points of view — after all, while it was open, four cartoons explicitly lampooning Muhammad were posted, and two people who were *not* part of the "hating" posted messages.

Poor babies.  They believe in freedom of expression — theirs and only theirs, that is...

Interestingly, this Facebook group is now a closed group, and the members are now down to 9 (was 14 just half an hour ago).

And I was having so much fun with RG.

Maybe that was the problem RG, you should have been covered head to toe in black cloth.

Whoops. Sorry. You can beat me, I suppose...

RG

Here's what Ali Zee, admin of the Facebook group had to say to me after I sent him a quick msg

ME: Jeez, can't you guys take a joke??

ALI ZEE: who's "you guys" are referring too i see you comments on smalldeadanimals.com and the comments are the very reason everyone hates jews. You automatically think that we were all born in different countries..WRONG! We were all born here and have every right to be here as any other Canadian citizen is. So you all can suck my mother f*&(^ing sand ni&^er d%$k.

I slightly modified that last phrase. Does he kiss his mom with that mouth??

Ezra Levant is a piece of shit JEW

what a terrible thing to say. the funny thing is, before 9/11, most of you were busy being worried about the jews until you heard about the muslims. and there ain't none of you that ever got over the negroes.

let's not even worry about the chinamen. of course we know it's a redneck's god-given right you despise the indians...

Jeff,

I don't know who 'most of us' are. I have never worried about Jews (except for their safety) and I don't know anyone who ever did.

I don't think about Negroes unless they are on TV whining for someone to make their lives better for them as if that is possible.

The Chinese are doing just fine and they don't bother me since they largely stay in their own community, take care of themselves and don't invite whitey to their shopping malls. They don't firebomb synagogues.

The Indians ... now that's another story. As long as they have rights and privileges that other Canadians don't have ... and as long as they deem themselves down-trodden and unable to cope in the modern world, while taking aver 10 billion dollars from the rest of us every year ... I have a god-given right to despise them or any other race who have such little self-respect that they would allow themselves to be the pathetic excuse for a culture that they are.

A successful Indian is one who got a free watered-down law or social work degree and is now paid by the government to help look after other Indians.

None of this string was about racism except for your comments. It's about humans being able to speak freely and make their thoughts and desires known to others ... to respect each other. The Liberal way of trying control the attitudes and thoughts of citizens cannot work ever. The would require torture and complete control of the population.

That science is settled.

Now go back to Rabble.ca where you belong.

His mom was probably stoned to death for showing her toes or something.

RG

ALI ZEE: who's "you guys" are referring too i see you comments on smalldeadanimals.com and the comments are the very reason everyone hates jews.

For purposes of this discussion, ALI ZEE, we're all Jews and in a society based on "Western Values" you're the secular version of an infidel.

Look everyone, the "free case of beer on the door step" is back, and he apparently has the ability to read our minds six years ago.

Well I guess everyone needs a talent, for sure that photography is not his strong suit.

You can educate a person in a decade, to civilize him can take centuries. The only thing the uncivilized understand is sheer brute force, anything else is taken as a weakness. Only the gullible the foolish and the weak believe otherwise.

Hey, come on you guys. Leave these poor "youths" alone.

It could be worse: They could be out burning cars.

/tongue in cheek

That jeff would probably burn his own car.Tho it would make him famous on jackass.

Hey Rightgirl: thanks for being racist. Being pissed at Nutcase Jihadis is one thing - they don't respect our free and open society and our democratic values. Honest immigrants are another, and it seems to me that you're too lazy to do the work to figure out which is which. Disgusting.

Interesting juxtaposition comparing Jesus Christ to Mohammed: Some artist portrays Jesus with an erection and as a Christian, far from being insulted I am confirmed in my faith. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Being fully man He was subject to all the frailties of humanity. If Jesus never had an erection Jesus was never a man. If Jesus was less than fully man I am lost for a less than fully human Jesus is not sufficient unto salvation.

Mohammed by his own admission terrorized people, killed people enslaved people and took other people’s possessions by force of arms. Why then do Muslims try to hide those facts by expressing outrage over a cartoon depicting Mohammed as a terrorist? Either Mohammed was telling the truth about his actions or he was lying. Either what Mohammed did was despicable and needs to be hidden or Mohammed was the prophet of Allah and his actions celebrated in art, music and even cartoons.

Definitely don't take these Muslim guys to any HRC. It defeats the purpose: They're free to spew as much hatred as they want, in a free country. But there is a cost to this, which they seem to be paying: They're being ridiculed and "censored" not by a government agency but by right- and fair-minded Canadians.

Look, sorry to harp on this, especially to those of you who have absolutely NO idea what I'm talking about. But Grant, in a comment above, asks, "So what can Canadians do to stop this dangerous nonsense and restore some sanity in this country?"

We can begin to have faith in the faith that made our once-great country great. If you follow the trajectory of the Librano wins, of the decimation of the family, of the decimation of our population due to abortion, the pill, and the non-forming of families, the hedonism of Western society, you'll discover that it is connected to the loss of our Judeo-Christian faith.

Notwithstanding Christianity's many failures and weaknesses (and there is no Christian faith without the faith of, in John Paul the Great's words, Christianity's "elder brothers and sisters" of the faith, the root of Jesse) its tenets of faith and the values they espouse are the foundational values upon which our judicial, political, and civic life are founded.

It is these values upon which Western democracies rest, which are the envy of the world--and the reason why immigration flows from countries governed by tyrants to countries founded on these values.

I guess it's never too late. I live in hope. But we've been putting the axe to the root that has sustained us for a long, long time with tragic consequences, all of which we have become too familiar with.

We've got to stop hacking away at it, and begin to shore it up. There's no magic pill we can take to make it better.

As the Good Book puts it: "Without a vision, the people perish."

We've been given a vision of loving our neighbour as ourselves (the reason why Canada has public health and a public education system, both fast being eroded by the takers because there are so few givers left) and have squandered this vision for lives of greed and self-gratification. The Bible calls this squandering our birthright for a bowl of pottage.

We have to re-connect with what really is of value: sacrifice, sharing, giving, and caring instead of self-fulfillment, greed, hording, and self-centredness. And these are faith values, which need to be re-found and appropriated; they can't be bought.

If these had been the hallmarks of our society over the past 50 years, there's no way the Librano$ could have foisted their secular, utilitarian, power-at-any-cost governments on us. There's no way we would have allowed an immigration system that undermined our democratic way of life in order to win the Librano$ votes and to take the place of our own children, which we didn't have, to pay for our old age.

