Is Sudan part of Ontario?

the five feet of fury has it exactly.

the MSM , especially CBCpravda is like a horse with a twitch, they can only report on one thing at a time. the best thing about the taser story is that it gives us a break from global warming.

Can't say I totally agree with Kathy's social darinism and Malthusian bent on the Sudan, but there is a clear and present danger to western civilization from bad ideas... and ideologies and movements that condone or apologize for narrow minded militant theocracy.

...the Canadian media seem to lead the way in promoting every errant ideology or apologizing for every undesirable foible in the human condition..Perhaps it is the media elite who broke Canada's IQ bell curve and got us ranked 24th in international IQ below France and Portugal ;-)

As for the Sudanese...if they are indeed prone to accept self-destructive theocratic militarism, they are really their own worst enemies...If we resign ourselves to Kathy's proposed social darwinist theory, this "threat" will naturally cull itself out as natural selection seeks to rid the gene pool of maniacal half wits willing to sacrifice their life to bad ideas....no need to "nuke" something that is naturally devolving.

It's mindboggling. One wonders if being steeped in the Islamic rejection of reason in favour of revealed dogma atophies the brain.

Think.
First, the admonition against 'images' of Mohammed applies only to followers of that religion. It's a bit illogical to insist that non-believers accept this axiom. I haven't noticed that Catholics insist that non-Catholics attend mass or baptise their children. However, let's let that pass..and move onto,

Second - IF this axiom against naming an image after Mohammed is valid, then, does naming a child Mohammed 'pass' because the child is human? So, you can name a human 'Mohammed' but not an object. What if the child is a thief, murderer and so on? Irrelevant?

Third, what if this child names his teddy bear, not after Mohammed The Prophet, but after Mohammed Himself, ie, the little child? What's wrong with that? He wants to show his love and connection between himself and his teddy bear; so, they share the name.

And fourth and first, the whole scenario is so irrational, so, frankly, evil, that it's beyond comprehension. The only word for this mindset and this behaviour - is pathological evil. It's outside of reason, outside of what it means to Be Human. Asking us, the West, to 'understand' this is unreasonable. There is nothing to understand, and everything to reject.

Y2Kyoto: Politics Ends At The Swim Up Bar: "For what is a man profited, if he gain the Liberal leadership, and lose the world?"

Careful, Kate. If you adapt Scripture and lampoon Islamofascist crackhead idiots, your leftist detractors will probably add SoCon to the litany of your sins, infidel Crusader woman.

How do test someone's IQ if she or she can't read? Wise up guys! I would dare anyone to go down to the bible belt in Texas, Louisianna, Arkansas etc. etc. and depict Jesus as a Teddy Bear. You'd have crosses burning on your lawn the next morning.
She (teacher) got 15 days in jail, then she has to go home, where she should have stayed in the first place. You want to play the bleeding heart, you have to be willing to take a few bruises. It's another CBC-Radio Canada media circus.
I have a cousin who's a missionary. From scratch, He built a village, complete with irrigation, power and telphone.
He was jailed for 60 days for "hoarding diesel fuel." He was in possession of four drums of fuel for the village lighting plant. (20 HP Unit that was donated by the Japanese gov't.)
He accepted his fate. His reply was; "When in Rome, do as the Romans." So now when the lights go out, they simply wait for the next truck.
It's hard for Canadians to fathom such archaic thinking. But but my cousin did have a choice. He could stayed in Saskatchewan, and driven his F-150 to the church every Sunday, where the lights and the heat are always on.

No, no, that idiotic theory that Kathy referenced, which correlates GDP with IQ is pure nonsense.

Think - can you even have a country with a population whose 'average IQ' is either 'retarded' or 'borderline'?? Of course that's impossible; if the majority/average had that inability to think logically, they'd be unable to live without external (parental, caregiver) assistance. The theory, outlined by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen is rubbish.

After all, that would mean that if you moved from a high GDP country to a low one, your IQ would drop. And vice versa. And since when is a political value (country) correlated with a biological value (IQ)?

