maybe Whoopi doesnt relate to slavery, because like Obama, she might not be regarded as a real negro or african american.

Oh, jeez, the utter and total ignorance of both of them, is...well, it's disgusting.

They ignore, totally ignore, the sentence of 'stoning or lashing'. It's not even in the tiny hollows of their minds. Nope. The only thing that they focus on is that it's her fault because she upset THEM, because she didn't know THEIR customs.

Hey, when THEY come over here, and say that we shouldn't have piggy banks because it upsets THEM - do we tell them to 'cool it; you'd better learn our customs'?

When THEY come over here, and inform us that if they are driving the taxi, we can't transport our liquor purchases, because it offends THEM - do we tell them to 'cool it, you'd better learn our customs'?

Do we tell them to learn our customs? Do we? Or do we instead, fall all over ourselves apologizing to THEM, because we actually do have customs here. And have lived with them for centuries.

No. Instead, these ladies of the MSM tell us that WE are the ones at fault.
What about the Directors of the School quietly telling the teacher, that even though the child named the bear after HIMSELF, it wasn't a good idea.

Think. It was the child who names the bear. Hmm. Doesn't he know that he's not supposed to do that? Shouldn't the school authorities scream 'Death to the Child'?

By the way, apparently the real complainer was a contract teacher who was not rehired; she was angry at the school. Many parents came forward in support of the teacher. And, many Muslims in England, in the US, in Canada, did the same. Of course, the rabid ones will always use any excuse to scream Death To The Infidel...As they did.

And, did any feminist groups say a word? A whisper? A squeak?

I wonder, if and how much, money was paid as a bribe to the Sudanese govt to grant a pardon. Was it simply the case that it was made clear to them that they were making fools of themselves in the modern world? Or was it the usual case of Money Exchanges?

As for Whoopi and Behar, two stupid, ignorant women.

Maybe you have to be over-the-top stupid to be a co-host of The View. They have a pretty good track record of hiring stupid people co-host that program. Got to wonder what the average IQ is of the people who watch The View.

and I say we just as European and American, we’re not as anxious to learn the customs before we go places. --- Whoopi Goldberg

And those covered Muslim women that come here and their husband who refuse to let them out of the house, did they learn our customs?

Liberals are so stupid, words escape me.

I wonder where it says in the "cultural handbook for Infidels" that it's a sacrilege to name Teddy Bear Mohammed. Or should she have known this "custom" already? Heck, the kids obviously didn't know. Why are feminist types like the View crowd so eager to rationalize this outrageous behaviour. Relatively speaking, if someone walked into a church with their hat on, I guess lashes would be appropriate, right ladies? Not!!

I don't understand the left. The propagate victimhood, then blame the victim. And yet they think SHOOTING is a weird sport? Sheesh.

RG

How much money do these girls get paid for their 13 yr old conversation? (And, I apologize to any 13-yr-olds reading this as it shows you have more brains than this panel.)
I really like this bit: "I performed stand up in Turkey, and they gave me a big thick packet on the customs, and what you could and could not do, and how you would offend people."
Do you Canada and the U.S. could start handing out these packets?? Anytime soon? And who would scream the loudest if our governments did??
God, aren't they pathetic.

you just can't fix stupid.....

You think these feminazi's are whacked, you should go read babble, and see what our very own Canadian feminazi's take is on it. You want a good puking session, hook up to babble, and be ashamed that those stupid whining cows are the same gender as you.

"Relatively speaking, if someone walked into a church with their hat on, I guess lashes would be appropriate, right ladies? Not!!"

Ok, the Legion I can understand but churches?! I was always under the impression women DID cover their heads in church, with a scarf or whatever?
Being of the MOT persuasion you can understand my confusion...

...if you walk into a legion with your hat on, the punishment is that you have to buy everyone in the legion a beer.

I keep looking for the hat guys, hoping to catch one.

One can't help but wonder how Sherri Shepherd's stand-up routine was received in Turkey.

Presented to whom?

In what language?

"A camel went into a hookah parlour. The proprietor asked,'How come the long face?'"

Thanks for this Kate.It took me 15 minutes to stop laughing.Didn't know the customs? The teacher spent 15 YEARS there.Wonder how Whoopie would feel about being a nubian slave? Wonder how the rest of them would feel about being dead for wearing their whore outfits?
Mind you.What does it say about us that we allowed this pseudo-movement of fembots to go so far?

