My comments on, and the complete text of, Pope Benedict's
most excellect 2008 Peace Message, are now available here:
sagaciousiconoclast.blogspot.com/2007/12/pope-benedicts-2008-peace-message.html
Posted by: Vitruvius at December 12, 2007 12:08 AMMERRY CHRISTMAS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxXa_9EDWY0&feature=related
Posted by: Gunney99 at December 12, 2007 12:38 AMCandidate Fred Thompson seems to be taking a stand on major issues. Might they be winners !!??
There are a sries of audios --- trying to find links.
Fred Thompson;
[Some people think that our planet is suffering from a fever. Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. It seems scientists have noticed recently that quite a few planets in our solar system seem to be heating up a bit, including Pluto.
NASA says the Martian South Pole’s “ice cap” has been shrinking for three summers in a row. Maybe Mars got its fever from earth. If so, I guess Jupiter’s caught the same cold, because it’s warming up too, like Pluto.
This has led some people, not necessarily scientists, to wonder if Mars and Jupiter, non signatories to the Kyoto Treaty, are actually inhabited by alien SUV-driving industrialists who run their air-conditioning at 60 degrees and refuse to recycle.
Silly, I know, but I wonder what all those planets, dwarf planets and moons in our SOLAR system have in common. Hmmmm. SOLAR system. Hmmmm. Solar? I wonder. Nah, I guess we shouldn’t even be talking about this. The science is absolutely decided. There’s a consensus.
Ask Galileo.]
Fred Thompson MMGW audio found here
Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 12, 2007 1:05 AMCandidate Fred Thompson audio on war protestors here
Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 12, 2007 1:23 AMMore great advances in socialized medicine:
-breast cancer survivors advised to use walk-in clinics for access to a doctor
-government dictates where doctors are allowed to practice
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=415d7142-11ab-42d8-9b9f-889b138319b0&k=75294
Posted by: sf at December 12, 2007 1:33 AMAh, Al and David --- ya hear that voice from above ?
[The Pope condemns the climate change prophets] Daily Mail
[Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.
The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering.]
The Pontiff has called the alarmists' bluff
Nothing more than scare-mongering? The word scare does not appear in Pope Benedict's message. Perhaps it would be better to rely on the original content of the Pope's message -- which I have included at tinyurl.com/2oeu9u -- rather than the Daily Mail's spin [1].
[1] www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQyi7lEoAL8
Posted by: Vitruvius at December 12, 2007 1:55 AMAnybody up for creating a counter-petition?
"There's still a few days left to save our country, and the climate."
Posted by: Doogie at December 12, 2007 2:22 AMThere's still a few days left to save the climate? Well obviously. If
we do nothing before Saturday, surely there will be no more climate:
it will be lost, not saved.
Don King (boxing promoter) on CNN Rick Sanchez: GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH!
Don King, world famous boxing promoter, went to Iraq, came back, and was on Rick Sanchez show tonight on CNN and could not STOP thanking God for President Bush and said the troops want America to know they want to finish what we started in Iraq.
Poor old Bush hater Rick Sanchez was beside himself trying to cut King off. King kept interjecting "God Bless President Bush" and "God showed President Bush a miracle with General Petreaus".
It was great. To think I never cared much for Don King. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938196/posts
Re sf's "More great advances in socialized medicine":
A friend of mine in Toronto recently walked into a "walk-in" clinic and was told that he had to make an appointment.
Posted by: 'been around the block at December 12, 2007 7:27 AMJudge calls wearing poppy inappropriate
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/284752
"According to a court transcript obtained by The Record of Waterloo Region, Ontario Court Justice Margaret Woolcott issued the warning to Const. Dan Haines on Oct. 31 when he appeared as a witness at an assault trial.
"However much you may think that's a totally acceptable symbol, and that is totally neutral, that might not be entirely the case for everybody who comes to court," Woolcott told the Waterloo regional police officer."
It is amazing that an Ontario judge cannot see that her fat ass would not be sitting on the bench if the men whom we honour each year with the wearing of the poppy hadn't prevailed.
Idiot.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at December 12, 2007 8:08 AMNo HDS/BDS by MSM?
...-
Red-hot economy, young labour force make Calgary Canada's most attractive city
By THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA - A new study says Calgary's red-hot economy has made it the most attractive city in Canada.
