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January 5, 2008

Reader Tips

Tips on communications: "Kill your precious darlings."

Hybrids.

The Department Of Unintended Consequences: Human Rights Commission puts Winnipeg transit riders at risk.

Yours are welcome in the comments.

Posted by Kate at January 5, 2008 12:02 AM
Comments

Not a link, nor really a tip, but do yourself a favour and pick up Glenn Beck's latest, An Inconvenient Book. Funny, to the point, and pretty darn accurate.

Posted by: Yukon Gold at January 5, 2008 12:48 AM

The Dutch New Year tradition has apparently taken on a form of joyous celebration partaken of by French "youths." How multi-cultural...

Posted by: Drained Brain at January 5, 2008 1:00 AM

whats next free abortions and health care, oh yeah we are already there.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/01/03/bc-crackpipemouthpieces.html?ref=rss


lunacy at the crack of yer a$$

Posted by: cal2 at January 5, 2008 1:16 AM

Lisa LaFlamme ( the CTV Pro) might want to kill her little darling usage of "very unique."

"Very unique"?

The core meaning of unique (from Latin ‘one’) is ‘being only one of its kind,’ it is logically impossible, the argument goes, to submodify it: it either is ‘unique’ or it is not, and there are no stages in between.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at January 5, 2008 1:17 AM

American Research Group poll results, pre-New-Hampshire primary, show John McCain in the lead as of a few days ago. Romney's in second, and Huckabee's in a distant third. Ron Paul is fourth, just ahead of fifth-place Rudy Giuliani.

These results are derived from "600 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of likely Republican primary voters living in New Hampshire (484 Republicans and 116 undeclared (independent) voters)." +/- 4% error range, 19 times out of 20. I got it from the blog at the Lew Rockwell Website.

Posted by: Daniel M. Ryan at January 5, 2008 1:48 AM

A New York Daily News discussion thread that took on a life of its own, over a name that's being blipped out by the forum's bad-word-detector software:

http://www.nydailynews.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=5845

You have to be a certain kind of rightist to be unsurprised at what that name is.

Posted by: Daniel M. Ryan at January 5, 2008 2:32 AM

SWAT Overkill: The Danger of a Paramilitary Police Force

"Police look inward. They’re supposed to protect their fellow citizens from criminals, and to maintain order with a minimum of force."

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=404190&cid=21890376

Police spokesman refers to citizens as civilians in a recent news broadcast quote. If we are "civilians", then who are they? This comment seems to be at large with the idea of "Peace Officers".

Before you jump all over me on this, I am one of the strongest defenders of our Police services, but the recent lapse in public respect for our finest has to have started with the "Pretorian Guards" image police leaders have inspired with the advent of the SWAT.

Posted by: Gunney99 at January 5, 2008 2:33 AM

Sorry, wrong web site.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4203345.html

The subtle effect is also real: Dress like a soldier and you think you’re at war. And, in wartime, civil liberties—or possible innocence—of the people on “the other side” don’t come up much. But the police aren’t at war with the citizens they serve, or at least they’re not supposed to be.

Posted by: Gunney99 at January 5, 2008 2:38 AM

Cool pic:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_XWMHOKSnvhg/R37TrDL3m7I/AAAAAAAACbs/GBp-gUb4pag/s1600-h/broadside.jpg

Posted by: lberia at January 5, 2008 4:04 AM

Posted by: Joe Molnar at January 5, 2008 1:17 AM

Joe, those chosen to read news written by others are not selected for their perspicacity or insight.

The number one selection criteria is prettiness and how well appearance will sell to the hypothetical brain-dead audience.

The MSM knows it's game and it's not about serving the people.

Posted by: PiperPaul at January 5, 2008 4:44 AM

See LifeSiteNews.com - Jan 2 and Dec 20

Dec 20th - more reasons why the HRCs have to get out of the freedom of speech/publication issues. An Edmonton gay activist has three filings in the federal HRC.

Jan 2 - The Catholic League seems to be lobbying get the HRCs reigned in.

Time to keep inundating the provincial HRCs as highly unlikely the federal body will see any change.

Posted by: calgary clipper at January 5, 2008 7:04 AM

Kate, this is huge,

NASA's come out and concluded THE SUN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CLIMATE CHANGE, AND THEY'RE PREDICTING IT'S GONNA GET COLDER!

NASA press release:

"Today, the Space and Science Research Center, (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida announces that it has confirmed the recent web announcement of NASA solar physicists that there are substantial changes occurring in the sun’s surface. The SSRC has further researched these changes and has concluded they will bring about the next climate change to one of a long lasting cold era."

...

Today, Director of the SSRC, John Casey has reaffirmed earlier research he led that independently discovered the sun’s changes are the result of a family of cycles that bring about climate shifts from cold climate to warm and back again.

“We today confirm the recent announcement by NASA that there are historic and important changes taking place on the sun’s surface. This will have only one outcome - a new climate change is coming that will bring an extended period of deep cold to the planet. This is not however a unique event for the planet although it is critically important news to this and the next generations. It is but the normal sequence of alternating climate changes that has been going on for thousands of years. Further according to our research, this series of solar cycles are so predictable that they can be used to roughly forecast the next series of climate changes many decades in advance. I have verified the accuracy of these cycles’ behavior over the last 1,100 years relative to temperatures on Earth, to well over 90%.”

Here:

http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

Posted by: biff at January 5, 2008 8:08 AM

HRC trumps the justice system.
HRC rules the jailbird roost.
...-

Drug dealer refuses to leave his 'comfy' cell

A judge has condemned the "barking mad" human rights rules that allowed a drug dealer to stay in his prison cell rather than appear in court.

