Who was the moderator ??

Just like Suzuki and Gore ---- allow no discussion of the science.

Moderator? A minute, no. Thirty seconds,no. More like a moonbat control freak, eh Ron?

"I'm not doing hand shows today." I like that guy. ~:D

Good on, Fred, for refusing to trivialize issues and be treated like a kid in grade school.

This was a lady with an agenda, another activist journalist loser misrepresenting themselves as impartial.

Why should they get a minute? So they can dance around the issue? You either think it's an issue, or you don't...at least Fred could have answered "no" - I could respect the guy for being honest. But if the moderator let him do it his way, you'd get no answer.

What if she'd asked them about, oh, how about global terrorism, or nuclear proliferation? Do you think Fred wouldn't said, "Give me a minute to talk about the role of our allies and the intelligence networks and international financing before I give you my answer"?

'Course not. They're not comfortable with climate change, yet they're fearful of being portrayed as such - and they were caught out on live TV.

Fred impresses me and from what I can see, Ron Paul impresses a lot of other people. Fred & Ron?
Ron & Fred?

JohnnyRingo
Are you still beating your wife . Yes or No
Same BS question.

I've always thought Fred T. brought something totally missing from the 'Big Show' which the Presidential Race seems to be to Americans. That is: Common Sense. And Gravitas.

Good On Ya, Fred! You would have made a HUGE difference to today's world problems had you been born a decade earlier.

"I'm not doing hand shows today."

That is a man with balls! and that is something liberals do not like.

Fred T has the right stuff to be president of the USA.

I'd put my money on him.

Oh grow up alan, you know perfectly well that the beatings will stop when morale improves ;-)

Best move Fred has made in a long time. I'd like to see the rest of the debate but the moderator probably took her bat & ball and went home.

Next days headline...........Republican candidates do not believe in global warming

that was not a flattering pant suit the moderator had on...

Fred is just a bit too smart to be President. The IQ whiplash effect after W would kill far too many people.

I am still waiting for an actual debate rather than a multi-target Q&A. I suspect I wait in vain.

At least three hands are raised very quickly.
Appear to be Juliani, McCain, the third I cannot tell.
That little clip says a whole lot.

The Question;

"Do you believe global climate change is a serious threat and caused by human activity ?

The moderator asked the question in a 'yes' or 'no' fashion.

The short answer is, no and no.

But, as Patrick Moore says, most scientific topics are not always a matter of 'black' or 'white' --- more like shades of 'gray'.

But a reasonable debate on ALL the parameters just does not suit an alarmist ---- would not promote fear-mongering, ya see. Like AIT does.

Warming, she asks ? a half degree ? Three ? 10 ?
Warmed before -- cooled before too. LOTS !
Serious threat ? To who ? Butt freezing Canucks ?
To Polar Bears ? Freezing their Butts also.
In the past, worldwide tropical paradise -- nice!
A threat ? When ? Tomorrow ? Hundred years ?
Threat ? You would prefer a mile of ice on you ?
Ever heard of feed back mechanisms ?
Earth's av temp is 15C, space is MINUS 270 !!
Thank-you greenhouse effect. YEAH ! & feedback.
270 BELOW !! Now THAT is a threat.
Is CO2 a threat ? A poison ? No and no.
An essential gas for life ? Bet your life on it !
Threat to Mars also ? Jupiter ? Solar System ?
SOLAR !!?? There's the answer. Sol is boss.

Blame Man's activity, eh ? On Mars too ?
Stop unneccessary driving ? Agreed.
Forget room temperature ? You first, Gore.
Double CO2 > 2X Temp ? Not even close.
100 yr models wrong -- already! in first 10 yrs.
CO2 conc effect ---- called diminishing returns.
Does man stack-up against a volcano's breath ?
Urban Heat Island effect -- THAT is the MMGW.
Because Hansen puts his bulbs on asphalt. Dumb.

She was lucky Fred Thompson asked for only a minute !! Even a day would not have been enough.