'See what I'm saying? There's no easy fix. We've made our bed and now we're lying in it.

They sound like typical hateful Liberal/NDP voters to me.

Jeff Davidson
Location: Toronto : Ontario : Canada
About Me
professional photographer, wannabe musician and happily married father of 2

from Jeff Davidson Blogsite. with 2600 views. poor Jeff, and I mean poor , the photography is poor and the income sets him in the lower end,he should hitch to a dipper star, not a low end liberal.

One member from Facebook targeting Ezra:

Issam Zeineddine (Forest Lawn High School)

http://www.cbe.ab.ca/schools/view.asp?id=243 (Forest Lawn School)

"School Mission

Our Vision for Forest Lawn High School...an intercultural community of learners who value and celbrate diversity and collaboration on a daily basis. We are committed to building knowledge, developing responsible attitudes, and demonstrating competencies for life in a complex and changing world."

"Unique Points

.... A multicultural school where cultural and ethnic diversity are the greatest strengths, ensuring tolerance and respect are of utmost importance.

Multicultural celebrations are held throughout the year to acknowledge and celebrate with various ethnic groups their special days."

Seems the school has some work to do yet.

I'm for defending Ezra in his battle with the Human Rights Commission, because I'm standing up for freedom of speech, and freedom of opinion.

That said, I don't agree with what he did when he published those cartoons. They are in poor taste, deeply offensive to Muslims, and intentionally provocative. There are better ways to make his point.

I don't agree with what he did, but I defend his right to do it. A fair person cannot reasonably support Ezra's right to do and say what he did, and not also support the right of these individuals to do and say what they have. The right to free speech doesn't involve whether we agree with what is said.

Indeed, I believe that's their point, and Ezra's.

Quote"I desperately hope Ezra Levant files a complaint with the federal Human Rights Commission, naming all of these group members as co-defendants. I also hope that he provide us with daily updates of the progress of the case, and how vigorously the HRC pursues his case. Let us see if they pursue these people as rigorously as they have pursued him."

I certainly hope he doesn't do such a thing. Both Ezra and Steyn have made it clear they find HRC a waste of government money and a useless, biased commission. By filing a complaint, I believe they would be legitimizing the commission, and implying through it's usage it's functional purpose, ie, by using it, they justify it's need. I don't think they can have it both ways, that would be hypocritical and I would hope to believe unlike their ethical characters.

As well, though I find the Facebook posting repulsive in it's nature, and obviously done to instill hate and be intentionally offensive, If we are to believe in free speech, we need to accept it's existence and right to be said, as vile as it's message may be. It's our reaction to it that will exemplify what the stuff of our characters is made of.

Furthermore, be glad they have posted this and shown their identity. Remember, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. ;-)

As Hirsi Ali noted in her book "Infidel" muslims, as she was, are taught to hate Jews from birth. Even though she and her family had never seen or met one they learned to fear and hate them and to kill them as the Koran told them to.

Its all part of the religion of peace.

Looks like Rutherford will have a few folks to call from QR77 tomorrow morning, most of these fine facebook are locals from Calgary. I suspect with typical muslim morals they will run and hide.

lying and running are permissible.

http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

*
" kate's carrot dangles pretty close...tick tick tick
Posted by: jeff davidson at January 13, 2008 8:56 PM"

انتفاضة فلسطي

you can always count on jihad jeffy to speak up for
the glorious homegrown intifada.

*

John West. Congratulations. You were the sucker who took the troll's bait. Pretty dumb.

...i'll be the black sheep here.

I for one wasn't too impressed with Ezra's rant on YouTube.

"you may start your interrogation" was amateurish and stupid.

He may have had some good points, but after that remark and pointing at the lady and calling her a 'thug' wrote off any respect for the guy from me.

Why does it seem all the guys making the news, like Gary McHale and Ezra Levlant don't seem to understand PR, Marketing, and proper rules of engagement when making their points?

They do more disservice to the cause then help it me thinks...

Hi Tomax, Vitruvius here. Your aesthetic judgement of Mr. Levant's behaviour is not the point. The point is that it is not for the state to judge the aesthetics of Mr. Levant's behaviour. Even if you think that Mr. Levant is being a scoundrel, don't forget these words from H. L. Mencken: "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

Here here Vitruvious, well said. I think that you've given Tomax7, a reasonable and cognizant individual himself, something to ponder.

My Canada includes Ezra. It does not include
Ali Zee - Admin (Calgary)
Usher Ahmed (Calgary)
Super Samer (Calgary)
Issam Zeineddine (Forest Lawn High School)
Khalil Jeha (Calgary)
Hussien Abdulbaki (Calgary)
Abe Rafih (Calgary)
Issam Khalil (Calgary)
Manal Abdallah (MRC CA Alum '07)

Canada is importing hordes of these savages to pay taxes and take care of us when we're old - is that a brilliant strategy or what!
philanthropist

Harper raised the immigration rate as did Mulrooney, luckily we never got a referendum on changing the demography of our country anyone who wants one is racist and should lose their job.

Tomax is correct, yet we are sideline generals while Ezra is doing the heavy lifting.

Ezra has been wrongly attacked, so with heated emotions one can understand that his manner may not be public relations perfect.

I would prefer that he stick to a cold and iron clad argument, yet I may have done worse in the same situation.

Using the term *thug* or any label is an error. She is just the servant while the *Thug* is likely in another office watching carefully on a closed circuit camera.

Easy for us to judge, sitting at this computer sreen. = TG

While I have not yet distilled my thoughts to the point that I feel I am ready to write cogent letters to the media and the putative officials involved in this matter, I have now managed to at least come up with a summary of the situation as I see it, and have published that to my mailing list. If you're interested, it's here:

sagaciousiconoclast.blogspot.com/2008/01/ezra-levant-fights-for-your-human.html

"...i'll be the black sheep here.

I for one wasn't too impressed with Ezra's rant on YouTube.

"you may start your interrogation" was amateurish and stupid. "

Maybe so, but he was more gentlemanly that I would have been. I'd probably have mooned the beyotch.

With due respect to your opinion, tomax, it didn't matter what Ezra said to the "interrogator". He could have been the nicest person on the face of the earth, and Shirlene still wouldn't have thought twice about her decision. The problem is that this complaint shouldn't have gotten this far anyways. While I agree that he could have used better language to do so, he was, in all of his clips, calling a spade a spade and decrying the purpose to which the HRCs are being put.