Amir Ali, who was jailed for almost four years last September, refused to leave the "comfortable" cell because he was afraid of losing it to another inmate....-
http://tinyurl.com/339497 (telegraph-UK)

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 8:08 AM

Sorry for the double post, but this is amazing, NASA sound's like they're pretty much positive this will happen:

"All records of sunspot counts and other proxies of solar activity going back 6,000 years clearly validates our own findings that when we have sunspot counts lower then 50 it means only one thing - an intense cold climate, globally. NASA says the solar cycle 25, the one after the next that starts this spring will be at 50 or lower. The general opinion of the SSRC scientists is that it could begin even sooner within 3 years with the next solar cycle 24. What we are saying today is that my own research and that of the other scientists at the SSRC verifies that NASA is right about one thing – a solar cycle of 50 or lower is headed our way. With this next solar minimum predicted by NASA, what I call a “solar hibernation,” the SSRC forecasts a much colder Earth just as it has transpired before for thousands of years. "

Read the whole thing, amazing stuff.

Posted by: biff at January 5, 2008 8:12 AM

THE NEWS ON THE IOWA CAUCUS THE MSM MISSED:

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

""Independent Voters in the Republican Caucus

* Ron Paul - 29%
* John McCain - 23%
* Mitt Romney - 19%
* Mike Huckabee - 17%

Ron Paul was the best at converting the Independent voters and this proves that he will be a formidable threat in New Hampshire.

Ron Paul finished third among the youngest of voters but excelled in the 17-29 age group with 21%.""

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 5, 2008 8:25 AM

biff, don't get too excited just yet. That wasn't NASA, that was apparently an independent organization using NASA data. I suspect they are likely more correct than the IPCC, but I doubt that they will carry enough weight to sway the argument yet.

Posted by: Eeyore at January 5, 2008 8:29 AM

Actually I'm looking further, actually,

it may even be a hoax.

If it is, sorry Kate.

Posted by: biff at January 5, 2008 8:33 AM

Att. biff: Solar cycle 24 has started.

"Last April an international panel of solar experts forecast that Solar Cycle 24 would start in March 2008, plus or minus six months."
...-

WASHINGTON - A new solar cycle is under way.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says that the first sunspot of a new 11-year cycle has appeared in the sun's northern hemisphere. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/2uophy (canoenews)...-


More:

Read the sunspots

The mud at the bottom of B.C. fjords reveals that solar output drives climate change - and that we should prepare now for dangerous global cooling

R. TIMOTHY PATTERSON, Financial Post
http://tinyurl.com/2xjwma

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 8:41 AM

THE RUSKIS GET IT: PREDICT GLOBAL COOLING CYCLE STARTED

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html

"A cold spell soon to replace global warming

MOSCOW. (Oleg Sorokhtin for RIA Novosti) – Stock up on fur coats and felt boots! This is my paradoxical advice to the warm world.

Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. The current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases.

The real reasons for climate changes are uneven solar radiation, terrestrial precession (that is, axis gyration), instability of oceanic currents, regular salinity fluctuations of the Arctic Ocean surface waters, etc. There is another, principal reason—solar activity and luminosity. The greater they are the warmer is our climate.

Astrophysics knows two solar activity cycles, of 11 and 200 years. Both are caused by changes in the radius and area of the irradiating solar surface. The latest data, obtained by Habibullah Abdusamatov, head of the Pulkovo Observatory space research laboratory, say that Earth has passed the peak of its warmer period, and a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012. Real cold will come when solar activity reaches its minimum, by 2041, and will last for 50-60 years or even longer.""

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 5, 2008 8:43 AM

Doesn't appear to be a hoax. Though Eyore's right, it's not directly from NASA.

A leading Russian scientist is also predicting global cooling,

from FOX News yesterday:

A researcher at Russia's oceanology institute says global warming has peaked — and the planet is now headed for a cooling period that will last through the end of the century.

"Oleg Sorokhtin is a fellow of the Russian academy of natural sciences. He writes in an article for the Russian news and information agency that a cold spell will set in by 2012. H believes an even colder period will begin as solar activity reaches a minimum in 2041 — and that it will last 50 to 60 years."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320431,00.html


Posted by: biff at January 5, 2008 8:46 AM

Kate headlines:
"The Department Of Unintended Consequences: Human Rights Commission "

ROTFLMAO!! Another pearl cast before swine Kate!

Perhaps we should all refer to the federal justice dept. as the "Ministry of unintended consequences" until they pull this PC demon of the benches of the nation's courts and tribunals and put it back in Pandora's box.

Law is for civil justice not fabian social engineering.

"Ministry of unintended consequences"...gotta love it! ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 5, 2008 8:56 AM

WLM R “cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012”

Maybe that’s why the Goracle and DeYawn are in such a panic for us to buy those Kyoto credits , from their 3rd world despot buddies, by the 2012 deadline.

Posted by: nomdeblog at January 5, 2008 9:05 AM

Peter Dion, aka Citoyen MacKay?
As rotten apples from the Orchard fall on his head, Citoyen cowers in the Lib bunker. That's not fair, he repeats; he re Petes. It's Ralph's fault.
...-

"On the Internet, several Orchard supporters have floated comparisons between Dion and Peter MacKay, now defence minister, who famously made a convention-floor deal with Orchard at the Conservative leadership in 2003 only to renege on the arrangement to pursue the merger with the Canadian Alliance that same year."
Dion accused of snubbing Orchard
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/291219

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 9:09 AM

nomdeblog:

" “cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012”

Maybe that’s why the Goracle and DeYawn are in such a panic for us to buy those Kyoto credits , from their 3rd world despot buddies, by the 2012 deadline."

Get them carbon credits at fire-sale prices while they last...while this latest globalist scare holds out!! Get ;em now while they last...last chance to save the earth from burning to a crisp from North American affluence...last chance to propel global socialist wealth redistribution schemes....step right up getcher gen-you-wine carbon credits here reduce your wealth guilt and climate change at the same time...get 'em at the Gore-Strong UN carbon discount center! ;-)

Actually this 2012 date is starting to even spook me...there so much stuff predicted to happen that year...end of the Mayan calender, full implementation of North American Union integration, WHO predicted avian flu pandemic, end of the solar warming cycle, Albert pike's prediction for the start of WW3 and global government, The UN deadline for global response to agenda 21, the Gaia cult prophesy of the shift in human consciousness to the earth mother, The fortold 2nd term of a Clinton administration starts, Goricle's point of no return to climate doom...things are getting really weird....bring back Hunter Thompson to make some sense of this nightmare. ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 5, 2008 9:33 AM

Orchard is no different than Turner . Why is there so much attention payed to these a$$hats??