So, the theory is rubbish. But, the axioms of screaming 'kill her' because one of her students named the class teddy bear after himself..and he is named Mohammed - now, that reveals a pathological mindset.

I like the idea on Kathy's blog. Someone should do a video showing a teddy bear being beheaded.

I've had enough of narrow-minded North Americans!

I'm moving to Sudan ..... my wife won't go so there will just be me and my dog Mohammed.

Starvation and low protein diet are hell on intellectual development. 'Nuff said.

What I found the most interesting was Canada's ranking at 24th with a 96 average. I guess that explains our "Natural Governing Party".

Syncro

"And fourth and first, the whole scenario is so irrational, so, frankly, evil, that it's beyond comprehension. The only word for this mindset and this behaviour - is pathological evil. It's outside of reason, outside of what it means to Be Human. Asking us, the West, to 'understand' this is unreasonable. There is nothing to understand, and everything to reject."

ET,

You kkip the first three items. These fanatics have already been analyzed to death. You have it right in the fourth item. That is the only message that we need to continue putting out there. The whackos in the Islamic world must be shunned and watched closely. Killed when the opportunity presents itself.

To try to negotiate or make sense with these folks is like trying to talk to very drunk people. Their brains are not in gear and appear to have shrunken under the heat of those rags they insist on wearing in the African sun.

A John Deere ventilated baseball cap might serve to raise their IQs significantly. Perhaps that's what we should be supplying to them instead of money to buy guns with.

"...they'd be unable to live without external (parental, caregiver) assistance."

ET, it's called colonialism, the White Man's Burden, foreign aid, CIDA, fair trade, you name it. Whether it's called for by the UN, Pope John Paul II or any other entity, it amounts to the same thing -- they can't live in acceptable conditions without external assistance.

remember when CBCpravda ran the national IQ test and the top was beer drinking,red wine drinking, red meat eating , middle aged men born in the summer. I thought the results were spectacular.

I would dare anyone to go down to the bible belt in Texas, Louisianna, Arkansas etc. etc. and depict Jesus as a Teddy Bear. You'd have crosses burning on your lawn the next morning.

I realize it's not exactly the same, but just in case, these guys should stay away from the Bible Belt:

http://j4tb.com/tbm/index.htm

Since we all know Louisiana is just as bad as Sudan. (Especially that notoriously pious town, New Orleans.)

This guy has a good take on Islam and Muhammad. Sure he's obviously atheist too, but it's a good read all the same:

http://rebel.onestop.net/noallah.htm

One excerpt:
" Mohammed and his Koran have made the Birthplace of Civilization into the Land of the Muttering Retards."

No wonder the IQ is 72. Even that may be on the high side.

charles macdonald. No, the suggestion that nations have 'national IQs' is pure rubbish.

The peoples living in these areas managed quite well before the 'white men' came to colonize them. After all, you are ignoring how they lived, with their posited low IQ, before colonialism ever took place! They were fine - their economies were hunting/gathering, pastoral nomadism and non-industrial horticulture. All of these require skills and knowledge that aren't available to a below average IQ.

john West - the message we in the west need to make clear to Islamic fundamentalism is that we reject it, we won't interact with it, we won't collaborate with it. We will, however, work with, collaborate with, Islamic non-fundamentalists. And there are more and more of them in the Islamic world. The old guard religious fundamentals are trying to hold onto power...

Not to disrespect ET or anything, but I have to say I find this entire affair very reminiscent of the WTO rioting in Seattle and Quebec City. Politically motivated scumbags egging on their useful idiots in the streets.

Just switch Mohamed for Gaia and there's no difference at all, except for Sudan having more idiots. Maybe.

To Cal2: I thought it was 40 year old women who use Duracell batteries in their vibrators who "scored" the highest!!

BCer, that would be a widow making move, first time you say Mohammed, sit, both you and your dog Mohammed would be decapitated in short order.

