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December 8, 2007

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Posted by Kate at December 8, 2007 12:01 AM
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News Flash!!!

Moonbats exploit tragedy!
Blame Dubya!

Well, maybe it's not really news, but it is especially odious:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1053.htm

Posted by: imethisguy at December 7, 2007 11:56 PM

Dishonest political tampering with the science on global warming
- December 05, 2007

Christopher Monckton, Denpasar, Bali

As a contributor to the IPCC's 2007 report, I share the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore. Yet I and many of my peers in the British House of Lords - through our hereditary element the most independent-minded of lawmakers - profoundly disagree on fundamental scientific grounds with both the IPCC and my co-laureate's alarmist movie An Inconvenient Truth, which won this year's Oscar for Best Sci-Fi Comedy Horror.

Two detailed investigations by Committees of the House confirm that the IPCC has deliberately, persistently and prodigiously exaggerated not only the effect of greenhouse gases on temperature but also the environmental consequences of warmer weather.

read it all at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20071205.!15

Posted by: Lorraine at December 8, 2007 12:10 AM

Here is the final paragraph of Christopher Monckton's address to the Bali Climate Conference:

My fellow-participants, there is no climate crisis. The correct policy response to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing. Take courage! Do nothing, and save the world's poor from yet another careless, UN-driven slaughter.

The writer is an international business consultant specializing in the investigation of scientific frauds. He is a former adviser to UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher and is presenter of the 90-minute climate movie Apocalypse? NO! He can be reached at monckton@mail.com

Posted by: Lorraine at December 8, 2007 12:13 AM

Ignore the K slime..

I like *Adbusters* Magazine.. they cut to the quick...quickly..

http://adbusters.org/the_magazine/75/Changing_Climate.html

Not long before they spell.. Exxon Mobile eh?

Careful.. more addictive than Time could ever hope to be. = TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 1:06 AM

Another G&M poll about to crash:

In Canada as a whole, multiculturalism is:

0 a failed policy of the past (currently 86%)

0 an indispensable part of our future (currently 14%)

Have your say ;-)

Posted by: Neil at December 8, 2007 1:18 AM

I heard on the news that Jacques Hebert has kicked the bucket. Being as it was a CBC feed, they made a big deal of it.


Wasn't he Trudeau's travelling companion on his famous propaganda absorption trip in Red China?

Posted by: gordinkneehill at December 8, 2007 2:01 AM

An American Hero earns $145,000 daily and works in Irving Texas.

adbusters.org/the_magazine/66/An_American_Hero.html

Oh, is that where the New Brunswick Irving Oil name comes from? Just guessing. = TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 2:06 AM

This, from Suzuki's blog;

November 29, 2007 The David Suzuki Foundation is sending three official observers to the United Nations' climate change conference in Bali, Indonesia.

Dale Marshall
Climate change policy analyst
David Suzuki Foundation
Bali cell phone: +62-81-338-989-713
dmarshall@davidsuzuki.org

Mark Lutes
Climate change and energy policy analyst
David Suzuki Foundation
Bali cell phone: +62-81-338-969-671
mlutes@davidsuzuki.org

Sarah Marchildon
Communications specialist
David Suzuki Foundation
Bali cell phone: +62-81-338-989-047
smarchildon@davidsuzuki.org

Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 8, 2007 2:14 AM

Good link Lorraine !!

The UK's Monckton told it like it is.

Gore's ears must be burning. But what can he do about it ? Debate ?? Argue ? Counter with more lies ?

Suzuki has also been running from Tim Ball for the past decade. Pathetic.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 8, 2007 2:34 AM

In the early 1990's some environmentalists took to calling British Columbia the **Brazil of the North**.

This was meant in a derogatory fashion to compare forest practices in BC with the destruction of the rainforest in Brazil.
[. . . . ],
Anyway, here is the report I wrote for the Forest Alliance upon our return. The main message is, don't believe what you hear through the media about other countries, go there and see for yourself!

There is no basis for the slogan **Brazil of the North**. It is an undeserved insult to both B.C. and Brazil and does nothing to promote understanding or advancement in sustainable use of the land in either country.

Brazil is addressing land use issues and sustainable forestry in a proactive and progressive manner. Legislation and policy are in place to improve restoration and protection of native forests.

Forestry practices in Brazil and British Columbia are very different. There are a number of general areas where B.C. and Brazil can learn from each other such as biodiversity protection and land use planning.

There should be far greater exchange of information and expertise between B.C. and Brazil. Both regions have extensive native forests and a common interest in sustainable forestry and trade issues involving forest products.

Brazil is not a major exporter of tropical hardwoods as it accounts for only 1.4% of international trade in tropical timber. The fact that the Amazon forest is far larger than any other tropical forest makes their relative trade position even smaller. Canada accounted for 17.3% of all trade in forest products in 1991, according to FAO documents

One of the main differences between forestry in Brazil and in B.C. is that in Brazil the solid wood products industry and the pulp and paper industry are completely separate. In B.C. the pulp and paper industry is based on the waste from the timber industry. In Brazil the timber industry is based on native tropical hardwoods while the pulp and paper industry is dependent on plantations of exotic pines and eucalyptus. The pulp plantations are grown on land that was already cleared for agriculture.

Plantation forestry is a proven technology in the south of Brazil and on the Atlantic coast. In the Amazon, plantation forestry is in a newer stage at Jari, 450 kilometres northwest of the mouth of the Amazon River. But it appears eucalyptus will be a success at Jari thus opening up the possibility of more plantations in the Amazon region.

Another major difference between B.C. and Brazil is that there are no publicly owned commercial forest lands in Brazil. Essentially all lands except parks are privately owned. Forest land owners must file a land use plan and receive government permission to implement it. There is more state control over private land use in Brazil than in B.C. In B.C. there is total control over public land.

greenspirit.com/key_issues.cfm?msid=52
========================================

A sudden refined fuels shortage would bring BC to it*s collective knees. Not so, Brazil, who are 80% dependant upon native production Ethanol and Methanol fuels.