Toronto and Vancouver follow in second and third place, according to the Conference Board of Canada's first-ever ranking of cities with a population of more than 100,000.
It's based on such factors as the economy, health, society, housing, environment, innovation and education. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/3ydlsb
I couldn't find any comment about the murder on the Canadian Islamic Congress website. Here's what the Muslim Canadian Congress has to say:
If convicted, Aqsa’s father and brother must be awarded the strictest penalty available under the law. As for the imams and clergy of Canada’s mosques, who constantly berate young women for not wearing the hijab or snub them for “violating Islam,” they need to reflect on the consequences of their sermons.
Consider, as an example, the Montreal mosque that recently posted on its Web site a warning to the effect that if young girls took off their hijab, they could end up getting raped and having “illegitimate children.” Other proferred risks included “Stresses, insecurity and suspicion in the minds of husbands” and “instigating young people to deviate towards the path of lust.”
As if the threat of rape and the fear of illegitimate children were not enough, these pre-teen girls were told that if they took off their hijab, they would cease to be Muslims: “By removing your hijab, you have destroyed your faith. Islam means submission to Allah in all our actions.” Little wonder then, that Canadian girls walk away from sports tournaments rather than remove their hijabs.
Also available through the National Post: The deadly face of Muslim extremism.
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 12, 2007 9:40 AM"Judge calls wearing poppy inappropriate"
Another mad house judgement from Onterrible courts....is there some employment equity program there that favors mental patients staffing the judicial branch?
Most of the stuff I hear pontificated as judicial wisdom from the Ontario bench lately is more like a product of mental disease.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at December 12, 2007 9:44 AMRight-wing media covering up political scandal, Frances Russell
Apparently it's Conrad Black's fault that there's not enough coverage of Mulroney-Schreiber!
I won't link to this idiot's column, but I must say that National News Watch is realy beginning to annoy me with their content.
In the top left corner is celebrity news, and down the left are links to columns by some of the biggest morons in Canadian journalism, including this Francis Russel and Adam Radwansky.
Shove the crap to the bottom of the page so I don't have to see, would ya National News Watch?
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at December 12, 2007 9:48 AMThis may be of some interest.
Skeptical Scientists Urge World To ‘Have the Courage to Do Nothing' At UN Conference.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c
thanks for posting the Pope's 2008 message, vitruvius. Like his Regensburg lecture, this one is quite remarkable.
What I get out of it are two things. One, is that focus on the basic family and its fundamental role in the nature of the human species. This importance, by the way, is always rejected by socialism - including the Liberal/NDP efforts towards govt universal daycare - which ignores families and reduces individuals to 'bits' in The Mass.
His argument against socialism, and the disappearance of both the family and the individual, was expressed in his caution against 'expensive bureaucracies' and against govt power, unfettered by law.
His focus on the primary role and responsibility of the family is excellent. But, the other, the key factor in his speech, I thought, was his description of a universal Moral Norm.
This universal Moral Norm fits in well with his Regensburg focus on the nature of Reason in matter, on Reason as a universal principle of organization. His Moral Norm is the ground for Juridic Norms. That is, juridic norms, which are created by man, must be grounded in this universal moral norm. The moral norm "is grounded in nature itself" (which is based on Reason).
"The moral norm must be the fule for decisions of conscience and the guide for all human behaviour"..'juridic norms exist for reatlions between the nations which make up the human family...but most go back to the natural moral norm as the basis for the juridic norms"..
This is a "common moral law..over and above cultural differences".
This is a clear rejection of the isolationism of multiculturalism, a focus on basic human commonality, an insistence that there IS such a thing as common moral norms that take precedence to the relativism of juridic norms.
Excellent.
[And by the way, this argument also rejects the equation of the Latimer case with yesterday's 'Honour Killing Islamic case'; and rejects any simplistic notion that 'the law is the law and Latimer broke the law'. Juridic law must be grounded in moral norms, and these are 'grounded in nature itself'.
As usual with this pope, a remarkable view. Thanks for posting it.
Posted by: ET at December 12, 2007 10:09 AMLast year a judge was offended by a Christmas Tree & ordered it removed.