Agree, the Sudan is no place for humanity, they're worse than Jungle animals by far.

When the subject of the religion of Islam is raised we hear a million different interpretations of the Koran from apologists/followers of it, the good the bad, the freaking insane.
Absolutely, the insane Islamics must be dealt with,by whatever means necessary to keep the world safe. Talking to them is like talking to programed robots.

Those who live among us are subject to our laws outside the realm of their Mosques, thankfully. Thankfully also putting Sharia law into our Constitution has been rejected and must continue to be.

"All of these require skills and knowledge that aren't available to a below average IQ."

Are you sure, ET? Hunting or herding animals and growing garden greens isn't rocket science. None of the enumerated activities require an average or above average IQ. You also romaticise how well they did without our tutelage.

I am not entirely convinced on the IQ of nations thing. Not enough information on nature/nurture and other factors.

I can see one way how it could happen . Take a population, look at changes of IQ over time then correlate it to out migration of its "smartest" members. In Canada you could study this effect in native reserves. Over time the smartest natives have had to leave for higher education and job opportunities. The remaining reserve populations IQ averages will then naturally decrease. Sudan and Africa may have the same problem - the best and brightest have left for the West.

Canadian public school teachers aren't given the literal lash nor are they literally imprisoned.

However, in a culture of intimidation and dogmatism—therapeutic society: irresponsible people (the worst students and their families) can't help it and get every benefit of the doubt, while teachers are entirely expendable on the hearsay evidence of the most jaded, street savvy miscreants—Canadian teachers are every bit as vulnerable.

Though this foreign atrocity has some resonance here at SDA and in the MSM, the plight—yes, it's that—of Canadian teachers (and Educational Assistants) is generally ignored both here at SDA and in the MSM. Teachers are altogether intimidated by the arbitrariness of the gulag in which they now work. To look sideways, to challenge, in any serious way, the behaviour of a difficult (minority, bad ass) student is considered a subversive act and punished accordingly.

So, by all means heap scorn on the Sudanese idiots responsible for the present atrocity.

But realize, that, right under our noses, under the radar, Canadian teachers are held to ridiculously stringent, politically correct dogmas. In the face of the most flagrant double standards and horrendous behaviour—student and administrative—teachers are not only required to remain silent—speak out: “You’re insubordinate”—but are terrified of being punished, as they assuredly are (I could cite many examples), if they stand on principle and actually hold difficult students to account. (Every school has Behaviour Codes, which laud responsibility and courage. Any teacher who actually has the cojones to act on those principles, especially in the most "challenged" schools, is toast.)

I’d like to think that these comments of mine will interest someone here. My experience is that the evil and audacious oppression of educational systems in foreign gulags will engage SDA readers, while the “quiet desperation” of Canadian teachers will be completely ignored. This baffles me as our very future rests on the destructive fantasies of our very deluded educational establishments, where teachers are treated as mere serfs.

Respectfully submitted . . .

Aw.....the guys protesting in Sudan are just Khartoum Characters.

Lookout,

I am a Canadian teacher. I'm not sure I would characterize the whole of "Canadian education" as feeling like we're under assault. In my limited experience, too many teachers are willing to go along with the idea of enforcing political correct opinions. I've heard of kids getting great marks on social assignments titled "Why George Bush is dumb". I've had a few run-ins with colleagues regarding unpopular issues (AGW, the Iraq war, etc). In my (again, limited) experience, I get more incredulous looks from other teachers than anyone else. There seems to be a mind-set that 'some positions are so self-evident, that I don't have to listen to you'. I'm the department 'heretic' (a term I call myself, to keep things light between us) when it comes to discussing AGW among my fellow high school science colleagues. I've got materials that I've shared with them, as well as trying to discuss things rationally with them - so far, I've had very little success even getting them to talk about it, let alone consider my points. Their mind-set seems to be, "if so many scientists are saying that anthropogenic global warming is a problem, it must be so". They don't seem willing to consider the subtle arguments they are swallowing whole: "are all/the majority of scientists really claiming AGW as a significant certainty?"; "if so, is it a significant problem?"; "if so, are the proposed remedies at all effective?"; "since when is science 'determined' by majority vote?".