Like us, Brazil has warts, yet the management seems sharp. Ex-pat WWII German enclave input?= TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 2:51 AM

this one speaks for itself

http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20071205.!15

Posted by: JAS at December 8, 2007 4:02 AM

When planning to engage a more powerful, smarter power it is always useful to politically arrange that 3 of 4 of his limbs be tied behind his back before the final event.

-Sun Tzu

Posted by: PiperPaul at December 8, 2007 6:52 AM

Cowardice, aka political correctness of the MSM is fully displayed in this report.
Muslims = "Youths", "teenagers".
...-

Youths who torched woman on French bus jailed (five teenagers jailed for up to nine years)
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 12/7/07 | AFP
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936517/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 7:14 AM

the sweet irony: http://www.sgeustaffstrike.ca/

Posted by: MrPaulDecker at December 8, 2007 7:29 AM

This week Stephane Dion headed north to the Yukon to talk about Global Warming. In his address to an audience in Whitehorse we can finally see what he will be up to in Bali.

From the Liberal.ca website:
"The world has come together in Bali to try to prevent environmental disaster. But this government stands in the way,” he said.

This government is undermining years of work by the international community to take real action against global warming. This Prime Minister has turned Canada from leader to laggard to saboteur. He must reverse his position in Bali.”

"Ultimately, all the countries of the world will need to set significant binding targets for reductions. But only if the richer, developed countries set the example will developing countries follow. I want Canada to lead the rest of the world, not hold it back.

That’s the message I will bring with me to Bali when I go there in a few days. And that’s what I would work towards as prime minister,” he said."

Posted by: muttsrus at December 8, 2007 7:32 AM

A coup/bonanza for Mr. Fruitfly? Is Big Bobby Clobber in on the deal/traction/fraud?
...-

NHLers to help Suzuki ice global warming

"players are taking the lead by buying carbon credits to offset the environmental impact of their extensive travel during season play." [...]

""To have ... all these great heroes to Canadian kids taking a stand on one of the most important issues of our time is wonderful," Suzuki told reporters at a downtown hotel last night. "I can assure you, the traction you're going to get from this stand is far beyond anything environmentalists like I can get."" ...-
(TO Red Star)

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 7:39 AM

Re: the G&M poll about multicult, as of 7:45 am the poll now stands at 76% con and 24% pro. It'll likely switch to the other side before the poll closes...let's watch.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 8, 2007 7:48 AM

Three Muslim Taliban murderers poofed by their own hands. Taliban Jack Layton-NDP is not amused.
...-

Taliban Militants Mistakenly Blow Themselves Up
FNC ^ | Friday, December 07, 2007 | AP

KABUL, Afghanistan — Three Taliban militants were killed on Friday when a roadside bomb they were planting exploded prematurely, as Afghan and foreign troops launched an operation to retake a neighboring Afghan town controlled by Taliban militants, officials said. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936581/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 8:48 AM

Eeyore: at 8:48, the Probe and Fail's poll is still at 76%: multicululturalism is a failed policy of the past vs. 24%: it's an indespensible part of our future.

Just the fact that the G&M is asking this question seems to be a step in the right direction. I can't see this issue even being on the table a couple of years ago.

Poco a poco, centimeter by centimetre. Perhaps there's still room for hope...

...and with Citoyen De-yawn really going off the deep end with his comments vis a vis the Bali Conference and his pathetic "here I come to save the day" delusions of grandeur, we COULD be seeing the dissolution of the Librano juggernaut.

Being a praying person, my prayer is "Please, God..."

Posted by: 'been around the block at December 8, 2007 8:55 AM

Now that you are already tired of The Little Drummer Boy, don't forget the Canadian carol The Huron Carol. Don't know if it is politically correct or not, but it is beautiful (written by Jean de Brébeuf a Jesuit Missonary in 1643). Bruce Cockburn had a version and of course Tom Jackson had his charity Christmas tour with that name:

English Lyrics
'Twas in the moon of wintertime when all the birds had fled

That mighty Gitchi Manitou sent angel choirs instead;

Before their light the stars grew dim and wondering hunters heard the hymn,

Jesus your King is born, Jesus is born, in excelsis gloria.
Within a lodge of broken bark the tender babe was found;
A ragged robe of rabbit skin enwrapped his beauty round
But as the hunter braves drew nigh the angel song rang loud and high
Jesus your King is born, Jesus is born, in excelsis gloria.
The earliest moon of wintertime is not so round and fair
As was the ring of glory on the helpless infant there.
The chiefs from far before him knelt with gifts of fox and beaver pelt.
Jesus your King is born, Jesus is born, in excelsis gloria.
O children of the forest free, O sons of Manitou
The holy Child of earth and heav'n is born today for you.
Come kneel before the radiant boy who brings you beauty, peace and joy.
Jesus your King is born, Jesus is born, in excelsis gloria.

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at December 8, 2007 9:12 AM

'Beautiful carol.

I can't see why it would be politically incorrect to remind Canadians of a Canadian-written carol in the Season of Advent.

Unless, of course, the politically correct thought police are patrolling in the vicinity.

'Might be offensive to certain immigrants to our country or certain agnostic/atheist pooh-bahs in our ruling classes.

Well, bah-humbug.

Posted by: 'been around the block at December 8, 2007 9:21 AM

I was thinking more that aboriginals would object because it was written by a Jesuit missionary who was trying to convert them.

Also I think that the word for God Gitchi Manitou was the Iroquois name for God, not the Huron name, or something like that.

I don't hear this song much anymore which is a shame. It would be great in a Christmas pageant at school, if such things exist any more.

There is a Jamaican Christmas song I have heard from time to time which I find very catchy, something about Jesus being born in a manger - help me out here!

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at December 8, 2007 9:30 AM

Once again, righteous environmentalists show the way. Will the self-sacrifice never end. Nobel prize nominations please.

"The Suzuki Foundation calculates that NHL players generate an average of about 10 tonnes of carbon emissions every year flying to games, staying in hotels and driving to and from arenas. At a cost of $29 per tonne, players will pay $290 each to offset their emissions."

Posted by: gored at December 8, 2007 9:32 AM

they admit that mandatory carbon reductions are a burden to an economy. so hit the good economies.