Posted by: Rob C at January 5, 2008 9:35 AM

The Most Hated Company In the PC Industry
January 4, 2008
By Mike Elgan
Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than any other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing hate them? ...-
http://tinyurl.com/2zt7et (earthweb)

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 9:45 AM

nasa, solar cycles. duh. it will be 1.6 degrees cooler by 2030. you can call me on that in 2030. by the way, who the hell would want it colder. only global warming nuts. i want to see an immediate 20 degree rise here in eastern ontario.

Posted by: old white guy at January 5, 2008 10:06 AM

Biff, you have nailed it, I have been saying for a long time we need to find that thermostat for the sun, which I personally think is somewhere near Biggar Sask. Only gore and the yappy jap would be stupid enough to come home to a cold house and declare a national emergency before turning up the thermostat, or finding their house to hot and going out and robbing people on the street to rectify that problem. Yes the scam is quickly unraveling and sadly they will not be charged for fraud like they should be along with the great Mo who fathered this bastard child, global warming.

Posted by: bartinsky at January 5, 2008 10:08 AM

Good catch on the ASUS E3 PC...been eying them out myself...and they run Linux OS and Firefox....definitely a value buy for anyone who wants to support a giant slayer ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 5, 2008 10:08 AM

Worth reading in its entirety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506219&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments

UK Daily Mail: The last testament of Flashman's creator: How Britain has destroyed itself.

Posted by: Nemo2 at January 5, 2008 10:14 AM

Biff,

your post is a blatant lie. the link you provide leads us to the space and science research center website. no ties to NASA! none!

there's a completetly unrelated link to a 2 yr old post naa post that has nothing whatsoever to do with SSRC's claims.

the entire site appears to be bogus. the listed address for the center can be traced to 2 other businesses including an attorney and a shady investment firm of some sort.

the so-called press release is riddled with typos and has been dismissed as junk by legitimate NASA scientists.

i can only assume that Biff posted this link as a hoax. there is no factual truth to any of it and only a minimal amount of reseaerch is required to debunk the post biff provides a link to.

Posted by: jeff davidson at January 5, 2008 10:24 AM

Protesting just a bit much aren't we Jeff?

Relax, we aren't gullible to believe every single article on the web as fact. I believe you may have this site mixed up with another you frequent.


Posted by: Glenn at January 5, 2008 10:42 AM

Re: the Winnipeg Transit Commission story, something very similar came up in Ottawa recently, when Ottawa Transit wanted to install an electronic system/GPS on each bus that would call out each stop automatically. The trouble was, it would have cost somewhere around $8,000,000 to implement (and they're already losing money), and this is something that's already specified as a requirement for the drivers to begin with (if they have to keep an eye out for riders waiting at the next stop, and they have to know the route already, but they can't do that, they shouldn't be driving the bus in the first place).

Posted by: SDC at January 5, 2008 10:44 AM

the right to ski jump. lets hope the right doesnt become a requirement, these old bones cant take it.


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080104/ski_jumping_080104/20080104?hub=TopStories

Posted by: cal2 at January 5, 2008 11:09 AM

I think the SSRC is, let's say, not to be taken seriously. It doesn't list its members, its experts and so on. So, ignore it.

BUT, the FACT that the sun affects the earth's climate, is valid. The FACT that the sun causes cyclical phases of warming and cooling, is valid. the FACT that this causality has far more of an effect than any CO2 human-caused emissions, is valid. The FACT that this effect is natural and that human life is not going to be obliterated by climate changes, is valid.

Therefore, the apocalpytic scenarios of Gore and Suzuki have only one effect. Making them very, very wealthy.

The Man is Sinful scenarios of the AGW crowd and their groupie followers have only one effect - making the UN and its new WorldWideScam wealthy.

What is the new UN WorldWideScam (WWS)? It's to inform the West, vulnerable to human culpability by its judeo-christian heritage, that..well, that its human membership are All Guilty. They have Sinned. (Sin is not found in non-Western ideologies). Their Sin is..well, it's being successful. Being Industrial. You know, inventing and making all those cars, airplanes, trains, computers, telephones..all those things that Make the Modern World Go Round. Evil Western People.

So, the non-Western World wants all these things that it didn't invent. How to get them? Hmmm. Oh, make the West pay for building factories in the non-Western world!!!! How to get the West to pay without any requirement for partnership in those new factories, without any requirement to pay the money back?

Call it Sin Money. The West 'owes' it to 'Us' because They Industrialized and Polluted the World. We, Pure People, Didn't. So, the West must now Pay Us to industrialize.
Oh, We Pure People are Exempt from any and all pollution standards and emission standards! Exempt.

YES- this means that the planet's emissions and pollutions will INCREASE! And, we, the Pure People, will now be industrial and we, the Pure People, will now take over the Western Economy. Heh.

That's what the UN does. Yet another WWS run by the UN.

So, global warming AND cooling is natural. It's cause? Sun activity. Solution? Well, you can try to send a missile to the sun with a hook, to hook onto it and slow it down...and...but..heat melts steel..and...oh well.

Solution? Everyone should control pollution. That's different from emissions. That's everyone. You. Not the govt. You. Other than that, there's no solution. Believe it or not, we are part of the natural environment. We'll manage just fine.

Posted by: ET at January 5, 2008 11:27 AM

No need to wait. Global Cooling is happening right now as 2007 is the coldest this century despite the predictions by the media early last year that 2007 would surpass 1998 as the warmest on record. Great post! And check out the graphs.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/01/2007-warmest-year-on-record-coldest-in.html

"The RSS MSU linear trend extracted from the 1998-2007 interval is -0.48 °C per century of cooling! Numerically, it's almost the same trend that we assign to the 20th century but with the opposite sign. The RSS MSU data imply that 2007 was 0.12 °C cooler than the already cool year 2006."