I agree that teachers are expected to turn out great results, with relatively little support from admininstration (typically the more distant central offices, not the local administration team). But even here, it seems to go back to parents' expectations. In bygone days, parents and teachers worked together on the same team - today it's more difficult to know that we're working together. I can tell parents that their kids need to get their work done on time to most fully benefit - I can't count on parents doing what it takes to make sure it's done at home (ie, give their kids real punishments until it's done properly). In fact, I blame our divorce-friendly culture for a very large percentage of school-related problems. Kids learn to play one adult off another, and do the same with their own parents versus me at times. To finish, I have kids who are habitual skippers, but parents will call in and excuse their absences. School policy will not (generally) allow us to fail kids simply on absences from a course, even though it means that they have not put in the time to learn the material. What we are seeing in Canada is social breakdown, on a relatively large scale. And I don't blame everyone else only (although others share blame in some ways); teachers dig our own holes (in some ways) to earn mistrust too.

I would not hesitate to say that Islam would smother 20 to 30 IQ points easily.

When knowledge brings punishment, it is easy to remain stupid.

phantom- I agree with you. The mindset of a fundamentalist fanatic, whether Islamic or Gaian, is the same.

charles macdonald - yes, I'm sure. And you are quite wrong. All of the economies, such as hunting/gathering, pastoralism and horticulture, require a knowledge base and skills far beyond the capabilities of a below normal IQ.

I'm very sure, for example, that you couldn't survive even a few years on your own in any of those economies. The knowledge base of nutritious foods, poisonous foods, skills of hunting, gathering, animal husbandry and nurturence, grain and plant production, as well as health maintenance, require a knowledge base and reasonings that are beyond the capability of a below normal IQ.

Plus, it is scientifically invalid to correlate a man-made category (a political entity, a nation) with a non-man-made property (a biological attribute, IQ). Can you correlate the city in which you live (a political entity) with the colour of your hair? Or with your IQ?

It is fundamentally impossible for a collective, a society, to operate as a whole, with a below normal IQ. Each collective will have a similar Bell Curve IQ - with a few below normal, a few very high, and the majority as variations of average.

Lynn H. No, biology doesn't work that way. Each new generation would tend towards the average I! of 100. Moreover what these idiots Lynn and Vanharen are stating is that these national IQs are 'inherent'. Not due to anyone leaving!

lookout - I totally agree with you. I taught only in universities and was exempt from the type of behaviour that you describe. I had the occasional student plagiarize, and one or two even try to bribe me - but that's all. It's a different atmosphere in university; you aren't under the regulation of The State.

However, I'm well aware of the mindset of appeasement and victimology of which you speak; all my leftist colleagues were totally committed to 'the student is not at fault; it's their parents or more usually, it's The Evil Capitalist Society'...

That's an enormous problem in our society, this sense of entitlement, this immediacy of blaming Society, and, expecting Society to fix everything. This refusal to insist that the individual take responsibility for their actions. I don't envy you your job.

Interesting comments from the teachers here.

IMO, the problem (in Canada) can be sumed up in one word; TENURE

To Damian P. Tell me about t! My brother lived in Baton Rouge for a spell. People carry a pistol in their glove box to go get a coke two blocks away!! There are so many muggings, most never get reported.

There goes my idea for Sesame Street: Muhammad Monster. I wouldn't know if a muppet monster is a person or animal. Thankfully either one is higher than a woman.

It is about foundational violence and evil in the three main texts of the political ideology called Islam. Not IQ.

The virus has spread throughout all races. The ideology is not rational. It's hate, pure and simple.

As an example, the Sudanese Muslims want to cut off the head of a school teacher because her students named a teddy bear mohammad.

These are the very same people we allow to immigrate here.