* Fred-O-Mania * slays a jurno !!

How was that for a totalitarian control freak?

Anyone who would answer a question like that with a yes or no answer isn't fit to lead a nation.

A turning point ? In a couple of ways -- the campaign AND media conduct.

[THE WINNER was Fred Thompson. Fred came to play. He also had the obvious moment of the day when he took on the officious moderator, refusing to go along with one of those idiotic "raise your hands" questions. Given the hour that the debate took place, a lot of people will probably see only a highlight package of the debate. The unquestioned highlight was Fred slapping down the moderator. Even putting that aside, Fred had his best day of the campaign. He was serious, thoughtful, and authoritative. It was a wonderful day for him.] Dean Barnet, The Daily Standard.

Well, at least Canada is the best of the worst .

“Ye shall know them by their fruits.”. ‘Global warming’ has truly become a prime example of a faith without works, of rhetoric without reality.

Between 1997 and 2004 (the most recent year for which we have complete statistics), carbon dioxide emissions rose as follows:

Emissions worldwide increased 18.0%;
Emissions from countries that ratified the protocol increased 21.1%;
Emissions from non-ratifiers of the protocol increased 10.0%;
Emissions from the U.S. (a non-ratifier) increased 6.6%;
Emissions from the U.S. increased less than 75% of ratifying countries.

With respect to the last point, the following are the percentage rises in emissions for a list of selected countries which have ratified the protocol (or which were exempted from targets):

Maldives, 252%;
China, 55%;
Luxembourg, 43%;
Iran, 39%;
Norway, 24%;
Russia, 16%;
Italy, 16%;
Finland, 15%;
Mexico, 11%;
Japan, 11%;
Canada, 8.8%.

[From 'Global Warming Politics ]

Here's all Fred's answers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auw-USWwHRs

...still looking for a clip of the whole thing...

Lord Moncton who was part of IPCC said the whole process that IPCC used was heavily flawed.

Good for Fred. FRED SAID RIGHT.

What Next! Ask the Pope for his opinion!

Paula, all of the Republican debates so far are available here:
http://researchris.blogspot.com/2007/05/democrat-republican-debates-for-2008.html
and the Democrat debates are here:
http://researchris.blogspot.com/2007/06/dem-pres-debates.html

Thanks Ed! :)

Yeah I Fred too, as us good republicans know, nothing makes one more qualified for state or federal leadership than being an actor. lol.

^ that should read "i like Fred too"

'IQ whiplash' Jay? Really? Show of hands - how many people here truly believe GWB is stupid or even below average intelligence?

Question for all who raised their hands (or raised and then quickly lowered them), "Have you ever heard Mark Steyn speak?" If someone stutters or bastardizes words and the occasional aphorism, that doesn't make them stupid. I have yet to hear Mark without him stuttering; I have also yet to read anything from either Mark or GWB which comes across as stupid.

Just really, REALLY tired of hearing that worn-out leftist bunk.

Yeah I Fred too, as us good republicans know, nothing makes one more qualified for state or federal leadership than being an actor. lol.

"i like Fred too"
poor steve attemting to play the stereotypical redneck republican supporter, Fred's an actor so he must be the ideal republican candidate!
Never mind that poor dumb Fred was the first member of his family to go to college and was admitted to the bar in 1967. Never mind that he was a successful prosecuting attorney,also Special Counsel to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (1980–1981), Special Counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee (1982), and Member of the Appellate Court Nominating Commission for the State of Tennessee (1985–1987)..

(I never knew this!)
In 1977, Thompson represented Marie Ragghianti, a former Tennessee Parole Board chair, who had been fired for refusing to release felons after they had bribed aides to Democratic Governor Ray Blanton in order to obtain clemency. With Thompson's assistance, Ragghianti filed a wrongful termination suit against Blanton's office. During the trial, Thompson helped to expose the cash-for-clemency scheme that eventually led to Blanton's removal from the Governor's office. In July 1978, a jury awarded Ragghianti $38,000 in back pay and ordered her reinstatement.
No, this pales in significance when we realize,(thank-you steve for your brilliant insight)that Fred can also act.

