A gun for Kathy.

Understanding out Health Care System failure.

http://www.moneytalks.net/article.php?aid=248454221188510297&archive=0

Good evening ladies & gentlemen, welcome to SDA Late Nite Radio for Tuesday, December 4, 2007. For your perusal and potential delectation, tonight we have this excellent historic document. I love it where Don relates the story of when his mother told the wise guys to put their guns on the table before they talked to her Don ;-)

Don Rickles - Interviewed by Charlie Rose (1 hr.)

video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=470188158617729457

Not a Scum-Bag lawyer, just an observation

The US Supreme Court Ruling addressed the problem that all “inner” cities are experiencing. Most people are not paying their taxes, and the city is broke. The State taxpayers have to fund essential services. IMHO the city had a valid reason for re-developing its tax base.

Most other cases would have a hard time fitting into that scenario. The lower courts do "Block" justice in these cases and rule for the Municipality. It costs a lot of money and may take years but State Supreme Courts have, in the past, overturned in the majority of the cases.

You know I once listened to a conversation at a bike sow in Cleveland Ohio between a citizen on one side and member of the Hell's Angels on the other other side. To witness such an exchange was remarkable in itself and extremely rare. Most Angels don't talk much to civilians.

The jist was ... why are you an outlaw? Why not work and live in the great society?

The answer was more or less. What for? Why should I work my ass off and get to keep maybe half of the pittance I would earn. Why would I want to be eight to five slave with little time to live and do what I want to do?

Why should sit back and watch government lie and waste all our money on bullshit.

Why would I want to give up my freedom for anyone ... be told what I can do and pay fines, and fees every time I turn around. I am not a robot, I am a free man living my life the way I want and I don't care what anyone thinks.

That was the jist ... far from a verbatim quote of the chat as you can imagine.

It made a lot of sense to me. When I listen to the daily arguments, debates and the putting across of each persons point of view which usually amount to wanting others to be responsible for the me.

Making more and more rules and regulations daily to make the me feel better and safer and more secure when it's all Bullshit from the get go.

I continually wonder why we put up with as much as we do from our narcissistic, ego maniacal, thieving leaders in the first place. They have incrementally taken almost everything away from our once free society. It's horrible. Our so called fellow citizens are so brain washed with it that they are not much better. They take is all seriously like it's right and important.

In the above postings there is the link to a radio clip about farmer who is having his land stolen by the government for a tourist site so the greedy city leaders can get more cash into their coffers and supply opportunity to their business friends.

Who are the outlaws? We are all in a prison of our own making and we don't even realize it. We are no longer free.

We may all be in a situation of our own making,
John, yet I am not in prison, metaphorically or
otherwise. Your mileage may vary.

In the sense you pessimistically deride freedom,
you are correct, but in that sense we have never
been free, so no longer does not apply.

On the other hand, we are civilizationally freer
than ever. Perhaps before civilization we were
freer, but then the average life expectancy was 30.

Your pick, sir.

John, you make some good points yet our present *keepers* allow us some wiggle room and seldom chop off hands or heads.

Venezuela's Hugo Chavez says he wants to send oil to $200 a barrel. Robert Zubrin has a plan to stop him. In his just released book, Energy Victory: Winning the War on Terror by Breaking Free of Oil,

The clever Saudis are the most lethal enemy of our Western free world. Osama was / is a Saudi. 1999 oil income approx 4 Billion$…2007 oil income 800 Billion$. The Saudis finance madrasses world wide where hungry young men are offered regular meals along with anti-western brain washing.

Robert Zubrin correctly suggests a stroke of the pen in USA congress that will limit oil price gouging. There is NO shortage.
================== Expert and Author: of Energy Victory.

In a nutshell, his proposal is this: that the American congress should pass a law mandating that all new cars sold in the United States be flex-fueled, which is to say able to run on any combination of gasoline or alcohol fuels. Flex fuel is proven technology which only adds a few hundred dollars to the cost of a car.

[ In 2008/09, 100% of all new cars sold in Brazil will be 100% Flex fuel.= TG]

In 2007, roughly 90 percent of all cars sold in Brazil were flex-fueled, but outside of that country, their market share was quite low - comprising about 3 percent of US auto sales, for example. However, as Zubrin argues convincingly, if it were mandated that every new car sold in the USA had to be flex fueled as a standard feature, then practically every auto manufacturer in the world would be forced to switch their lines over to flex fuel.

[ If you own a Flex fuel vehicle you have a choice. Gas at $1.05 -litre or E85 or M85 at 49 cents per litre. If the Saudis / Opec lower gas prices to compete, you can revert to gasoline anytime the price is below biofuel prices.= TG]

Thus the effect of a US flex fuel mandate would be global, and within a few years, put hundreds of millions of cars on the road worldwide capable of running indifferently on either methanol, ethanol, or gasoline.

With such a market available, alcohol fuel pumps and associated infrastructure would quickly appear, and the vertical monopoly that the oil cartel holds on the world's vehicular fuel supply would be broken, as gasoline would be forced to compete everywhere against alcohol produced from multiple sources, including biomass, coal, stranded natural gas, recycled urban trash, and so forth.

To be sure, such a development would not quite destroy OPEC. Alcohol fuels are only competitive against oil when the price exceeds about $50 per barrel. So in a free market, the best Zubrin's plan could accomplish would be to send oil prices back down to that level. Still, in the face of current oil prices of $100 per barrel, and much worse potentially in the offing, forcing the price back to $50/bbl and containing it at that level would certainly be an enormous accomplishment.

[Hugo Chavez is suggesting Opec pricing go to $200 per barrel. ]

Which brings us to Zubrin's idealism. He doesn't just want to take away the Saudi's treasure. He wants to use it to end world poverty. He says: **Instead of financing terrorism, our energy dollars could be used to fund world development. Instead of selling blocks of our media to Saudi princes, we could be selling tractors to Africa. Instead of paying for death, we could be helping to spread life. Instead of buying arms for our enemies and chains for ourselves, we could be building a world of prosperity and freedom.**

energy-daily.com/reports/The_Plan_To_Destroy_OPEC_999.html
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As Zubrin puts it: **So the crux of the matter comes down to this: Do we want to win or lose? The issue at stake in energy security is not a matter of whether the price of gasoline will be $2 per gallon or $3 per gallon; it is who will determine the human future. Do we want to have the enemy's fate in our hands, or do we want to have ours in theirs?**

[BTW… gasoline in the UK sells for about $8 a gallon.. ]

Laos harvests sweet yams for bio fuels. China has been ramping up production. Brazil learned the lesson of 1972/73. North America*s and UK*s ExxonMobile, Chevron, Shell, BP and all are in bed with the devil.. Too bad for us. = TG

Wait until Ruffini sees what a SA link is worth for hits ;)

Crud...... SDA link. Must type sloooooower.

john w. i agree we are in a prison of our own making. we have lost our freedom slice by tiny slice. the constant increase of regulations(laws) we must follow. laws put in place because everytime there is a challenge we face, the sheep that are canadian citizens don't act themselves thay always complain that the government must do something. tell me something in canada that doe not have some sort of government reg. applied to it.