Perhaps somebody can enlighten me as to how it is we justify allowing Muslims to immigrate to Canada, and then expect them, miraculously, to change immediately into sentient, rational human beings, who believe in Universal Human Rights and the rule of our law?

Here's an example of the behaviour of Sudanese Muslims in Canada:

TORONTO - A Toronto mosque is telling Muslims not to say “Happy Thanksgiving” or invite friends into their homes for turkey dinner on the holiday weekend.

The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque says to “avoid participating” in dinners, parties or greetings on Thanksgiving because it is a kuffaar, or non-Muslim, celebration.

A two-part article on the mosque Web site says Muslims should also “stay completely away” from “Halloween trick-and treat nonsense,” Christmas, New Year’s, anniversaries, birthdays and Earth Day.

“How can we bring ourselves to congratulate or wish people well for their disobedience to Allah?

Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque previously was forced to apologize for declaring that saying “Merry Christmas” was equal to murder.

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Now, for those unfamiliar with the term 'Kaffir,' let's let a Florida blogging female Muslim explain it:

At Friday, October 05, 2007 6:48:00 PM, Anonymous said…

You live in Florida in the United States and you use the word "kaffir" to refer to the people who live next door to you? I'm not trying to be rude but I'm just curious as to why you would do that...

At Monday, October 08, 2007 5:28:00 PM, abdullah said…

The kaffir (kuffur) are the enemies of islam. They are less than human unless they revert to the one true way. It is acceptable to be rude to them - regardless of where you live, for they are less than us.

At Monday, October 08, 2007 6:50:00 PM, Muslim Wife said…

Muniqaba: I pray we are amongst those who are called through this Gate of Jannah, ameen!

Zainab & Baraka: ameen! Hope y'all are having a great Ramadan and taking advantage of these last few days!

Anonymous: Did I do something wrong by calling a kaffir a kaffir? Anyways, Abdullah explained it well,masha'Allah, but I'll put it to ya like this...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

At Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:43:00 AM, Anonymous said…

I'm hungry.

muslim-wife.blogspot.com/2007/10/whats-so-good-about-fasting.html

Alhamdulillah, A Muslim Wife
Florida, United States

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It seems to me that if you invite adherents of this ideology into your country that you're also inviting in the irrational, insane hatred that their ideology demands. Therefore, killing people for calling a teddy bear Mohammad can happen here.

Shane and ET, I appreciate your comments. Yes, there are go-along-for-the-ride teachers--many in the elementary panel of which I speak: they're much more subservient than high school teachers, and many because of intimidation. (I'll concede that too many are just complacent and/or not very intelligent or knowlegeable: "I'm OK, you're OK" is certainly too prevalent in the educational culture. Despite this, we're all prey to the administrative wolves.)

With due respect, ron, your tenure proposition is much too simplistic. Who do you think appraises teachers? The gulag supervisors. Teacher appraisals are very political and, IMO, it's the best who are treated the worst by toady administrators who despise both principle and excellence.

"I would dare anyone to go down to the bible belt in Texas, Louisianna, Arkansas etc. etc. and depict Jesus as a Teddy Bear. You'd have crosses burning on your lawn the next morning."

Someone with this level of bigoty should not be condemning social dawinism.....particularly when you're swimming in its hubris yourself.

"...require a knowledge base and reasonings that are beyond the capability of a below normal IQ."

The fact is, ET, that people with average or below average IQs do perform the tasks you think so mentally taxing, and with some success. As a biologist, it should occur to you that a good hunting dog might have more value to human survival than an extra 40 points of IQ. And no, breeding your best hunting dogs together and culling the rest doesn't require high IQ: farmers of all intelligence levels have used the technique on their livestock for thousands of years.

All of the skill and knowledge to which you refer is normally accessible through a magical invention, the "extended family."

"...a non-man-made property (a biological attribute, IQ)..."

Some argue it is a matter of cultural knowledge; others that IQ measures nothing useful. Undoubtedly you have seen the IQ tests designed to return average scores for ghetto blacks -- questions such as "What are boxcars?" and "How long should you soak cheap chitlins so they don't taste rubbery?"

