December 30, 2007

Y2Kyoto: "Shocking" Ice Recovery

Just in time for Canada's top weather story of 2007...

Alexandre Aguiar, MetSul Weather Center, Brazil;
"In the Northern Hemisphere, the ice and snow cover have recovered to within 1% (one snowstorm) of normal with the official start of winter still more than 12 days away."

Today's image.

Posted by Kate at December 30, 2007 6:10 PM

meanwhile in real news, the global temperature remained constant for the 9th consecutive year, despite a 10ppm rise in the CO2 level.

Al Gore is confused, Dr. Fruit Fly can't explain it and the Believers know their ponzi scheme is up.

Posted by: Fred at December 30, 2007 6:32 PM

so tell me 'living in the dark without a light' how thick was it before?

Posted by: anon at December 30, 2007 6:52 PM

God bless the Dept of Mediocrity with its top 10 weather "events". Yawn... Don't like them? come back this afternoon, tomorrow, next week, next year, they'll have changed. It's what weather does, changes. Its why its called "weather". You know, climates change... Its what they do, unlike Davids... you know, Suzuki, Phillips, Miller...

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2007 6:57 PM

Interesting misnomer.."global warming" would think it was global instead of regional...then again there are so may things that have been purposefully misrepresented in this issue that I doubt technocratic science will ever be believed least by those still in possession of the faculty of critical thought.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at December 30, 2007 7:01 PM

a how thick is "let there be light"?

in my life there have been the threats of nuclear war, el nino, la nina, global cooling , Y2K, nuclear winter, ozone depletion, global warming, climate change ,explosive cat populations, depleted polar bears, rising sea levels and quickening plate tectonics , none of which have done anything but scare the hoi polloi and empty their wallets.

Posted by: cal2 at December 30, 2007 7:02 PM

One top 10 weather event missed: Saskatoon missed it's all time ever coldest August by a hair. It was wet, cold, miserable. We were on par to break the record, then one modest day ruined it all. I crave AGW.

And, the AGW drought that we are supposed be experiencing according to all the "experts" has brought prairie potholes back to 1970's levels, ducks back by the gazillions, and wet, cool weather.

Duck's unlimited was so scared of the AGW drought they put millions into wetland preservation projects during the 90's. Now, the "projects" can't be found because they are under water.

AGW: my hairy arse.

Posted by: Paul2 at December 30, 2007 7:22 PM

"aaaaand just how thick is this snow cover?"

Unnhh... duh... uh... well, from the link, according to Alexandre Aguiar, MetSul Weather Center, Brazil, "the ice and snow cover have recovered to within 1% (one snowstorm) of normal", so how thick? WITHIN 1% OF NORMAL.

Geez, those lefty trolls are thinker'n planks.

Posted by: abcd at December 30, 2007 7:48 PM

abcd; :) *chuckle*

Posted by: DaninVan at December 30, 2007 8:00 PM

But it will wipe out the red states

Posted by: Unclemeat at December 30, 2007 8:09 PM

cal2, you forgot acid rain.

Posted by: Joan Tintor at December 30, 2007 8:12 PM

sorry , I missed acid rain.but here is whats coming if we overshoot.

it will be so cold even fruitflys wont survive.

Posted by: cal2 at December 30, 2007 8:21 PM

The Canadian media finally twigged to the idea that Canadians talk about weather more than anything else. It has always been a most prolific topic of conversation.

It appears the MSM are simply trying to up their ratings by giving people what they want.

I think they want it for the same reasons that there are so many slasher and horror movies being made nowadays. People like to be scared. It is childish, but we are talking about the ever-young Boomers and their kids.

I can't wait for that generation to pass into history. Hopefully we have another generation take over like the one we had during the 20's and 30's and 40's. They were stuff that made us great. The past two or so generations have been lunching off of their great work for too long.

Posted by: John West at December 30, 2007 8:37 PM

Dr. Flying Froot would do us all a big favor by doing examining how changes in the magnetic field of the earth affect the profile of solar radiation that reaches the earth's surface - before we proceed with the systematic dismantling of our economy.