"Well, all I can say is peace and blessings be upon her! In my book, a gang-rape victim deserves a whole heck of lot more peace and blessings than the Prophet, who continues to inspire such barbarism in the name of his religion."

Death Before Burkas
American Thinker ^ | December 5, 2007 | Kyle-Anne Shiver

Anyone who thinks I’ve spent the last 40 years of my life learning how to properly apply makeup and avoid bad-hair days, only to end up donning that hideous black thing at the command of some foreign guy with a severe case of Male-Chauvinist-Pig syndrome, is in for a fight.

Give me death before burkas! ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1934906/posts

Le flop for breakfast? Ouvrir le corn flakes.
...-

"the ambitious push to make Canada a truly bilingual country has been a flop."
Rude awakening on bilingualism
By ROY CLANCY
http://tinyurl.com/25mpal (calsun)

After all the drumbeating and hair pulling the silence about the NIE here is deafening.

@Vitruvius:

I think you misunderstood John West's point. By my reading, he was saying "at what point does the marginal costs of civilization exceed the marginal benefits?"

The life expectancy in present-day Zimbabwe, if I recall correctly, is 37 years. The social policies followed by Mugabe were standard twentieth-century social policy (inflation, "land reform," etc.) What these two add up to is, "Zimbabwe: How Twentieth-Centure Social Policy Led To A Nineteenth-Century Life Expectancy."

Something to mull over...

Whoops, "century." I'm not sure of the strength of AIDS and other diseases as an affector.

Your point about civilization in general, though, is a good one. I wonder what the average life expectancy was in the Roman Empire...

Cartoon In Jordanian Paper and "Al-Quds Al-Arabi" On "New Sports In Egypt's Arab Olympics"
MEMRI ^ | 12-5-07

Right to left: "Freestyle Beating," "Javelin Throw," "Abusing Women."

Sources: Al-Ghad, Jordan; Al-Quds Al-Arabi, London, November 13, 2007
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1934970/posts

"What if everyone believes in global warmism only because everyone believes in global warmism?"

"How this honor has befallen the former Veep could perhaps be explained by another Nobel, awarded in 2002 to Daniel Kahneman for work he and the late Amos Tversky did on "availability bias," roughly the human propensity to judge the validity of a proposition by how easily it comes to mind."

"Their insight has been fruitful and multiplied: "Availability cascade" has been coined for the way a proposition can become irresistible simply by the media repeating it; "informational cascade" for the tendency to replace our beliefs with the crowd's beliefs; and "reputational cascade" for the rational incentive to do so.".....

....an editorial this morning in the Wall Street Journal.

Canadian Conservative Prime Minister Harper leads Republican USA President Bush around by the "free trade pact". It's not fair.
...-

Bush invokes Harper on Colombia in push to pass free trade pact
By THE CANADIAN PRESS
http://tinyurl.com/2d3ynb

Canada still beats the world!...
Paul Wells | December 4, 2007 | 14:33:37 | Permalink
paul.wells@macleans.rogers.com

...at finding incredibly oblique side doors into stories that might (shudder!) simply be dull but worthy.

Case in point: The OECD releases its occasional multi-country survey of student performance. Finland wins again. France tanks. The UK underperforms. The US is lackadaisical. Canada does quite well indeed -- and has, consistently, for as long as the OECD has been doing this. (One is tempted to suggest that by producing globally-competitive high-school students and globally-so-so universities, we are helping the rest of the world to fill their best universities -- and, later, graduate labs -- with our best minds. Gee, we're swell.)

This is useful information. But we had useful information a few years ago and we'll have some more in a few years. Today, the news you need to know is about whether Canadian students fret sufficiently about the environment. In other words, whether they'd make good Star editorialists.

UPDATE: Other fun PISA facts:
- Countries where test scores are posted publicly produce students who score better than countries where each student is the only one to know his score;
- Countries where schools have more latitude to set and allocate their own budgets produce better scores than schools with tighter central planning;
- Canadian and US students are equally likely to be confident they can apply science to real-life problems; but Canadian students are significantly likelier to actually be able to apply science to real-life problems;
- socio-economic background of students is a worse predictor of test performance in Canada than in most countries surveyed: in Canada, showing up poor at school is less of a handicap than in most of the world. (This is fantastic news, so nobody will cover it.) Poverty is a significantly bigger educational handicap in the US -- and bigger still in France, where university students are still striking today to protect what they believe is their nation's sacred commitment to educational equity.

Link: forums.macleans.ca/advansis/?mod=for&act=dip&pid=92213&tid=92213&eid=43&so=1&ps=0&sb=1

An example of the much touted days of "principle over politics"? More like politics "squeaking" through with a win over principle. Wasn't much of a competition. Yet again. As always. Plus ca change...

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Canada on Russia: Delightfully mild...
Paul Wells | December 4, 2007 | 06:20:21 | Permalink
paul.wells@macleans.rogers.com

When Stephen Harper penned this long-forgotten condemnation of the 2006 Belarus election [www.pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=1064], he growled -- as two people breathlessly informed me later -- "Don't even show it to Foreign Affairs. Just put it out. Maybe they'll learn something." That's the tough talk of a self-congratulatorily moral foreign policy.

One wonders, then, what lesson the good folks at Fort Pearson will learn from the squeak [w01.international.gc.ca/minpub/Publication.aspx?isRedirect=True&publication_id=385660&language=E&docnumber=171]that accompanied a similarly bogus election in a country 18 times bigger and more worrisome. Instead of the prime minister's bold condemnation, we get polite questions from the most junior foreign-affairs minister since (checking the files) the last one.

This is what picking on somebody your own size looks like, right?

Link: forums.macleans.ca/advansis/?mod=for&act=dip&pid=92112&tid=92112&eid=43&so=1&ps=0&sb=1

Just another contributer to Global Warming. Don't light your Hanukkia candles.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1195546797524&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

The Rolf Penner interview is a good one.

If this land seizure is allowed without a fuss then I expect the issue to grow. There needs to be clearer and more stringent rules on when and who governments are allowed to take or alter the use of private property. In this type of case, if you give the government an inch they'll feel free to take a mile or a house or a business or an oil field etc.

In A Place Among the Nations: Israel and the World (Toronto: Bantam Books, 1993), Benjamin Netanyahu argued that the roots of Mohammedan alienation and rage are quite understandable. Islam promises its adherents world domination, yet those faithful see Jews and Christians advance while Muslim nations stagnate or regress. True peace requires the spread of democracy through the Mohammedan world. Perhaps this author would agree:

Waleed Aly, Sudanese teddy saga lays bare Islamic inferiority complex

...And here, it seems, is the key to this unmitigated farce. Had Gibbons been Sudanese, or just non-Western, there would be no controversy here. Indeed Muslims have not generally been averse to naming their toys (and their children) with the names of prophets. For years, the Islamic Society in Britain sold a soft toy named "Adam the Prayer Bear", while in the US, a Muslim multimedia organisation continues to produce children's videos starring a Muppet-like character also named "Adam" - the name of Islam's first prophet. This saga ultimately has nothing to do with teddy bears, and everything to do with anti-Western sentiment - a fact most nakedly revealed by the collective response of senior Sudanese clerics, who branded Gibbons's conduct "a calculated action and another ring in the circles of plotting against Islam".