I look forward to the Supreme Court challenge and the limiting of use for these councils.

Tomax; I believe the point of Levant's tone was to convey the total disdain with which he regards the AHRC and it's attack on his rights. The fact that they've already forced him to shut down his business and cost him $75K in expenses (his figure I believe?)would be reason enough to drop the courtesy.
'Shirlene' is a willing participant in this obscene charade and deserves no special consideration. Would you think differently if she were some smarmy male factotum?
I tell you, there's going to be s**t to be paid on Monday morning; oh to be a fly on the wall at the AHRC!

Ezra was completly within his juristiction to instruct his AHRC inquisitor to 'start your interrogation'; as was also appropos to refer to her organisation,AHRC as 'thugs'.
Ezra is voicing his distain for being forcefully bothered with a nuisance suit and having to justify his inalienable rights to his and his magazine's opinions; to an agency of no bonafide legal stature...yet all the power to implement social fear.
As the frontman/frontperson for the AHRC she in fact paid to take the flak...though obvious that she doesn't do well with it!

Not enough "nuance" for some, I guess. Ezra Levant, at his own expense and time, provided us with a glimpse into the AHRC ... and some of you don't like the dialogue. Tough sh*t.

Well said with eloquence ural

Instead of trying to suppress free speech with which we disagree we should expose it just as Kate has exposed those hateful muslims.

Expose anyone who does anything shameful, liberals, muslims, expose anyone but do not try to suppress their speech.

Do not suppress, expose!

Tomax7 said ....

"Why does it seem all the guys making the news, like Gary McHale and Ezra Levlant don't seem to understand PR, Marketing, and proper rules of engagement when making their points?

They do more disservice to the cause then help it me thinks..."

Moo thinks??? Moo Thinks??? I doubt that. Ezra talks plain English, but the Lefties and you, find that concept foreign. The commie hag that is hearing Ezra is a THUG. She deserves to be intimidated. They all do at the HRC.

There is no etiquette required when you are dealing with the gestapo. There are no points to be made. There is no marketing involved. These are not customers they are oppressors you idiot!

Bcr said ....

"John West. Congratulations. You were the sucker who took the troll's bait. Pretty dumb"

I have no idea what you are referring to. All my comments were magnificent weather responding to an alleged troll or to an arsehole like you.

That should be whether not weather.

Still waiting for the MSM to even obliquely mention this.

We see Jew-bashing hate propaganda from "peaceful, tolerant" Muslims, naturally. Predictable. Wonder if those Muslims identified will be charged with hate crimes and their rights taken away, too? Fat chance!

We see the MSM completely drop the ball, refusing to tell the People what's going on, in this most historic Canadian and human liberties battle, proving beyond all reasonable doubt that they serve the Leftist state apparatus and radical Islam's rather than the Peoples' interests.

We see the Leftist bloggers failing to grasp the meaning of Mr. Levant's fight for his (and everyone's) rights. They don't realise that they're condoning the fact that Mr. Levant's rights are being taken away! That's right: the Left believes it's okay to take away peoples' rights as long as those people aren't Leftists, Islamofascists, homosexuals, transsexuals, murderers, rapists, abortionists...

Only ordinary, non-special, non-extremist law-abiding people can have their rights taken away, as far as "liberals/progressives" are concerned!

Should the children be brought up to the HRC....no...should they be ashamed of what they wrote and supported yes. If it is a joke it isnt funny, if it is a political statement it is sophomoric at best and if it is a real statement of feeling...well I guess we have a problem here.

Best example is to make them defend their statements in fron of their peers and community, espeialy at the school.

As well, this stuff needs to be archived, i am sure one of them will end up in some vague public capacity at some point, running for concillor etc.

As well, there is no equivalence between cartoons and those statements. The cartoons were, well cartoons. They did not state that all Muslims were terrorists, unlike the whole "money and jew" ouvre that these guys are playing with. An old old shibboleth used against jews.....

As well, there commments are targetted at an individual , as well as a group, but mostly because of that persons non voluntary memebership in that group.

IF you took hate crimes seriously and believed in the the Hate Crime legislation you would be hauling these idiots into the tribunal...all of them for joining a Facebook group, while simple and costless, is a form of support. this would be no different than having a membership card in the Ku Klux Klan...you may not ride with them but you have made your support clear.

Personally, it just deserves derision and to have some light shone on it....Perhaps an email to these peoples schools and workplaces indicating that these are the people they are working with and going to school with. Facebook is a public swuare kind of thing so it isnt like you have stolen their diary and are publishing it. And the nice thing about facebook is that people tend to tell you all about themselves.

Where are the usual suspects who find this stuff offensive and normally complain...like either of the Warren's?

'what a terrible thing to say. the funny thing is, before 9/11, most of you were busy being worried about the jews until you heard about the muslims. and there ain't none of you that ever got over the negroes.'

This jeffy davidson is a world-class projector. One has to wonder if the intense hatred he feels doesn't have him grinding his teeth to powder every night.

Great column this morning in the NP by Lorne Gunter.

Me thinks he reads the comments here /grin

OK, we got Kate (girl) Kathy (girl) Ezra (Jew) leading the Canadian right.

And that's cool. That's cool.

However there's like twelve million non girl non Jewish men out there in Canada. Men of western European and Christian heritage, primarily, heirs to the tradition of Plato.

We talk and think differently than women and Jews. For example, we don't think people should be criminally charged, or investigated by the tribunals, for using the word Jew. Most white males would look at this thread and think you people are fucking nuts and over reacting.

Speaking for Canadian men, we're a little disappointed to see you stand up for a Jew so vigorously when the commission has been busting us for 30 years now. Do you not like us or something?

Anyway, it would be cool if there were a blog or something where non girl non Jewish men could talk and stuff. Actually it's kind of weird that there is no popular white male conservative blog in a country of 33,000,000, I mean really weird when you think about it.

Jimbo

The Boston Massacre and the Woolworth lunch counter sit-ins were also "deliberately provocative."

Discuss...

looks like the hate group is gone.

Former Canadian, you speak for Canadian men? Was there a meeting I missed?

You, no doubt, have the right to say what you please. That is, after all, what this whole discussion is about. Just know that you don't speak for this WASP.

Mark Steyn demonstrates with great footwork his self-described verbal stiletto heels.