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071208/bali_cda_071208/20071208?hub=TopStories

Posted by: cal2 at December 8, 2007 9:54 AM

moonbeams for moonbats?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22112482/

Posted by: cal2 at December 8, 2007 9:57 AM

Nicola - probably the one you are thinking of is "Mary's Boy Child". I like it too.
"Long time ago in Bethlehem,
So the Holy Bible says.
Mary's Boy Child, Jesus Christ,
Was born on Christmas day."

Hark now hear........

Posted by: a different Bob at December 8, 2007 10:04 AM

Mary's boy child
Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day
and man will live for evermore because of Christmas Day
long time ago in Bethlehem so the Holy Bible said
Mary's Boy Child
Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day.
Hark now hear the angels sing
a King was born today
and man will live for evermore because of Christmas Day
Mary's Boy Child
Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day.

While shepherds watched their flocks
by night they see a bright new shinig star
they hear a choir sing a song

the music seemed to come from afar.

Hark now hear the angels sing
a King was born today
and man will live for evermore because of Christmas Day
hm hm
...

For a moment the world was aglow
all the bells rang out
there were tears of joy and laughter
people shouted let ev'ryone know
there is hope for all to find peace.

How Joseph and his wife Mary came to Bethlehem that night
they found no place to bear her child not a single room was in sight
and then they found a little nook in a stable all forlorn
and in a manger cold and dark Mary's little boy was born
Hark now hear the angels sing
a King was born today
and man will live for evermore because of Christmas Day
Mary's Boy Child
Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day.

For a moment the world was aglow
...

Oh my Lord
you send your son to save us
oh my Lord
your very self you gave us
oh my Lord
that sin may not enslave us
and love may reign once more.

Oh my Lord
when in the crib they found him
oh my lord
a golden halo crowned him
oh my Lord
they gathered all around him
to see him and adore.

Oh my Lord
with the child's adoration
oh my Lord
there came great jubilation
oh my Lord
and full of admiration
they realized what they had (until the sun falls from the sky)

Oh my Lord (well praise the Lord)
they had just begun to doubt you
oh my Lord (he is the truth forever)
what did they know about you.

Oh my Lord (so praise the Lord)
but they were lost without you
they needed you so bad (his light is shinig on us)

Oh my Lord (oh my Lord so praise the Lord)
with the child's adoration
Lord (oh my Lord
he is a persontion).
There came great jubilation
oh my Lord (so praise the Lord)
and full of admiration
they realized what they had (until the sun falls from the sky)
e just can't go wrong.

You've got the right combination for me

Posted by: cal2 at December 8, 2007 10:10 AM

another global warming,but not climate change phenomenon


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034

Posted by: cal2 at December 8, 2007 10:13 AM

Textbooks used to include the account of Jean de Brébeuf being tortured, killed and cannabalized by the Iroquois. Probably no longer the case.

Posted by: ol hoss at December 8, 2007 10:16 AM

1) OTTAWA - Joe Clark was assaulted on a downtown Montreal street last month by a man who asked if he was the past prime minister before punching him in the face and leaving him with a bloody nose.
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=2c9fe04e-b005-4f48-a50f-e2711240877a&k=90975

That poor man!

I hope his hand is okay.

2) really right wing dude

One of the reasons my web site doesn't have comments.

3)did my bit at G&M poll was still at 74% correct

Posted by: Paul A. at December 8, 2007 10:21 AM

À propos of my previous, positive, Christmas post about carols, I have found the lyrics of a Jamaican carol which is called "Mary Had a Baby". Of course it has more impact with young children singing it and the fast tempo music!

Mary had a baby (My Lord)
Mary had a baby (Oh My Lord)
Mary had a baby (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Where did she lay him (My Lord)
Where did she lay him (Oh My Lord)
Where did she lay him (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Laid him in a manger (My Lord)
Laid him in a manger (Oh My Lord)
Laid him in a manger (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

What did she name him? (My Lord)
What did she name him? (Oh My Lord)
What did she name him? (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Named him King Jesus (My Lord)
Named him King Jesus (Oh My Lord)
Named him King Jesus (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Who heard the singing? (My Lord)
Who heard the singing? (Oh My Lord)
Who heard the singing? (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Shepherds heard the singing (My Lord)
Shepherds heard the singing (Oh My Lord)
Shepherds heard the singing (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Star keeps shining (My Lord)
Star keeps shining (Oh My Lord)
Star keeps shining (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Moving in the elements (My Lord)
Moving in the elements (Oh My Lord)
Moving in the elements (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Jesus went to Egypt (My Lord)
Jesus went to Egypt (Oh My Lord)
Jesus went to Egypt (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Traveled on a donkey (My Lord)
Traveled on a donkey (Oh My Lord)
Traveled on a donkey (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

Angels went around him (My Lord)
Angels went around him (Oh My Lord)
Angels went around him (My Lord)
The people keep coming but the train has gone

(Bruce Cockburn has a version of this)

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at December 8, 2007 10:21 AM

Nicola, 'wasn't even thinking of "the offense" that The Huron Carol might bring to Native Canadians.

As far as I know, I haven't heard that they resent it.

And, let's face it. Had the shoe been on the other foot, had the Natives set foot on the land of the Jeuits--which they hadn't, of course, because they had invented canoes not ocean-going sailing ships--would they have adapted THEIR ways to the Jesuit ways?

I doubt it.

There's this double standard that Explorer Christians should have adapted to the Native ways, rather than "impose" their ways upon the Natives, even though when warring tribes took over another tribe's territory the usual practice was to murder, scalp, rape, and pillage the "conquered" people. Winner take all.

It can hardly be said that the Jesuits murdered, scalped, raped, or pillaged the Native communities they lived in. They lived with the Native people to whom they brought Christianity, they worked with them, and helped them, and it's far from universally true that Aboriginal Peoples are unhappy to be Christians.

Ask some of them. Except for activist Natives, and the Godless MSM and academia, many thousands of Native Canadians go to church, love Jesus Christ, and do not resent the Christianizing of North America.