This discourse is deeply implausible, especially when you consider Gibbons's love for the Sudanese people and long-term desire to assist with their education. This kind of response discloses a siege mentality; one that must position the Muslim world as the victim in a global - but particularly Western - conspiracy against it. As a corollary, the West must have a singularly oppressive role in the conspiratorial imagination. It exists to repress Muslims, and makes its policy decisions only to undermine Islam, as though the West has no independent interests of its own.

There is arrogance in this assumption that the humiliation of Muslims must be the central goal of others, but more deeply it is the expression of an inferiority complex. Such stifling paranoia is not a trait of the confident, but of the humiliated. The result is a disposition that is avid for scandal, a seemingly incurable desperation to be offended, and to pin the blame on Western civilisation. By responding violently to such offence, the humiliated feel a sense of faux-empowerment. They rehabilitate their status by lashing out.

...Ultimately, it is Muslims who have the most to lose. Perpetual victimhood, though an emotional balm, is disempowering and self-fulfilling. By clinging to it, and even imagining ourselves victims when we are not, we are ultimately victimising ourselves.

An example of the much touted days of "principle driven politics" over "poll-watching"? Nope. Just the opposite with the biggest spending government in Canadian history. Yet again. As always. Plus ca change...

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Record-spending Tories review polling contracts
Minister says freeze put it place; office later backs off comments

Glen McGregor, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Wednesday, December 05, 2007

Public Works Minister Michael Fortier said yesterday the government has put a freeze on all polling and focus-group contracts following a report that showed the Conservative government last year set a new record for spending on public opinion surveys [...]

Mr. Fortier said yesterday in the Senate that he found the $31 million spent on public opinion research "considerable" and said the government has put a moratorium on new surveys in all departments.

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Actually, they did no such thing:

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But last night, Mr. Fortier's director of communications said a moratorium was only one option under consideration.

"We might have been ahead of ourselves," said Jacques Gagnon.

"We're looking at all the necessary steps to correct the situation."

Link: www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=a4598701-f296-4e83-bfb7-8cb0850c4464

The Knokke-Heist Memorial March Nov.04/07
Canadian Contingent Takes salute

You have to look at this Video
This is what makes you Proud to be Canadian
Kingstonlad & other with military exp. will relate

http://users.skynet.be/fb730011/salute.htm

Latest US National Intelligence Estimate: Iran stopped nuclear program in 2003.

Full NIE available here: dni.gov

Or for a more fair-and-balanced source: foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314708,00.html

Islamic students are on the sue-Mark-Steyn-Macleans train: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2007/12/05/muslim-macleans.html

...the Conservative government last year set a new record for spending on public opinion surveys

Maybe they want to know what Canadians care about instead of doing what the liberals did;
tell us what we should care about?

But but but but Friend of USA, I thought the complaint was that the LIEberals/Fiberals made all their decisions based on the latest polls instead of principle and that Harper was going to change all that. That he was principle driven not poll driven.

What happened to all that in less than a year?

But but but but Friend of USA, I thought the complaint was that the LIEberals/Fiberals made all their decisions based on the latest polls instead of principle and that Harper was going to change all that. That he was principle driven not poll driven.

What happened to all that in less than a year?

"This party will not take its position based on public opinion polls. We will not take a stand based on focus groups. We will not take a stand based on phone-in shows or householder surveys or any other vagaries of public opinion." ~ Steven Harper, Leader of the Opposition, January 2003

"We don't make decisions in our governments based on polls." ~ Prime Minister Steven Harper, August 2006

"Conservative spending on polls hits $31-million." ~ National Post, 4 December 2007

Awkward.

Your Conservative Party of Canada, on the need for smaller government:

"The size of government is not diminishing. It's at best flattening or slightly increasing." ~ Jacques Gagnon, director of communications for Public Works Minister Michael Fortier, 4 December 2007.

ted, and your various aliases (hypocrite, middle). We know you hate Harper. That's your personal problem; you cut and paste and focus exclusively on your hatred.

Do you have anything besides your personal issues, of factual and analytic substance to contribute to readers here?

CBCpravda All Khadr ,All the time.

the USA -global abuse of power.yadda yadda

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/12/05/court-guantanamo.html

IAH.NYAH - nice catch!!

But you have to realize that pointing out the flip flopping, poll-driven, politics before policy of the Harper Conservatives... i.e. pointing out some facts... is not going to get too far with the kool-aid drinkers.

While there are indeed many principled conservatives and even principled Conservatives, they are slowly realizing that they are lead by Chretien in blue (and without the experience).

Just call him The Right Honourable Stephen Brian Jean Harper. Same as the old Boss. Plus ca change...

A most important court case, ignored by big MSM, is going to the jury soon.

http://www.brucemontague.ca/html/0303.html

Hopefully the jury can show some sense.

Hey leftards, don't you just love communism? Is there any better system for improving a citizen's quality of life?

GENEVA -- China continues to evict 13,000 people each month in preparation for the Beijing Olympics, despite worldwide attention and increased scrutiny, a housing rights group said Wednesday.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071205/beijing_olympics_071205/20071205?hub=World&s_name=

ET: Do you have anything besides your personal issues, of factual and analytic substance to contribute to readers here?

Sure, how about:

- the fact that Steven Harper has gone on public record as saying that his government would not/does not govern based on polls;

- the fact that, in the past year, the Steven Harper-led government has spent $31 million in tax-payer funds on public opinion polls, which is more than any other administration; and

- the fact that the PM's Privy Council alone spent $1.3 million, more that 4 times the amount spent by Paul Martin's 04-05 Privy Council?

Would you like to offer any rebuttal or opinion on any of these three facts?

Ted: But you have to realize that pointing out the flip flopping, poll-driven, politics before policy of the Harper Conservatives... i.e. pointing out some facts... is not going to get too far with the kool-aid drinkers.

Yes, from recent experience, I'd sadly have to agree, Ted.

The facts of this particular flip-flip are especially plain, and rather difficult to argue against. Any real conservative worth her/his salt would more or less have to come out and criticize Harper on this one specific point. But alas, here at SDA, partisanship trumps conservatism, and so everyone will remain silent -- except, of course, ET, who can't help but pick a fight, even one that was lost before it even started.

I wonder: will anyone here prove me wrong?