Yo!

Former Canadian?

What Jim said?

Ditto.

MT

"Speaking for Canadian men, we're a little disappointed to see you stand up for a Jew so vigorously when the commission has been busting us for 30 years now."

You sure as hell don't speak for me. Freak.

Anyone notice a distinct latent homosexual overtone to the rhetoric of this group of suburban Jihadis??

Some Imam should tell these kids that Allah created goats to prevent homosexuality. ;-)

Right on WLMR , some Imman should explain the little picture cartoon on the screen shot . no pun intended.

In the case of Ezra, I think the word "inquisition" is far more accurate than the word "interrogation"

From Ezra Levant's blog today, a couple quotes of note:

....the video clips I uploaded were viewed nearly 200,000 times, making them the 5th most watched "channel" on YouTube.

And,

The federal Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has a 100% conviction rate under their thought crime provision (section 13, the "hate messages" section, as it's called). But I can't find a single case of thought crime case that resulted in an acquittal in Alberta or federally.

Bingo!, the same stats as Stalin's and now Putin's show trials. You'd think just to cover their asses they'd acquit some poor sap once in awhile.

These comments are all pretty interesting, trolls aside, but I think some people are getting caught up in semantics.

While Ezera's presentation got across his point, I do think that he was pretty close to breaking into a rant. I agree with Tomax that even though he is speaking to a kangaroo court or maybe just a clerk, he could have done it better.

Like a teenager being scolded, after the first few words, eyes glaze over and nothing is really heard. Another point is that if the MSM ever pick up the news, you can be sure the only quotes to come out of it will be the highly inflamitory ones. Valid points would only be aired if there isn't any Brittany Spears breaking news.

I don't mean Levant should be kowtowing to these self appointed social engineering demi-gods but don't come across as a raving nut case either. Having said that from the safety of the sidelines, I must confess I would have probably been led away in irons for what I'd have said.

btw, does Vit ever sleep? He seems to comment (succinctly) 24/7. Must be a Tim Horton's or other caffine supply close to his abode.

"...but to read some of the non-Muslim responses in Maclean's or at the CBC website or The Calgary Herald is to wonder how many Canadians are auditioning to be the eunuchs in the new caliph's harem." - Steyn

There are obviously a few in the comments section on this blog as well.

Ezra is a lightening rod. Hopefully, with Steyn coming up to bat next, not only the HRC will be exposed for the fascist thought police that it is, but underlying Islamic hatred will as well.

The basic strategy of Islamic appeasers is not to piss the moderates off. The fact is the moderates and the terrorists all share exactly the same Quran, Hadith and Sira. The foundationally violent root of Islam.

There is no moderate Quran to support so-called 'moderate Islam.' What we have seen here with these facebook Muslims is that you don't have to scratch the surface too hard to bring out the underlying hate and racism.

Muslims are taught to hate the Jews in the Quran and Hadith:

They are the devil’s minions (4:60) cursed by Allah, their faces will be obliterated (4:47), and if they do not accept the true faith of Islam—the Jews who understand their faith become Muslims (3:113)—they will be made into apes (2:65/ 7:166), or apes and swine (5:60), and burn in the Hellfires (4:55, 5:29, 98:6, and 58:14-19).

(Hadith, Book 041, Number 6985):
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him."

Islam is dualistic, because the Quran is dualistic. Moderates can hold one position, "there's no compulsion in religion." (Pilfered word for word from the Talmud, BTW). Where terrorists can hold the later Medina position, (Q 9.29) "Fight (and kill) those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Although the later violent verses abrogate the earlier tame verses (Most Islamic scholars agree that Quran 9:5 abrogates no less than 124 verses that command or imply anything less than a total offensive against the non-believers), Muslims can apply either, based on what they want to believe, or who they are lying to (taqiyya, kitman).

It's absurd and contradictory. But Islam is, if anything, completely irrational.

This is what Dr Habira, a London professor and an ex-muslim, says in his book “God’s Tears” about moderate Islam:

“Moderate Islam is more deadly because while the terrorists are clear enemies, the moderates make inroads into `infidel’ lands, and deceive the host cultures until the terrorists could do the dirty work. Without the moderate Islamic façade, the terrorists cannot survive because they will be quickly exposed. History is replete with example after example of this typically Muslim deceitful strategy of advance”.

The basis for Islamic morality is also alien. Morals in Islam are simply, whatever helps Islam is good and whatever hinders Islam is evil. Therefore killing innocent infidels in order to defend or spread Islam is considered good and holy. In other words, mass-murder is good, as proven by the actions of their prophet and sanctified by their god.

For those with even a cursory knowledge of Islam, the Muslim facebook page is actually tame.

Troll Davidson,

You notice that for the most part the right ignores race altogether but foolish leftards like you who are clearly obsessed with race are trying to project your own racist fetishes on us?

Consequently leftard, islam is not a race. Islam is a religion. Even a stupid white guilt-ridden liberal a-hole like you can convert to it. You can't convert to another race.

So... as you are too stupid to live, I suggest you kill yourself.

Re" Kathy Shaidle "The Boston Massacre and the Woolworth lunch counter sit-ins were also "deliberately provocative."

Discuss..."

Good point, and one well taken.

I guess my best response is that, for me, this concerns more personal feelings. I've never felt Ezra was so much being provocative to right a wrong, or make things better. Instead I've been left with an uncomfortable feeling that it was more of an attention grabbing stunt, a feeling that continues to date.

The Libertarian in me fully supports his battle against Government encroachment on our freedoms. I'm left holding my nose, however, as I don't see it completely as a good guy/bad guy fight, and I'm left feeling it's more about Ezra Levant grandstanding than about someone standing up for my freedoms. Part of me sees him as someone who goes around poking people in the chest. People like that bug me.

Hard for me to explain feelings.

Feelings? Whooaaa whooaaaa whooooa Feelings?

WTF do feelings have to do with having free speech taken away?

I don't get it. Are you going to wait until they tell you that you're going away to the gulag for booing a Prime Minister before your "feelings" allow you to see the logic of demanding free speech for everyone?

The hissing snake, Soharwardy, attempts to turn 911 into a victimfest for the world’s Muslims:

“Islam is a faith of peace, justice and service to humanity as well as a civilizing force for humanity wherever it is introduced and established.”

An obvious and outright lie.