In fact, it's an irony, that many Native Christians are more orthodox and more upset about our Godless society than those Christians whose ancestors brought the Christian religion to Canada.

Posted by: 'been around the block at December 8, 2007 10:25 AM

Toronto Sun Reports: Dangerous Perv in Toronto,
"High risk to Re-Offend Child Predator sent to Halfway House"

Christopher Goodwin 26, moved to the Keele Centre Yesterday after completing a 2 1/2 yr. lock-up in kingston for the shocking assualt on a 6yr old girl in a Scarbough Mall in 2003.

This sick B*****d tried to rape a 6yr old girl in front of men & women shopping in a mall, If it had not been for the intervention of shoppers this sicko would have succeeded.
What the F*** is wrong with this picture, What is it going to take for these lefty opposition members to let these laws pass so Sick Bas**** like this are put away for a very long time. What is wrong with the parole boards for allowing his release when he states he will re-offend.

Posted by: bryanr at December 8, 2007 10:33 AM

Sounds like Nicols's heart is in the right place and means to offense to anyone. As for myself, I have had it right up to here with "Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays". You can stuff that. When some greets me with those terms I get in their face with a nice smile and wish them a "Merry Christmas" and if they are offended by that well tough Sh%t! I am the one being seriously offended by the PC crowd and their agenda for social engineering.

Posted by: a different Bob at December 8, 2007 10:35 AM

How long will it be before this is tied to AGW?
Code words: "environmentally sensitive" ; "ecological disaster." And ..... "fears".
...-

"Oil spill fouls South Korean beach"

"South Korea has mobilized an army of workers and volunteers to contain an enormous oil spill, which has fouled an environmentally sensitive shoreline."
[...]
"Kim Jong-sik, an official with the ministry of maritime affairs and fisheries, said there are fears the spill could cause an ecological disaster." ...-
(cbc)

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 10:55 AM

Wow what passion and courage.

Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan on Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0

Arab TV w/ english subtitles

Posted by: al at December 8, 2007 10:55 AM

NOTICE: When drive-bys litter a comments thread, please refrain from responding to them in ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER. You only create more work for me.

Posted by: Kate at December 8, 2007 11:00 AM

Certainly hope Monckton gets to ring in the the ears of the great Environmental saviour, Steffawn Deeyawn. He may need to be pulled up by his little ears, more likely.

Looks like the silly Dweeb is off to Bali in an attempt to play the role of Opposition leader on the world stage. He'll be getting lots of coverage from Liberal lovers in our MSM who will get just the right clips.

Posted by: Liz J at December 8, 2007 11:15 AM

Link to news article in canada.com "leaked government paper to derail Bali's BullSh*t conference.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=73269b12-3abd-4380-9572-25083811e4d7&k=45702

Merle Underwood.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 8, 2007 12:25 PM

Suzuki talks NHL players into taking a voluntary penalty, even though it just amounts to pennies for that crowd.

Maybe there is some truth to that saying after all.

The only thing worse than 'athletes foot' is 'athletes brain' :)

Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 8, 2007 12:33 PM

Now for today's laugh, courtesy of CTV:

"The activists say that the Kyoto Protocol is built on the recognition that industrialized countries are largely responsible for the greenhouse gas emissions that are causing climate change and must lead the reduction fight.

While emerging economies like China and India must slow their emissions growth, the activists say that they should not be subject to the same absolute reduction targets as developed countries.

Canada -- which has 0.4 per cent of the world's population yet produces two per cent of greenhouse gas emissions -- the United States and Australia are the world's biggest per capita emitters. Canada and the U.S. emitted about 20 tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalents per capita in 2004.

In comparison, China emitted 3.8 tonnes and India 1.2 tonnes."

Apparently, if a "poor" country emits CO2, it doesn't warm the earth like a "rich" country's emissions. Yeah right. Who cares about per capita emissions, the question should be, who are significant emitters and who is growing their emissions faster? Answer - China and India.

What utter nonsense from these bobbleheads. More evidence that Kyoto is a money laundering socialist, nail capitalism scheme has just been presented.

Posted by: Shamrock at December 8, 2007 12:43 PM

Mosque lawsuit seeks source of CAIR funding

Check out links to genuine moderate Muslim efforts esp. American Islamic Congress which has a great piece about the Flying Imams hoax. In that piece also is a 10-point plan for Islamofascism resistance which includes a statement not just against generic terrorism (the usual hoax we get) but naming names!

Also link to American Islamic Forum for Democracy.

These are genuine -- not taqiyya hoaxers or Ivy Tower navel gazers.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at December 8, 2007 12:52 PM

Canada is a big, big country with a lot of clean air.

Canada has a small population.

We, therefore, must be at the top of the list ---- 'tonnes of clean air per capita'

Don't worry Canadians -- be happy :)

Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 8, 2007 1:10 PM

Overheard at UN.

**Oil for Food was a walk in the park. Getting this Carbon Credits Caper off the ground is gonna be rocky.**

============== Bali
**My fellow-participants, there is no climate crisis. The correct policy response to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing. Take courage! Do nothing, and save the world's poor from yet another careless, UN-driven slaughter.**

The writer is an international business consultant specializing in the investigation of scientific frauds. He is a former adviser to UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher and is presenter of the 90-minute climate movie Apocalypse? NO!
==============

If some of the GW hot air energy had been channeled properly, clean coal-tech could have been underway by now. = TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 1:38 PM

Joe Clark punched .


Clark, 68, says he notified the RCMP and they referred the incident to the Montreal police, who interviewed him in detail.

The assailant was in his 40s or 50s, Clark said. "He was a white Anglo-Saxon. He was unaccented in his speech to me."


lets Borat Dion off the hook.

Posted by: cal2 at December 8, 2007 2:14 PM

No need to *jab* the NDP.

They have the blues, they are down, apathetic.

Pragmatist posted.. **Apathy.

It's hard to muster up any enthusiasm for talking about politics lately. Although I'm definitely still firmly behind the NDP on policy matters.