That's a fine example of people not in touch with the real world and sure as hell are the last people to be spouting off about current affairs or politics. They are the types the Liberal Left love to put up front for comments, it's all about flash and dash, no substance in their world.

Whether they're as stupid as they appear or simply ignorant is up for debate.

Yes, bone headed, feminist hypocrites: they and their politically correct fellow travellers are everywhere, e.g., I was in a Canadian school today which had big displays of Diwali, Eid, and a Menorah. Yes, there was a Christmas tree and Santa, both of which I love. However, neither has the religious significance the other three do. And which group of the four would be the one that built the West and made it a place of refuge and freedom for the other three? (Of course, the Jews are part of the foundation of the West.)

I can’t imagine Whoopi being the least bit “uncool” about the huge disparity here and the fact that, to use her words to blame Westerners who travel to other parts of the world, immigrants to the West “are not . . . anxious to learn the customs before [they] go places”.

With the craziness of the left in full flight and lionized in our decrepit MSM, it’s sometimes hard not to abandon the Christian virtue of hope. (The subject, BTW, of Pope Benedict’s new encyclical.)

Kyrie eleison.

By extension, one can only assume Ms. Goldberg's culturally relativist "View" extends as generously to the Sudan's widespread practice of slavery.

Oh Kate, forgot the practice of genital mutilation. Perhaps we can get comfortable with that too !

Too bad these caustic fembos weren't as sensitive to western culture and religious ways and stop trashing their own nation/culture.

What do you call a sanctimonious nihilist with a microphone?

A) A stand up "comic"

B) A women's "issue" activist

C) A Sharia apologist

D) All the above

I wonder what these View fools think of Rosa Parks. Mrs. Parks knowingly broke the law; purposely and deliberately broke the law. Somehow, I don’t think these View fools would chastise Rosa Parks for not following Alabama customs and laws in 1955.

I saw Whoopi on Politically Incorrect With Bill Maher years ago, she was discussing a trip she had taken to East Germany in the early 80's.
Maher asked her if the people there were happy under communist rule, she said yeah, they seemed to be, they had never known any other kind of life.
One of the other guests asked if that same logic would have applied to the slaves picking cotton.
Then the strangest thing happened; Whoopi shut the hell up.

its just not the Sudan.

http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/SaudiArabia.htm

saudi officially outlawed slavery in 1962,

hajib or kirpan, they shouldnt be allowed on the football pitch.

Just to expand on Kate's point about the Sudanese slave trade ( Which the Whoopster seems to remain blissfully tolerant of), the International criminal court has a warrant out for the arrest of Sudan's "minster of humanitarian affairs" for his hand in the kidnapping and slavery of some 11,000 children and 8000 women who were pressed into servitude and sex slavery markets.

So, Teddy bear beheadings is just the tip of the rotten festering cess pool this country has become at the hands of 7th century Muzzie degenerates.

I think you guys are missing the point. I mean, I visited the middle east and there are some very natural mannerisms that Westerners have that are culturally insensitive. One such example is showing the bottom of your foot to someone by crossing your legs when you sit in a chair. I don't find it offensive, but they do. I wouldn't be arrested or anything for doing that in Jordan or Egypt, but it would look bad on me and who I am representing: Canadians. My actions in the mid-east will shape the way that some of them might view ALL Canadians. And we do the same when foreigners come to visit Canada, our experience with them shapes, in one way or another, our world view and our opinion of their cultural/ethnic grouping.

The woman who named the bear Muhammed was an idiot for doing so. Should she be put to death or imprisoned? Absolutely not! Is it okay that Sudan has those kind of extreme laws? No way! However, she was on their turf and if you're going to interacting with people there everyday, you ought to know the cultural ins and outs.

This is not like Rosa Parks. The woman who named the bear Muhammed did so out of ignorance, Parks was making a political statement. This British woman was just walking blind in a society which she SHOULD have head her head above water. Sudan isn't Italy or even a MODERATE Arab nation like Jordan or the UAE.

To use Parks as an example is to suggest that Westerners should go over to the mid-east or Islamic nations and disrespect their laws and cultures in an effort to make them more like our own.

I'm not going to be the first one to do that. Maybe you people would like to be the first ones on board a plan to Egypt where you'll show the bottoms of your feet to everyone. Will I be surprised if you get into trouble? Nope. Should you get in trouble in the first place? Well, what ever happened to national sovereignty?