“Even though Islam forbids violence,”

Muhammad beheaded between 600-900 Jews of B. Qurayzah who did not fight Muslilms but were attacked, and they surrendered unconditionally–Tabari, vol.viii, ch. B. Qurayzah; Heykal, ch. the Campaign of Khandaq and B. Qurayzah, ibn Ishaq, ch. B. Qurayzah.

Quran 9:5, 9:29, etc. etc. etc.

“especially against innocent and defenseless people”

Nobody is innocent unless they are Muslim. (Hadith, Quran, Sira)

“and even though Islam has been in the west for centuries,”

Had conquered part of the west, but not in the west.

“Muslims are still left defending their faith from hatred, contempt, and ignorance as if all Muslims are responsible for the sins of a few.”

Isn’t this supposed to be about 911?

Here goes the deflection, based on irrelevant equivalence:

“Everyone knows that many people have and will use religion (inappropriately) and Scriptural verses (out of context) to justify their otherwise evil behaviour. For example, many white supremacist groups use Biblical verses to rationalize their racist beliefs and behaviours and many have very Christian-sounding names for their churches and organizations. Why are they not referred to as Christian supremacists, Christian fundamentalists, or Christian extremists? We live in the age of information. Considering all the information, groups, and other resources available to western world, Muslims should not have to justify, defend, or apologize for the noble faith of Islam. There is no cause, justification, or reason for violence or terror in Islam. Islam, like the truth, speaks for itself.”

Actually, unfortunately for Islam, modern communications are exposing Islam for what it is, a foundationally violent ideology as proven in the Islamic trilogy.

“99.99% of Muslims around the world are shouting and telling the western world that they are too Against Terrorism. “

Really? I suppose the pictures of the 911 Muslim joy and happiness parades from around the world were a mirage?

“They have also been victim of terrorism, hate and discrimination in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya, Kossovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, India, Burma, USA, Canada, UK and many other countries but the voice of 1.5 billion Muslims falls on deaf ears. Do we know why?”

Yeah, because your prophet and god command and reward Muslims to kill, convert, or enslave everyone on the planet.

www.mediamonitors.net/soharwardy5.html

Re: Johnboy
"I don't get it. Are you going to wait until they tell you that you're going away to the gulag for booing a Prime Minister before your "feelings" allow you to see the logic of demanding free speech for everyone?"

Kathy asked me to discuss, and I did. Did you miss the part where I said I fully support his battle against Government encroachment on our freedoms? Read it again if you did.

"John West. Congratulations. You were the sucker who took the troll's bait. Pretty dumb."
(BCer, 11:50 PM)

I agree, BCer.

Go ahead John West, hit me with the bricks, too.

Hey, Jimbo, "grandstanding" and "attention grabbing stunt"?, come on, what else is it going to take to make Stalin's legacy to socialist Canada go away? Think of all of the Little People that have been ground up in that Orwellian tribunal without one iota of attention given to them. Thank God that Ezra has the gravitas, the wits to demand his session be videotaped and the verbal eloquence, so be it if it was laced with sarcasm, to bring his ordeal onto the national stage.

In the old Stalin/Beria days one could obtain a better apartment by denouncing a neighbor. Fast forward to the present and change the motives. What a fabulous weapon handed to any pathetic underdeveloped personality with a score to settle than denouncing a person or opinion that they don't like than to file a hate crime charge. If you are going to filter this through you feelings, being enraged on behalf of Ezra is the only valid one as I see it.

You really aren't up to the task of defending the ancient Anglo-Saxon right of free speech and defending the individual against the King. Libertarian, you aren't.

Former Canadian, I am sure KKK has a blog, if not try one of the Neo-Nazi ones.

"It is permitted to kill a Jew"

An Iranian's story on leaving Islam:

"At school from the day one we had a special teacher appointed by the Mullahs to teach us Quran and Islamic ideology. There were so many of these teachers and they looked so much like our parents. They couldn't all be wrong, we understood unconsciously. I remember quite clearly that when I was just 12 years old our teacher told us that it is permitted to kill a Jew. When we brought up the practical difficulties of killing a Jew he hinted that we may like to kill him first and leave the body in some inconspicuous place like our school lavatories. I had two Jewish friends at school. Fortunately I wasn't of a mind to put the instructions into action. We were still too young to take action by ourselves."

"questioning in Islam is allowed only if it is intended to increase your conviction. Again I was encouraged to view this as the true spirit of Islam and following the example of Muhammad. I was told that Muhammad himself and our Imams were capable of falling into murderous fits of rage and displaying "outward signs of furious anger." At such times heads rolled, literally."

"As I learned more of the language (English) I realised that concepts like humanity and morality have totally different interpretations in the west..."

"Last week it chanced that I was directed by a search engine to this website. The section titled "stories not told before" immediately caught my attention. I stayed up till 5 in the morning and read about half of it. I went to bed and woke up next afternoon convinced that I'm a Muslim no longer."

"Here I must emphasize the importance of works like this in dissipating the remaining doubts of other would-be ex-Muslims. Cut off as we are from reliable information and scholarly works on Islam, and at the same time being aggressively indoctrinated from an early age, the need for similar material tailored for half-hearted Muslims and also ordinary westerners cannot be overestimated. True history of Islam is an effective tool that deals the final blow to Islamism by laying naked its thread bare foundations."

"Tell the true story of Islam, save civilization!"

The application of reason, not appeasement, creates apostates from Islam.

islam-watch.org/Emir/Leaving-Islam-When-truth-comes-in-Mullahs-jump-out-the-window.htm

I sure hope that Former Canadian's name is not misleading, I don't want any current Canadians like that. In fact, the thought of anyone in our country thinking like that is sickening.

I was just wondering how many of the (ahem) gentlemen who subscribed to this facebook group attend an institution of higher learning where their conduct outside of the campus may be called into question. I seem to recall a university in Ottawa (Carleton?) where you could actually be kicked out of the school for conduct that was contrary to school policies.

Anybody have spare time to do some research and file a complaint to various schools over participation in this facebook group?

It seems to me that the HRCs are being used to promote a certain agenda, because they seem to work. Now, what happens when you use other effective tools.....

What if this conduct got you kicked out of Law School? The system needs help to weed out the troublemakers.

I will do what little I can.

Re: Penny

Once again, did you miss the part where I said I fully support his battle against Government encroachment on our freedoms?

And as for defending ancient Anglo-Saxon rights, you're right, I'm not defending them, as compared to fundamental human rights, and those entrenched in the Canadian Bill of Rights. They do not distinguish between Anglo-Saxons and Muslims, if I remember correctly.