Posted by: TimR at January 5, 2008 11:33 AM

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/01/04/stories/2008010450970900.htm

"the North’s bio-fuel appetite will pave the way for the South’s starvation"

"Poor pay the price
Swaziland, a tiny nation in the African continent, is already in the grip of a terrible famine, where 40 per cent of its people face acute food shortages. The reason? The government there has allocated thousands of hectares of farmland in the district of Lavumisa, worst hit by drought and famine, for ethanol production from the Swazi people’s staple food crop, cassava."

Posted by: Jimbo at January 5, 2008 11:35 AM

But remember, tim, a true follower of AGW, is someone operating within the mental blindness of a camp follower. Facts are irrelevant. All of reality can be explained within their Mantra: AGW. And all will be healed by the UN Sin Trip Money Transference.

Posted by: ET at January 5, 2008 12:06 PM

An interesting and very informative global warming quiz can be found at:
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/start.html

Link courtesy of Theo Spark at: http://thelastofthefew.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Doug at January 5, 2008 12:16 PM

Re the media,happened to suffer thru As It Happens on cbc last eve (gotta get a Sat.radio for out here in the boonies!)Interview between Carol Off-her-Rocker,and guy that has weblog on miscommunications/outright lies by media (regret the error.com)and once story is out there,the lame attempts of retraction.Interestingly,even tho this fellow is from TO,most examples were US based,and NOT ONE example of cbc 'errors'..conv.ensued,on the factuality of blog-based info,and Carol puts her own spin on all the incorrect info put out there by bloggers.I did check out link at this blog..and lo and behold,quite a list of cbc corrections..no mention of Lawandgate,or more serious misinfo.Interesting little blog.

Posted by: Sammy at January 5, 2008 12:33 PM

does it matter if cooling began in 2007 or will begin in 2012 or 2020. The exdperts tend to agree... it is on it's way.

At the cryosphere website they are showing an + 804,000 square kilometer anomaly of sea ice world wide. The base level of ice is based on the mean for 1979 - 2000.

Posted by: truthsayer at January 5, 2008 12:39 PM

Britney Spears younger (16 years old) sister announced that she is pregnant. It appears to me that the younger Spears did not save her VIRGINITY for MARRIAGE as did Britney.

Bwaaaaaaaaa. Bwaaaaaaaaaa.

Posted by: dj at January 5, 2008 1:02 PM

Maz2, at 9:45 AM

http://tinyurl.com/2zt7et

Excellent find!

I will second WLM Redux 10:08

This is the avenue to shake free of the ponderous MS Windows stranglehold!

Asus motherboards have earned our respect over the long term.. now they provide a sort of freedom. NICE!

The article ends up with . . .

** Now rumors are circulating that a new Intel
Merom-based ASUS Eee PC that may ship as early as April will run so efficiently that it won't need a fan. The entire laptop will be solid state -- no moving parts. Intel loves that kind of thing.

There's no question about it -- Asustek is the most hated company in the industry.

Microsoft, Apple, Dell and Palm hate Asustek because the company can give us something they can't: A super cheap, flexible, powerful mobile computer. At $299, why would anyone not buy one?
==================
= TG

Posted by: TG at January 5, 2008 1:19 PM

Jeff:

"Liar!"

Ahem, see where I later recognized that it wasn't NASA.

My goodness, we have struck a nerve havn't we.

Also see the other posts which also allude to solar activity leading to the earth's tempurature (gee imagine that - that massive ball of firey gas thousands of times the size of the Earth, and responsible for all heat in the solar system....actually affecting the Earth's tempurature).

It's out there scientifically Jeff, and you can scream "liar" as loud as you want.

Watching the AGW believers flail as the other and better theories surpass the religious like thinking, will be fun to watch indeed.

Posted by: biff at January 5, 2008 2:01 PM

OODA Loop works for PM Harper = "Canada's newfound clout".
"This is the first time that I have seen us [Canada] really flex our muscle at a world meeting."
...-

"A lot of power also came to Canada in 2007 as the world watched its oil production - and capacity - grow.

Frank Atkins, economics professor at the University of Calgary, said a glaring example of Canada's newfound clout was at the United Nations climate change summit this month in Bali, where federal environment minister John Baird stood his ground rather than give in to impossible greenhouse gas emissions reductions, which is what the previous Liberal government did at Kyoto.

"He acted like he represented a country that is an oil producer," Mr. Atkins said.

The message was: "We want to be on the green bandwagon, but we are not going to be on what is dictated by the Europeans. This is the first time that I have seen us really flex our muscle at a world meeting.

"[Prime Minister Stephen] Harper learned some economics," said Mr. Atkins, who was Mr. Harper's supervisor when the Prime Minister was a master student at the University of Calgary." ...-

New power brokers packing lock, stock and $100 barrels

The economics of energy is challenging the world's traditional hegemonies
Claudia Cattaneo, Financial Post
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=213305


CBC/CanPress/MSM pimp for Blastering Liberal Citoyen Dion. ...-

Dion blasts Harper's foreign policy 'blunders'
September 20, 2007
The Canadian Press

Stéphane Dion is blasting the Conservative government's foreign policy as mediocre, rigid, simplistic, amateurish, ineffective and incompetent.
http://tinyurl.com/32tj2c (cbc)

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 2:09 PM

Now 'This' may be something to worry about;

R. Timothy Patterson is professor and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Centre, Department of Earth Sciences, Carleton University.

"Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe solar cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth. Beginning to plan for adaptation to such a cool period, one which may continue well beyond one 11-year cycle, as did the Little Ice Age, should be a priority for governments. It is global cooling, not warming, that is the major climate threat to the world, especially Canada. As a country at the northern limit to agriculture in the world, it would take very little cooling to destroy much of our food crops, while a warming would only require that we adopt farming techniques practiced to the south of us."

The Earth has been warmer, and all around then loved it, including the Polar Bears.