You know it is creepy that the feminist would defend such a sickening oppressive cult. No doubt in my mind they would be the first in line to embrace islam, if forced to. Not just because under their bravado they are cowards, but because they know we would fight for them. That pisses me off most, their disregard for others, who may not agree with their idealogy, but who would defend those weak useless bitches.

Why would Whoopi be concerned about slavery in Sudan. After all, it's Arabic Moslems enslaving Black Christians or at least the one's they don't kill. You see, slavery is only SLAVERY if it's whites enslaving blacks. It seems people of color kinda get a pass.

GOLDBERG -- in that part of the world, people are animals -- or there is no difference...Get used to it ok !

The Sudanese learned something a long time ago.

“the Mahdi had Gordon's head put on a spike after his forces took Khartoum at the end of January, 1885. ….. It wasn't until 1898 that the Brits were ready to show Allah's boys what an Anglican can do when he's had a little time to rehearse. So on September 2, 1898…: 60,000 Islamists amassed all in one place, facing automatic weapons and massed artillery….. maybe half had firearms, mostly old flintlocks mixed with what they'd looted from Gordon's men. The rest were carrying spears. The battle turned into a sort of geometry exercise, with Brit field officers mainly trying to arrange the Maxims' fields of fire the way you'd set up sprinklers to get maximum coverage of a football field.

At the end of the day, somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 Mahdists were dead vs. a total British KIA of 48.

If you want to know why insurgents today use terrorism instead of "fair fight" stuff, that's why. They tried it, and it didn't work out all that well.”

-The War Nerd

"GOLDBERG -- in that part of the world, people are animals -- or there is no difference...Get used to it ok !"

Yeah triple whammy there in Sudan for the Whoopster..Jewish name, atheist infidel, unrepentant insubordinate female...definite slave material or for the sword.

I thought the clerics teach that Jews could be either pigs or monkeys but you can't have a stuffed toy called Muhammed....and infidels haven't the right to life, but they mist be given a chance to covert? Hmmmmm

Psssst: I thinks these guys are making this crap up as they go...ya know kinda ad-libbing the ol' Koran. I mean when you take the role of god;s profit's mouth piece ya gotta lot of leway to make yer own rules up ;-)

RCI - the woman did NOT name the teddy bear; the children wanted to name it after the most popular boy in the class, who happened to be name “Mohammed”. She went along with them. And, apparently, a school administrator complained about the “outrage”; and the violent fools who were screaming for her death were government workers. So, like most things in Muslim countries, the whole thing was staged.

And, RCI, when you are in the ME, what do you do with your dirty, evil left hand. Would you touch a Muslim with your left hand? Would sit with your left hand against one of your Muslim superiors?

And using Parks as an example says nothing abut Sudan, or any other country. I used it to point out the hypocrisy of the View fools. I am sorry it was over your head; but please read a little more closely, and perhaps you will understand what is written.

BTW, what about Muslims respecting Western countries and THEIR “national sovereignty” when they come to the West? As you can PLAINLY see, Muslims do NOT respect any country’s national sovereignty; on the contrary, many Muslims expect THEIR customs to respected and “celebrated”.

read carnage and culture. the west wins by all out overwhelming destuction. the arabs with small pokes and schirmishes do not fare well.

http://www.amazon.com/Carnage-Culture-Landmark-Battles-Western/dp/0385720386/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196809469&sr=1-15

If I put my brain in a jar and get stuck in the corner of a round room, can I be on the View also?

I want to use the "C" word to describe these idiots but I don't want to be banned from this site.

I've never seen the program 'The View'. I'm not even sure where to find it. Is it on the Comedy Channel?

[quote]GOLDBERG: Yeah, because you’d think if you’re going overseas, I mean, we had this discussion yesterday about people coming to America and learning the customs and knowing what is cool, and what isn’t cool. But I find that maybe we are not- and I say we just as European and American, we’re not as anxious to learn the customs before we go places. It’s just one of the reasons we’re called the ugly Americans [/quote]

I hate to defend the "VIEW" but what she said is a FACT. The State Department does provide a Packet on the comflicting Customs/Laws that should be avoided or you become "The Ugly American"

You are reading a way.... way to much into an innocent conversation.

BTW: They have a packet on Canada.. that nobody reads.