I agree the HRC should be put back in it's place, but it's hardly on the level of Stalin. That's the same kind of ridiculous hyperbole used by those who compare Bush to Hitler.

But you're right about one thing - a Libertarian I'm not.

well if any of them are attending a "professional school" then there can be repercussions

Med, dentists, law, if they are going for CA or P eng these things can be an issue since there are professional codes, generally related to work...but if you dont have the designation yet it can be a problem getting it if you kick up this kind of crap.

Imagine if anyone of them is in teachers college, as much as I am loath to call that a professional designation......anyway, imagine one of those members showing up as a student teacher.

As I said above, archive the names....I am sure they will show up again in the next 5 to 10 years.

...."did you miss the part where I said I fully support his battle against Government encroachment on our freedoms?"

Nope.

But, you missed that part where I said "defending the ancient Anglo-Saxon right of free speech". Muslims don't have that tradition to defend. Ezra and Mark Steyn are victims of Muslim attempts to muzzle their free speech.

....but it's hardly on the level of Stalin

Excuse me, we are talking about a government tribunal dedicated to arbitrarily punishing speech with a 100% conviction rate. I don't like your opinion, I file a complaint, convicted gauranteed. Sure, you don't go to the physical gulag, but, every other parallel is pretty historically compelling.

The HRC distinguishs between between Anglo-Saxons(no protection status) and Muslims(protected minority status) in its behavior and outcomes, that's the point here. Here's how your law is written: "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society." The CHRC relies on that caveat which basically allows the state to override free speech where the state sees fit.

Just to be clear, for those folks who don't understand where this HRC road leads, here's the future, now:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019553.php

And to 'Former Canadian' that'd be Robert McLelland's blog you're looking for.

"compared to fundamental human rights, and those entrenched in the Canadian Bill of Rights. They do not distinguish between Anglo-Saxons and Muslims, if I remember correctly."

If you mean by that - Universal Human Rights as enshrined by the UN - these are rights that Muslims manipulate for their own benefit, while subscribing to their own rights as enshrined by the 19th Islamic Conference:

"The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam"

Adopted and Issued at the Nineteenth Islamic Conference
of Foreign Ministers in Cairo
on 5 August 1990.

The Member States of the Organization of the Islamic Conference,

Reaffirming the civilizing and historical role of the Islamic Ummah which God made the best nation that has given mankind a universal and well-balanced civilization in which harmony is established between this life and the hereafter and knowledge is combined with faith; and the role that this Ummah should play to guide a humanity confused by competing trends and ideologies and to provide solutions to the chronic problems of this materialistic civilization.

Wishing to contribute to the efforts of mankind to assert human rights, to protect man from exploitation and persecution, and to affirm his freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari’ah.

Article 22
(a) Everyone shall have the right to express his opinion freely in such manner as would not be contrary to the principles of the Shari’ah.
(b) Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Shari’ah.
(c) Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith.

Of which the final two articles say:

Article 24
All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari'ah.

Article 25
The Islamic Shari'ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification to any of the articles of this Declaration.

Penny

The Canadian Bill of Rights, absolutely, and pointedly, does not distinguish between the rights of Muslims and Anglo-Saxons, period.

Re: "The HRC distinguishs between between Anglo-Saxons(no protection status) and Muslims(protected minority status) in its behavior and outcomes, that's the point here."

No, that's not the point. The point has to do with limits to free speech. We should have the freedom to be offensive, as the cartoons clearly are to Muslims, but they would cross the line if, for example, they incited violence or served to deny Muslims the same basic rights as all Canadians.

If the HRC is discriminating against Anglo-Saxons, as you suggest, then that's a serious problem, but it's not THIS problem.

Jimbo - for your information that 'scrap of paper' you mention, you call it the Canadian Bill of Rights, I am not sure what the proper name is; is a blueprint of the 'scrap of paper' that Lenin wrote for the Russian people after he and his terrorists toppled the only Democratic government EVER elected in that country, we should all know what happened there!

Like Cretian, Stalin and his minions modified the 'charter' to fit into the real agenda of the writer but the 'intent' was never lost.

Canadians had the BNA Act to protect our rights and our freedom before the dark days of the Liberano/Power Corp occupation; this corrupt gang swept our freedom under the rug via a 'baby boom' bubble of spoiled demanding teenagers who were indoctrinated by left wing teachers. I am old enough to remember my peers gushing over Turdo - 'Treaudeaumania' it was called after the Beatlemania thingie. I was not old enough to vote but I was old enough to yap and much to my shame I remember asking my Dad why he was voting for underwear (Stanfield). Four years later I knew why he had voted for Mr. Stanfield and I apologized for my more than stupid, ignorant remarks - I was saved from treason by one year of age!!

Turdo like Lenin got a grip on the soft underbelly of the citizens - cowards and weaklings and apologists (people like Turdo, himself, who had no war stories to tell because he was rooting - from the safe sidelines of a rich mans kid who bought his way free of the draft - for the wrong side!!) and Baby boomer brats who were sick of the 'work ethic' of their very honorable parents and grandparents. Added to the work ethic was the duty to ones country lessons - my parents and grandparents on both sides of my family had been patriots (and many of them soldiers) in both WWI and WWII. - cowardly acts were ridiculed and all grievances about our 'hard lot' in life were brushed aside with real hardship stories. Turdo was the answer to our selfish little dreams because he demonized our parents and grandparents by ridiculing everything they did and everything they stood for - the Liberanos even did away with the flag that they had fought for - he did all this in such a slimy, underhanded way that some soldiers were taken in at first.

My hope is that Canadians have finally opened their eyes to what 'almost happened' here and will swallow their juvenile pride (as I did) and turn the page on this shameful chapter in Canada's history. Sort of like the Czech republic has done. The state has no RIGHT to tell citizens what to drive, what to eat, where to sell their produce, what to buy, what school to send their children to, what morals to teach, what clothes to wear, where and when they can smoke tobacco, what to think, what to say....we tell the state all those things and they act accordingly because we, the people, pay the bills.

Many Baby Boomers have gone from pampers to depends without a break for adult hood. They will rant and rave about their 'entitlements' (eg Trust Fund fiasco) but they will always vote with their eye on the next guaranteed $$ so say you refuse to pay for them in their depends unless they support a government that will honor individual rights and freedoms and they will shut up and vote for whatever dole they can get.