Don't be a zit, Steve. Mr. Thompson was first a Watergate prosecution lawyer, then a state Senator for two terms, and only then an actor. And, you may recall, Mr. Regan also put in some time as an actor, and then governor, before becomming president. Mr. Schwartzegger also did some acting, in addition to other things, and while I agree with some of his administration's policies, and not others, I fail to see how that should prohibit actors with other relevant experience from running for office.

Whether or not you like Mr. Regan's legacy and its relationship to acting is independent of the gratuitous slur of Mr. Thompson you perpetated by labelling him as simply an actor; the truth remains that a period of time acting is (fortunately) not a barrier to running for president, much as you may or may not, Steve, want to promulgate your litmus tests for presidential candidacy according to your agenda. Indeed, there are some anthropomorphic relationships between leader and actor, just ask Sun Tzu.

Sorry to link dump, but
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=501316&in_page_id=1811&ito=1490
"The Pope condemns the climate change prophets of doom"

"Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.
The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering."

now children, all those who have to pee raise your hands. what a smug ass hole that woman is.

If Thompson kept that free-wheeling extemporanious style, he'd win. What is it? Has his "advisors" told him not to speak freely 'case he makes a slip?

The Pope condemns the climate change prophets of doom. I wonder how "the Goracle", Dr. Fruit Fly and Stepon Deeyawn will respond to this, especially with Stepon being an RC? I doubt that the North American MSM will give much coverage to the Pope's message, they being the biggest promoters of the climate change gloom and doom cult.

Teve, he was a Senator before he was an actor.

Does that qualify him :")

"How was that for a totalitarian control freak?"

No, that would involve directing other people how to behave. Rather, he made his stance known and was brave enough to act on it.
These obvious differences are apparently too subtle for some, but even lefties can figure them out with help.

Griff,

Good article on the Pope. This guy has guts. I get killed when I say that AGW is way overblown.

AbClipper: "I wonder how "the Goracle", Dr. Fruit Fly and Stepon Deeyawn will respond to this, especially with Stepon being an RC?"

It'll be cause for a tirade against the RC Church, the favourite whipping boy of the socialist, new-age, green activist, lefties and their acolytes in the MSM. The Goreacle is some kind of Baptist, Sukooki worships trees in a "chapel" in the woods, where he's his own priest, and Borat Dion? I doubt if he's a Catholic, except in name only.

I don't know of any devout Catholics in the Librano camp: John Turner and Pierre Trudeau liberalized the abortion law, assuring Canadians that it would not mean a dramatic increase in abortions--and look where that got us: 11,000 abortions/year in 1969 to the present rate of @111,000 a year.

Jean Cretien and Paul Martin weren't any better: supporters of radical feminist and pro-gay policies, all the better to wreck families with. Look at the legacy they've left Canadians: an unstable and volatile social landscape, with children more at risk and neglected than they've ever been.

And now there's Dion: A Catholic? Maybe culturally. But I doubt very much that he pays much attention to what the Pope or his local priest says.

The so-called Roman Catholic Liberal Leaders have abdicated, big time, their responsibilities as Catholics to uphold the sanctitiy of human life from conception to natural death, and have trashed the cornerstone of our society, the nuclear mom/dad/kids family, an institution encouraged and supported by the RC Church.

The only other abdication has been the Canadian Catholic Bishops who refuse to excommunicate these apostate Catholics.

Watch for Benedict XVI to be ridiculed and reviled for "daring" to comment on the climate change issue: What does he know, anyway? Who is the RC Church and its leader to meddle in the affairs of the "rest" of the world, especially when they're hopelessly "backwards" when it comes to abortion, condoms, and AIDS?