@RCI, 5.33 "I think you guys are missing the point....there are some very natural mannerisms that Westerners have that are culturally insensitive."

But, ipso facto, my culture is superior to their culture. Consider a more appropriate response to the howling dogs baying for the blood of an innocent, as in the following historical parallel...

"A British district officer, coming upon a scene of suttee, was told by the locals that in Hindu culture it was the custom to cremate a widow on her husband's funeral pyre. He replied that in British culture it was the custom to hang chaps who did that sort of thing."

D*mn straight.

I love to trash talk Islam as much as anyone but this case was not about Islam. Britain insulted the Sudanese leadership and this was the Sudanese leader's way of appearing magnanimous. The Islamic rent-a-mob were just patsies in this whole affair.

As for Whoopi and her kind, the less said the better.

A recent survey in Canada asked the following question:

Are there too many foreigners in this country now ?

Answer:

18% said: YES

82% said: معهد الأمن

Joe - the Sudanese don't have leadership, they have masters.

The State Department.. my mistake in not been clear. "THE US STATE DEPARTMENT" provides the information packet.

and I have no comment on the other "Substance"

Well no doubt now it will be posted at all internationl airports that whatever you do, don't call a teddy bear mohammed.

Who in the name of allah, would have known that the muslims were that insane?

They make the rules up as they go along. A fatwa death wish list that would reach to the moon. They are barbaric idiots.

Great post, Kate. Puts some focus on the ignorance (including my own) of supposedly learned people that care about human rights. This isn't about a justified response to intolerance. It's about keeping enough paint in the can to white wash away the red blemishes that keep on bleeding through the walls the media builds around the truth.

Wow!! No wonder Rosie fit so well on that show. That these feminists, who would claim to 'stand up for women' would take this situation and spin it into an 'Ugly American' statement is really scary.What is even scarier is that they have a cult-like following that hangs on their every word.

Even if it was found to be offensive to Muslims to name a teddy bear Mohammed, would the purported punishment still fit the offence. Punishment is suppose to fit the so-called crime, and the Muslims' reaction to the British teacher allowing a teddy bear to be named Mohammed was 'insanity at its finest,' and it doesn't matter if the British teacher should have known better or not.

Muslims may hold Mohammed in high esteem, but I'm not going to, and the only reason any non-Muslim would tolerate this nonsense is because they'd fear the nutjobs lopping off their bloody heads. Fear is a great motivator, and it is Muslim nutjobs' greatest weapon.....and they know it.

We still have the tech advantage but are losing the propaganda war.

“the tabloids published Gordon's dispatches from besieged Khartoum, … this uppity bastard was actually stage-managing his own martyrdom in the London press, …..Gordon could send his stories because the British gunboats controlled the Nile…..Gordon's carefully worded stories of his heroic last stand were hitting the pavement in England, setting the mob howling for a relief expedition .. … For the Brit public Gordon's death was like Custer's last stand and 9/11 rolled into one. The papers were howling for a revenge …..”

- The War Nerd

"I think you guys are missing the point. I mean, I visited the middle east and there are some very natural mannerisms that Westerners have that are culturally insensitive."
Like, you mean, the time I was on an Air France plane returning from a Battlefield and Cemetery Tour and, like, sat beside two Muslims who were fed before me, so their plates wouldn't touch my plate - like, or what? Like, their food was no different than the choice of 2 meals we were all given, so I was, like, offended. But, like, I smiled my Canadian best, and said, like, Bon Appetit.
Is that what you mean??

It an unspeakable outrage and an abomination that the Sudanese should punish an englishwoman for allowing a bunch of 7 and 8 year-olds in her class to name a teddy bear after the prophet.

What the hell are these madmen on about!

Obviously, its the children who should be decapitated. They are the real culprits.

Kate, that's one of the best posts you've ever composed.

Ms. Shppard's comments sound dangerously close to the 'she should have known she was going to get raped, going out dressed like that' style of thought, no?

Stan: Absolutely perfectly said. Kate, you should add this to the post:

"I saw Whoopi on Politically Incorrect With Bill Maher years ago, she was discussing a trip she had taken to East Germany in the early 80's.
Maher asked her if the people there were happy under communist rule, she said yeah, they seemed to be, they had never known any other kind of life.
One of the other guests asked if that same logic would have applied to the slaves picking cotton.
Then the strangest thing happened; Whoopi shut the hell up."

amazing!