The prison of our own making... Interesting!
When the forefathers drafted the constitution of the United States, they introduced the 2nd amendment, reading 'everyone can keep and bear the muskets'...
The muskets being the most advanced weapons of the day, we Okay for the founding fathers. But then something strange started to happen.
One by one the firearms got banned from the hands of civilians, and now many in the society frown upon even semi-auto rifles, needless to say that full-auto is considered gangsters' weapon and machine guns are out of reach and only exist in military. Even semi-auto is trumpeted as 'assault rifles'.

This is where society wavered from the right path - when it allowed the government to regulate what weaponry is allowed and what not. If we could still possess the most advanced weapons of the day, neither municipal, nor state/provincial nor federal government would not be so comfortable taking away people's freedom. Simply because a few hundreds or thousands of angry citizens could implement some drastic changes to the said government if, let's say, they realized that their taxes were not used properly, or criminals got out of jail free, or someone advanced their career unjustly.

Quit whining! It is you and no one else who is responsible for the loss of freedom! Not your father, or grandfather, or your neigbour. Everything that happens to a person is that person's making. There is no past and there is no future, there is only now and that's when things need to be done.

It is as simple as that: freedom is based on two things - guns and children. Bring up your children decent people, talk to them, know what their troubles and joys are, take them to a rink, range and trail and be the most respected person in their life. And 2nd - buy guns, ammo, range membership and go shooting. Freedom requires constant protection from evil menaces and stupid people with best intentions.

Canada had a war with the US in 1812 and it looks to me like ever since the point in Canada was to be not like the USA. I.e. prevalence of collective interests over individual rights and mass fear of firearms.

ET: never mind them, go have a look at what i posted on the Knokke-Heist March this vid is only minute tops & this little 4yr old dutch boy will put a smile on your face, He makes you feel proud to be Canadian.

http://users.skynet.be/fb730011/salute.htm

Yes, ted/hypocrite/and your various other aliases. [And you ought to be ashamed of doing this.] The FACT that even if the CPC uses polls, that doesn't mean that its policies are based on the poll results. There's no way that you could prove it.

But, ted, hypocrite and etc, your focus is on your personal hatred, a hatred that is approaching a fanatic obsession, of Harper.

I don't see any resolution to your obsessive anger. Certainly, it's immune to facts and logic, and requires constant expression to 'let off steam'.

John West, I think that the cognitive nature of our species puts us in a particular situation, to which we must adapt. Cognitively, almost all of our knowledge base is social, which means that it is stored within the beliefs and memory tactics of the collective, the community. We exist as individuals, but, our knowledge base is derived from a communal source.

Therefore, our species cannot function as a separate individual. Ever. Nor do we function as a collective. But only as an individual intimately connected to a collective. We can't reject one or the other. Keeping a fine balance between these two realities - the collective and the individual isn't easy.

"Would you like to offer any rebuttal or opinion on any of these three facts?"

Who cares? It's not like the Conservatives are stealing millions of taxpayer dollars, or importing 80 keys of cocaine on the bottom of a ship, or boondoggling billions out of the public coffers.

"But alas, here at SDA, partisanship trumps conservatism,"

Actually, loathing of leftoid idiots like you trumps everything, in case you haven't noticed.

Ted, er, Sybil is confused. He thought he was commenting at rabble, where people might actually care about his opinion.

You mean ted/hypocrite are the same sheeple,and he actually responds to his own comments?How pathetic is that?

ET: The FACT that even if the CPC uses polls, that doesn't mean that its policies are based on the poll results.

So are you saying that the $31 million spent was wasted money? If CPC policies aren't based on polls, why conduct so many of them, or any at all?

And what's the opposite of a fanatical, obsessive, personal hatred of Harper? An unwavering, uncritical allegiance to him?

In A Place Among the Nations: Israel and the World (Toronto: Bantam Books, 1993), Benjamin Netanyahu argued that the roots of Mohammedan alienation and rage are quite understandable. Islam promises its adherents world domination, yet those faithful see Jews and Christians advance while Muslim nations stagnate or regress
Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 5, 2007 10:45 AM

Damn good post Charles. This is exactly the issue -- the explanation for Islamic insanity (if you'll pardon the redundancy). And as I've tried to explain to ET, this is exactly what the Arab-Israel conflict is about. All other explanations are shams and amount to jihad-enablement and continued Muslim enfeeblement.

Congnitive dissonance on a gartantuan grotesque scale. Get it wrong -- try it again, over and over again, only purer and purer.

Honour/shame addiction.
Zero sumism addiction.
Vile Jew-hatred scape goatism.

It's the I-S-L-A-M, stupid.

MSM left-liberal bias in the MSM? Nah, no, none. What a POS is the MSM/Canadian Press.

Consider this HDS/BDS from the Canadian Press; an outright, baldfaced lie/distortion. MSM smears PM Harper, the Conservative Party, and its members.
Message to CP/MSM: You are despicable. Now you know why we hate/loathe you.
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"although not those who consider themselves Conservatives"
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TORONTO - The vast majority of Canadians - although not those who consider themselves Conservatives - want the federal government to work to maintain a national identity and culture distinct from the United States, suggests a new HarrisDecima poll commissioned by the Friends of Canadian Broadcasting. [...]

National identity distinct from the U.S. important to Canadians: Decima poll
By Lee-Anne Goodman, THE CANADIAN PRESS
http://tinyurl.com/33tepb

h.ryan: No. I've got some others pointing out the failings of the Harper government today.

IAH-NYAH: I wouldn't waste your time. As you can see from her response, logic and connections with facts and responding to points raised are beyond her capabilities. She just continues to slither away from responses and bangs away something at her keyboard in knee jerk response with unsubstantiated opinion... if you can even call that kind of sloppy thinking an opinion. More like a series of words in proximity to each other resembling a sentence. See how you responded with clear, specific facts and doesn't even know how to begin to respond?

Irwin: I don't waste my time over at rabble. Unlike over there, I know that there are some people here who actually think, actually try to connect with the real world and don't drink strictly from the partisan kool-aid bowl. Not many, mind you, but at least some. "Actually, loathing of leftoid idiots like you trumps everything, in case you haven't noticed." I did notice and despite that, I still maintain that there are intelligent conservatives out there and even intelligent and well intentioned Conservatives, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

John West. Co-incidentally, I'm reading Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged for the first time.
I had read The Fountainhead many years ago, but somehow never got around to Atlas Shrugged.
If you haven't already read it, I think you'd really enjoy it.

As to the Hell's Angels cat: well, it's not really freedom he went for but coercion -- through fraud, deception and physical violence. Freedom is only his self-serving schtick. Don't romance the Hells Angels.

$31 million pissed away to manage communication strategies is downright depressing.
Leadership is about leading. Not using party hacks and partisans for 'communication' spending amongst government departments.

I thought the Libranos sucked. Nothing has changed with these guys in charge either.
Our tax dollars are used to manage messages to focus groups.

Better yet - an unelected bagman is the one telling us about it - incorrectly of course.

h.ryan. yes, ted and hypocrite and CPC are the same person. yes, he's talking to himself and answering himself.