It's a wonder the RC Church is still standing and, further, thriving--another "proof" of Divine aid and sustenance.

But, Dion's probably having none of it.

Liberal and Roman Catholic don't actually go together.

D'accord, batb!

Bless Thompson and the Pope for cutting through the crap. As Jesus said, (in today's NT reading), "Whoever has ears ought to hear."

Amen.

BATB...good points. Now I'm going to watch the RC community here in my Lib(Italian and Franco RC's) dominant riding scratch their heads and say 'huh'?

Pope Benedict is brave.

My god this climate doom cult thing only seems to live in the minds of MSM dinosaurs....the rest of the scientific community has moved past the hysteria and is now trying to decide if there really is a problem.

The problem is, she did allow a discussion but excluded Fred from participating. The participants were Guiliani, McCain and Huckabee all of whom had their hands up. Typical of agenda driven journalists, only allow those who share your point of view to participate and speak. That is the new definition of free speech.

We need more Freds to bring some common sense to debate and keep the Moderators off agenda.

It used to be abortion, now it's climate change.

When I hear people say George Bush is a moron I always ask them if they would consider someone who has an MBA from Harvard an idiot. The truth is morons don't get MBAs from Harvard, and morons generally do not become President of the United States or Prime Minister of Canada.

As much as I disagreed with the politics of Bill Clinton, Paul Martin or Jean Chretien, there is little denying they are relatively brilliant people. The same applies to George Bush. Disagree with his political perspectives all you want, but to say he's an idiot is demonstrable ignorance.

As for the US nomination race: Ron Paul most closely represents conservative viewpoints.

The 'control freak' obviously applies to the moderator, sometimes a person has to spell things out.

Dean Spencer, the "totalitarian control freak" comment was about the moderator, not about one of the candidates.

Man -- I just had a flashback to 3rd grade. My hair is standing on edge !

What Next! Ask the Pope for his opinion! Posted by: Go Canucks

Interview with the Pope.
Now Mr. Pope, raise your right hand to answer yes and your left hand to answer no - got it - any questions -- Ok, here we go...

Nuclear non-proliferation, yes or no?
Remember, your right hand to answer yes and your left hand to answer no.

Next question, Life begins at conception....

Next question...

ccon wrote "Good article on the Pope. This guy has guts. I get killed when I say that AGW is way overblown". I have had many discussions with people who belive in Global warming/climate change. Not one of them has killed me.They try but I have more than enough "inconvienient truths" to bury them. At the end of our discussions I tell them to google CO2 and infrared absorption.

There are so many points that contradict their Kyoto position but the one that stops them cold is the question of why satellites aren't detecting any of the energy that CO2 absorbs escaping into space? Of course they are always surprised to learn that water vapour contributes 90-95% of the greenhouse warming.

The subject question by the moderator may have seemed obviously biased in the way a response was required, but it was not the most grievous aspect of that debate.

The moderator and the sponsoring Des Moines Register know that the Republican voters of Iowa are very interested in how the Republican candidates lean on the questions of the Iraq war and illegal immigration. So what does the moderator do at opening? Announce that those issues are off the table for any discussion during the debate. It had already been decided that Iowa Republican voters were going to get to listen to a debate about those issues that the Democratic voters are more interested in. Disgraceful!

I always get a laugh from conservatives who discount Ron Paul as a viable candidate (although he raises the most money from grass roots networking and has incredible momentum in several key states) yet they think Thompson ( an actor with an ego and some friends who have pull in the GOP machinery) IS viable. Thompson is a vanity canidate....Rudi is the establishment annointed son and that is how it will be...the rest is fluff.

In this election the single most important issue for conservatives, populists, libertarians, Republicans and GOP apparatchiks to focus on is how to beat Hillary....promote the candidate most likely to beat Hillary by taking the soft middle ground voter from her....there is no Dem candidate who can do this as the numbers show.