The Earth has been cooler, with a kilometer or two of ice covering most of Canada.

Wonder if the Polar Bears were squished to death ?

When the Earth cools, will the David Suzukis of the world demand that we all burn MORE fossils in order to save the Bears !?

Posted by: ron in kelowna at January 5, 2008 2:10 PM

Things are looking up for us ** Poor Boys**

To go along with the new modern Asustek laptop bargain at $299,

http://tinyurl.com/2zt7et

you will soon be able to buy a car that uses no gas or diesel for 2,500 Euros.

There is a BBC video waiting for you at:
AutoBlogGreen.com

French designed, India made at Tata Motors and a new plant going up in Melbourn Au.

Soon, a car and a great laptop for 9K. = TG

Posted by: TG at January 5, 2008 2:29 PM

More CFL stuff. I can't believe that the BBC site is putting all of this out now.

Go to the right of the page to the "See also"
Why now and not earlier?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7172662.stm

Posted by: Marcia at January 5, 2008 2:40 PM

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/kids_space/why_seasons.html&edu=high

"When the northern half of the Earth is pointing towards the Sun, the northern hemisphere of the Earth gets more direct sunlight and we call this season "summer" for the north. At this same time, the southern half of the Earth is pointed away from the Sun, so people in the southern hemisphere get less direct sunlight and we call this "winter" for the south. So, because of the tilt of the Earth's axis, the seasons in the south are the opposite of those in the north."


You'd think the dingdongs would be able to figure out that warm weather occurs in the summer because of the sun. When your part of the earth is getting little sunlight each day, it is usually winter. Luckily, air currents exist, warm and cold, and change it up a little for us poor buggers in the north.

I'm sick of the whole global warming idiocy - bring global warming on.....I'm freezing.

Posted by: Joanne at January 5, 2008 2:54 PM

ET: Great posts on the UN/AGW scam (chuckling to read your valiant efforts at a substitute for "money laundering").
I'm nearing the completion of my first read of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged and am gobsmacked at the affinity between John Galt's great speech toward the end (part 3 chapter 7) and your posts here. There's an audio link too.
Did you know that Rand was a ardent Aristotelian?

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at January 5, 2008 3:05 PM

biff: Thanks for your link. Toward the end of a "frienship" with a AGW/Fruitflyguy cultist I threw out, without any pretensions of scientific knowledge, that solar activity is probably the main culprit in climate change. I also told him that we will soon hear about global cooling. As you point out, considering the sheer and violent mass that is the sun, it's obvious.
But of course whereas the global WesternSinTaxLooters can't plausibly nail the SUN with the SIN tag, then can with sinful humans' generation of CO2.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at January 5, 2008 3:21 PM

Prince Charles will appear at conference as a hologram
Daily Mail
http://tinyurl.com/28r6w2

"The Prince wore a light-coloured suit to film the speech - if he had worn dark clothes, only his head would be visible."

One of Chuck's namesakes, King Charles I, had his head hologrammed on 30 January, 1649. He wore dark clothes.
Beware, Charles; 30 January is coming.

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 3:48 PM

Canadian Jr's win in OT to take the Gold

Posted by: bryanr at January 5, 2008 4:38 PM

Global Hot Air from the BBC
"Billions of people now ‘know' about global warming and how it threatens the planet. They ‘know' that it is all the fault of decades of irresponsible, profligate industry and capitalism.

And yet, what exactly do they really know? Have they delved in to the research data? Have they made it their business to acquire a thorough understanding of atmospheric processes and of climatology? Or have they simply heard it ad nauseam on the news. Heard it so insistently, emphatically and endlessly repeated that it must be true. Surely? "
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/global_hot_air_from_the_bbc.html

Posted by: alan at January 5, 2008 4:43 PM

thanks for the compliment, me no dhimmi. Yes, I'm trying to avoid the term 'money laundering' and have come up with a new acronym, following the esteemed leadership of the UN-IPCC. This is the UN-WWS, or, the United Nations WorldWide Scam. Like most scams, the agenda is to make its CEOs very, very wealthy.

As for Ayn Rand, I haven't read any of her work. If you are interested in an argument about morality, you might like Harry Gensler's online instruction chapters:

http://www.jcu.edu/philosophy/gensler/exercise.htm

That's his Gensler's Philosophy Exercises and he has some great stuff on morality, set up in very readable outline, including such interesting people as Ima Relativist, Ima Subjectivist, etc.

Posted by: ET at January 5, 2008 4:57 PM

Canada wins again at the World Juniors. Is it possible to express my admiration for these young men who worked so hard, and against such odds? It is truly our game, and for every coach and parent that makes that 6:00 am call to practice, I say "Thank you, and God bless"; without you, this wouldn't be possible.

Posted by: KevinB at January 5, 2008 4:57 PM

Nemo 2 If you are a George MacDonald Fraser fan, make sure you read the McAusland (sp?) novels. They are Semi autobiographical novels loosely based on Fraser's experiences as an army officer late in WW2 and post war. They are great books, better than Flashman

Posted by: minuteman at January 5, 2008 5:16 PM

The phrase, "may occur naturally in part", gives the AGWarmites wriggle room/saves their face.
IMO, the AGW hot air balloon is being hauled down/ back to earth slowly. It will die without a whimper.
...-

"Study says North Atlantic waters may be warming naturally
Charles Mandel , CanWest News Service

The authors of a new paper published this week argue that warmer water in the North Atlantic Ocean - often cited as being caused by climate change and a trigger of more severe storms - may occur naturally in part."
http://tinyurl.com/2wfzq6

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 5:26 PM

British blogger "Lionheart" facing arrest for telling truth about radical Islam

http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2008/01/british-police-have-been-charged-with.html

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at January 5, 2008 5:30 PM

PRIME MINISTER CONGRATULATES TEAM CANADA ON GOLD MEDAL AT 2008 WORLD U20 HOCKEY CHAMPIONSHIPS


January 5, 2008
Ottawa, Ontario

Prime Minister Stephen Harper today congratulated Canada's junior men's hockey team on their hard-fought overtime victory in today's gold medal game at the 2008 World U20 (Under 20) Hockey Championships in Pardubice, Czech Republic.