That's what happens when someone is an obsessive fanatic. Notice how ted says 'I've got some others pointing out the failings of the Harper govt today". Heh. He HAS them doing his deeds. Why? Doesn't he permit people to think for themselves? His minions, his parrot boys. Or more accurately, him and his selves. You can tell it's the same person by his focus, his verbiage, his 'footprints' in style of posting.

You see, ted is obsessed, really obsessed with hating Harper. Since no-one will discuss this with him in any way that suits ted (he doesn't want facts or logic) - then, he's reduced to talking with himself. Poor guy.

He's a 'slitherer'; I've called him that many times, and now, he's picked up the word! He's using Legal Tactics 101, which is to divert the focus and attempt to slither away from accountability. Namely - his use of two other pseudonyms for his own posts. And he informs us that these two others are under 'his rule'..Heh.

You know, ted, I'd be careful of talking to Other Selves too much. They might begin to use you, and 'have you do their work' for them.

Now, let's forget ted and his various talking selves.

Has Harper changed his mind because of poll results on,

Being though on violent crime?

Having a good relationship with the USA?

Reducing the sales tax?

Re-building our military ?

Afghanistan?

Kyoto?

Even if on some issues there has been some small "re-adjusting" so far the conservatives are still far more principle-driven than poll-driven.

It is one thing to use polls to flip flop in a desperate attempt at staying in power,
and it is another thing to use polls to stay in touch with the average Canadian.

Anyway with the present "climate of distrust" caused by the liberal's Adscam ( and that is the part we know of, for every rat you catch,
there are ten you do not see )

,with the media's microscope on the conserevatives

and the liberal spotlight on every move the conservatives make in the hope they can catch them doing something wrong ( they are failing miserably with the Shreiber story ),

it is impossible that they could ever abuse their power the way the liberals did.

or that they could ever feel entitled to our money the way liberals felt they were.

It may surprise you but even people like me who voted conservative are watching their every move.

I do not have blind trust in the conservatives but
it is pretty much impossible they would do anything remotely as immoral as the liberals did.

Kate:

I don't know if you provide this kind of assistance but if you could be so kind as to verify that the comments coming from "I'm a hypocrite. No, you're a hypocrite!" and "The CPC, rushing to the middle" are not coming from the same IP address as "Ted".

Ms [deleted] is clearly losing it, which is fine and we've seen lots and lots of before, but now she's venturing into libel territory so I think it should be addressed.

[Editors note - if commentors ask to keep their names private, please respect that. I reserve making those calls for myself, as blog owner.]

Friend of USA:

I wouldn't exactly call his poll-driven flip flops on

- climate change

- recognizing "nation"

- recognition of a "fiscal imbalance"

- huge spending increases in Quebec

- record setting spending increases generally

- spending on infrastructure

etc. etc. etc.

to be some small "re-adjusting".

Let's be clear here: I like these major changes away from his pre-election core principles. I like him more and more as he becomes less hardcore conservative, and moves to the middle. Even though I disagreed with him back when he said he was principled, but I did have more respect for him then.

The irony is that now, as he reveals he's more conniving shifting Chretien than straight from the hip man of principle, I'm more likely to vote for him, I respect him less. Funny that.

Hey don't you use site meter, Kate?

From the daily Kos article you posted:

"My source was right. The SiteMeter numbers are indeed fishy. But the reason is far from nefarious: a design flaw in how SiteMeter counts visits that systemically overcounts unique visitors on extremely high traffic blogs like Daily Kos… by a lot.

First of all, I looked at the Detail view showing the last 100 visitors. Overwhelmingly it showed visitors hitting the site only once, with a visit time of zero (you need to hit a second page for it to register any time spent). Contrasted with my traffic, with an average visit length of three minutes, this seemed highly improbable.

Then it hit me: SiteMeter only accounts for the last 100 visitors individually. On a site like Daily Kos, the 100th most recent visitor could have been 15 seconds ago. If you are the 101st most recent visitor and you click on a new page, you are counted as a new unique visitor in SiteMeter’s all important count. On a normal site, this wouldn’t matter, since it’s highly unlikely you’ll stick around long enough to have 100 others show up after you. On a site with hundreds of thousands of page views a day, it’s extremely likely you will. "

"But alas, here at SDA, partisanship trumps conservatism"

Posted by: I'm a hypocrite. No, you're a hypocrite! at December 5, 2007 1:28 PM

"Actually, loathing of leftoid idiots like you trumps everything, in case you haven't noticed." I did notice..."

Posted by: Ted at December 5, 2007 2:27 PM

- Or rather, 'I'm a hypocrite. No, you're a hypocrite?'

- Sybil?

".....it is pretty much impossible they would do anything remotely as immoral as the liberals did."

Impossible is a wrong word to use with politicians dude.

I do agree that things are slightly more aligned with principle under the Conservatives.
but $31M shot on polling tells me that they're humping the calculus of managing communications, and messages.

I may be old fashioned, but I think that politicians should be accomplished individuals, whose vision and leadership allow them to articulate and create the nation the population strives for, and demands.

This view doesn't permit a way to piss $31 million into loosely connected partisans and communications firms so that rather than simple fact, a professional and state of the art communication strategy can be formed to generate support for an announcement or policy.

Because what this activity is....is how a good business can prosecute an effective campaign against competitors, or to induce spending by customers.

My issue is that government IS NOT business, and thus not effect expeditures of taxpayor cash into government propaganda.

Because that sir/madam, is the sole purpose of such spending.

It is propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less.

And I don't like my taxes being used to produce it.

I like it when Kate ignores the button pushing.

Practical Conservative Party answers to

Open Letter Re: Kyoto debate from..
Sixty scientists call on Harper to revisit the science of global warming

Conservatives introduce..
New legislation leading to the Flex-fuel standard for all vehicles sold in Canada.

This standard will give rise to a national network of E-85 and M-85 fuel retail outlets and provide direct competition pressures for lowering gasoline prices.

Canada example: 49 cents vs. $1.05 per litre USA 93 cents vs. $3.10 per Gal.

New tax incentives to encourage production and marketing of PEVs, [Plug-in Electric Vehicles.]

90% of new cars sold in Brazil are Flex-fuel and can run on Ethanol / Methanol fuels. A sudden gas shortage will not disrupt the country as it did in 1972/73.

If Opec were to reduce gasoline prices in order to compete, then Flex-fuel car owners are free to buy the lower priced fuel of their choosing at any time.

Clean Coal Gen-plant retrofits and Oil-Sands expansion to be addressed soon.

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=3711460e-bd5a-475d-a6be-4db87559d605

==================== = TG

ted - one basic ethical standard of the blogosphere is that one refers to posters by their blog name. Never, ever, do you have the right to move outside of that privacy mode. I hope that is legally clear to you, ted.

You just blew blog ethics 101, ted.

And if the various hypocrites etc are not you, then, why are they under your stated authority'? (I've got some others posting'...). Do you seriously have a set of people whom you order to post what you want them to say???? Sheesh. Now, that's Authoritarianism, isn't it?