Now the Poppy, WTF! is going on.
The Poppy is a sign of Rememberance to those who have served its country, Many of those giving the Ultimate Sacrifice & Many of those Not Being Told to Go Fight for their Country.
It is Time that a judicial review of these righteous judges that are using their own personal beliefs & Holier then Thou attitudes to dictate when & where time honoured traditions should be carried out.
Time to ELECT our Judges.
Disgracefull Pompous A******
M. Zuhdi Jasser has an article in Middle East Quarterly called "Exposing the Flying Imams," but it has a good bit more in it, discussing the struggle for the soul of American Islam, and a strategy for the long haul against Islamofascism.
Posted by: Douglas at December 12, 2007 10:20 AMSee Toronto Sun Dec 12 - re death of TO 16 year old girl. Honor - and Horror - of the Head Scarf.
I'm nauseated/sickened/angry to the point I can't even write anything else at this point.
Posted by: calgary clipper at December 12, 2007 10:27 AM
ET:
Glad you brought this up. I'm beginning to warm up to this Pope...if for nothing more than his fervent stance against secular socialist statism ( the new transnational communism).
He makes it abundantly clear that in dogmatic socialist statism, the state claims your family...it indoctrinates the child early in the dogmatic values of amoral statism and it rejects any claim to parental or church intervention in the instilling of values in the child.
Secular statist socialism is an evil soul sucking enterprise that puts its political tenticles into every aspect of human existance...including the family, the church and personal faiths/belief.
There is no statist socialist (the new communism-light) regime which has a healthy diversity of churches or faiths that operate independent of the state....they do the same thing with the family...they lay claim to raising the kids as the state sees fit..with or without parental presense or intervention.
This is as it must be in an secular socialist state.....where the "state" does not wish to compete with supernatural deities and share the unquestioning obedience/loyalty of the people with any church.
Godless societies act in a godless manner...I am not Catholic or religious by I agree with the Pope on this point.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at December 12, 2007 10:36 AMJohn Pacheco at Socon or Bust has an online petition calling for the abolition of Human Rights Commissions.
Sign it! Blog it! Pass it on! If you want them abolished, you have to make your voice heard.
Posted by: SUZANNE at December 12, 2007 10:42 AMThe perverted religion of socialism, personified by Taliban Jack Layton-NDP and Citoyen Dion-Liberal, et al, is allied with the Muslim Taliban.
Here is the natural end result of their alliance/perversion.
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On Taliban Turf, Long Lines of Ailing Children
NY Times ^ | December 12, 2007 | C. J. CHIVERS
KARAWADDIN, Afghanistan — The Afghan boy crouched near a wall in this remote village, where the Taliban’s strength has prevented the government from providing services. His eyes were coated by an opaque yellow sheath.
Sgt. Nick Graham, an American Army medic, approached. The villagers crowded around. They said the boy’s name was Hayatullah. He was 10 years old and developed the eye disease six years ago. “Can you help him?” a man asked.
Sergeant Graham examined the boy. He was blind. There was nothing the medic could do.
A second man appeared, pushing a wheelbarrow that held a hunched child with purplish lips and twisted feet, problems associated with severe congenital heart disease. Sergeant Graham listened to his heart. Without surgery, he said, this stunted boy would probably die.
A third man turned the corner from an alley, leading a girl, Baratbibi, by the arm. She was 7 years old. She turned her ruined eyes toward the afternoon sun without blinking. They were more heavily coated than Hayatullah’s. Sergeant Graham sighed.
“We could use an entire hospital here,” he said.
Throughout early December a company of paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division patrolled the Nawa District of Ghazni Province, an isolated region near Pakistan where the Taliban operate with confidence and the Afghan government’s presence is almost nonexistent.
Each patrol was a foray into villages regarded as Taliban sanctuaries. Each began with tension and the possibility of violence. But the Taliban did not confront the heavily armed paratroopers, and within...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938266/posts
WLMR - yes, this is a remarkable pope. Really, A Wise Man.
Very Aristotelian, actually, and against the utopianism of Plato. I suppose that's an irrelevant argument to the speech, but, Platonism with its engineered totalitarian utopianism has been readily taken up by the socialists, with their state-engineered totalitarian utopianism.
