Largest mosque in Canada - ISNA (Islamic Society of North America).

ISNA is a Muslim Brotherhood front group.
Interesting, in a recent show Glen Beck featured a "moderate" muslim from ISNA Nevada at the end of the hour, who decried terrorism etc. in the nost generic taqiyya language. Glen fell for it hook line and sinker and thanked the Islamist profusely.

Glen Beck is one of the MSM's leaders in counter-jihad programming but sadly he is known to have said -- and I heard him dumbfounded -- "I've read the Koran ... and I maintain it's peaceful".
SO ... much work needs to be done.

My congratulations to the female reporter in the story who walked through the FRONT door of the mosque after being told to use the back stairs like all the other broads. Now -that- my friends is an actual feminist.

Welcome to Canada girls. Walk in the front like the white chicks do, and put a brick in your purse in case Uncle Abdul gets cranky about it. Nothing like getting decked by a girl to settle Mr. Macho Man down.

the comments at bread and roses are pathetically typical...it will make you sick to even read them.

Why do the people at that blog you linked to, call themselves "progressive"? "Regressive" would be more accurate.

The silence on Benazir Bhutto in Canadian mosques is a true indicator of who really has the most influence in the Islamic community, the hard line fundamentalists.

bread and roses: Yeah, I went there too and was nauseous.

Encountered this Hadith the other day: Bukhari,8,76,535:

Mohammed: "Standing at the gate of Paradise, I noticed that most of the people who had entered were poor, while the wealthy were required to wait outside while their accounts were settled. Meanwhile the people condemned to Hell were being driven into the fire. As I stood there watching, I noticed that most of these people were women."

Creep! Was just thinking: the civilized world needs to tear a page out of the successful anti-apartheid campaign against S. Africa and start a concerted Islamic-world-wide anti-apartheid campaign in support of Muslim women.

[deleted. Profanity snd stupidity. ED]

Nice start to the New Year, Mr. Davidson.

I went to the "Bread and Roses" blog which should change their name to something that is close to
the absolute nothing they write.
I went on and on trying to find something
intelligent, no show!
And yes, Mr. Davidson has such a sweet way of
turning a phrase, does he not? Good luck in the
new year, I suspect you always need it.
Happy New year to the great people on this blog,
it is a everyday read for me.

Thanks

Benazir Bhutto said in a recent interview that: "I am the terrorist's worst fear !!!"

This made her fair game in Pakistan where the Taliban make their refuge from Afghanistan.

BTW .. Tarek Fatah has criticized and even attacked the extremist imams running most Canadian mosques, and revealed that most of these imams are financed from Iran .. yes, Iran ... go figure ..!!!

Tarek Fatah was told he was behaving in an anti-Islamic manner .. which he interpreted as a declaration of apostasy .. and thus subject to death. That is why he withdrew from public view for a long time.

Is that the level the progressives have risen to? No wonder jeff davidson makes no sense.

I notice the scumbags at the supposed 'Canadian Blog Awards' site were careful to only not capitalize 'conservative' in the categories. Let a dipper near a control panel and scum runs out.

jeff davidson, happy new year to you too and may God bless you

See? Now this sounds like a very progressive religion. Where do I sign up?

Speaking of Jeffie, lots of fun at his most recent post here:

Where'd Jeff's Ballz go?

Seems Jeffie was dissin' Kate and then was forced to do a massive clean-up in the comments.

There has to be a handful of muslim women out there that can muster up the gumption to confront the barbaric backward cult of islam. I realize it means facing violence and possible death from the muslim community, but they can't want this for their daughters.

No Canadian female with an ounce of intelligence pay attention to our so-called paid feminist here, except to voice opinion on what a waste of money they are, and how their agenda is a joke.

For them to stand by with their hands over their eyes and ears, to avoid talking about the sickening abuse of islam towards females, showcases the absurdity of their existence.

So once again the people from the Muslim Canadian Congress do the right thing, or at least say the right things. Good for them.

As bad as the silence about Benazir Bhutto is, I find the rumours calculated to blacken the name of Aqsa Parvez (via Kathy Shaidle) even more disturbing.

Charles Macdonald, thank you for linking that article by Khalid Hasan.