Perhaps flying private jets from conference to conference introduces perterbations in the magnetic field.

Gore has missed the home run here: magnetic flux credits. I can even suggest a currency: UN "Maxwells".

Posted by: Shaken at December 30, 2007 8:44 PM

If I hear one more twit bleat on about AGW, I think I just might lose it. I think it might be time to purge the upper levels at Environment Canada. It seems that they are the official cheerleaders for the doom and gloom crowd, and I am tired of subsidizing that crew of trough wallowing fear mongers.

Let's hope bombardion triggers an election, PMSH wins a majority, and the firings can begin.

It gives way to much credibility to the chicken littles when a government agency supports their position.


Posted by: kingstonlad at December 30, 2007 8:55 PM

Thanks Paul2 for mentioning in your post about the foul weather we had out west last June and again in August.

All this week I was thinking about what my top weather choices for 2007. They are: the winter that didn't want to end, the summer that came to an end too soon (we had frost in certain areas surrounding Edmonton August 10th), and the incredibly early fall that began more or less after that frost. My top international weather event for this year isn't really a weather event at all: the NOAA completely missed on their forecasted record hurricane season yet again.

Yeah, gimme some of that AGW because believe me the world needs to fear global cooling (like in the southern hemisphere) a lot more than the promise of a teensy weensy warmer earth.

Posted by: Schwarze Tulpe at December 30, 2007 9:02 PM

Something that has stuck with me is why Fraser fired the environment auditor? It's so quiet on that front, you would think all the environmentalists would be crying "foul", but not a whisper. So, what was she up to? Bet she was feeding them confidential documents, and got caught with her hand in the cookie/suzuki jar. Wonder why the MSM didn't pursue that story.

Posted by: Hunter at December 30, 2007 9:15 PM

The site below gives lots of interesting shots of the globe.

I have been watching the growth of ice coverage for some time now and the interesting graph is the one that shows the anomaly of current ice coverage compared to the average from 1979 to 2000. We are currently, only 845,000 square KM shy of the average. We are catching up at the rate of over 60,000 square KM. As someone wrote a few weeks ago... the north is freeszing up at the fastest rate we have ever recorded.

Posted by: truthsayer at December 30, 2007 9:17 PM

I just heard my Weather Story of 2007 on KOMO radio Seattle real early this AM (comes in better than Edmonton).

Some poor schmuck decided he would pick now to cross the Antarctic solo.

Takes about 70 days to do it, but he quit after only 29 days.

Yea, apparently he gave up trying to travel in the 6 feet of fresh SNOW which had come in only the last 12 days.

Middle of summer down there!
Hardy har har.

Posted by: rockyt at December 30, 2007 9:34 PM

I can't get the sliding door open in my barn, to much snow,well that means I have to move all this manure an extra 60 feet. I'm not whining but i was kinda hopeing for AGW,now I have to modify the barn door!

Posted by: lanarklady at December 30, 2007 9:46 PM

global ice up? say it aint so.

if it where t'other way CBCpravda would have it headlines for a month.

Posted by: cal2 at December 30, 2007 9:51 PM

I sent a note to Mr. Baird pointing out that his department failed to note this development in its alarmist propaganda piece (aka Environment Canada's 2007 top weather stories).

Then I asked if the next news release from Environment Canada would announce that the winter of 2007/2008 was the warmest on record.

Just can't wait to receive his reply.

Posted by: Mike T at December 30, 2007 9:59 PM

I know for a FACT!!! at least 3 polar bears died in the last 100 years. How do you explain THIS????? GWB that's HOW!!!!!

Posted by: ural at December 30, 2007 10:31 PM

Has Global Warming Stopped?

The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 and every year since 2001.

Even The New Statesman is losing the faith.

Posted by: GDW at December 30, 2007 10:57 PM

Where do I get onna them explosive cats that cal2 was talking about?

Posted by: KVK at December 30, 2007 11:14 PM

There has just got to be enough evidence to make even the most true beliver that the earth is flat-oops-I mean the science is settled camp take a second look.

The Climate does change. That is the joke. The Emporer has no clothes and the climate changes.

I still belive we could not change the weather even if we tried. The vastness of the global weather system is just too great.