Benedict rejects this; his focus is on universal natural Reason and natural Moral Principles. ie, that Reason and Morality operate within Nature. Fantastic.
I'm an atheist; I'm not into supernatural or metaphysical agencies (as is Plato)but this grounded, embedded, natural Reason and Morality - I'm strongly in favour of. Human juridic law is subject to this natural Reason and Morality.
And, Benedict reminds us that the spatiotemporal location of these actions, are within the family. This rejects the socialist focus on the Group, which they promote within their multiculturalism of Identity Politics. Socialists reject the family. They view everyone as cogs in a category. So, there's no such thing as individuals in the socialist nation. Individuals are 'bits' within the basic category in the socialist nation, which is the Group.
That's a basic fault in our Charter. It slips over the fundamental freedoms of the individual (freedom of speech etc) and moves rapidly into its real agenda. The Group, Our Charter privileges Identity Groups. The most important Identity Group is defined by language, and most of the Charter is taken up with bilingualism, ie, French language rights. The Charter defines the rest of the population, after this first category, within multicultural defintions of ethnic and religious Origins. These are privileged over and above any individual rights. It's a socialist document.
Benedict's focus is on the Individual-Within-a Basic, Natural Set. The family and its relations. The state is defined as existing to assist and support this basic nurturing Set. The individual operates both as an individual and within a set of natural relations. Not group relations. Not the cultural dictums of an ethnic, linguistic or religious group. And these relations are defined as natural moral rules.
He's against the socialist state. Against the totalitarianism of group juridic rules (ethnic cultural totalitarian rules). Focuses human reality within a natural small Set, the family - and the State's duty is to protect and enable this small Set.
Remarkable.
Posted by: ET at December 12, 2007 11:03 AMThe funniest gore image I have seen.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5637/gorejesusbuddypf6.jpg
Posted by: LynnH at December 12, 2007 11:04 AMThe trap of Muslim takkiya: the bait words are "Moderate Muslims"; the infidel swallows the baited hook; hooked.
Takkiya: double-talk, dissimulation, lying, etc., is a device used to defend the Islamic religion/death cult. A credulous infidel swallows the hook; hooked as a dhimmi.
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Joanne’s Journey | Moderate Muslim voices speak out
Right beside the National Post’s politically-correct editorial is a candid op-ed by Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan - The deadly face of Muslim Extremism.
Fatah and Hassan are members of the Muslim Canadian Congress, and have received death threats in the past for expressing their views. [...]
Commenter said:
This should be treated like any other domestic violence case, neither highlighting religion nor softening the sentence on its behalf.
Comment by Cynapse | December 12, 2007
http://jacksnewswatch.com/2007/12/12/daily-blogger-wednesday-december-12th-2007/#comments
Lynn: that is really funny!
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5637/gorejesusbuddypf6.jpg
Posted by: SUZANNE at December 12, 2007 11:15 AMAnother female judge just doesn't get it, this time in Oz.
Judge Sarah Bradley gives no jail time to 10 men who pleaded guilty to raping a 10 yrs old girl.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/asiapacific/news/article_1380009.php/Anger_after_gang_rapists_freed_in_Australia
Why do people think that parlaiment will be better split 50/50 if these are the types of feminazis we keep getting in public life.
Posted by: Pissedoff at December 12, 2007 11:27 AMMore Syrian jiggery-pokery, no doubt.
Senior Lebanese army officer tagged for next chief of staff among 5 dead in explosion outside presidential palace early Wednesday
The huge explosion outside the presidential palace in the Christian village of Baabde east of Beirut left at least five dead and dozens injured, and was powerful enough to topple buildings and smash many vehicles. The targeted officer was Lebanese army operations chief Brig Gen. Francois al-Hajj, named to succeed as chief of staff after Gen. Michel Suleiman is elected president. A Mercedes rigged as a car bomb detonated as the Brig al-Hajjs’ vehicle passed by....
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 12, 2007 11:32 AMCBCpravda All Slamming , All the time.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/12/12/isotope-reax.html
because dizzy May will never get a seat ,CBCpravda is her defacto mouthpiece
ET said:
"He's against the socialist state. Against the totalitarianism of group juridic rules (ethnic cultural totalitarian rules). Focuses human reality within a natural small Set, the family - and the State's duty is to protect and enable this small Set."