Ron Paul polls well with moderates of both parties and is that only candidate that can take soft middle vote from Hillary... and he has a head start and momentum...but all he gets is media black outs on his successes, open hostility from the GOPbots and still his numbers climb.

Now you may not like to hear what Keys said but there is a good deal of truth to it...for many in the GOP and Dem apparatus, maintaining status quo power stability is more important that political ideology or party politics or constitutional republicanism...a controllable, dependent establishment insider candidate MUST win...regardless of stripe.

This is why we see corporate welfare whores and parasitic commie capitalists like Murdoc pimping Hillary... and Bush camp advisors communicating with her and aiding her on the ME issues....at the same time GOP slams their only viable candidate to beat her...so what's up?

As an observer of US politics for 3 decades, I can say this presidential run is the most twisted morass of loyalties and backroom deals and alliances I have witnessed.

If I had to put it in a single hypothesis, I'd say that the beltway status quo or ruling clique or establishment, if you will, has become a color blind non partisan power base that runs essentially the same economic feudalism/social Darwinist policies under any president that comes from the same culture/clique...outsiders are not welcome...Hillary, Rudy, McCain have all sold their ass into this establishment..they are the insiders...Huckabee, Obama and Ron Paul are not insiders...they get establishment media hostility.

Washington status quo power cliques are planning something big and it can't be good for most people or the republic,because both party apparatus have been coopted into this ruling establishment agenda and it really makes no difference which party is in power this agenda will go ahead against the better good or will of the people...as it has for the past 30 years.

Part of that agenda is to continue pissing away trillions in the ME to expand/maintain the US economy....drop the partisan optics and start following the money trail...CUI BONO (who benefits)...when you can honestly answer that you will know who is the puppet masters for all the (selected)leading Candidates.

BTW: a little clairvoyance for doubters...I predict Rudy G will win the GOP race and will come out with Texas governor Rick Perry as a running mate...when it happens we'll revisit this and I'll tell you why I was so sure...and it doesn't take a crystal ball.

Rudy and Nick Perry sounds reasonable. I predict after the dust settles the Dems construct a Hillary/Obama ticket. Obama doesn't have the gravitas to be first on the ticket. The Hildabeast is very measured in going after him so as not to destroy him completely. He'll be useful to her in the future.

Face it, past Hillary/Obama the Dems have no one to forge a ticket with. Too bad for them that Hillary, no matter how she postures herself, always comes across as a shrill feminist hag. She has all of the warmth of a reptile.

Why can't Thompson answer a yes or no question?

It's really quite simple - you either think Climate Change is a serious threat or you don't. You either think Climate Change is caused by humans or you don't?

Asstards like the Republicans know that they're screwed either way, so it's easier not to answer at all.

Obama is going to blow the Republican nominees out of the water. Look at his polling numbers - he is tied with Hillary and when it comes down to it people in Iowa will be swayed to Obama because he is inspirational.

Are y'all scared yet? Do you think Harper will survive with all of his "so-called GHG's" talk when big brother south of the border is a reasonable "liberal" instead of an idealogue?

I sense desperation in conservatives both south ofthe border and up here. Polling indicates that 2/3rds or Canadians believe Screiber over Mulroney - and that cannot look good for you folks.

Hope you enjoyed your time in the sun, however brief it has been.

Penny: Obama is not an insider....he is not controllable and he scares a lot of establishment Dems ...won't happen...but guess again using the formula of pairing establishment certified candidates on a north south balanced ticket...Hillary-Edwards??

That way you have 2 NY politicians running with VP candidates from Texas against Corolina.

The interesting part of Perry being "anointed" by the establishment elite (aside from his obvious meteoric rise in the public eye after his recent power base alignments) is that I believe he has been positioned as a possible 2012 GOP Presidential candidate as well if a miracle happens and Rudi wins he's there...if Rudi loses, he will be the star GOP candidate in 2012....a lot of his popularity with the establishment elite has to do with the transnational capital project he has been the local Texas point man on...Rudi is hooked into this project as a NY/RNC facilitator as well and Hillary's financial backers are invested in this project.

