If this case has been dismissed, then as McDonald said in the NP Nov 5, Harper had better grow some balls and kick Shrieber out of Canada. Its no good going to kick Pakistan out of the commonwealth if he doesn't have the nuts to kick this idiot out of Canada
Posted by: Pissedoff at December 20, 2007 2:09 PMThanks Kate...I now have the partisan equivalent of blue balls.
I was hoping your link related to this dog and pony show finally ending and the desperate Schreiber being ousted to face his accusers in Germany.
But no,I believe he merely has to refile his personal claim against Mulroney in Quebec.
Sigh.
Posted by: teddy at December 20, 2007 2:13 PMteddy,
would you not put it past Schreiber to file this in Ontario simply because he knew it would be dismissed and have to go to Quebec.
KS is not interested in settling anything...he wants this in front of the courts as long as possible so that there is always some public doubt as to what really went on between him and mulroney.
Posted by: mecheng at December 20, 2007 2:26 PMNothing to see here folks, now off you go to Germany Karl. The Lieberals are too busy waiting for the pontification on the next Turdeau.
Posted by: Texas Canuck at December 20, 2007 2:38 PMSchreiber cannot relaunch the action in Quebec - the limitation period has passed and so he is out of luck.
I'm sure he's considering an appeal of the Ontario decision...a complete waste of time and money but what's new?
Anyone else notice the CBC's original headline of this story? It was an uncharacteristically long headline, something like "Judge turfs Schreiber's suit against ex-PM claiming it has no jurisdiction" or something like that. It's almost as if the CBC wants to emphasize the fact that it's been dismissed due to jurisdiction, as the shorter headline of "Judge turfs Schreiber suit" might lead people to conclude the turfing was based on KS's questionable character.
I'm noticing some subtle bias... almost as if they want to protect KS's credibility by emphasizing from the start (the headline) that it was a simple jurisdictional matter that caused the dismissal. Am I over-analysing? I don't know. Maybe I'm just crazy.
Nice to see folks sticking up for an ex-PM who admits to taking wads of cash from a sleazy German arms dealer.
I prefer my PMs to be squeaky clean, like Steven Harper, not the kind who stash hundreds of thousand-dollar bills in their home safe with no paperwprk and no taxes paid.
I remember the days when people would say a decision like this was really a judge tossing a case out on a "technicality". That's all this is. The judge didn't say the lawsuit was worthless. He just says it was filed in the wrong place.
"Claiming"? Did they actually use that word?
Posted by: Kate at December 20, 2007 3:01 PMNo, I unfortunately don't remember the original exact headline. Anyway, I realise my original post might sound overly-paranoid. Best not to take it too seriously. Nonetheless, it would be great if someone had the original headline cached somewhere...
Posted by: Mike514 at December 20, 2007 3:05 PMWhat would be interesting to know and what an inquiry would get to the bottom of, is to whom did Schreiber actually spread the $20 million in Airbus grease around to?
The person in charge of Air Canada 1984 to 1988 is one Pierre Jeanniot.
"He joined Air Canada in 1955 and held various positions in research and development and management of technical operations. He contributed to the development of the first comprehensive "black box." Mr. Jeanniot was appointed vice-president, computer and systems services, then vicepresident, eastern region, assuming responsibility for subsidiary and associated companies. Early 1979, Mr. Jeanniot was appointed senior vicepresident, marketing and planning, and the next year was appointed executive vice-president and chief of airline operations, responsible for the day-today planning and operation of the airline. He became chief operating officer and effective June 1, 1984, Mr. Jeanniot was appointed President of Air Canada."
Did he meet with Schreiber? If so, how many times?
Where and for what reason?
All the attention Karl HS is getting is similar to all the coverage the weather is getting lately.
It's all one big snow job.
Posted by: John West at December 20, 2007 3:08 PMJohn West, only a snow job in Eastern Canada.
KHS should have gone to the homeland long ago.
Every time I feel a spark of sympathy toward Mulroney I just say a series of words to myself .... Bombardier, Bristol Aerospace, CF-18, Quebec pork etc ...... and I remember who drove me out of the PC party and over to Reform. Mulroney is just as slimy as Schrieber.
Posted by: BCer at December 20, 2007 3:30 PMThis judgment actually has some reason and rationale behind it. Shreiber would do better making a human rights complaint, where the tribunals can simply assume they have authority and minor issues such as jurisdiction, mandate, etc. don't matter.
Posted by: Richard Ball at December 20, 2007 3:30 PMMaybe we get some more info from Wench Stevie Cameron. Still don't know why Mulroney never sued her.
As long as the chair of the committee is allowing questions far from the mandate of the Committee, it's a freaking farce. The whole thing has been made a mockery by the Liberal Opposition asking questions fed them by our very own CBC.