Ask Whoopi how she feels about the Sudanese fixing a woman's genitals without anesthetic?

A charming bunch.

My neighbor has got a big hog barn with those damn pigs running wild all over. Guess what I've named the buggers that end up in my yard? But they are more fun to watch and twice as smart as those hogs on the view.

I would love to see that package about Canada provided by the State Department.

What does it say, avoid saying you voted for Harper or you will be stoned in the marketplace. Don't watch CBC or you brain will rot. Make sure you cover your face when you vote?

Stupid bitches.

"The View" = "where nincompoops gather"

The commentary from this show is so half-witted, it wears me out just
thinking about it.

A plebiscite, of sorts, took place in that classroom where the majority of
students decided upon the familiar name "Muhammad" - the median name in most
european maternity wards. Those 2nd graders likely never had it so good as to
attend a class tutored by that British teacher. Another loss for the young Arab
mind in that part of the world.

As a word in defence of these stupid bitches, don't forget that they are of the old hippy-cum-socialist philosophy that "it's all relative, man".

And of course it is, unless it's happening to you or you've forgotten your history or that you think "human rights" are the sole domain on spoiled Western female suburbanites.

Yes, of course, it's all her fault.

Now if she had tried to receive an abortion but was unable to...

You thought you had seen everything on appeasing the muslims. GB is truly over the edge.

OVERWORKED nurses have been ordered to stop all medical work five times every day to move Muslim patients’ beds so they face towards Mecca.

The lengthy procedure, which also includes providing fresh bathing water, is creating turmoil among overstretched staff on bustling NHS wards.

But despite the havoc, Mid- Yorkshire NHS Trust says the rule must be instigated whenever possible to ensure Muslim patients have “a more comfortable stay in hospital”.

Liz J, I have to disagree that it's "all about flash and dash". Nice phrase, little meaning. Rather like the left's approach: "Nice pose, little substance".

For the left, it's all about feeling the pain of victimhood and paying penance. A rather Christian tradition I believe, though the left will explode their heads if you tell them this :-)

Go on, go ahead and tell them :-) I do.

It is women like those that help me understand a bit more about the rules of Islam. There may be gays closeted in Islam, but there are no Whoopies and no Rosies and that's for sure. That makes sense to me in some perverted way.

In case you think Behar is just an inocuos women.

"BEHAR: Scheduling conflicts. What, are they all at a Klan meeting at the same time?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: All right. That was "View" co-host Joy Behar, making offensive remarks about Republican presidential candidates. Did her comments go too far?"

How can anyone really get worked up over what the women on the VIEW say on any matter? Going to the well of vacuousness and inanity for what purpose??

It's like willingly stepping in cowshit once you've done it by accident. You know that it sticks to your shoes and stinks.

How can Whoopee and company possibly ignore this treatment of women in Islam.

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/videos/108/the-violent-oppression-of-women-in-islam/

Goldberg, isn't that a Jewish name?

G'day, Wimpy - hows things over at Tim's place? I'm more at home with the roadkill these days.

The womyn on The Phew aren't worth a post. They contribute nothing of value to anyone. Just a bunch of overly-extroverted chickens cackling for an hour.

So Sherri whatever got a big thick book on what to do or not in Turkey (which has a secular guvm't btw). Did she actually read the thing?

The IQ level of that show dropped in half when Elizabeth went on maternity leave. not that she was overly profound or anything but her common sense factor ran rings around the rest. I've seen Whippie several times on The Factor and although she is often out in left field, she usually a bit more sane.

btw, in some places and with some people simply being an infidel is reason enough to lose your head. Try to logically justify that?

Of course these people show absolutely no understanding for evangelical Christians, and their customs.

What we're seeing here is a cultural Stockholm syndrome. I imagine that as the Roman Empire fell, folks were saying "those barbarians are just misunderstood. If we only respected their customs, they would leave us alone".

Has anyone noticed that many of the most bloodthirsty,rabid individuals who were demanding the execution of the teacher were of course,all men, but also african in appearance.Darfur is in the Sudan,is it not, and the ethnic africans are being either enslaved or exterminated by their arab brothers.Quite a paradox I would say.

I have read the Qu'ran and (surprise!) Teddy bears aren't mentioned anywhere in it.

I daresay that the British teacher knew a lot about Islam. But she couldn't have anticipated a newly minted "age-old custom".