It's obvious the planners and investors in this transnational capital project have 2 or more horses in the race on both tickets....now that is what I call failsafe capital investment planning ;-)

On the same show Fred attached teachers' union as the worst enemy of American education. This man never stops to amaze me, I am dreaming of him becoming America's next president.

Throbbin;

It is obvious you believe you represent the majority of people in the US and Canada with respect to global warming.

That's unfortunate. Even a little education would be an improvement.

Aaron:
"Fred attached teachers' union as the worst enemy of American education. This man never stops to amaze me,"

>>Fred's intemperate outburst about US education unions/cartels was ill timed and poorly articulated....but to a large degree true.

History is proving to be unkind to the "progressive" pedagogs who unthinkingly jumped on the social Darwinist systems installed by Dewy and other deconstructionist pedagogs in the 50s-70s.

The unquestioning adherence to these unproven radical pedagogic orthodoxies is proving to be the primary cause of America's dumbing down...a dumbed down electorate are incapable of keeping a participatory democratic republic healthy...and it shows.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/index.htm

I could care less that Fred Thompson is an actor. My point in my sarcasm was to point out that while many on right are quick to attack hollywood and its connections with liberals in America (with some degree of merit admitedly), Republicans seem to be the only ones willing to actually elect actors to office.

Redneck - look at polling anytime in the last...2 years? No?

Wonder why Harper now recognizes Climate Change as a threat? (Are you still sore over that, btw?)

I'm not sure what you mean about educating myself. Care to elaborate?

The world is not flat, as much as you wish it were.

PM Harper, Fred Thompson, Patrick Moore, thousands of scientists and most others have ALWAYS recognized, known, realized, that the climate is changing. It ALWAYS HAS !! Even before self appointed "saviours" of the world, Al Gore, Suzuki & other nut cases arrived on the scene.

What PMSH and Fred Thompson, and others ALSO recognize, know, realize, is that we should NOT give Billion$$ to the United Nations so that our jobs and livelihoods can be moved to China, India, ect. (to make more lead toys)

The Earth's climate will do whatever it pleases. It WILL even put Canada under a mile of ice --- AGAIN. Has happened before, will happen again.

PMSH and Fred Thompson want to make our lives healthy and comfortable while protecting the environment with REAL pollution controls.

They do not want to join the Kyoto Kult. Got a problem with that ??

Pollution

talking about "Climate Change" is like talking about "Water Wet"

Throbbin, Harper understands something that seems to have escaped you entirely - the problem is pollution, in the developing world. Get it?

As for AGW/Kyoto, are you defending developed world getting another free ride, in fact, being subsidized to pollute, in spite of Bali's objective of moving Kyoto into more compliance, with developing world coming on board?

Kyoto will not mitigate climate change in any way. How could it when China will, in the future, outstrip, significantly, any cuts Kyoto compliance would bring.

Don't you understand that pollution and CO2 emissions are part of the same problem. Using climate change is cover for nailing the developed world (it's your fault, you started it) while giving carte blance to China, India to pollute their a**s off, indeed, with carbon credits from us. There's your climate saboteurs.

That's why Harper/USA not in favour. Gore is a big laugh, considering USA refused to ratify Kyoto on his watch.

No, Throbbin, you're the one that doesn't get it. You need to start thinking within realm of reality, insteady of your fantasy laced nonsense.

Its too bad Fred didn't have a little more booze and call her sugar t*ts.

Any guesses on just how long Al Gore is going to be tolerated with his trotting his fat arse around the US and the world with his Apocalyptic sermons?

It could be imagination on my part but his eyes are looking wilder every time he pontificates. He has the look of one possessed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=501316&in_page_id=1811&ito=1490 ..... the pope agrees

climate is changing. It ALWAYS HAS !! Even before self appointed "saviours" of the world, Al Gore, Suzuki & other nut cases arrived on the scene.

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