When it's done by Liberals it's not a problem, in the real world it's called COLLUSION and it's WRONG.
Where did Mark Bourie see someone sticking up for Mulroney in this post?
Well!! Where?
The point is the case got turfed the question is "Will this be the end of it?"
Liberalism is a mental disorder with manifestations of inability to cognate.
The original story was a posing by CP - "Judge dismisses Schreiber suit against Mulroney over jurisdictional issue"
I'm sure that in their usual diligence CBC went with that and then maybe thought to change it as an afterthought..... small potatos.
Posted by: OMMAG at December 20, 2007 4:10 PMTed: Where do you think radical Islamists would go to recruit persons to their cause? A synagogue? A church?
Posted by: Richard Ball at December 20, 2007 4:52 PMsorry - wrong story.
Posted by: Richard Ball at December 20, 2007 4:53 PMId like Mulroney to come out and admit that he took money from the liberals to make this story big.
I think these are Mulroneys words , and very true for any politician east of thunder bay,
"there's no whore like an old whore"
Given that this is the second time Mulroney has faced accusations over Airbus, etc., I have to ask: who said "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce"?
Posted by: KevinB at December 20, 2007 11:08 PMThis whole farce was a very expensive way to gain a small measure of ground in the sense that clearly this is a non-performance dispute between Mulroney and Schreiber.
Mulroney accepted funds and so must have promised to do certain things for Schreiber.
Seems nothing was done and Schreiber is miffed.
The Liberals were hoping for *CPC egg on face*. Pathetic.
The appeal if any is a civil matter, [ breach of contract], that could be heard in Quebec, but it has no bearing whatever on the people of Canada and must not be funded by us. = TG
Maybe the answer is not to elect anyone from Quebec as Prime Minister for a very long time. Are they all crooked? Is it their upbringing?
Posted by: Westerm Canadian at December 20, 2007 11:46 PMIts funny to listen to the old reformers on this site who think they accomplished something with Preston Manning. After promising to turn Stornaway into a bingo hall, he moved right in and took the driver and kitchen staff. He then went on to spend 31,000 on clothes and joined the MP pension plan he promised he'd never join.
Months after Mulroney stacks his cabinet with Albertans, cancels the National Energy Program and FIRA, anegotiates Free Trade -- all of which favored the west -- Manning proceeds to brainwash everyone that the West Wants In! And what did Preston give us? 3 consequtive liberal majorities.
As Mulroney said about Preston: "Jean Chretien goes to bed everynight saying merci beaucoup
Preston Manning."
Anyone who recieves an envelope containing a large amount of cash is doing something they shouldn't. Period, end of discussion.
Everyone knows that is how criminals conduct business. Proper business deals are conducted with invoices and cheques.
I think mulroney was an ok pm, but Jayzuz, this stories hard to buy.
Posted by: sheldon levin at December 21, 2007 2:04 AMit would be great if someone had the original headline cached somewhere
If *you* visited the page a copy is in your browser cache or temp files (unless you've dumped either or both of those recently). You never look "live" at a webpage, it's downloaded to your computer and you look at what has been downloaded.
If you Google around you'll discover how to view these files. If the site has redacted the page in question you still should have a copy on your hard drive.
Maybe someone more knowledgeable about such things could add more information.
Posted by: PiperPaul at December 21, 2007 2:58 AMJean Chretien goes to bed everynight saying merci beaucoup
Preston Manning."
Ok Brian - I tried to resist but I just could not...
Steven Harper goes to bed every night saying Thank you Stephane Dion.
There is no more political capital to be gained here. It's between the two people involved. It differs from the Liberal corruption in that they were not playing with the taxpayers loot. The holier than thou Dippers and desperate for power
Liberals are trying to smear this Conservative government when there is no link whatsoever.
The behaviour of the Chair in allowing questions off the mandate of the committee by Rodriquez is all the proof we need they're casting nets, turning it into a fishing expedition. They aren't too swift, they risk getting entangled themselves.
Using buzz words for effect, like "wads of cash" or passing money around in "brown envelopes","in hotel rooms" etc. serves to remind people of what went on in Adscam and tells us the political games being played here.
Having an inquiry would only be to serve the political agenda of the Opposition parties, costing millions to find out about a deal not involving taxpayers' dollars.
Liz J; Thanks for the words of sanity. Both CH Schriber and Mulroney testified that Mulroney did nothing for the money! Mulroney DID NOTHING: get it?
As for Preston Manning; our present Conservative Party owes it's formation to him. Without his vision Canada would still be governed by a choice between Tweedeldumb or Tweedeldumber.
A quote from an unknown source is that: "Mulroney was the best PM in the last 50 years; and that's not a statement about Mulroney".
Canadians now have a chance to prove the UN wrong: that our collective IQ is above 97.