Now.....If Gore Suzuki et al started talking pollution, water contamination(third world-Russia etc) and the loss of rain forests(again, third world countries) then maybe they would have a point.

Posted by: jeff k. at December 30, 2007 11:16 PM

How is it possible for two agencies of the federal government to constantly skirt the truth about the climate and the changes that have occurred, do occur as cyclical events and will always happen, regardless of CBC, Suzuki and all the company that makes their comfortable living on the discomfort of those that get sucked into their get rich schemes?
It is mind boggling how those that have one source of information, will be ignorant of all other available data and then will argue that they know.
Had to set a guy straight recently in the instance of the supposed AGW. He so readily accepted the argument, one wanders if he has mush for brain, and it clearly illustrates how many of those could not bother to think for themselves.

Posted by: Lev at December 30, 2007 11:17 PM

I am frustrated.

I do not believe in the Suzuki and Gore scare tactics...A few degrees of warming would actually do the planet good, more farmland, more inhabitable land, but I am a little bit frustrated at the MSM not picking up on the stuff that is publicized on this and other similar websites.

Is there any hope that reason will prevail. Unfortunately the only way I see that the media will get off this Global warming Kick is that some other world news event takes over... and it has to be major enough to distract the MSM away from the perceived Global warming crisis for a long period of time..

The Global warming crisis is the tip of Maslows heirachy of needs. Maslow presents a graphic representation of what is important in the average persons needs.

Although I hate to say this, the only thing that will get the Suzukis and Gores off the MSM is say a nuclear bomb going off in Pakistan, or another world war.

This would put Suzuki's and Gores arguments down to the lowest level of the Maslows heirarciy of needs. People will just be interested in living again.

Anyone out there got a better reason to believe that it will take a world catastrophe to get rid of the MSM from reporting this Global Warming Ho Haw.?

Posted by: RL at December 30, 2007 11:38 PM

Jeff K. Right you are; unfortunately, we must frame our environmental debate around what the meda thinks it is - which is CO2 emissions. I agree with you, it's about pollution, and the media, and so public discourse, forgets that hydrocarbon emissions include carbon dioxide yes, and carbon monoxide too, along with lots of other crap. Why doesn't anyone want to talk about this?

Instead, we get wacky ideas like sequestration of CO2 (we'll just let the harmless pollutants go then), where we trap the gas, liquify it (that is take a naturally occuring molecule and turn it into a deadly toxin), then shove it in a mineshaft, BTW, using up to 40% CO2 emissions in the process. God the utter stupidity and futility!

This can't be too complicated to understand, can it?. IMO, therein lies the problem; apparently this idea is too complicated for the media, so we don't hear it.

Then again, so is the idea that China's emission growth (especially real pollutants) equal the total outputs of four developed nations. I guess it's too deep to consider that getting Canada out of the oil business means we'll need to replace a significant contributor to our GDP, unless one believes we will burn all the oil up, even the "new" stuff; or that Stephane Dion is right and we will all get rich in the new (carbon credits) green economy.

That's the debate that needs to happen. If you insist on debating the merits of AGW theory (I happen to agree with most of you), then make sure you also mention that we should be talking about all pollution here. We should be developing the new energy technology right here, to replace the decades from now inevitability of ending use of carbon fuels. We have to tell people that Kyoto will make planet earth sicker, not better.

If we insist on junk science AGW rhetoric and wail about collectivism, no matter how valid our postion, we leave the ground open to those who would label you oil-shill deniers while extoling the virtures of carbon credit market and their climate wisdom.

If we let them, Al Gore and the gang might just bamboozle the voting public here, though I think (hope) they're smarter than that.

If you want a Stephen Harper majority government, as I do, change the subject to pollution and replacing oil, and reducing ALL emissions.

We might want to consider, and argue, the validity of that, as head into an election year.

Posted by: Shamrock at December 30, 2007 11:54 PM

RL, another worldly event that could take precedent would be First Contact being publicly acknowleged by a government on the evening news.