”Along with all Canadians, I am extremely proud of the outstanding performance by our junior men’s hockey team at the 2008 World Junior Hockey Championships. Once again, Team Canada players have shown the talent and true Canadian spirit to take on the best hockey teams in the world and emerge champions.”

With this most recent victory, Canada has won the World U20 Juniors four consecutive years and has won a medal in every tournament since 1999.

The next World U20 Hockey Championships will be held in Ottawa from December 26, 2008 to January 5, 2009. Ottawa will be the eighth Canadian city to host a world junior championship after Vancouver (2006), Halifax (2003), Winnipeg (1999), Red Deer, Alta. (1995), Saskatoon (1991), Hamilton (1986) and Montreal (1978).

Posted by: Lorraine at January 5, 2008 6:02 PM

From springer at Chucker's place Steyn on our HRC important topic folks , read it .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 5, 2008 6:10 PM

Canadian Sentinel: Re that UK blogger arrested for telling the truth about Islam, check this out:

Bill Gertz, Washington Times national security columnist, reports (1/4/08) that the Pentagon has fired Stephen Coughlin its most knowledgeable specialist on Islamic Law, and jihad terrorism. As Gertz observed aptly, the Pentagon thus ended the career of its most effective analyst attempting to prepare the military to wage ideological war against jihadism.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at January 5, 2008 6:14 PM

minuteman : Thanks, I read a little about him here:

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/article3307561.ece

Quote: "It needed only a few moments exposure to one of his reminiscing public performances to establish that George MacDonald Fraser had led quite a life. His experiences included being held upside down by his heels, while strafed by Japanese sniper fire, as he foraged for water during the Burma Campaign of the Second World War..."

Posted by: Nemo2 at January 5, 2008 6:17 PM

ET:

In case you didn't see it, my post contained a link to John Galt's speech from Atlas Shrugged which is all about morality. Facts, existence, joy, high reason.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at January 5, 2008 6:20 PM

Here's Rex Murphy's dynamite commentary on the CIC/Macleans Human Rights (sic) Commission fiasco, broadcast on the CBC, no less:

"CBC Rex Murphy

"The National, January 3, 2008

"TRANSCRIPT

"Time was when 'human rights' was a truly large and noble idea. I associate the concept with, and its birth out of, some of the great horrors of the past century: the bestial depredations of the Nazis, their 'race science' and death camps, the horrors of unbridled totalitarianism - under which, the whim of the rulers was sufficient to mutilate, torture and destroy lives, collectively or individually - send millions to arctic slave camps - the debasement of internal exile and psychiatric rehabilitation.

"More currently, I associate real human rights advocacy with the case of a young Saudi woman, who very recently was repeatedly gang-raped - and then she – the victim - charged and sentenced by a Saudi court to 200 lashes and six months in jail for being in a car with a male not her relative. The sentence, after international protest, was voided --- but that young woman’s case represents a real example of the violation of basic human rights.

"What I do not associate with this deep and noble concept is getting ticked off by something you read in a magazine - or for that matter hear on television - and then scampering off to a handful - well, three - of Canada's proliferate human rights commissions - seeking to score off the magazine: this is what four Osgoode Hall law students and graduates --- a very definition of the 'marginalized' --- under the banner of the Canadian Islamic Congress have done after reading an excerpt from Mark Steyn's America Alone in Maclean’s. The complainants read the article as 'flagrantly islamophobic'.

"Maclean’s magazine? Well, we all know what a hotbed of radical bigotry and vile prejudice Maclean’s magazine has been. Go away … for what seems like a century Maclean’s was no more 'offensive' (that is the can’t term of choice these days) than a down comforter on a cold day and if Mark Steyn's article offended them: so what? Not every article in every magazine of newspaper is meant to be a valentine card addressed to every reader's self-esteem. Maclean’s published a bushel of letters following the article's appearance: some praised it: others scorned it. That's freedom of speech: that's democracy: that's the messy business we call the exchange of ideas and opinions.

"But where does the BC Human Rights Commission, the Ontario Human Rights Commission, the Canadian Human Rights Commission come into this picture? Has anyone been publicly whipped? Has someone or some group been hauled off to a gulag? Is there a race frenzy sweeping the land?

"Why is any human rights commission inserting itself between a magazine, a television show, a newspaper and the readers or viewers? Is every touchy, or agenda-driven sensibility now free to call upon the offices of the state and free of charge - to them - not their targets - to embroil them in 'justifying' their right to write and broadcast as they see fit? The Western Standard magazine, during the so-called Danish cartoon crisis got hauled before the Alberta Human Rights Commission for publishing the cartoons that all the world was talking about. The action drained the magazine’s resources - but it was free to the complainant.

"Meantime real human rights violations - threats of death against Salman Rushdie, riots after the cartoons, death threats against the artists, the persecution of Hirsi Ali, the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, neither inspire nor receive human rights investigations.

"Maclean’s and its columnists - especially of late - are an ornament to Canada's civic space. They should not have to defend themselves for doing what a good magazine does: start debate, express opinion, and stir thought. And most certainly they should not have to abide the threatened censorship of any of Canada's increasingly interfering, state appointed and paradoxically labeled human rights commissions."

Here's my two cents, sent to the CBC web site, in the Comment section after the transcription of Murphy's remarks. My comment has not been posted: the last post was made yesterday, I think.

"This is, figuratively, a frosty Friday, and a Red Letter Day: this day, I PRAISE the CBC for a very fine piece of journalism!

"Rex Murphy’s surgically sharp indictment of Canada’s kangaroo courts, the Human Rights (sic) Commissions, hit nearly all the right nails on the head: 1) the fact that the hapless defendant of one of these Star Chambers is guilty as charged—whatever happened to the rule of law concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'? 2) the fact that the defendant has to pay, out of his/her own pocket, to prove his/her innocence (the complainant takes no risk, monetary or otherwise); and 3) the fact that 'being offended', not the truth of the matter, is considered grounds for the collusion of an individual (or individuals) with the STATE to harass a fellow citizen of an apparently 'free' country, under threat of the censorship of his/her opinions and 'free' speech.