Are you a Boomer (age 50 to 60) Jimbo?

Thank you, batb (Jan. 13 @ 11:11), for your eloquent analysis of the present situation in our benighted country, which has altogether turned its back on our Judeo-Christian value system: this squandering of our moral capital—you can’t deny faith while expecting its benefits—which is the underlying root of both our present confusion and lack of will to stand and be counted. But, sadly, even at SDA, no one here seems to notice.

There's a lot of hand wringing at SDA—justifiably—about how wrong things are going. "Help! The wolves are eating the sheep. We must do something!"

batb has pointed out on this thread the fact that the gate to the sheep pen's been left open. From reading the many posts since, even those, who deplore the death of the sheep, seem willing to ignore the obvious.

Jimbo, I believe you dissemble: your squeamishness about Levant publishing the cartoons "offensive to Muslims" sounds pretty inauthentic to me. If you support freedom of expression, which you say you do, what's the problem?

BTW, these cartoons are about as offensive as someone saying to a Christian, "I worship God on the golf course". (Has anyone ever been murdered for that?) If, Jimbo, you're really sensitive to religious insensitivity, how about the U of Saskatchewan cartoon, of a couple of years ago, of Jesus fellating a man—I think it was a homosexual act—a la Monica Lewinsky/Clinton? Please direct me to the post at SDA where you deplore this desecration. BTW, what are your thoughts on the Piss Christ (crucifix immersed in the artist’s urine), a statue of the Virgin Mary covered in dung, and the latest—in the news today—of a depiction of Christ with an erection (not the first)? Where were/are you, Jimbo, concerning these? (I’m very sure you have no problem with the artists freely expressing their visions. But, what I’d like to know: are you at all uncomfortable with the hurt feelings of Christians?)

Re my comment, "[T]hese [Muslim] cartoons are about as offensive as someone saying to a Christian, 'I worship God on the golf course'. (Has anyone ever been murdered for that?)"

I guess, re "golf widows", maybe someone has committed murder! But that's a topic for another day, another thread . . .

...back to future.

I read the comments and pondered them as suggested and still stand by my comments.

Ezra lowered himself to the level of the HRC by comments like 'interrogation', 'thug', and so on.

I'm guilty of loosing it, so not claiming sainthood, yet, but if I knew I was being video taped as well as been seen by Lord knows how many on YouTube, I'd maybe, just maybe act a little more, can I say it, mature.

Let's put this in a more simpler term:

"two wrongs don't make a right."

(Yes yes, but four do. nar nar.)

I don't agree with you tomax7.

It's stage craft. These meddlers, operating as they do in the shadows need the full light and weight of public opinion to expose and melt their pernicious and illegal raison de etre.

200,000 hits on YouTube prove it.

As far as Jimbo's opinion is concerned, he admitted it, in his world, 'feelings' trump facts. It's irrational.

From what spurious segment of society have we heard that before?

irwin, you are entitled to disagree, just like I am without fear of being called a name.

It does however, seem if anyone disagrees with someone who is labeled 'a crusader' is labeled a liberal or leftist.

I still say, two wrongs don't make a right.

While 200,000 hits is nice, it doesn't prove anything. I can probably point to some animal kittie porn with more hits.

I'm not saying the HRC is right in this, but they are indeed acting on a complaint, which is their job.

Funny, some on here will hoot and holler about some sort of control or group being in place to pass a decision on a native chief guy in another post who called Jews a racist name.

While name calling and bigotry is wrong, we still need some sort of control. Faulty as they may be, at least there is a HRC.

Despite the claims by Ezra to defend free speech he is suing both FFWD and me for $100,000 and why you ask?
Because I wrote a simple letter that was published in FFWD. thats it. He says his speech is covered in political speech- Well I say BS-$#%^&% EZRA!
Why is it ok for Ezra to call Syed nasty names in public, but when I write a letter critical of him I need to be sued.
If you would like more info or donate to my legal fund please email me at merlet@shaw.ca

Tomax7, let's see if I get this straight, you're offended that Ezra used the words "thug" and "interrogation"?

Hey, as a man hauled in off of the streets by agents of the state to answer to a charge that should have been dismissed on first sight, expected to be be repectful of this Kafkaesque travisty, spend serious money out of pocket for an outcome that has been 100% non-acquital, Ezra is expected to use polite wording, get real.

Good on him that he carefully crafted an opening salvo to hurl at this ridiculous fascist agency and their agents.

Mark Steyn steps up to the plate next, don't watch. It will only upset you.

What goes around, comes around.

http://dustmybroom.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1732&Itemid=1

pparently Ezra contacted the rag to get an apology and retraction for the article and the published letter, didn't get it and is now suing Fast Forward Weekly for the Lowering the standard article and letter writer Terlesky for a combined total of $100,000 for libel.

What does this all mean? Hell if I know as I'm not a lawyer but this looks no different to me then the Canadian Islamic Congress vs Mark Steyn scenario. Maybe Ezra should file a human rights complaint.

Just to clarify, I'm not comparing libel with being offended.

In my world, I'd merge Alberta, Sask and South Eastern BC into one province, country, whatever.

It would become an economic powerhouse.

Manitoba, and Northwestern Ontario, once they decide what fence they want to sit on can join us at any time.

Lower Mainland?

Make pot smoking legal, jackhammer the area off and let them float into a Pacific sunset...

What goes around, comes around.

tomax7, as you've added Trelesky into the dicussion at 9;55, at 9:51 on a thread above Terlesky(?) made a appearance, strangely coincidental isn't it.

A libel suit initiated by an individual in open court versus the HRC kanagaroo court are two different animals. Is Ezra being a hypocrit suing Terlesky, don't know the details on that case, but, he sure isn't one in his position with the HRC.

...i'm guilty of throwing fuel on the fire.

;-)

My apology, but I'm not Ezra's biggest fan.

...as I said, two wrongs don't make a right.

"Mark Steyn steps up to the plate next, don't watch. It will only upset you."

Why should I watch him? I'd expect something like that, so I wouldn't be surprised. I'd expect something sensational out of Ezra, but I'm not surprised.

What I am surprised about is all the cultist oogling over him at the moment.

People do strange things under the camera lights. Forget who said that, but how fitting.

Tomax, there are many Manitobans that would be proud to call the Republic of Western Canada home. I'm sure you could even extend that line a little farther east to include Thunder Bay.