From the article (begin quote):
"According to Dr Abou el Fadl, “From the gross liberties taken in translating the (Quranic) text, apparently the translators believe that God wishes women to be like house-broken dogs — loyal, sweet and obedient. One can only ponder what type of rotted and foul soul imagines that God wishes to imprison women in a sewer of squalid male egos, and suffer because men cannot control their libidos. What an ugly picture they have created of God’s compassion and mercy!”

A Western scholar of Islam, Daphne Grace, in a 2004 work wrote, “Contrary to popular belief, the veiling of women is nowhere explicitly prescribed in the Quran. It is claimed that the custom of veiling arises from the verse in the Quran telling believers to ‘cast down their eyes ... and reveal not their adornment save such as is outward; and let them cast their veils over their bosoms.’” She quotes the scholar Fadwa El Guindi, who elaborated the translation of this passage to reveal that the original meaning was to “cover the cleavage of the breasts”. Grace writes: “The passage has been interpreted by men in some countries to indicate the requirement of the full veil . . . while in other countries (such as Egypt), a fashionable headscarf suffices. It is worth noting that the cover outlined in the Quran was intended to prevent the public flaunting of sexuality, and a parallel verse prescribed an equivalent modest dress code for men.”

But I will let Saadat Hasan Manto have the last word. He wrote that outward symbols, be they beards or metal wristbands or sacred threads across the bare chest, are external manifestations of a sprit that is no longer alive. The hijab, which has been gaining ground among Muslim women since the Iranian “revolution”, falls in the same category. Those who wear it believe that they are fulfilling the Quranic injunction and thus earning merit in the eyes of God. Their reading of the holy book is faulty and it only bears witness to their ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Aqsa Parvez lost her young life at the alter of ignorance. She will surely end up in heaven." (end quote)

In my opinion, everyone should have a read of the article Charles linked.

From Kate's link to the Tarek Fatah article above: "When asked by a Toronto Star reporter why he had deliberately avoided mentioning Ms. Bhutto's name, the imam snapped back: "Why? This is not a political arena. This is about religion. That's politics." How convenient."

It's patently obvious that a significant portion of 21ST century Islam IS a political movement intertwined with a type of religious doctrine espoused by men of authority who occupy a bully pulpit within that religion. Who could deny that point?

Argubly, it's high time for an Islamic version of Luther's 95 Theses; to wit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Negt6IzxPTo
Dr. Wafa Sultan, a truly extraordinary woman.

Matt, the only way Jeffie Davidson gets traffic at his bog (no Jeffie, that's not a typo) is by getting deleted at SDA.

So Jeffie thinks women -should- use the back stairs, or he just thinks we're mean for mentioning it?

Way to support the chicks Jeffie. Hope your girlfriend carries a brick in her purse, with a "protector" like you she's going to need one.

Charles MacDonald, I also send my thanks for the article.

Regrettably, I can't say I'm shocked or dismayed. These creatures are running true to form. This is who they are, this is what they do, this is what they are trying to impose on EVERY woman in Canada.

Hence my wish for a whole mosque full of armed and cranky Muslim women. Guys like that don't really react to anything less than a full court butt kicking. Let the imam get mobbed three weeks running and perhaps the message from the pulpit will improve.

It'll have to be the Muslim women sticking up for themselves too, our home grown feminazis are worse than useless if Kate's link to bread n' hoses is any indication. What a bunch of dingbats. Female Jeff Davidsons.

Joe B:
Haven't read the linked article yet, but based on the passages you quoted, I adamantly reject a lot of that "western scholar" nonsense. The issue of whether Islam requires or doesn't require covering is a a cover up. The real issue is the value of women in Islam, as in, HALF at best; and the freedom of women to contribute, which is NIL. There's no way to read the a**holy texts -- I've read the Hadith and Sira and have just started the Koran -- and come away with that nice comfy feeling that, er, it's a translation problem -- a great big cross-cultural misunderstanding.

A POX on "western scholars" of Islam who are either delusional dupes -- useful idiots -- or deliberate falsifiers. Totally ignore "western scholars" of Islam. I'm sure the heroic Wafa Sultan would concur.

They can't help themselves. It's their religion as explained in their manuals:

Sura al-Baqarah 2:23: Your women are a tilth to you to cultivate so go to your tilth as ye will, and send good deeds before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will one day meet Him.

Sura an-Nisa 4:34: As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, and beat them.

Sura an-Nisa 4:24: And all married women are forbidden to you save those whom your right hand possesses (captives).