I can safely say that Whoopi and her deskmates are amongst the ugliest Americans I've ever seen.

What amazes me about this story is that after Rosie O'Donnell leaves the show, the hosts' apparent cumulative IQ can fall.

I think Whoopi was left speechless today on the View when Sherri said that the Ancient Greeks could have chosen to follow Christianity. When Whoopi tried to explain that Christ wasn't an option at the point, I could have sworn I heard Sherri say he was. Normally, Whoopi tries to correct such blatant ignorance, but I swear, she was struck dumb today.

(Kate, I don't know where you got the transcript, but today's hot-topics was even better for idiocy. There's a comment at watchingtheview.com about it.)

It occurs to me that they have to say stupid and outrageous things otherwise who would bother to listen to them? On the other hand they might not have the intelligence to say anything other than stupid and outrageous things.

RCI,

just like Whoopi there is something wrong in your argument.

If people should learn the customs and respect them before going to a foreign country then Muslims who come to the west should know that a lot of what they do is totally unacceptable if not illegal in the west.

We do not treat women as inferior.

We do not wash our feet where other people brush their teeth.

We do not block emergency exits to pray five times a day.

We eat pork.

Don't you think Muslims should know about our customs and should not use the courts to force us to adapt to them?

Just like Whoopi you lecture us on what is right but you give a pass to non-westerners.

Just like Whoopi and too many others you always blame the westerner and never the Muslim.

Only Westerners can do wrong.

I do not know if you are dishonest or stupid.

but I know people like you make me sick.

Gteat piece Kate. Very entertaining. Better than watching any news show. Thanks people for links and different opinions. I learn more off this blog site than they ever taught in school or talk about in everyday conversations. Merle Underwood.

A quote from Muhammed Ali after the "Rumble in the Jungle"." I am so glad they threw my great-grandfather on that boat".

Wimpy, the Liberals would go for someone like Justin Trudeau or any well known media person to put up front as leader ahead of anyone with more qualifications on the substance side. They prefer a well known face to spew the snake oil.
They were off their game when they picked Howdy Doody.

Agree the Left do feel our pain, they project it well, that pain you feel in the neck or lower down radiates from them every time they speak.

Muslims expect Kaffir to respect their prophet. They enforce this expectation with the always present threat of violence and death.

It's morally and intellectually dishonest, if not impossible, for anybody with even a passing knowledge of who the historical Mohammad was and what he did to show respect. Because he, more so than any other historical figure, deserves nothing less than absolute contempt and loathing.

Dante got it right by placing him at the very centre of hell.

This is the intellectual and moral disconnect between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Mohammad was the most vile human being to ever infect this planet. His spiritual progeny, armed with his book, have spread his disease and infected this planet ever since.

This fact is veiled and enabled by the deceptive cloak of religion.

Remove the veil of religion and Islam quickly crumbles in the light. Truth and reason, with a heavy dose of ridicule and shame defeats Islam. Respect and tolerance helps it flourish.

Friend of USA - Wow, the best part of right wingers is the way they engage in a discussion with respect and intelligence.

For the record (if it's even needed) the actions of the Sudanese government and the extremists who were calling for Gillian Gibbons head are dangerous fanatics. Period.

Should naming a teddy bear Muhammed in ANY society be worth a death sentence? Absolutely not!

HOWEVER, when you are in a country where religious intolerance and fanaticism is rampant, you MIGHT want to keep your head up.

When Muslims come to Canada or the USA they don't have to adhere to all of our cultural mannerisms and norms. That's the beauty of the West - we're inclusive. The problem with the ME and many Islamic nations is that they are not. So if we're going to go over there, we ought to do what we can to respect their customs because it is not only good for our reputation and representation over there, but good for our own selves!

In your rebuttal to my post you said that in the West we eat pork and they do not, and when they come over here they ought to act like us - and that's my biggest problem with your argument. If we start forcing others to assimilate with us then we are no better than they are. We have a duty to be respectful and they have the same duty in our culture. That's why you don't see Muslims in Ontario picketing outside of a hog farm or brewery. (But oddly we have heard of fundamentalist Christians blowing up abortion clinics...)

You said, "Only Westerners can do wrong."