We're all just biding our time, waiting for the old Liberals to die off....

tomax7,

You don't speak for me in this matter ... and that's OK. BTW: I don't care what what you think of EL ... not like I think will have effect on what you think will have any effect.

I may (or not) agree with with EL ... but I stand behind him 100%, and what he says (rough sh*t and all), about any phony org (that claims to speak for me ... and I'm paying for it) - I agree with.

I can't help but believe I have met the pseudo-realists ... and you are one of them ... plus many more of the commenter's. Pathetic, I think, but I wasn't trained in PC.

'Wouldn't hurt for Ezra to remember that he won't always be basking in the glow of these kleig lights--and, therefore, to choose his words carefully.

I have no problem with his calling what the AHRC is doing to him an interrogation--it is!--or using the word thug. I would have been more comfortable, however, if he hadn't called Shirlene McGovern a thug but had made the wider point that the process itself is thuggery.

Mr. Levant sometimes talks out of both sides of his mouth, and in this instance--so important in setting a precedent in the fight for our democratic freedoms in Librano-locked Canada--a cool head prevailing and carefully chosen speech would greatly help the whole cause.

'Just saying...

Whoops: I posted this earlier at the wrong thread.

In support of tomax 7 (and noe batb), who have questioned Levant’s modus operandi, I’m repeating part of some of a previous post I made.

Despite my FULL support for Levant’s—and our—cause and my belief that the HRC’s “smelly little [Liberal] orthodoxies” (Orwell) need to be strongly challenged, I believe it should be done without bombast, histrionics, or ad hominem attacks. E.g., By all means call the HRCs “thug organizations”, but avoid personally attacking the commissioner hearing the case by calling HER a "thug". The same point is then made without Levant coming across as a bully. There IS a very important public relations side to this: the in-the-middle, uninformed—usually squeamish about confrontation—Canadian needs to get on side. IMO, it’s important not to carelessly squander the good will of the public by coming across as brutish.

On the other hand, hitting the HRCs VERY hard with the unsavoury FACTS of the matter—by all means, use powerful words like “inquisition”—is an excellent strategy. But, remaining civil in demeanour should be a priority. It works for our side and is double jeopardy for the HRCs.

Again, consider Robert Bolt’s “A Man for All Seasons”: Thomas More’s eloquent defence of himself, when he finally had no choice, in the face of a repressive and arbitrary state, was lethal in its logic, intelligence, vehemence, and clear moral imperative. However, he never stooped to banality or rudeness. That both magnified the dignity of the man and made his statement all the more powerful.

Re: Jema54

"Jimbo - for your information that 'scrap of paper' you mention, you call it the Canadian Bill of Rights ... is a blueprint of the 'scrap of paper' that Lenin wrote for the Russian people ..."

Ridiculous. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (the "proper name") is hardly a "scrap of paper. It plays a major role in separating us from countries such as China and Saudi Arabia, to name just two. You should read it sometime, and perhaps you'll appreciate it. Perhaps.

As for the blueprint thing ... ???

And regarding "Many Baby Boomers have gone from pampers to depends without a break for adult hood ... Are you a Boomer (age 50 to 60) Jimbo?"

Add another group to the slagfest.

Re: Lookout

"If, Jimbo, you're really sensitive to religious insensitivity, how about the U of Saskatchewan cartoon, of a couple of years ago, of Jesus fellating a man" ... etc

You appear to assume I wouldn't find that, and the other examples you give, offensive. The U of S cartoon was disgusting, distasteful, and highly offensive, and I mighty add blindingly stupid. I would say sophomoric, but it doesn't reach that height.

and re: "Jimbo, I believe you dissemble: your squeamishness about Levant publishing the cartoons "offensive to Muslims" sounds pretty inauthentic to me. If you support freedom of expression, which you say you do, what's the problem?"

Good question, "Lookout". Supporting freedom of "expression" means support even though I find it offensive. That's the point.

uran, err ural.

I can't help but believe I have met the pseudo-realists ... and you are one of them

..glad you are good judge of character. i wasn't speaking for you either, don't worry about that, you speak enough.

It occurs to me that Mr. Levant may be playing a bigger game than y'all are considering while going on and on ignoring de gustibus non est disputandum. Consider the following conjecture. Mr. Levant has set up a win-win situation here. If he is prosecuted, he is a martyr. And if not, now that the videos are out, he is a saint for re-affirming the importance of Freedom of Speech in Canada.

Y'all are arguing about the way he plays chess, but the bigger issue may be the moves he has been making, not the way he makes them. Of course, there's always the law of unintended consequences. Time will tell. We shall see.

Vitruvius

I see your point. I don't really mean to dump on Ezra. After all, he's doing me a service, and I do appreciate it.

I just can't help myself sometimes. Soooo, respectfully ...

To extend the chess analogy - I feel given the circumstances here, how he plays the game is a part of the game. There are style points - given, and taken away. He's no Daniel Webster (or John Roark). He's trying to make the point, in a way, that the Commission is a bully (or "thug"), but I think he's the one who comes across that way to the unbiased observer. I think it's a mistake.

But then it's easier to sit back and pass judgement than to do what he's doing. If you knew me, you'd know they'd probably have to bring in the Tasers if I was in his position.

Ultimately, I do owe him some gratitude. I take my freedoms seriously. Fundamentally, the Government should serve the people, not the other way around.

Understood, Jimbo, yet there is a way in which I feel that Mr. Levent, in his own one man show way, is performing at the level the role of Howard Roark in his defense in The Fountainhead:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq9udFmsNO0

I see the faggot who slandered Ezra has popped off.

You know what, faggot? The government is not going to make Ezra's case for him for free while you have to defend yourself at your own expense. Ezra will pay to bring you to justice. And if you can prove that you weren't lying, then you will win, and Ezra will lose and pay you money. By contrast, there's nothing Ezra can do to defend himself here. The Commission has apparently already decided to punish him; in any event they can punish him even if he conclusively disproves the case against him.

Win or lose, no matter what, nobody will order you to apologize to him, or forbid you from ever commenting about him again. But the Commission can make those orders against Ezra. Even if there's no case against him and he proves that.

Ezra is standing up for your right to speak. It's not his fault that you've abused that right to tell malicious lies about him, for the pleasure of harming him. You deserve what you're getting, faggot, and it's called "justice". Ezra also deserves justice, but it's being denied him. I know you're just a stupid faggot, but the rest of us can see the difference.