"This was a short piece, so the estimable Mr. Murphy didn’t have time to include in his indictment such additional facts as: 1) Members of all Human Rights (sic) Commissions are political appointees. So far, close to 100% are members of the left-wing elites that run this country. 2) A Human Rights (sic) panel may consist of only one person—usually not more than three—which acts as prosecution, jury, and judge. 3) The Commission has huge powers to punish the defendant: both large fines and censorship of future expression of opinion—under threat of further harsh penalties for non-compliance. 4) The rules of evidence are waived: hearsay evidence is both allowed and there is no onus to prove its validity.

"All of this should scare the Beejeesus out of law abiding Canadians who aren’t brain dead and have a few negative opinions about where we’re headed. And, yes, I’m delighted that, on January 3, 2008, Rex Murphy exposed the fraudulence of Canada’s Human Rights (sic) Commissions on our tax funded network. However. . . what took so long? Many conservative groups have been documenting the abuses of Canada’s Human Rights (sic) Commissions for decades. When conservative groups speak up, the MSM— the CBC being one of the worst offenders—have censored such opinions by omission. (Most conservatives avoid the CBC. I watched this via a link at Mark Steyn’s Macleans article.)

"Rex Murphy is one in a million. Thanks for speaking up—and so eloquently—Mr. Murphy! (And I hope your job is safe!)

"P.S. If more CBC coverage was of this calibre and fairness, I’d be watching again."

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 5, 2008 6:30 PM

The slow drum beat of death continues. Most of you here do realize, don't you, that this is happening because of YOUR ***DEFECTION*** to the internet?

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/1432062.php?

Sun-Times To Layoff 40

Bob Roberts Reporting

"CHICAGO -- The Chicago Sun-Times plans 40 layoffs at month's end, including as many as 35 newsroom staffers."

"The Sun-Times itself reported that as many as 27 Newspaper Guild-represented copy editors, designers and reporters will be laid off, although none of those targeted will be sportswriters covering major beats or the newspaper's photographers."

"Published reports indicate that an additional five management employees will be laid off."

"Crain's Chicago Business reported that the newspaper's efforts to increase revenues in the past year fell flat. Instead, Crain's reported, Security and Exchange Commission filings show that ad revenue fell 10 percent during the first nine months of 2007, to $214.9 million."

"The newspaper industry as a whole has been suffering as readers defect to the Internet."


Posted by: Yoop at January 5, 2008 6:33 PM

The Taliban did not spring spontaneously from the mountains of Afghanistan.
Taliban Jack Layton-NDP's Taliban was "installed" by Benazir Bhutto.
...-

"During Benazir's regime, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan had installed the Taliban in Afghanistan and a large number of young Islamic militants were recruited to carry out ISI's "dirty work in Kashmir", Dalrymple writes in the New York Times."

Assassinated ex-premier of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto was a victim of her own legacy, according to noted author William Dalrymple. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/2gd3xy (andhrandnews)

Posted by: maz2 at January 5, 2008 6:49 PM

ET @ 11:27: along with Me No Dhimmi, I'd like to congratulate you on a fine summary of the AGW scam. I've got some friends who read the Toronto Star: for their edification, I'm going to pass along the truth of the matter.

Posted by: lookout at January 5, 2008 6:51 PM

Defect. Defection. Defect to the enemy.

Implying that one is 'defective' if one sources information from the Internet instead of the MSM. Figures.

Have to hand it to the journalists though --- they really know how to play on words. It is as if that is all they "study" at Ryersons.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at January 5, 2008 6:54 PM

I'm still wondering what the Winterpeg transit rider is all upset about. ("Human Rights Commission puts Winnipeg transit riders at risk.")
I have seen both the automated stop announcements and driver announcement systems, and it ain't rocket science. I have even seen drivers letting riders know where they should get off for connections or a specific location if the rider isn't familiar with the route. Some people have no life if this is an issue. I'd worry more about the coffee drinking, cell phone talking driver trying that lane change in front of you.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 5, 2008 7:46 PM

Prime Minister Stephen Harper today congratulated Canada's junior men's hockey team

Dat is not fair.

Posted by: PiperPaul at January 5, 2008 8:46 PM

concerned Canadian - thank you so much for an excellent letter. May I strongly suggest that you send a copy of the whole - that's Rex Murphy's comment and your own, by post to the Human Rights Commissions? And a copy by email to Harper's office. I hope you do this.

me no dhimmi - thanks again for your comments; yes, I did look, briefly, through your link. That's why I mentioned Harry Gensler's work on ethics and morality.

Posted by: ET at January 5, 2008 9:17 PM

Bill D. Cat at 6:10 pm: Thanks for the link to the Steyn article. I almost lost my whole monitor and keyboard when I read what no one has ever said better. When wondering why an Ontario labour organization would support the complaint against him to the CHRC et al, Steyn notes:

"Except that there seems to be some kinky kind of competition on the Western left to be, metaphorically speaking, Islam's lead prison bitch."

Posted by: felis corpulentis at January 5, 2008 9:33 PM

Nuclear jiggery pokery by Israel, Pakistan, and especially Turkey:

For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets

A WHISTLEBLOWER has made a series of extraordinary claims about how corrupt government officials allowed Pakistan and other states to steal nuclear weapons secrets.

Sibel Edmonds, a 37-year-old former Turkish language translator for the FBI, listened into hundreds of sensitive intercepted conversations while based at the agency’s Washington field office...

Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of US officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear institutions...

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at January 5, 2008 9:41 PM

Biff, thanks for starting the process that generated so many interesting sources of information on global cooling. This has the potential to be far more devastating than global warming especially if huge amounts of food production have been diverted to the very inefficient production of ethanol.