Well he realizes that in a free just and moral society the individual must be the common political unit and the family the building block of the just society....the state exists only to protect both.
With his strong anti-statist tyranny, anti theocratic tyranny stance how long before the imperialist UN commies or the Mullahs take a shot at him?
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at December 12, 2007 11:54 AMA 1904 Rolls Royce for only £3.5 million? A mere bagatelle.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/audio_video/times_online_tv/?channel=Driving&clipid=1152_timesonline0329
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 12, 2007 12:15 PMThe Pope is correct in his trashing of the Kyoto Kult but I find "Hot Air" has an interesting take on why the Vatican's sudden distaste of 'the greens'.
From Hot Air
[Pretty basic, actually, but let’s not kill a sweet narrative — especially one that sees fit to snicker, “senior cardinals close to the Vatican have since expressed doubts about a movement which has been likened by critics to be just as dogmatic in its assumptions as any religion.” Your exit question: What’s motivating this? Is the Pope really a righteous skeptic? Or, per what the Mail has to say about his warning not to privilege the lives of animals over humans, is he trying to head off the green fundies at the pass ?]
"as dogmatic in its assumptions as any religion. "
NO KIDDING !!
Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 12, 2007 12:24 PMInteresting artical on china. "they are pooper than we thought".
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071212.wreynolds12/BNStory/robColumnsBlogs/?cid=al_gam_nletter_maropen
Who knew!. Merle Underwood.
Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 12, 2007 1:03 PMA Green site to amuse? It has bird count, Olga may spawn, lots of buts, and this whopper from "history:
"Still, so much ice melted that the fabled Northwest passage opened for the first time in history, and the melting broke a record, set just two years ago and by a country mile, that at the time was seen as unprecedented and worrying."
More: "Arctic isn't only pole melting fast"; Arctic moving toward tipping point; and, strange storms, etc. Order solar panels, too. And, ecopedia. Lots more. Worth not visiting.
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Arctic Sea Ice Re-Freezing at Record Pace
[but]
After Record Summer Melt, Recovery Still Lags (daily green)
In order to induce vomiting, read
Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 12, 2007 1:58 PMIn his NP article Dion says "The science is indisputable"...like hell! Words from the mouth of a sheep!
Posted by: Al W at December 12, 2007 2:14 PMRon, yes vomit inducing article from Dion giving his reasons why we need to lead at Bali:
"We all want large emitters, developed or developing, to sign on. That said, rich countries such as Canada must set the example."
Actually, that's not a reason, just a restatement of his opinion that we should lead. Nowhere does he explain how Canadian compliance (aka shut down our economy pretty much) will induce China, India and USA to come on board. Utter nonsense.
Yes, Canada, at 2% of worlwide emissions (egad, look at our per capita though) should lead by example, no doubt by sending carbon credits to China et al, so they will develop clean technology!
Dion is undermining the Govenment of Canada by showing up in the first place, regardless of how he feels about the subject. If sabotage is taking place, he is the one responsible.
Add this to it: Dion has yet to explain how we can comply with Kyoto, how we will benefit economically or otherwise, and how massive costs and transfer of wealth to developing countries will induce those nations to sign on to cutting emissions.
Canada can develop "green" technologies just fine, right here, and sell/share/provide them to developing world. Dion wants us to turn a blind eye to massive increases in emssions (and therefore temperatures?) in developing world and disastrous pollution, as if the atmosphere warms earth differently with developed emissions than developing emissions.
This man is a joke and now an international embarassment. He belongs to the loony left whose real agenda is to de-industrialize the developed world, but shifting production to the developing.
That will be good for the environment, right?
UN chief downplays carbon reduction targets at Bali
CTV.ca News Staff
[...]
Citoyen Dion is a Liberal takkiya-ist. Before going to Bali, and still in Canada, Citoyen said he would not be talking publicly while in Bali. He continues to castigate the Government of Canada from a foreign country. Socialist Dion is a traitor to Canada.
Here is da proof .... "Liberal Leader Stephane Dion told Newsnet from Bali".
More from the saboteur, the leader of the Dis-Loyal Liberal Opposition, aka Citoyen Dion. BTW, who can decipher what he said?