I can certainly see why the latest SES poll sees more and more Canadians (spontaneously!) choosing **none of the above.** **Unprecedented,** Nik Nanos calls it. I'll see him that and raise him a **depressing.**


Canajun said... **It's about rhetoric. It's about being sick of the pounding negativity that pervades our entire political process these days, in ALL parties. **


Josh Gould said...
** ...we should pass legislation that single-party minority governments should be illegal.**

http://idealisticpragmatist.blogspot.com/2007/12/apathy.html

So, standing in for Jack Layton, I outlined why these are the best of times for the NDP. Times of opportunity.

Alas, no buyers.. my comment ended the Dec 30th thread..

Too bad = TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 2:33 PM

Check out the "the original blog"

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/view495.html#Fascism

a snippet...

"It is the nature of American political debate to demonize certain people and certain concepts without regard to their truth or falsehood and certainly without paying attention to the evidence."

Posted by: Tenebris at December 8, 2007 2:43 PM

"To explain what might have happened, he recounts the chilling story of a female researcher in her 20s who was savaged near here.

The only predator that will actively stalk a human, the polar bear had hidden in wait behind the huge tyres of a tundra buggy and pounced as the woman disembarked from a helicopter and dashed to the vehicle.

"She had four huge puncture wounds in her back, and would have died if a guy hadn't jumped out of the buggy and hit the bear with a long pole," Dennis says.

"Those bears seem to love the scent after people drink coffee, and I'd hate to have to shoot one."
...-


'Polars bears on the brink? Don't you believe it'
By DAVID JONES
When you're up above the Arctic Circle, on the trail of polar bears who haven't eaten a square meal in months, it's advisable to follow a few basic rules.

Number one, as perishing cold as you may be, is don't drink too much coffee.

Unfortunately, as an incurable caffeine addict, wildlife documentary maker Nigel Marven can't adhere to this great unwritten imperative while filming his latest series out on the frozen North Canadian tundra.

As a result, I find myself peering anxiously from the safety of a frosten-crusted Jeep, wondering whether I am about to witness the moment that Nigel becomes his star performer's lunch.

Polar bears, you see, have an acute sense of smell which helps them to track down prey up to 60 miles away. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/39olxs (dailymail)

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 2:47 PM

Sorry, dislexia.. Dec 0..3 thread. =TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 2:49 PM

Q: Who are the moonbats voting for?

A: Moonbats.

"Academy Award-winning actor Sean Penn endorsed Dennis Kucinich for president in San Francisco Friday. Penn made what had been billed as a “major political statement” at San Francisco State University."

Posted by: irwin daisy at December 8, 2007 2:58 PM

“While I’m not a proponent of the Death Penalty, existing law provides that the likes of Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and Rice, if found guilty, could have hoods thrown over their heads, their hands bound, facing a 12-man rifle corps executing death by firing squad,” Penn said.

Boycott this idiot's movies.

Posted by: irwin daisy at December 8, 2007 3:00 PM

Now that Dutch Freedom Party leader and Parliamentarian, Geert Wilders, has opened his big mouth and God forbid, spoken the truth, he'll be demonized and then killed, cause he deserves it:

"The illiberal regime which has strengthened its grip on most of Europe over the last ten years is based on a convergence of interests between the Left and Islam.

Both groups would like to see dissent silenced, the Muslims in the name of the Prophet, and the Left to ensure the ascendancy of the Socialist, Green, or Multiculturalist millennium — take your pick, it depends on the Utopia-of-the-Month flavor.

The interests of these two unlikely allies will diverge soon enough, but in the meantime anyone who is interested in free and unfettered discourse is under siege.

From Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s adopted country comes a story about a growing movement to silence Geert Wilders. According to Expatica:

Front against Wilders on the rise

The “reasonable people” of the Netherlands are starting a movement against the standpoints of Geert Wilders, the Volkskrant reports. René Danen of the anti-racist organisation Nederland Bekent Kleur and Mohamed Sini of the Islam and Citizenship foundation hope to be able to put together a broad countermovement in the coming weeks.

The Refugee Council of the Netherlands also supports the call from Doekle Terpstra, former trade union leader and chairman of the HBO Council for universities of applied science. Terpstra said in Trouw last week that he was annoyed at Wilders’ actions and his statements about Islam as a fascist religion. He talks about the “Wilderisation of society” and “Wilders’ evil message.”

“I feel more and more provoked by the constant insults towards Muslims,” Terpstra says. “Wilders abuses his position and freedom of speech as an alibi to bait society and create rifts.” He also says: “Am I the only one who is angry and concerned? Unions, employers, Muslims, churches, humanists unite, join forces and turn the tide.”

Remember: truly free speech is provocative, controversial, and divisive. There is no need to protect words which are bland and offend no one.

The first step in stifling an opinion is to declare it an “abuse” of free speech.

“That is what we want to do now,” says Danen. There are no concrete plans yet, but one aim is to organise a demonstration around the time that Wilders’ much talked about film on Islam is to be shown, sometime in January."

Posted by: irwin daisy at December 8, 2007 3:14 PM

Tenebris: I took your advice and checked out that link. It handles the left-right thingee well, i.e., that fascism and communism are both really left -- or two departments within totalitarianism.

However, it's also quite confused. Notice how he justifies government interference in the market to correct "market failure". According to my lights the market -- in its proper milieu -- can not fail, any more than the weather can fail, albeit it may produce results we may not enjoy (Vancouver - b-r-r-r-r, motorcyce on battery tender, grounded).

The "market failure" is actually caused by government interference. Markets are not "inherently unstable" as the lib-lefty-socialists are wont to argue.

And as we all know by now the great depression was both caused AND extended by government interference in the market.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at December 8, 2007 3:15 PM

NDPGate.

Another apology, this time over accusations levelled during the last election:

NDP House leader Libby Davies formally apologized Thursday on behalf of her party for spreading allegations that a Liberal candidate in the last federal election tried to bribe his NDP rival to drop out of the race.

**Ms. Davies admitted that the NDP erred in arranging for Hansen-Carlson to repeat his accusations widely in the media 10 days before the Jan. 26, 2006 election.

And she said it made *another serious error in judgment* in failing to make public a letter from Canada's elections commissioner, three days before the election, which cleared the two Liberals.**

CalgaryGrit.blogspot.com

Such unclean hands. = TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 3:18 PM

irwin daisy: re: Your Wilders post.