"...scientifically invalid to correlate a man-made category (a political entity, a nation) with a non-man-made property..."

Try correlating IQ with the prevalence of starvation and a low-protein diet in the political entity or geographical area, as suggested by The Phantom. But then that implies that the noble savages aren't doing so well after all...

These clowns in Sudan are only showing up for the protest because the sh*tbag imams and mulahs whipped them up for it.

My tolerance was pretty much used up when the mullahs started acting like the whole world should shut the f*ck up and do what they say.

This goes back to the Iranian putsch that saw Komehni returned from exile (at least for me) that useless inbred cracker preacher Carter should have let the CIA help the Shah by assassinating the lunatic and a few more.

If anyone wants to stop this BS start by silencing the preachers of hate.

(For the record, we have a lot of Hispanics in this area of the country, quite a few who bear the first name of Jesus. On the other hand, a toy goat (with the implications of Satan and so on) named Jesus might be an abomination unto the Lord, and might not ever make it out of the parking lot of the toy store :-) )

Holy crap . I sure hope you didn't cut the head off the last one for sale on E-bay .

"I would dare anyone to go down to the bible belt in Texas, Louisianna, Arkansas etc. etc. and depict Jesus as a Teddy Bear. You'd have crosses burning on your lawn the next morning."

I have no doubt that there are thousands, if not millions of Teddy Bears (Ossos Teodores?) named Jesus is Texas - given the immigration demographics it is almost a statistical certainty. I also know that when a very lifelike depiction of Christ was placed in a bucket of urine, the main complaint was that the "art" received government funding! I'm sure you could find a few crazies down in the bible belt if you wanted to - just as you can find crazies in every town on earth, left, right, red green etc. The difference is that in Sudan, Saudi etc the crazies seem to form the majority of the population AND run the governments (at least it's representative....).

On the study - while I'm sure it is possible, there are way too many assumptions involved for me to want to hang my rhetorical hat on it. Also, while intelligence (or intelligence ceiling) is certainly biological to a large degree, IQ is a tested result that can be significantly influenced by eduction, nutrition, parents, social influences etc - a usefule measurement when dealing with folks from the same meta-culture, not so useful for the third world. Finally, I have no doubt that a person with an IQ of 80, sharp eyesight and good training from birth could be a very sucessful hunter-gatherer. It's not rocket science, it just takes certain learned skills.

Nemo2 -- you rock !!

Aw.....the guys protesting in Sudan are just Khartoum Characters.

The application of reason creates an apostate. That's why Mohammad and his followers were and are notorious for killing intellectuals and artists.

From the blog of a Canadian based former Muslim:
(well worth the read, though, my apologies for the length and spelling mistakes)

"My name is Tayyab,Aziz. I was born,9 November 1945, in Panjab,India which was partitioned by the British in 1947 into India and Pakistan on religius grounds.

Being born in muslim family, I became citizen of Pakistan. In 1974, I came to Canada as Landed Immigrant and became Canadian citizen in 1978.

When I was young, I was a devout muslim but as I grew older I started to have problem with God, Islam and muslims who,now I believe, are ignorant and illtolerant.

Islamic belief is based on rewards 'swabs' and punishments 'sins' and the objective is to collect more 'swabs' than 'sins' to pass The Judgement.

Failure to practice mandatory items, praying or fasting in Ramadan, will result in automatic collection of 'sins' but one can collect 'sins' by simply quetioning.

For example reading Quran is 'swab' and not reading Quran means no 'swab' but if one quetions as to why? one is collecting 'sin'.

One can tranfer 'swabs' but not 'sins' e.g. one can,after reading Quran, say that 'swab' of reading Quran go to so and so dead or living.

The idea that questioning the rules will result in collecting 'sins' not just discourages questioning but also instils terror in a muslim child who grows up to be ignorant and illtolerant.