Posted by: Paul MacPhail at December 31, 2007 1:27 AM silly deceived peon's...that is a thermo image of earth and the white indicates hot temperatures due to global warming...also white indicated the migration route of the African swallow whereas purple is European.

Or was that white for European and purple for African...

i'm soooo confused now.

Posted by: tomax7 at December 31, 2007 1:32 AM

KVK regarding the exploding cat population..just imagine once you get your sights on one and it explodes! very bad for the environment.
My predictions for this coming years' weather on Vancouver Island, the rest of the winter will be wet, the spring will also be wet, summer we should see some sunshine, fall will be wet, winter, well it will be wet also, but at least we don't have to shovel it ;-)

Posted by: kelly at December 31, 2007 1:45 AM

I just hope the money we spend doesn't skew the market too much and we actually get some technology like biohydrogen out of it.

Although I agree that you can't take on global warming doctrine head on, the pollution angle is leading to dead ends. Just look at what California Emissions did to diesels. Biodiesel is worthwhile but corn based ethanol has all kinds of consequences with little benefit in terms of efficiency. Great farm subsidy though but biodiesel could do that too. I guess I was just lucky to get a diesel to pull my trailer just before they put those silly afterburners on them.

I think we will have a couple of years of asking why their deficient 'statistical' models didn't predict what we are going through. It is obvious even short term models used by forecasting agencies discount solar output or don't account for it correctly. Also, there is increasing evidence the weight they put on CO2 is silly. Time is our friend me thinks.

Posted by: Len at December 31, 2007 6:57 AM


From the source:

"NOTE: The timeseries graphs on this site are currently incorrect. We had a hardware problem corrupt the data and are currently recreating the timeseries from original data sources. Expect the correct data in 5-7 days. We apologize for the inconvenience."

I don't have time to investigate...

Posted by: Tenebris at December 31, 2007 9:08 AM

I'd contribute more commentary here but it's too cold in this room and I need to go upstairs to turn up the thermostat!

Posted by: Orlin at December 31, 2007 10:07 AM

And despite all this poppycock about this global warming where i live its getting very very cold at night and according to the eco-wackos it would be very very warm in december HEY AL GORE WE NEED YOU HERE IN NORTHERN CALIFINIA WE NED YOUT HOT AIR

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at December 31, 2007 10:09 AM

It's a bit warmer now. cal2 -- you should name you sploding cat = AliMo Catnip Baherasheba -- or just call him Mo for short :)

Posted by: Orlin at December 31, 2007 10:13 AM

Global warming is a farce in my (Unprofressional)opinion; it is a way for rich people to make more money off the average Joe. It does not take a professional to figure this out, especially when Al Gore and supports start talking about Carbon Credits.

Climate Change is a reality but the climate has been changing since the beginning of time, since the begining of our planet, since the beginning of mankind and we, mankind are still here today. It changes from day to day, from month to month, from year to year, from century to century.

I really do not care about global warming or climate change because 120 million years ago if the scientists were alive and had the technology they possess today to monitor the climate, they all would be complaining about global cooling. Then the rich would think of a way to make money off the average Joe because of global cooling.

The real problem mankind faces today IMO is pollution, not because it may change the climate but because if we keep on polluting the environment the way we are today, soon, the air we all breathe will be to polluted to breathe, the water we all drink will be to toxic to drink and the wildlife and vegetation we all eat will be to contaminated to eat

Get with the real program, save OUR planet, save our enviorment and go green, not because the globe if warming or the cliamte is changing but because it is the right thing to do for furture generations of mankind, for our planet.


Posted by: Jamesie Alariaq at December 31, 2007 10:47 AM

when you're king you've got to know those things.

Posted by: Doug at December 31, 2007 10:53 AM

On the acid rain that was missed in the original list above, it's worse than ever now isn't it. It comes from burning coal. I don't see why acid rain has been bumped off the top of the list of problems.