Is hardboiled you as well? Wow.

And nothing I've said is even remotely close to libel. Try again. You are back to Legal Tactics 101, which is to divert by slithering, changing the focus of attention and personally attacking.

The fact that you vote for people whom you don't respect - well, that's your problem.

The dippers are now going after conservative MP Moore for allegedly having a screensaver of scantily=clad women on his laptop. They are screaming about the objectifying of women,violence against women,the eve of the Montreal massacre,etc.I'll bet that soon they will demanding a pubic inquiry to look into the matter.

@Ted:

First of all, Ms. Edwina does have a point. It's possible to be principle-driven and yet spend lotsa $ on polls (leaving aside any jokes aimed at Allan Gregg.) The polls can be used as a check against unveiling principled positions that will be unpopular.

Are you a political junkie of long standing? If so, then don't you remember the 1993 fallout from Mulroney chugging along with approval ratings at 10-15% in the mid-to-late '80s? He, presumably, thought that it wouldn't catch up with him - that he could keep pulling out ye olde rabbit from his hat come election time - but (at the very least) Kim Campbell couldn't. It's more realistic to conclude that Mulroney's brand of detachment from the polls finally caught up with the PCs in '93.

It's also realistic, though perhaps not accurate, to conclude that Stephen Harper wants to avoid the same blowout through blowback.

Perhaps this analogy will make things clear: Assume that a stock market player publicly abjures speculation. A look at his account shows that he buys a lot of options. Is he a cunning hypocrite...

...or are those options being used for hedging? I dunno, and can't know until I get my mitts on the details.

One more point, although I almost hate to "pull at your beard" on it. Saying that "partisan" is opposed to "conservative" is a fast one that I'd like to endorse, but I really can't. In my experience the only people who muster true non-partisanship are either practice-over-theory monarchists or radicals of one sort or another. History or Theory.

Sol has no surprises. He is The Weatherman with the One Eye in the Sky; He is always correct.
Keep your eyes on Him.
...-

Can the Sun Save Us from Global Warming? (Low Sunspot Activity)
Belfast Telegraph ^ | 12/5/2007 | Dr. David Whitehouse
[...]

"Ever since the sunspot cycle was discovered, researchers have looked for its rhythm superimposed on the Earth's climate. In some cases it's there but usually at low levels. But there was something strange about the time when the sunspots disappeared that left scientists to ponder if the sun's unusual behaviour could have something to do with the fact that the 17th century was also a time when the Earth's northern hemisphere chilled with devastating consequences." [...]
"It might even be the case that the Earth's response to low solar activity will overturn many of our assumptions about man's influence on climate change. We don't know. We must keep watching the sun." ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935183/posts

[deleted - ED]

Implying that I am lying to Kate's good readers here is libellous ET. Plain and simple. Defamation law 101. And I say that not to threaten you - because I have no intention of suing you - but to get you to desist. It is insulting on a different level than your usual childish name calling.

I come here and debate and rankle and get rankled and poke and be poked and learn and sometimes even praise and educate, and I do so under my own name and - other than a couple of lapses... and when dealing with you I suppose - I think I do so fairly civilly. So I've no reason to lie to readers here as you imply. So just grow up and leave it. m'kay?

Ted:

If you know someones identity, keep it to yourself. That is the absolute ethical minimum requirement.

Libel: Surely you jest.
First: nothing libellous has been said.
Second: how do you libel a anonymous person?

I've been coming here for 2-3 years. Yours is the worst ethical transgression I've witnessed.

BS, Dhimmi. If someone wants to keep their identity anonymous, yes, I agree. If someone uses their real name in public inthe blogosphere they can't claim it's some violation for others to use it (eg, it is no ethical violation if you start calling me by my full name or Kate's for that matter). The grey area, I suppose, is those who use it and then change their minds. Maybe that's what ET has done. Now we know.

The 31 million is peanuts compared to what the Libral goverment gave away. Paul Martin gave 8 to 9 billion to Ford and GM to enhance thier fuel hybrid cars the year he was in. It was supposed to save jobs in the Canadian car manufacturing plants in Ontario. Just what did he give Quebec at that time. Merle Underwood.

Now, now, all...everyone just take deep cleansing breaths.

And no, thank you very much - I AM HARDBOILED.

I have no affiliation with anyone else here - thank you very much.

And I think SDA is a blog about and for conservative (me, I'm a libertarian ;-) opinion and news.

The last thing I want to see here is frothing at the mouth partisans.

While they exist everywhere, they add nothing to reasoned, informed debate. And in fact are only another layer of bull to get through.

There is enough of that in the world as it is.

...The dippers are now going after conservative MP Moore for allegedly having a screensaver of scantily=clad women on his laptop. They are screaming about the objectifying of women,violence against women,the eve of the Montreal massacre,etc

If every man who has ever looked at or kept an image of a sexy woman became a violent wife beater or rapist because of it, then about 90% of all males on the planet would be. ( and yes Muslim males visit porn sites too, not sure if I kept the link but numbers are out there somewhere I have seem them )

Latimer denied parole because he would not apologize for his actions.He has served more itme for an act of compassion than most gangbangers do for cold-blooded murder.It's a shame.

Wally just another drive by, Moore could have been shopping, sunshine girl who Knows what he was looking at But parliment voted on have laptops in the House. I really think it is time for another election to try & get these 3 ring circus clowns out & get back to the business of running a country. There is too too much mudslinging that has to stop & maybe it is time the speaker calls in the whips & lays down the law.

BTW: Can anyone answer this question, Why was there a vote in the HOC today RE: charter of rights & propety iam not really sure what this about.
thanks

Wally i agree it is time Mr Latimer went home, When we see this Loyal Opposition crying foul because the Govt won't plead for cold Blooded Murders on death Row. Yet they say nothing about this case.
Yes Mr.Dion it is time for an election one that will finally rid this country of bleeding heart activist who's only interest is protecting the criminals.

I repeat, ted, you violated a basic blog ethics. I don't use my name as a poster, but initials. The fact that you've searched it out, is your problem; you have absolutely no right to post my name in public. That's my right. The fact that you and others use your full name as your blog name, is your business.

No, suggesting that someone is lying is not libel. It's my opinion, and I have the right to state it - although I didn't even use those terms.

wallyj - I'm very sorry Latimer didn't get parole. The sanctimoniousness of that parole board, requiring an admission of 'guilt' before they will release The Sinner is disgusting. Latimer has said, repeatedly, that he won't accept guilt for stopping his daughter's suffering. I agree with him; allowing someone to exist in agony isn't an act of charity but of evil.

ET, I'm done with you and this phantom issue. You used to use your real name over at The Shotgun. You've changed your mind. Fine. Let it go now, dear.

And don't bother with the law stuff. It requires reading comprehension and is clearly beyond you.

Ted:

You have a huge problem with logic. I may choose to reveal my name in one venue but not in another for any number of reasons, i.e., the sensitivity of the subject matter, job security, whatever.