I'm glad that I decided to make the move to the interior of BC a few years ago. It seems like a much safer place to spend 2012 than Vancouver. Now that the evidence for global cooling is so overwhelming, I've decided that my next vehicle is going to be an SUV.

Posted by: loki at January 5, 2008 10:13 PM

Thanks, ET. I might just do that!

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 5, 2008 10:26 PM

September 2007:
"Stéphane Dion is blasting the Conservative government's foreign policy as mediocre, rigid, simplistic, amateurish, ineffective and incompetent."

Well I guess HE would know.

Posted by: eastern paul at January 5, 2008 10:50 PM

They have Sinned. (Sin is not found in non-Western ideologies).

Where does that one come from? Every culture has some sense of 'sin' in it. Every society has
a 'higher ideal' towards which one is expected to strive. Failure to reach toward that higher ideal or the idea of being ruled by our base nature is pretty much shunned in any culture if for no other reason than lack of such an ideal precludes an orderly society.

Posted by: Joe at January 6, 2008 12:03 AM

Great, global cooling. Ten years from now we'll look back at the heyday of AGW and say "those were the good old days!"

Posted by: Free Thinker at January 6, 2008 12:53 AM

It's global warming folks. Ever notice how Popsicles are getting smaller and your paying more? UN can tell you why!!! !!!!

Posted by: ural at January 6, 2008 2:05 AM

@let there be light:

Thanks for the link to the story about the Queen Mother.

Posted by: Daniel M. Ryan at January 6, 2008 8:33 AM

I've just taken ET's advise and sent my above post to the PM. I added this:

"Prime Minister, the HRCs are improperly constituted and are out of control. It’s about time that these undemocratic kangaroo courts were disbanded altogether. The idea that having one’s feelings hurt—surely, a subjective matter—is enough cause for the state to take sides and seriously threaten the peace and order of a law abiding Canadian citizen’s life is abhorrent.

"I’m an observant Christian, who used to be active in the public square debate about a number of controversial issues. Now that I’m under threat, in order to protect my job—my ideas are out of line with my employer’s 'Equity (sic) Policy'—and keep myself out of the sights of the HRCs, I now keep my mouth shut. Some freedom, Prime Minister!

"The whole 'equity' industry in this country is a complete sham. With impunity, and while threatening the rest of us with reprisals, certain groups are allowed to say and do just about whatever they please. This so called 'equity' is exactly the opposite: in reality, it’s reverse discrimination and the traffic is all one way.

As Canada’s Prime Minister, you have a duty to protect all its citizens from arbitrary and repressive measures of the state. One of the best ways to do this would be to dismantle the Human Rights (sic) Commissions, which have an altogether abysmal record of being objective and fair. In fact, they are set up to be just the opposite. The time is right to get rid of them.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 6, 2008 9:16 AM

It's the Man From Hope!
No, not Clinton.
JFKerry? No.
It's Hussein Obama, aka the Great Black Muslim Hope. Hussein is the H-word, a Muslim name; not to be mentioned/tabooed by the left MSM.
JFK? So sad for the leftists; JFK was assassinated/shot dead by a leftist of the leftists: LHO, aka Lee Harvey Oswald.
...-

Hail the rise of a new JFK
http://tinyurl.com/ywlwgt (timesonline)

Posted by: maz2 at January 6, 2008 9:40 AM

I am planning on quoting a submission to National Post's online Full Comment section to my local MP regarding HRC's. The response was to George Jonas's column yesterday on the outrage that are Canada's Human Rights Comissions.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/01/04/george-jonas-it-s-a-human-right-to-be-an-idiot.aspx#comments

"by haliburton
Jan 05 2008
5:42 PM Yes, it is a kangaroo court, and a most unCanadian one at that.

Before the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, May 10, 2007, Transcript of Warman V. Lemire :

(Dean Steacy is an INTERNET “investigator” for the Canadian Human Rights Commission and Barbara Kulaszka, a lawyer representing a website owner)

MS. KULASZKA: “ Mr. Steacy, you were talking before about context and how important it is when you do your investigation. What value do you give freedom of speech when you investigate one of these complaints?”

MR. STEACY: “Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value.”

MS. KULASZKA: “Okay. That was a clear answer.”

MR. STEACY: “It's not my job to give value to an American concept.”

One can certainly infer that these statements are of a blatantly fascist, totalitarian nature. We clearly see Steacy treating the Canadian Charter of Rights with utter contempt. It's not that Steacy rejects "freedom of speech." He simply appears not to believe in the concept of a pluralistic democracy where people actually have a constitutional guarantee that the government won't be able to silence them just because someone like Steacy says so.

Here we are shown a clear example of how we are served by an investigative civil servant on the Federal payroll. And where, pray tell, did he develop such ideas? With the KGB or the STASI perhaps? Why, no! With the so-called Canadian Human Rights Commission. Are not responsible officers with the Federal Government required to a take an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of our country? Apparently not, if they work for the so-called Human Rights Commission.

In the Spring of 2007, the so-called Human Rights Commission made a motion that the Accused Person be excluded from the Hearing Room. This monstrous demand, going far beyond the most debased and despicable Star Chamber proceeding, was rejected by the legal authority on the Human Rights Tribunal on May 10, 2007, who stated: “If granted, Mr. Lemire will be excluded from the hearing examining his own alleged conduct. He will be denied the opportunity to view the evidence. His opportunity to assist and instruct his lawyer will be restricted. Section 50(1) provides that all parties shall be given a "full and ample opportunity, in person or through counsel, to appear at the inquiry, present evidence and make representations".

It is clear that the so-called Canadian Human Rights Commission is totally out of control and has become an organization employing undemocratic radicals, with fascist tendencies, who disparage the Canadian Constitution and openly demand the suspension of the most basic rights in legal proceedings. The Federal Government cannot constantly rely on the Tribunal to suppress the ghastly totalitarian outlook and practices of the Commission, any more than the regular judicial system can suppress an out of control police system. The grotesque so-called Human Rights Commission has obviously been subverted and must be eliminated from our Government!"

Posted by: MRV at January 6, 2008 10:00 AM
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