The lasting lesson I got out of reading Bat Ye'or (I read 5 of her books) is how Islam expanded with the active collusion of Christian elites. Same deal with Europe, except of course the multi-culti socialist/fascist left.

I have also come to the conclusion that the higher up you are in the hierarchy the less likely you are to understand the threat of political Islam. To wit: Condi Rice who has now equated Mahmoud Abbas with Martin Luther King, seen the suicide bombing "Palestinians" as innocent civil rights-era blacks, and actively joined in the Arab-Muslim jihad against Israel and by extention the West.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at December 8, 2007 3:24 PM

irwin daisy: Connecting your Penn and Geert Wilders posts:

Wilders is Dead Man Talking?

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at December 8, 2007 3:26 PM

Multicult poll - 68% voted for failed policy, 32% part of the future w/ 8800 votes now.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v5/content/poll/pollResultHub?id=72057&pollid=72057&answerid=&poll=GAMFront&save=_save&show_vote_always=no&hub=Front&subhub=VoteResult

Keep up the good work guys!

Posted by: Ace at December 8, 2007 3:38 PM

"A Manifesto to Defeat Islamism"

In 1964, Sayyid Qutb, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's leading theoretician, published Ma‘alim fi al-Tariq (Milestones) in which he laid out steps to achieve an Islamic state and defeat the West. He described a generational process to ensure the victory of Islamism over Western liberal society. Liberal and traditional Muslims have yet to wage an effective counter-jihad against their Islamist brethren. There does not yet exist a liberal Muslim intellectual work equivalent to Milestones to lay the groundwork to defeat Islamism and ensure the creation of integrationist, tolerant American Muslim institutions.

A starting point to counter the Qutb construct would be for Muslim leaders to acknowledge ten points:

1. An Islamic narrative should not constrain universal human principles.

2. Mosques should support the separation of church and state, even as they take stands on social or political issues.

3. The affirmation of an egalitarian approach to faith beyond the constraints of simple tolerance. Tolerance implies superiority while pluralism implies equality.

4. Recognition that if government enacts the literal laws of God rather than natural or human law, then government becomes God and abrogates religion and the personal nature of the relationship with God.

5. Separation of mosque and state to include the abrogation of all blasphemy and apostasy laws.

6. Empowerment of women's liberation and advocacy for equality as is currently absent in many Muslim-majority, misogynistic cultures.

7. Ijtihad negating the need for Muslims active in politics today to bring theology into the political debate. Nowhere in the Qur'an does God tell Muslims to mix politics and religion or instruct by what document governments should be guided.

8. Creation of movements and organizations that are specifically opposed to such radical or terrorism-supporting groups as Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Jamaat al-Islamiya, and Al-Muhajiroun, to name a few, rather than simply being against undefined, generic notions of terrorism.

9. Public identification without apologetics of leaders and governments of Muslim majority countries who are dictators and despots and are, as such, anti-liberty and anti-pluralism. Muslims enjoying freedom in the West have yet to create mass movements to liberate their motherlands from dictatorship and theocracy and to move these toward secular democracies founded on individual liberties for all based in natural law.

10. Establishment of classical liberal Muslim institutions and think-tanks to articulate, disseminate, and educate concerning the above principles. The idea that individual liberty and freedom need not be mutually exclusive with Muslim theology must be taught to Muslim youth.

- M. Zuhdi Jasser, a former U.S. Navy lieutenant commander, is chairman of the board of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (www.aifdemocracy.org).

Posted by: irwin daisy at December 8, 2007 3:40 PM

"Wilders is Dead Man Talking?"

Heh. And Penn would condemn him to death, apparently.

Posted by: irwin daisy at December 8, 2007 3:44 PM

Nice that the usual trolls (alby, Cross, TG, ect) have given up. Haven't noticed them in a while. Migrated to some other blog I hope. The boss at this one has the backbone to both, allow comments AND monitor them adequately and fairly.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at December 8, 2007 3:45 PM

My favorite Joe Cclark line:

'I might be from the West but my heart is in Quebec."

Which of course is why he ran and won election so many times in Quebec, he said sarcastically.

Since Clark sold out English Canada and knuckled under to Quebec, I guess somebody with a long, long memory wanted him to 'knuckle under' to a white Anglo-Saxon too.

Also proves the old saying that one should always bury the hatchet, but one should never forget where they buried it.

Heh.

Posted by: rockyt at December 8, 2007 4:50 PM

A webbed article in WesternStandard.ca begins with the troubles that Connie and Mark Fournier of the Free Dominion endured at the hands of an HRC: "Censure the censors." [Registration required.]

I suggest that this paragraph is the 'money shot':

[A ruling mentioned in the previous paragraph] came right on the heels of larger reversal of the trend against speech in Saskatchewan. On April 13, 2006, the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal overturned a 2002 Court of Queen's Bench ruling that supported a 2001 decision of the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission against Hugh Owens. In 1997, Owens published an ad in the Saskatoon StarPhoenix that referred to Biblical passages which condemned homosexuality. Accompanying the citations was an illustration of two male stick figures holding hands inside a circle with a bar through it. The SHRC had fined both Owens and the newspaper $1,500 for violating s. 14(1)(b) of The Saskatchewan Human Rights Code. It was only a partial victory for freedom because the Appeal court didn't rule that the section of the code was in violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights. The judges simply stated that the SHRC had been too lenient in its interpretation of the Code. Whether that ruling will have any impact remains to be seen. Tom Ross, a labour employment lawyer with McLennan Ross in Calgary, thinks other HRCs were paying attention. "This case certainly helps to rebalance the jurisprudence in Saskatchewan and I think it will have some impact elsewhere," he says.

Implication: the Court of Appeal is the proper venue to have an HRC action thrown out. Near the end, the article mentions that the HRC setup hasn't been tested at the Supreme Court level. The people who otherwise would, are worried that the Supreme Court may uphold the underlying legislation - and they don't seem to be 'right wingers', either.