"Liberal Leader Stephane Dion told Newsnet from Bali that most delegations in Bali reject Canada's stance as "not helpful at all."
Canada isn't trying to convince other countries to do more. Instead, it's saying, "Well, because the others are not doing enough, (we) won't accept any targets," he said." ...-
http://tinyurl.com/ysmhmj
How little we actually know.....
http://www.livescience.com/environment/050505_earth_bright.html
Hard to believe the science is indisputable when they can't even agree on how reflective the planet is...but of course that only matters during the day time right....
Posted by: jcl at December 12, 2007 3:11 PMTurkey, the beacon light of Islamic tolerance, moderation and secularity?
Right.
"Fenerbahce To Ask Uefa For Three Points From Inter MatchA Turkish lawyer has filed a complaint to Uefa after Inter wore a shirt with an offensive symbol, at least to Islamic culture, in their recent match against Fenerbahce.
A Turkish lawyer who's an expert on European law, Baris Kaska, is asking Uefa to cancel the three points Inter earned in their win against Fenerbahce in the recent Champions League match.
The Nerazzurri had beaten the Turkish champions 3-0 at home to qualify for the next round of the Champions League.
The reason for the appeal is unusual: the celebratory shirt for Inter's centenary worn by the team that night, and on several other occasions this season, offended many people in Turkey.
The shirt's scheme saw a big red cross on a white background, which is considered offensive in Islamic culture."
Posted by: irwin daisy at December 12, 2007 3:22 PMDion: The science is indisputable
I don't expect Dion to understand the science, but as the leader of the opposition he has a responsibility to refrain from being so dishonest, especially on the world stage.
Posted by: johndoe124 at December 12, 2007 3:30 PMBwaa hahaha
Right-wing media covering up political scandal
http://tinyurl.com/ys5k4j
Posted by: al at December 12, 2007 3:37 PMFather in Canada murders daughter because she did not wear correct religious clothes.
CTV Newsnet's take ?
A 'family dispute'. Motive unknown.
Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 12, 2007 3:40 PM"The potty mouths" are excited, says Jack's Newswatch. Barf/profanity alert!.
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The Pope Sucks
Pope Benedict XVI has decided to stick his little Nazi head directly up Al Gore’s peaceful [...]
Sample comment: (c/p not working).
Warning: The moonbats are out in the daylight?...-
http://wonkette.com/politics/global-warming/the-pope-sucks-332983.php
Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2007 3:42 PM
Meanwhile, in Ottawa the Liberal-NDP asses keep on braying at their Buttcrack Gong Show. The audience has booed, jeered, and walked out. It's over with; it's a bust; dead; bammed, without a whimper.
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Testify, Schreiber lawyer challenges Mulroney
Brian Mulroney should put his first-hand account of his dealings with Karlheinz Schreiber before a court and stop attacking the German-Canadian businessman’s claims with old newspaper clippings and court transcripts, one of Schreiber’s lawyers said today. (msm)
Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2007 3:52 PMHere's what I don't get: even if we accept AGW verbatim, even if we accept the Gorelies about its effects, where is the plan - one that clearly defines the problem, the range of solutions, all clearly evaluated within context of decreasing CO2 emissions and pollution WORLDWIDE - not feel good declarations or value judgements about who caused the "problem" in the first place.
Has anyone actually costed this thing, and pointed to a clear benefit (ie-temperature change stopped or reversed) resulting from concrete action?
I'm still waiting. Until this plan is presented, Canada would be idiots to sign up. Chretien originally signed us up for Kyoto, with cuts far greater than other nations. In fact, Europe took advantage of conversions to natural gas to ensure they were in compliance. Isn't future "warming" the issue here? Who cares about the past and who is or is not in the wrong? For instance, if China outstrips what Kyoto could ever achieve, how are we avoiding climate catastrophe.
So you see, it isn't just the AGW deniers who have a big problem with the Kyoto prescription.
Posted by: Shamrock at December 12, 2007 4:01 PMFox News has an article by three scientists, who state that the IPCC models don't correlate with actual data. The original article is in the International Journal of Climatology, under the title "A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions" by. D. Douglass, J. Christy, B. Pearson and S.F. Singer.