Heh, maybe you think because people sign cheques they should be outed in a anonymous venue?

I would state for the record that I am not Ted, except that it would convince exactly no one who's minds weren't already made up.

Daniel M. Ryan: "partisan" is opposed to "conservative"

I meant partisan to mean sticking with whatever the Conservatives do and say, whereas conservative (small-'c') meant sticking with whatever that political philosophy/ideology stands for. I'm not saying they're opposite, though they are two distinct stances.

To Kate: to preserve ET's anonymity, you may wish to bleep the first sentence of Daniel M. Ryan's 3:42 PM post as well.

ted - you are slithering again, changing the focus and, in true Liberal fashion, trying to blame the Other. You know perfectly well that you can't excuse your ethical lapse and blame it on me.

If I post as 'X' on Y-blog, then, you have to refer to me on that blog as X. If I post as 'B' on Z-blog, then you'd have to refer to me, on that blog, as B. Simple.

I'm glad that you 'would state' 'for the record' that Ted is not = hypocrite, and yes, I'm not convinced by the statement. Particularly since you are NOT stating it, merely suggesting that you might do so, if you would do so.

And since you won't state it, then I'll continue my belief that the two are you are one. The 'two of you' are remarkably similar, with similar semantic tone, use of words, terms, same use of hyphens, same use of paragraph spacing. Oh, and the same insults and sneers. Very similar.

bryanr - yes, it's quite something to see that the Liberals go all soft about Smith, who murdered two men in cold blood, and do nothing for Latimer, who did what he did, because he couldn't stand to see his daughter continue to exist in agony.

Can you imagine if this was a picture of Stephen Harper throttling someone?? I wonder how the media would have handled that!!

http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/000420.html

"The old media, however, is not grateful. The continuing decline of their reading and viewing audiences is partly due to Americans turning away from their repeatedly exposed sloppy and biased reporting."
...-

The Inside Story Of The SwiftBoaters Finally Told
Democracy Project ^ | December 5, 2007 | Bruce Kesler

This is the most important book you’ll buy this year: To Set The Record Straight, How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, by Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler, with Forward by John O'Neill.

Not only will you learn the inside details of the only book – Unfit For Command -- that ever decided a presidential election but, especially for those who have any doubts, you will learn about how the peoples' democracy can still work in the United States.

For those inclined toward political science, the book is an important contribution to understanding how political mobilization actually works and to seeing how the major media lost its Delphic grip on America's political fate to the remarkably democratic new media of the Internet. Vietnam veterans took it away.

As John O’Neill says in his Foreword to the book,

How the Swiftees, POWs and other Vietnam veterans circumvented the media and reached out to the public is a story that has profound implications for future political campaigns and news reporting….

…Honor, Loyalty and Patriotism…These values were able to rouse hundreds of Swifties and millions of other veterans from their deep political sleep of 35 years. The blindness of our opponents can be accounted for only because such values are rare and often considered laughable among Kerry’s operatives and media allies. These values are neither rare nor a subject of amusement among most Americans. In 2004, they changed the course of history.

Fellow blogger Lorie Byrd credits me with knowing more about the SwiftBoat story than any other blogger. She’s correct, as far as that goes. I founded the Vietnam veterans organization in 1971 that John O’Neill joined to confront John Kerry’s fabrications. I was very active in the 2004 Vietnam veterans campaign for truth. I’m friends with all the Vietnam veterans and others who led in the 2004 campaign, that in a post-election MSM op-ed I dubbed, “The Revolt of the Vietnam Veterans.” (These are described in the book.)

But, there’s someone else who knows more about the 2004 Revolt, Scott Swett. I learned much about the Revolt from this book that even I didn’t know. So will you. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935358/posts

One hundred, seventeen years (117): 1890-2007.
Let it snow, let it snow ...-

Portland [ME][USA] ties 1890 snow record

PORTLAND - The first major winter storm to sweep across Maine this season was farther out to sea than expected, reducing snowfall totals, but there was still plenty of the white stuff to clean up on Tuesday, officials said.

Portland tied the record for the date set in 1890 with 8.5 inches of snow on Monday, according to Bob Marine of the National Weather Service. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935332/posts

Teacher ... James is drawing pictures again.
Yes, Irene. Now STFU.
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Mathyssen expected to withdraw accusation

New Democrat MP Irene Mathyssen is expected to withdraw a bizarre accusation against Conservative MP James Moore -- that he looked at provocative pictures of women on his laptop in Parliament.
Moore told Mathyssen the images were of a friend. ...-

Comments are now closed for this story

sean
Get a life-

Can politicians please concentrate on running the country instead of what their opponents are viewing on their lap tops please.

I personally will never vote for any politician who plays these games to try and cause a scandal instead of doing their jobs. Unbelievable.

bruce nicolson
this is getting embarassing! How can we continue to send people like Mathyson to our countries parliament?We handcuff schrieber and fight to bring back khadr.The leftwingers in this country are downright scary.

Jan
The Opposition members must be getting desperate. It seems a bit rich to pick a Conservative member out of so many in the HoC.
The NDP is especially apt to look for anything they can dream up to hurl at the Government members.

Rick Long
This is ridiculous mud slinging on behalf of the NDP.

Are these left wingers the types that believe in internet privacy and freedom to pornography?

I doubt their is ANYTHING legit about this Dipper's complaint.

The latest polls are showing the Mulroney-Schrieber inquiry is not hurting the Tories, so I guess they think this will hurt them.

This would only concern the moral voters, who would never consider voting NDP or Liberal in the first place...-
http://tinyurl.com/3839eg (ctv.ca)

What hysteric madness is affecting the Opposition Parties? Is it the coffee? The air? They've totally lost all interest in what we are paying them for - to govern the country.

Instead, they have fallen to the bottom of the tank, snarling and howling at each other, focused purely on partisan politics, on drive-by smears, fallacious allegations. Schreiber-Mulroney; and now this?

Mathysson, in her noble attempt to uphold the sanctity of women, informed us, that Her Vision enabled her to see the laptop screen of an MP across the floor. A fellow Liberal supported her, and voiced her support against the 'objectification' of women. It now turns out Her Vision was wrong. But she's already smeared the MP.

Why did she bring it up in the House? Why didn't she bring it up personally to the individual? Was her agenda partisan, rather than any anger about The Sanctity of Women?

Something that bothers me about these noble MPs, is their constantly informing us that their actions are due, not to their own reasoning, but stem directly from the wishes of Canadians and/or their constituents.

We are informed, without a blink or wink, that "I'm discussing this in the House, because Canadians want/do not want...." How do they know this?

Or, "I've received so much mail on this from my constituents, and they all want me to do X".

While his opponent in the House informs us that he too, has received 'so much mail' from his constituents, and by golly, his set of constituents want him to do the opposite! Heck, it's amazing how these MPs have 'the right sort' of constituents who always write to them to do whatever that MP planned to do anyway.

[By the way, on a final note for the day, ted, even on the Shotgun, I posted as ET.]