Sura al-Baqarah 2:222: They question thee concerning menstruation. Say it is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not unto them till they are cleansed.

Me No Dhimmi,

Mo also declared that the vast majority in hell are women.

But, of course, I'm taking all this out of context.

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Homa Arjomand, the Coordinator of the International Campaign Against Sharia Court in Canada.

“As the power of political Islam grew in Iran , I witnessed the execution of all my fellow activists for their belief and work in human and women’s rights issues in Iran .

All of us were motivated by a common concern that political Islam was trying to expand in Canada by promoting the use of family arbitrations based on Sharia law. We were sure that the rise of Sharia court in Canada was not just a coincident. It was part of a global move of political Islam.”

frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=355FB5F0-65CA-4BFC-9A4F-59CFC3031E09

irwin daisy ... women.. yeah, a bit further up,
Posted by: Me No Dhimmi | January 1, 2008 1:08 AM

Encountered this Hadith the other day: Bukhari,8,76,535:

Mohammed: "Standing at the gate of Paradise, I noticed that most of the people who had entered were poor, while the wealthy were required to wait outside while their accounts were settled. Meanwhile the people condemned to Hell were being driven into the fire. As I stood there watching, I noticed that most of these people were women."

irwin daisy -- earlier thing I did and didn't post. What the hell, here it is:

Migawd -- I read the "Who Will Mourn Aqsa Parvez piece".
Some very nice sentiments but …

2nd paragraph: "One can only wonder if he was praying to the same God of compassion that the Qur’an gives tidings of". SHOCKA. No way on g-d's green earth to read the Islamic trilogy -- with an understanding of the Medina period abrogating the Meccan period -- and portray Allah as "compassionate".

5th paragraph: reference to: Dr Abou el Fadl. Notorious apologist. My daughter gave me a book of his -- presumably to cure my islamophobia (sic) -- about Democracy and Islam. Honest to g-d, cracked the book open and the first paragraph I saw included some nice stuff about "consultation". Utterly meaningless word like the word "dialogue" out of the mouths of our liberal fascists.

His book: Islam and the Challenge of Democracy - section: Democracy and Divine Sovereignty (get it?) page 5.
"... the Qur’an itself does not specify a particular form of government. But it does identiy a set of social and political values that are central to a Muslim polity. Three values are of particular importantce: pursuing justice through social cooperation and mutual assistance (49:13, 11:119); establishing a nonautocratic, consultative method of governance; and institutional mercy and compassion in social interactions (6:12, 6:54, 21:107, 27:77, 29:51, 45.20). So all else being equal, Muslims today ought to endorse the form of government that is most effective in helping them promote these values."

Note "muslim polity" (doesn't include Jews, Christians, Copts, Buddhists etc). Also note that the Qur'an is meaningless without the context of the Hadith and Sira from which sharia law is derived.

Joe B, thanks for that YouTube link. Wafa Sultan is a good example of the change in thinking that is underway. Although, I confess the thinking is not that clear to me. It is interesting that she says it is a Muslim culture, not a religion. And that the culture must be "transformed" to the modern world yet that must happen by religious imams that lead the way .. .seems like a contradiction between her use of culture and religion.

She also says that it Islam can’t be “reformed”, that it must be “transformed” ..whatever that means? What’s the difference? Frankly it gets a bit confusing. I’m sure glad I’m not a Muslim kid trying to figure out what I should do to adapt.

Having said that, there’s a 1.3 billion Muslims and they have to adapt, that is not exactly a fringe group of people and they can’t go on like this.

Wafa Sultan -- very clear. She considers herself a Muslim but doesn't "believe in Islam". She thinks ISLAM -- not fundamentalist islam, not political islam, not hijacked (sic) islam, just ISLAM -- needs to be, and will be, crushed.
By transformed she obviously means become secular. Becoming secular is not "reform of Islam" -- rather a leaving of Islam. Islam CAN'T be reformed. You only need to get a good grasp of the statistics -- on the overwhelming percentage of the Islamic trilogy that deal with jihad (war, not personal struggle), the outright and unabased repression of women, and the violent treatment of infidels, to know that Islam can't be reformed. Impossible.

A relative of hers -- a sister, neice? -- was the victim of a forced marriage. She tried to escape. She committed suicide.