Quran is believed/claimed to be a book from God, Allah, and brought to Mohammad by angel Gabriel and Bible's new Testament was written by deciples and followers of Jesus.

Therefore, Quran's claim, that it is a book just like the previous book(s), is false and I started to think about and question all claims made by Islam, Mohammad and Quran.

I started to find that the very claims by Mohammad and Quran themselves prove all the claims to be false.

For example the very claim by Mohammad that he receives messages from God, Allah, through Gabriel makes Gabriel the massenger of Allah not him.

Mohammad tells his followers who were praying loud not to pray loud because God, Allah, is so close He can hear their wispers then claims that he went to a distant place to meet Him.

Many places in Quran it says 'Qala Mosa' meaning that these are words of Moses proving itself that it is not the word of God, Allah, as is claimed by Mohammad.

To make it easy to understand let me say: Qala president Kenedy, ask not what your country can do _ _ _ . Just by putting Qala presedent Kenedy I cannot claim his words to be mine.

Therefore, if Quran itself proves Mohammad's claims false, does it not mean that Mohammad is a false prophet and Islam is a false religion?

Furthermore, Islam's claim of being universal and applicable to all is false because it cannot be practiced every where.

In order to understand one needs to use present knowledge of starwars and aliens living elsewhere in the universe and think of applying Islam to e.g. people living on the Moon where Islamic moon calender gets thrown out the window.So no moon calender hence no month of Ramadan to fast and no hajj and no k'aba, no way to face for daily 5 prayers.

Now let us come down to Earth and go to Antarcta where there is night for 6 months and day for six months so the daily prayer becomes yearly 5 prayers and no way of daily fasting in the month of Ramadan because Quran has specific instructions as to the timing of the begining of fast at dawn and ending at sunset and Mohammad has given specific instructions as to the timing of prayers: morning 'fajr' at dawn before sunrise, 'zhr' after midday when shadow increases one length, 'asr' after shadow increase two lengths, 'mgrb' after sunset and 'esha' after dusk at night fall.

Therefore muslims living in northern countries like Norway, the land of the midnight sun, can only practice Islam if they have changed/modified clear instructions of Quran and Mohammad hence proving themselves that Islam is a fake/false and outdated religion that needs change/modification and hence cannot be divine as they claim.

As a matter of fact, present day muslims with present day knowledge of Earth being round and going around Sun and not the other way around as described in Quran, do not believe what Mohammad and his companions/followers believed that Earth is flat and Sun rises from a pond in East and sets in a pond in West and that, in my opinion, makes them all 'Kafirs'."

Ok their IQ / Intelligence Quotient is only 72

but has anyone taken the time to measure
their VQ / Violence Quotient ?

They must be in the top 3% at the right end of the Violence Quotient Bell Curve !

IQ is not everything you know

I hope someday we become enlightened enough to include violence questions in IQ tests because primitive dark age violent barbarians are people too you know!

( Sarcasm ? yeah I guess you could call it that...)

"I would dare anyone to go down to the bible belt in Texas, Louisianna, Arkansas etc. etc. and depict Jesus as a Teddy Bear. You'd have crosses burning on your lawn the next morning."

Certainly Christians do not call their teddy bears Jesus, well, none I know of, but then again Christians do not name their sons Jesus either. Muslims name their children Mohammed but not their teddy bears. Would it kill Muslims to exhibit a little consistency? Oh right, they kill us.

Islam is the religion of peace!

Anyone saying otherwise will be executed.

I am continually angered at and frustrated by western muslims for their absolute muteness on the worldwide radical islam threat.
I wish some western politician somewhere would have the testicles to stand up and challenge western muslims to solve THEIR own f**king problem.

Just as I would expect the christian community to take action if innocent people were being brutally slaughtered around the globe in the name of Jesus Christ.

As per the IQ stats...read how it was compiled and it is obvious that it is no more than an exercise in'fun with numbers'.

Sad it would be linked to by any reputable web site.