ET: And since you won't state it, then I'll continue my belief that the two are you are one.

And maybe you'd be right!

Or maybe you'd be wrong!

I guess you'll just never know!

Mwahahaha! MWAHAHAHAHA!

[Sorry, Ted, but it's becoming more fun to just screw with ET's head than to try to "prove" anything to her. This way everyone's happy. She has her suspicions "confirmed," and everyone else gets to witness just how obstinate and ridiculous she can be.]

Citoyen Dion, le mangeur de hotdog, forgot to pay. There is a pattern to this eat-and-skipper.
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Stephane Dion's Unpaid Invoice: 90-Days Overdue
Dan Cook, today at 4:41 PM EST

[Copy here]

Page 1 of 2: Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's overdue 'food service' invoice from the House of Commons / Parliamentary Restaurant Services. Final total owing: $2,032.88. Image courtesy of our friends at Mike Duffy Live (CTV). Video to follow...
...- http://tinyurl.com/3c3oxb

Flashback:
Dion event in Nova Scotia no dine and dash: Liberal organizer
Blue_Nose in dine and dash fiasco!

Canadian Press
HALIFAX — A Halifax student has experienced the public scrutiny of politics first-hand after he was accused of skipping out on the tab for an event he organized for Liberal leadership candidate Stephane Dion. [...]

e admits he drove away and forgot to cover the bill, which he paid later over the phone. But he said he was shocked when a story ran in a Montreal newspaper and was picked up by The Canadian Press.

Mr. Hebb, who is pursuing his MBA at Saint Mary's University, is on the executive council of the Nova Scotia Young Liberals.

He said he was nervous driving around “a potential prime minister” and he made a mistake.

“I left and I did not pay. I realized that when I was driving away, so I was waiting until I got to my destination to call because I didn't want to call when I was driving Mr. Dion around.”

The restaurant staff tracked him down first to ask about the unpaid bill.

Pub manager Renee Nicholson told La Presse that the group of 10 left behind a bill for $123.

“We had to literally hunt them down to make them pay,” she told the newspaper, adding that the tip was only $6.50.

But Mr. Hebb said he paid $130 for the tab and that it was $113, not $123. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/2wf3q7
(canadaka)

MPs question incoming Bank of Canada Governor. Our boy Garth stays right on topic:

"While the MPs cannot override the appointment that goes into effect on Feb. 1, they could at least dig into his past and delve into areas of potential philosophical differences between him and outgoing governor David Dodge.

And some MPs tried, particularly Liberal Garth Turner, who repeatedly attempted to get Carney to admit he was behind the government's Halloween surprise last year to tax income trusts."

http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/05122007/2/biz-finance-don-t-peg-loonie-u-s-dollar-says.html

Just in case anyone cares... That dipper complaining about Moore's PC art has apologized. It was his girl friend photo.

No one has explained just what she was doing eavesdropping on another MP's private business yet!

I say she deserves censure for that!

taliban jack would be outraged and calling for a resignation over such an error. "can or cannot the prime minister control his ministers, I am OUTRAGED and so is my come along wife" Jack spat into the microphone " outraged beyond ---- anything even Ed Broadbent could be outraged about"

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071205/photo_allegations_071205/20071205?hub=TopStories

CTV(tass) All Liberal , All the Time ,

who actually gives a rats bahouki about the liberal womens groups? other than Tass

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071205/divorce_act_071205/20071205?hub=Canada

the Dr. Suess of canajun politics. the fat cat in the hat.

Stephane Dion's Unpaid Invoice: 90-Days Overdue
Dan Cook, today at 4:41 PM EST

as his aid said.

"I left and I did not pay. I realized that when I was driving away"
I will not pay, I will not pay , nay nay I will not pay,
and Stephane he will not pay,
he will not pay , he will not pay,
the taxpayers now they must pay ,

yeah yeah, they will pay , yes they will pay,
stephane he will not pay ,
and france she will not pay,
and quebec she will not pay,
nay nay they will not pay ,

but the rest of canada , they will pay ,
yes they will pay,
they will pay,
with izzy money they will pay ,
the working stiff he will pay,
the hoi polloi ,yes they will pay,

mssr Cretien , he will not pay , he will not pay,
Karl Heinz Schreiber , he will pay , he will pay, from his own pocket he will pay,
but not the justice, he will not pay , he will not pay.

butt crack out , he will not pay,

brian mulroney , he takes the pay , he takes the pay, three hundred kay, he takes the pay,
but do the work no nay nay nay,
take the pay , but make no hay.

the way it works in Canaday.

Taliban Jack Layton-NDP's ruse/ploy has backfired. The ploy was to shift attention away from property rights.

What is the motive for this from Taliban Jack Layton-NDP? It's a calculated ruse/dirty trick to shift the focus from this*; the MSM, in Canada and worldwide, have played the whole episode up for the left and changed the focus to "porn". Now, it has gone worldwide; the NDP-Taliban Jack have harmed Canada and Parliament.
Mr. Harper, dissolve this Parliament. It is dead.
Go for your majority now.
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(abcnet australia)
MP 'caught looking at porn' in Parliament
Posted December 6, 2007 11:41:00
A Canadian MP has been accused of looking at "soft porn" on his laptop computer during an evening sitting in Parliament.

New Democrat MP Irene Mathyssen said there was "an image of a scantily clad woman in very flimsy lingerie" on the computer of Parliamentary Secretary for Public Works James Moore. ...-
http://tinyurl.com/379gzx

*This:

Breaking: Motion on inclusion of property rights in the Charter

Now being voted on.

Result: Defeated.

* Note: There will be more on this later and I’ll link. I’ll add that James Moore was just accused by an opposition member on a “Point of Order” of looking at a “scantily clad women” on a laptop in the house and is highly offended. We’ll see where this goes. The Speaker wants no part of it.
* Update: Here it comes…
* Update: Video…
* Update: Nothing so far on the Charter vote but here’s what happened. A member introduced legislation that would ammend the Charter to include the right to own property. There was a vote and it was defeated by the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc. Conservatives voted for it. No surprise I guess but we now know where the left stands. Their underwear is showing.
* Update: Why Property Rights Were Excluded from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
* Update: Harper, Martin spar over property rights
http://jacksnewswatch.com/2007/12/05/breaking-motion-on-inclusion-of-property-rights-in-the-charter/

Soon it will be Dec. 6th across the country. For the signifigance of this, google 'gamil garbi muslim'.

If you feel inclined to voice your opinion on Latimer's denial of parole to the gov't,write to NichoR@parl.gc.ca,. In Calgary today a man ,Vuthy Kong, was arrested and charged with weapons and drug offences. He was also recently convicted and sentenced for manslaughter for a 2002 slaying outside a bar,slicing a man open in the belly and then stabbing him in the back as he fled. Does anyone else see a problem here?

@I'm a hypocrite. No, you're a hypocrite!:

All right, I got confused regarding the poster's indentity. Mea culpa.

Nevertheless, it's a cheering contrapointing.