On another line, within the same topic, there is grave misunderstanding between the terms of 'pollution' and 'CO2 emissions'. Reviewing some of the comments on the G&M blog on Bali, it is obvious that many people mistake pollution for evidence of AGW, and have swallowed the whole IPCC line - declaring an apocalyptic future due to The Sins Of Man. They ignore facts; such as natural climate change, such as the fact that all the planets in our solar system are warming - and reject scientific dissent.
Hey Kate, should I be concerned, or just drive down to Fargo and whistle while it burns?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&xml=/money/2007/12/11/cnusa111.xml
Posted by: Arthur A at December 12, 2007 4:49 PMHim's name is Taliban Jack. He spins in concentric circles while grinning; his bald head explodes, too. Go to ass't Loan for your Jack.
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NDP enlists elf to give parents tips on avoiding toxic toys
OTTAWA - There's nothing like a little Santa star power to get a message across to parents that they should be on the lookout for toxic toys this time of year. ...- http://tinyurl.com/3cxsp9
Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2007 5:02 PMThere goes borat dion with settled science...
then the pope with basic common sense
Beautiful
Posted by: orvict at December 12, 2007 5:41 PMOK, which one would you trust.Gore,Suzuki, Borat Dion...., The Pope.
He must have been paid off by "BIG OIL".
Posted by: orvict at December 12, 2007 5:46 PMWow, maz2, w.r.t. the link you gave at
http://wonkette.com/politics/global-warming/the-pope-sucks-332983.php
The frothing at the mouth and total hatred on that site are pretty ridiculous. Godwin's Law was invoked in the post itself, and then again (and again and again) starting at the 3rd comment.
The Bertrand Russell of Islam
Review of: Defending the West: A Critique of Edward Said's Orientalism
By MICHAEL WEISS
December 12, 2007
As of last April, the late Edward Said's "Orientalism," originally published in 1978, was no. 2 on the best-seller list in Cairo. No. 1was a book arguing that Saddam Hussein hadn't really been executed — all cell phone video evidence to the contrary, the writer argued, was a fabrication of the CIA. [...]
"'Orientalism,'" Mr. Warraq writes, "taught an entire generation of Arabs the art of self-pity … encouraged the Islamic fundamentalist generation of the 1980s, and bludgeoned into silence any criticism of Islam." Though it's Mr. Warraq's plaint that the book "stopped dead the research of eminent Islamologists who felt their findings might offend Muslims' sensibilities," ...-
http://www.nysun.com/article/67922
Ron Kelowna, near top...1:37am
Easy for you and the Pope to blast Al Groan and David f-fly and the prophets/profits of warm.
The Vatican is heavily invested in ExxonMobile, Chevron, 3M and Dupont.
They better get re-invested in Sudbury nickel and Lithium.
Just kidding Ron. You are correct, as usual. = TG
Posted by: TG at December 12, 2007 8:06 PMAM 640 Toronto, Home of the Leafs
Dick Smyth compares president Bush to Hitler
http://www.640toronto.com/station/commentary_main_page.cfm?rem=93653&jor=93653#video
Adolph Hitler lived in a confused dream world in the last year of his reign. So does George Bush in the last year of his.
Bush has been beating the drums for a war against Iran - just as Hitler did against Poland - on the flimsy excuse that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
Fortunately in Bush's America as in Hitler's Germany there are some people of conscience and character willing to risk their careers and oppose the Fuhrer.
And so U.S. intelligence has stated flatly- contradicting the president - that Iran abandoned its nuclear program in 2003 and poses no threat whatsoever to world peace.
Bush, like Hitler, living in a dangerous psychotic never-never land, is undeterred. He still wants to attack.
Bush, like Hitler, is commander of a massive military machine.
Bush, like Hitler, wields immense power.
Bush, like Hitler, is surrounded by acolytes, toadies, and flunkies.
Hitler committed suicide. Unfortunately Bush is unlikely to do the world a similar favour.
I'm Dick Smyth.
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And I'm Matt, and I have it captured in MP3.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at December 12, 2007 8:07 PMEggNog, delicious right? Yes but..
The stuff is so damn sweet these days it*s enough to leave you *sweet gagged*.