As to the 1.3 billion. Forget it. Mostly sheeple who don't know Islam from their sorry asses. You have to think of the vanguard -- no different than the Bolsheviks of which evidently there were only a few thousand at the time of the revolution.

Walid Shoebat asks a neat question: How come "moderate muslim" websites are all in English. None in Arabic? Walid is a former Islamic terrorist -- knows Arabic, knows the topic! Knows who the useful idiots are.

One of the main problems as I see it, and this might be a bit simplistic, is that there is no "head" of the Islamic faith on earth. As a result you have factions of the same faith killing each other to prove they are the chosen. Each imam can preach whatever he likes and the sheeple follow, often to disasterous results.
Roman Catholics are by no means perfect but at least they have so called divine guidance in the Pope. I cannot recall any jihad called by the Pope against anyone like say the Greek Orthodox. Catholics who wander off to do their own thing are called to account if they contrivene the church doctrine (but heads are not lopped off).

MND .. I guess it really doesn’t matter if I’m confused or what WE think. They are going to have to change, to modernize and to get away from tribalism. Tribalism, like communism or any fascist setup doesn’t encourage a middle class to rule itself. So Islam can’t work … unless it is with small populations herding camels .. those days are gone.

I agree with Texas Canuck that without a leader … it is difficult to lead a reformation. Maybe that’s why Dr Sultan chose the word .. transformation.

Still, not much WE can do, except insist on what OUR sovereignty is about and that we stand for the equality of men and women, separation of church and state etc.

Agree, nomddeblog, AND, harden our resolve domestically = a better defintion of "religion" to exclude foreign-financed mosques (which are NOT the same as churches) teaching anti-west-anti-infidel hatred and sedition (in fact, monitor the mosques!), a much tougher no-nonsense and self-interested immigration and refugee policy to foil the cultural jihadi 5th columnists (NO immigration form Pakistan, obviously), a hard look at the wahhabi-hijacking of Middle East Studies departments at universities whose pro-Islamist Chairs often end up advising government, & etc.

AND, give up the wholly discredited neo-con project of installing democracy, AND tie aid to performance toward free societies OR maybe end it altogether (esp. END all that jizya to the "Palestinians" who just got another promise of $7.4 B -- essentially a jihad subsidy).

Yup, not much we can do OVER THERE. Don't feed their maniacal paranoia about the West being out to destroy Islam -- stay out of their lands as much as practically possible.

MND “a better definition of "religion" to exclude foreign-financed mosques”

Ahhaa .. faith based funding. The item that side-swiped everything else that John Tory had to offer ( which offering nobody knows about unless they read a 60 page PDF on his web-site) . He mangled the faith based issue but it comes down to: what is going on in a Mosque?

We look at the quotes that Kate has posted here and wonder what else have the Wahhabi oil princes in Saudi Arabia funded in the faith based schools in Toronto and Mississauga ?

In terms of what should WE do , we need to articulate what kind of society do WE want and what universal principals of democracy do we think are worth fighting for. We aren't dealing with the Viet Cong this time, THEY are here too, we can't just helicopter out of the war zone.

Hi again nomdeblog:
Separation of church and state. No exceptions. Not one red copper AND cancellation of charity tax status at the first occurence of political propagandizing.

Curiously, Europe does not have this. Many countries have "state religions" and therefore to be "fair" they also fund mosques and even help train imams.

Yeah, most people don't realize that the mosques don't equate to churches. They are religious / social / political centres, with the emphasis on the latter when Wahhabi money is involved.
We definitely need to be monitoring the mosques and if this means also monitoring churches and synagogues out of "fairness", fair enough.

I read recently that the Soviets all thru the cold war spent about $7-8 Billion on propaganda -- the Saudis maybe $100 B. And it looks to me like they've succeeded in corrupting both political parties in the US. And the mosque and ME Studies funding is an extremely serious problem in the West. And the madrassa-funding in Pakistan is a shocking problem. Jihad recruitment centres.

Clear articulation of our values -- immigrants SIGNING on to them and being deported at the first mention of wanting sharia law in Canada.
And when you think about how we monitor and regulate foreign investment in Canada, surely we can also monitor foreign funding of mosques which are really kinda like a political party with a highly toxic, incompatible agenda.

As you most likely know the Muslim Canadian Congress is clearly on record for separation of mosque and state and are highly critical of the Islamist agenda of other groups like the CIC.