And I'm saying, nope. There were two wrongs in Gibbons case. One: she was unaware of the ramifications of naming a teddy bear Muhammed when she should have been able to put two-and-two together. Two: Sudanese extremists were blowing this way out of proportion and should be held accountable in Sudan for their intolerance of someone's mistake. The bottom line, how could this have been avoided? Gibbons would have just thought a little about naming the bear Muhammed and said no and that's that. This whole thing would have been avoided. I don't care if she's British, French, America, Chinese, Turkish or whatever - you ought to have forseen that this might be seen as idolatrous. And if you're going to apologize for her, then that's your position.

OMMAG.
I would have liked to join in a disertion on these women. My liberal (NDP) spouse has the show on. I also like the history lesson from Cal. I have the book "The River War" the reconquest of the Sudan, by a 24 year old Winston Churchill. "Steady in the ranks lads".

Since I have perfected the Christmas light display and started on the driveway, I am exhausted. Your post sums it up. I have not stepped in a cow pancake for many years.

Dog doo is one heck of a sticky substance. That is appropriate also. That old Joy Behar is something. I would love to see her running off with an exotic muslim.

This T-Shirt is kind of inflammatory, but I gotta admit, I laughed.

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a1011/a1011_bm.gif

"We have a duty to be respectful and they have the same duty in our culture. That's why you don't see Muslims in Ontario picketing outside of a hog farm or brewery. (But oddly we have heard of fundamentalist Christians blowing up abortion clinics...)"

"We" have no such duty. Respect is earned. Certainly, any non-Muslim with even a cursory knowledge of Mohammad, his actions and sayings, cannot respect Islam. You would have to respect a pedophile, a thief and a mass-murderer in order to respect Mohammad.

I have seen Muslims in Toronto marching in support of Hezbollah, which is worse than picketing a hog farm. The Muslim Students Union - after accomplishing their task of turning a U of T campus pub, Halal - are now attempting to stop it from serving alcohol.

As for those hordes of "fundamentalist Christians blowing up abortion clinics," would you like to share with us the actual total number of times this has happened? And what the death tally is?

And then, perhaps, compare that against how many people Muslims have murdered, oh, in the last week, or so?

@sshole.

"We" have no such duty. Respect is earned. Certainly, any non-Muslim with even a cursory knowledge of Mohammad, his actions and sayings, cannot respect Islam. You would have to respect a pedophile, a thief and a mass-murderer in order to respect Mohammad."

And I'm the asshole?

Are you going to put up with this bigotry Kate?

Irwin, let me clarify my statement that you had such objection to: We have a duty to be respectful towards other cultures when we are living/visiting them (like when you go to Great Britain or Uganda or India) and they have the same duty in our culture (Canada, USA). Or don't we?

And for your information there have been over $13 million in damage caused by violent anti-abortion groups since 1982 in over 150 arson attacks, bombings, and shootings in the United States. That might not be to the same magnitude as Hezbollah or Chechnyan rebels, but the violence based on feelings of moral superiority and general intolerance of others is similar in both contexts. Or isn't it?

"You would have to respect a pedophile, a thief and a mass-murderer in order to respect Mohammad."

Yeah, I'm the asshole.

"You would have to respect a pedophile, a thief and a mass-murderer in order to respect Mohammad."

"Yeah, I'm the asshole."

Pedophile:

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead.

Mass Murderer:

As stated in the Bukhari (Hadith), the Quran and elsewhere, it is a fact that Mohammad personally gave the orders and oversaw the beheadings of 600 to 900 non-combatant Jewish men above the age of puberty, after the battle of Trench. Afterwards, he commanded his men to take the women as captives and slaves, showing them, personally, the finer points of rape.

It is also a known fact that he gave the order to Murder two poets in Mecca. And hundreds of others, in either battle, or assassinations.

Theif/Brigand:

He also personally was involved in over 70 battles where he and his terrorist army were the aggressors. Most of these battles were based on raids to secure land, goods, slaves and profit. He personally retained one/fifth of all the plunder. He wrote this in the Quran (in order to have allah justify and condone his right to plunder and his percentage).

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You make assertions based on zero knowledge. As you've proven on this thread. Obviously you know nothing of Mohammad's life as stated in their own texts, the Sira (bio of Mo), and the Hadith (actions and sayings of Mo). What I said is fact. If you have knowledge to the contrary of their own writings, I'd certainly like to see the evidence.

Otherwise, I'll accept that you've agreed on the description of your character.

BTW, your moral equivalence argument is a sign of a very weak mind. It is not rational.