Posted by: Daniel M. Ryan at December 8, 2007 5:05 PM

G-M puts up this "essay". See the pic they put up?
It's Librano$ Robillard

From a comment:

"I’m with Karen Chan in that I think there needs to be a space where debate is kept on track and respectful, by force if necessary. Particularly with an issue as sensitive as multiculturalism."

Note: "by force if necessary."
Chilling words. It's the socialist/political correctness/multiculturalist mind: Socialist tyranny.

...-
When multi morphs into plural
Cultures can be sorted out; the hard part is getting ahead

Claverdon, England — Canadians have successfully proselytized for multiculturalism overseas for years. Scholars trooped to European capitals to give PowerPoint presentations. Canada was the multi-culti go-to nation.

But at a major conference on social cohesion last month at a hotel in the British Midlands, the Canadians suddenly found themselves on the defensive. Canada, it seems, no longer has any lessons for Europe. Multiculturalism looks like yesterday's "ism." ...-

Enlarge image:Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Lucienne Robillard helps new Canadian citizen Kelly Ku, 9, cut a cake decorated with the Canadian flag while House of Commons Speaker Gilbert Parent helps First and Second World War veterans Roy Henley, 95, of Sidney, B.C., and Tom Spear, 99, of Calgary. (CP/Fred Chartrand)...-
http://tinyurl.com/yqksjn

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 5:24 PM

The book they used to burn now fires new revolution of faith in China

In China it is known as the “sacred doctrine” and it has become one of the country’s bestselling books. Yet it has nothing to do with the thoughts of Chairman Mao and its teachings have been in conflict with the forces of Communism for generations.

Demand for the Bible is soaring in China, at a time when meteoric economic growth is testing the country’s allegiance to Communist doctrine. Today the 50 millionth Bible will roll off the presses of China’s only authorised publisher, Amity Printing, amid public fanfare and celebration.

...

A country where the Communist ideology has lost much credibility is seeing an upsurge in conversions to Christianity. Li Baiguang, a prominent lawyer and Christian activist who was received by President Bush at the White House last year, said: “Rising wealth means that more and more people have been able to meet their material needs, the need for food and clothing.

“Then they are finding that they need to satisfy their spiritual needs, to look for happiness for the soul. In addition, they are seeing a breakdown in the moral order as money takes over. Thus, more and more people are turning to Christianity.”

(Via Israpundit) Basra's murderous militias tell Christian women to cover up or face death

In the past five months more than 40 women have been murdered and their bodies dumped in the street by militiamen, according to the Basra police chief. Major-General Abdul-Jalil Khalaf said that some of them had been killed alone, others gunned down with their children. One unveiled mother was murdered together with her children aged 6 and 11.

The British Army will formally hand Basra over to Iraqi control in less than two weeks, claiming that it had done all it could to stabilise the southern port city during four years in charge. Yet as a tentative stability returns to Baghdad, where even alcohol shops are starting to reopen, Britain appears to be leaving Basra ever more firmly in the hands of lawless gangs and strict morality police.

Messages are scrawled in graffiti warning women not to venture out without observing Islamic dress codes. “Whoever disobeys will be punished. God is our witness that we have conveyed this message,” says one scrawled in red paint on a wall. A huge advert for mobile phones, featuring a mother and child, has been defaced to blot out the uncovered woman's head with the slogan “No, no, to unveiled women” sprayed below....

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 8, 2007 5:32 PM

First they came for your guns; then, they came for your tobacco; then, they came for your marijuana; then, they came for you.
Socialistic tyranny salami-style: gun by gun, puff by puff, slice by slice ...
...-

Smokers light up in N.S. town to protest tough anti-smoking proposal

BRIDGEWATER, N.S. - Several dozen people lit up on this Nova Scotia community's two bridges Saturday to protest tough anti-smoking measures that, if adopted, would make it illegal to smoke in almost all public places within the town's limits.

Because they are provincially owned, the two bridge's that span the LaHave River would be the only public places in Bridgewater that smoking would be allowed under a proposed bylaw. Otherwise, it would be illegal to smoke while walking on the sidewalk or driving in a car.

The police said Saturday's protest, which alternated between the two bridges and at its height saw about 60 puffing away, was peaceful. Sgt. Al Cunningham said reporters almost outnumbered the smokers. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/22oa87

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 5:50 PM

Ron in Kelowna,

Thank you for the points even though you err classing me with those two.

Try not to be too red-faced regarding your careful reading of threads before commenting. = TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 6:57 PM

re: comment re Goreacle on "Libel Tourism" thread. Please delete.
Note to self: Put the mouse to bed.

Posted by: maz2 at December 8, 2007 7:05 PM

CalgaryGrit need only look as far as Maclean*s and the Ottawa Citizen for anti-CPC ammo.

** First up, remember that investigation into Liberal Party polling practices headed up by former PQ Cabinet Minister Danielle Paille? Well, you probably don't because his conclusions have been sitting in report purgatory for a month, no doubt waiting for a quiet December 24th publication.

Well, it seems the CPC have broken Paul Martin's spending record, with the PMO quadrupling its polling budget since '05-06. When asked about it in the house, James Moore said he was *surprised* to learn this.**
=================== And he probably was,

Moore replied in the Ottawa Citizen..

** We are taking all the necessary steps to correct this in the future to safeguard taxpayers' money,** Mr. Moore said.
==================
Expect to see this played up Mansbridge style. = TG

Posted by: TG at December 8, 2007 7:44 PM

One more reason to detest flying rats:

Awning collapse death link to pigeon droppings

BUILDING inspectors had been looking at the condition of old shop awnings before one collapsed in a torrential storm at Balgowlah, killing a man.

Investigators will examine if the weight of pigeon droppings left after years of roosting in the hollow awning contributed to its fatal collapse....

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 8, 2007 8:26 PM

Nicola Timmerman, you can buy a superlaive performance of The Huron Carol, and other English, French, Polish, Orthodox, and Renaissance gems, on a Naxos CD by the Elora Festival Singers. It's called The Mystery of Christmas. The cost, a mere $9.98: 'worth every penny.