Posted by: Rick at December 31, 2007 11:32 AM


The message regarding the cryosphere data has been up for about two weeks. only in the last few days have they posted any graphs. I am wonderign if they have corrected their data but neglected to eliminate their notice. According to their figures, we are currently 1.325 million square Km of sea ice above the mean ( 1979-2000) for dec.30. While the Southern Hemisphere ice coverage is going down ( it is summer time down there) the Northern hemisphere ice coverage is going up and the anomally is also going up.
If they were a bit more honest they would take the mean from 1979 to 2006. this would bring the mean down and reduce the anomally.
From Dec. 27-28th the sea ice coverage in the Artic increased by about 108,000 sq. Km. At the rate it is going we could be ahead of the mean by the middle of January.

Posted by: truthsayer at December 31, 2007 11:35 AM

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Posted by: cal2 at December 31, 2007 11:39 AM

john west. hardship tends to develop character. the boomers and subsequent generations have had very little hardship, hense the overall lack of character. of course the drive to eliminate christanity from our world is also having an effect.

Posted by: old white guy at December 31, 2007 12:24 PM

Thanks truthsayer - I'll take the timeseries as the current consensus.

Note that the presentation as ice area (or anomaly) vs time is not strictly proper. Enthalpy vs time is the appropriate, more meaningful, presentation. This gives the heat energy stored inside the ice. You can think of enthalpy as a quantity that combines the ice mass and temperature.

Posted by: Tenebris at December 31, 2007 12:27 PM


Coal is burnt a lot cleaner vis-a-vis sulfur compounds and I haven't heard or read of anything that asserts that the acid-rain problem persists today. I would be very interested to read links that support your assertion that "'s worse than ever now ...".

Posted by: Gord Tulk at December 31, 2007 12:38 PM

...speaking of snow, I was sure glad I drove my environmentally friendly Ford F150 4x4 Lariet Triton engine with M/S tires over the Coquihalla a couple of days ago from Vancouver to Calgary.

Like to see those latte' sucking Euro-winnie driven cars make it through that mess - even the plows were getting stuck.

Posted by: tomax7 at December 31, 2007 1:35 PM

The cardinal sin of the global warming fools was to pin all their projections on a silly premise that the miniscule amount of C02 was the only driver behind the alleged global warming.

But informed people know that water vapour is numero uno is causing climate change.

"Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas, trapping thermal radiation about a hundred times more effectively than carbon dioxide."

It's quite obvious that the climate carpetbagger lawyer and the geneticist never laid eyes on any serious books about climate change, or climate anything.

This old fact is from "The Role of the Sun in Climate Change" -Hoyt and Schatten 1997.

Party on Deniers!

Posted by: rockyt at December 31, 2007 1:36 PM

aaaaand just how thick is this snow cover?

let there be light

This will tell you how thick the ice is thicker than Al Gores Skull.

everybody an expert in everything. gawd bless the internet.

Kind of like on the MSM's where Al Gore due to his being in politics and his background polluting helped him save the world via his carbon creditz companies. And a series of unadulterated lies. Gore sez polar bears are dying because the ice sheets are retreating yet the entire arctic is covered in ice just like every year.

And who is the big Canadian MSM expert on the environment? Dave "the Geneticist" Suzuki.

Want a scientist go here,
though you might need a tylenol because he is not like Al Gore who will say give him the money or squirrels will die.

Was Einstein a scientist? Did Newton take Calculus in school? Bloody non experts who let them in the world of science.

I'll trust an amateur any day they are the ones with out the bursaries lining their pockets with vested interests.

Posted by: dinosaur at December 31, 2007 3:09 PM

Another of the great environmental disasters that never happened --The Fires of Kuwait leading to "nuclear winter". When Saddam lit up the oil fields, the initial headlines blared that it would take years (decades) to put out the fires and the effects -- including a new ice age -- were imminent?? I believe the environmental damage was supposed to be permanent. If I remember correctly, I think Red Adair had the fires out in a couple of months? The IMAX movie was pretty good though.

Posted by: Old Chemist at December 31, 2007 3:40 PM

This is so sweet. Certain editors where I work are convinced human-caused global warming is indisputable fact. I love sending links like this to them and the publisher.

Posted by: djb at December 31, 2007 6:57 PM

Antarctica is getting colder and the PENGUINS and ARCTIC TERNS have voted GREENPEACE off the ice caps

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at January 1, 2008 11:36 PM