To enjoy today*s kid-sweet eggnog, add half a mug of 1% milk to half a cup of nog. Give it 1.5 minutes in the microwave and it*s delicious. Almost like eggnog used to be. = TG
Posted by: TG at December 12, 2007 8:12 PM
this headline used to say Green Party SLAMS
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/12/12/isotope-reax.html
slams, blasts, barfs, whatever CBCpravda is the mouthpiece for the left. no neutral on their gearshift.
Posted by: cal2 at December 12, 2007 8:41 PMIslam's takkiya in practice. MSM colludes with the Lies of Islam.
Islam is a perverted death cult.
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Globe | Aqsa’s slaying and the clash between religion and culture
TORONTO — As he does almost every Friday, Sheik Yusuf Badat will use the noon prayer sermon tomorrow to further his message that Islam is a religion of peace and harmony. ...-
Posted by: maz2 at December 13, 2007 7:23 AMImams can keep repeating "Islam is a religion of peace and harmony" but it's falling on deaf ears, no evidence the "flock" are getting the message.
It's the religion that has spawned hatred and terrorism and the reason we are fighting a war.
The Imams had better change their rants and start sending a message on evolving to come into the 21st century if they have any hope of adapting and being accepted among the civilized democracies of the world.
The covert abuse of women within segments of the Islamic "cult'ure" cannot be dealt with, our Freedoms allow it and our laws are of no help to them until it is too late. Thus is the case of the Mississauga teen.
Religion that calls for extreme subservience of women is not a fit in our civilized, modern societies. We should not tolerate it. A place to start would be to ban religious clothing just as we are forced to cover up in some Islamic states.
Chances of that happening are at this time are nil.
Islamic Extremist Convention 2007
By Joe Kaufman
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, December 13, 2007
Starting December 21st, Rosemont, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago, will play host to two organizations tied to the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), the inspiration for so many of the world’s worst terror groups. The organizations, the Muslim American Society (MAS) and the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), have an extremist history of their own. Soon Chicago, December 2007, will become a part of that history, as the Hyatt Regency O’Hare packs in thousands of Muslims that refuse to speak out against those that use their religion as a means to commit violence.
Most people in America are unaware of the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is not just an overseas group – that it’s here in America, as well. Indeed the group has had a presence in the United States starting in the 1950s. MAS was established in 1992, because MB leaders thought that previously created American MB groups were becoming too assimilated into Western society. ICNA was founded in 1971 as an embodiment of MB Pakistan or Jamaat-e-Islami (JI).
Both MAS and ICNA use the internet to spread violent forms of bigotry. MAS is currently propagating material via the internet calling for the murder of Jews and the waging of war against non-Muslims, while ICNA runs a website, Why Islam (WI), where WI leaders and members target Jews and discuss the merits of Hamas and Hezbollah.
Also, both MAS and ICNA have had individuals involved in their organizations that are serving prison sentences after having been charged with terrorist activity. Randall Todd “Ismail” Royer, the former Communications Director for MAS, was convicted of conspiring with Laskar-e-Taiba (LeT), an Al-Qaeda related group, to attack Americans and Indians overseas. And four members of the ICNA-related ‘Houston Taliban’ were charged with jihad training with firearms for the purpose of joining the Taliban to, as well, attack Americans overseas; so far, three of the four have been found guilty.
Furthermore, ICNA has been involved in terror financing. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938840/posts
There you have it: Aqsa Pervez's death had NOTHING to do with the hijab she declined to wear.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164938
The whitewash continues.
Posted by: mark peters at December 13, 2007 8:45 AMTwo (2) Muslims charged; two Muslims in orange jumpsuits.
Here is the Muslim takkiya: "But the girl 's brother, Mohammad Shan Parvez, told reporters yesterday that what happened "is not [about] culture." [...]
More Muslim takkiya: "The death of Aqsa "was the result of domestic violence, a problem that cuts across Canadian society and is blind to color or creed," echoed Shahina Siddiqui, president of the Islamic Social Services Association."
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Culture not behind girl's death: brother
Muslim father remains in jail
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"Investigators later charged her father, a taxicab driver from Pakistan, with murder. Her brother, 26-year-old Waqas Parvez, is accused of obstructing police, allegedly at the family home on Monday. He will make a court appearance tomorrow." ...-
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=164938