Posted by: lookout at December 8, 2007 10:28 PM

Make that "superlaTive"!

Posted by: lookout at December 8, 2007 10:29 PM

TG shouldn't be classified as a troll. He is actually quite articulate and engaging... until you mention fossil fuel ;-)

Sorry Tony, me bad, but I couldn't resist.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at December 8, 2007 10:45 PM

Good one on National Post by J. Baird

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=150888

It's clear and concise of what Canada's asking. Merle Underwood.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 8, 2007 11:20 PM

"Smokers light up in N.S. town to protest tough anti-smoking proposal".

Should be a piece of cake.
Word is that the same OPP from Caledonia, are on loan to Nova Scotia, I guess to keep "law and order".

Ha ha ha , I couldn't write that and keep a straight face, sorry.

Posted by: eastern paul at December 9, 2007 12:56 AM

Incredibly, the G&M still has the multiculturalism question up - failed policy of the past - 77% (11,434 votes), indispensible part of our future - 23% (3,430 votes).

Posted by: Neil at December 9, 2007 1:04 AM

2 nukes good. 4 nukes bad.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071208/radio_isotopes_071208/20071208?hub=TopStories

nukes used to be bad press, till they are down and the great unwashed want theml

Posted by: cal2 at December 9, 2007 1:54 AM

Oops, sorry Kate--put this in the wrong place.

The religion of peace (tm) strikes again.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3018766.ece

Posted by: Johann at December 9, 2007 6:10 AM

Taliban Jack Layton-NDP says: It's not fair; it'snot echoes Citoyen Dion.
...-

Musa Qala, Afghanistan - Taliban leaders seized in assault on Afghan town
Excerpt -

KABUL, Dec 9 (Reuters) - Afghan and NATO-led forces have captured two senior Taliban commanders during their offensive to retake the insurgents' most important stronghold in Afghanistan, the Afghan Defence Ministry said on Sunday.

Musa Qala, in the southern province of Helmand, has a symbolic significance for both sides in the conflict in Afghanistan as the only sizeable Afghan town controlled by the Taliban.

U.S. and British forces opened the operation on Friday, in the words of a British spokesman "kicking the door in to Musa Qala", to be followed up by an assault by Afghan forces.

The operation is expected to last several days, but Afghan and foreign forces appeared to have scored an early victory with the capture of two top Taliban civilian commanders in Helmand.

"During the operation, two Taliban commanders named Mullah Mateen Akhond and Mullah Rahim Akhond have been captured by joint forces," the Defence Ministry said in a statement.

Mullah Rahim Akhond is the Taliban-appointed governor of Helmand, while Mullah Mateen Akhond is the Taliban dictrict governor of Musa Qala. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936885/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 9, 2007 6:49 AM

Take a look at this "File Photo" which MSM puts up to accompany the story.

It's literally smoke and mirrors! The tobacco cigarette is prominent, not once but twice! How is that done? Mirrored. MSM has combined many messages in the one pic. All the messages are subliminal mind-control propaganda porn.
In addition, the photo was taken in summer (trees green leaved); not winter. How do you know? It's the background.
The MSM is/are in collusion with the socialists.
...-

Drive-thrus unsafe, bad for environment, critics say

It might be tempting to pull up to the drive-thru window to fill up on food and coffee on frosty winter mornings, but some Canadian communities are arguing that traffic safety and concern for the environment should trump convenience.
(File Photo)...-
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/997128.html

Posted by: maz2 at December 9, 2007 8:14 AM

Mark Steyn's quote of the year!!! Links are courtesy of Little Green Footballs.

"Douchebag, douche thyself"

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmY1YjBlNGE0OWRiODcxZjU0NGQ1NjU5ODhmYmU2NDE=

Entertaining and numerous comments to Jim Henley's "expanding like mosquitos" stink bomb:

http://www.highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2007/12/08/7517

Posted by: Martin B. at December 9, 2007 9:28 AM

kate
can we update the photo (under About Kate)
it looks 20 year old!
thanks
george

Posted by: george at December 9, 2007 9:42 AM

Thanks for all the feedback on carols. And now for something completely different. I just heard on the Nick show on CFRA radio in Ottawa an 'answer' by Premier McGuinty given to a question about property rights (especially for farmers). Basically he said he believes in government because people are unable to do things for themselves (e.g. schools - has he never heard of home schooling?, protecting the environment, hospitals, etc.).

He envisages us 'working hand in hand' as I guess we go down the road to a socialist paradise I guess, where the government can conviscate your property and not even pay for it.

To think we are planning to retire in rural Ontario!

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at December 9, 2007 10:16 AM

News article's of China's excess monies.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071207.r-cover-side08/BNStory/Business
&
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071207.r-cover08/BNStory/Business

Read readers comments on last article.
Nothing came up as China started to black market toys, clothes, electronic hardware, parts for vehicles. These things were payed in Foreign Currency that was shelved for later use. Now for last fifteen years plus they have been using this to boost their own dollar. Claiming they are a poor country, getting businesses to put factories in Asia countries so they can maximize their own GDP.

Float the Chinese currency along the rest of the foreign currencies and see what becomes of it. The world consumers would be surprised at the cost of built in China products.

Example: Buying Chinese products at a Walmart:
The coffee pot with Canadian label: When the coffee pot lid busts, try to get it fixed on warranty. On the bottom of the Walmart till slip they will only cover it for 90 days. Send it to office of the manufacture, they will forward it to the repair center and "low and behold", THEY DO NOT HAVE PART OR CANNOT GET PART, so you are without a coffee pot. Suggestion "BUY NEW ONE" with same warranty.

Example: Coleman Boots: were made in USA until 4 yrs ago, manufactures in China. Try to get the same wear out of the boot that was good for 2 to 3 years. You will be lucky if you get +-12 months out of them. They only cost 100 dollars at the local Canadian tire store.

I really think that all people should be demanding of their manufactures, that they will put out a better product and where it is made, products it made from and where it assembled. I think people would start to think of what has this manufacturer, country has done in the past and for the future.

Like to here more posts on this from ordinary working people instead of MSM. Merle Underwood.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 9, 2007 1:15 PM
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