Ah yes, IQ and the Wealth of Nations, cited yet again without an iota of critically pause. This, a "study" that (for instance) estimated the national average IQ of Equatorial New Guinea (IQ = 59) based on the test results of four dozen 10-14 year olds. That this book only gets serious play on certain extremist blogs should tell you something--about both the book and the blog.

I'm particularly struck by this line: "...it falls to me and people like me to risk our freedoms, reputations and livelihoods by being the ones who criticize these savages." That Kathy reckons herself some sort of heroine is both laughable for its inflated egotism and heartachingly pitiable for its deluded sincerity.

holdfast and charles macdonald. Both of you misunderstand the thesis of Lynn and Vanharen. They aren't talking about individual IQ; they are talking about whole population IQ. They are stating that a whole population has, for example, an average IQ of 80, or 72. I'm saying that it operationally impossible. And, that their attempt to correlate a political property (a nation), an economic property (GDP) of a surplus economy, with a biological property (IQ) is rubbish. It's unscientific.

holdfast- the fact that YOU have 'no doubt' that a person with an IQ of 80 could be a hunter-gatherer, is irrelevant. You are confusing the issue; an individual with an IQ of 80, helped along by his 'extended family' could certainly hunt and gather. That's not what Lynn and Vanharen are talking about!! They are talking about WHOLE populations, who ALL have the same low IQ!!!

You obviously have no idea of the skills required for hunting and gathering, the knowledge required for sustenance, protection against the elements, knowledge about the environment, about health and nutrition etc. A society whose members all had IQs of 80, couldn't exist as such. The society wouldn't have ever acquired the knowledge base to teach to anyone!

Again, I don't think you understand the thesis proposed by Lynn and Vahharen. They aren't focused on individuals; they are defining whole populations as all having an average IQ of 80, or 72 etc. The average of the WHOLE population! That's impossible.

Furthermore, IQ is not a nurtured property, therefore, parents can't raise it; it has nothing to do with 'low protein' diet.

charles macdonald - I am not talking about the noble savage thesis, which is equally pure nonsense.

I am talking about non-industrial economies, the no-growth economies, of hunting/gathering, pastoralism and wet and dry horticulture. These all are highly skilled economies that require a great deal of acquired knowledge about the envt, and what you can do in that envt. They obviously require intelligence.

Hunting/gathering is found in envtal areas that can't sustain agriculture (too wet, too dry, poor soil, etc). Eg, the Inuit. Are you going to tell me their IQ, as a group, is in the 80 range?

I reject completely your assumption that populations - and economies - have different intelligence levels. Individuals most certainly have different intelligence levels. But not whole populations. Or economies. Whole populations have intelligence levels that operate as a Bell Curve - some highly intelligent, some unintelligent, and the most, a diverse range in the middle of the bell.

No, ET - just the people running things.

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Nice picture. Everyone in their "Sunday best" for hate lessons at Friday prayers.

Irwin Daisy, you missed this statement, scary and dangerous as they bring their ingrained hatred and violence here. Sounds like the Hitler Youth.

At Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:21:00 PM, Bar Kochba said…

I give you guys kudos for not mincing words. Thats why I respect Hamas as opposed to Fatah; at least Hamas says openly that they are aiming for the Final Solution to the Zionist problem while Fatah drapes themselves as moderates.

Heh, I'd agree with you on that, kate, it's the people running things who have the low IQs. Our Liberal Party in Ottawa is a prime example.

The Sudan hysteria is another prime example, but that's fueled by political and fundamentalist agendas.

But, back to Lynn and Vanhanen's thesis, which is that the whole population of a political state has the same IQ, so, they come up with a list of National IQs. Preposterous. As I said, you can't correlate a non-biological with a biological property.

Just for examples, Canada, as a nation, has a national IQ of 97. Just slightly below average. Ah well. Other countries with the same? Finland, the Czech Republic. The USA is 98 - hmm, slightly below average; how come they win all those Nobel prizes, how come they are tops in innovation?

But, never mind, there's China at 100, Germany at 103!! Taiwan at 104, Italy at 102. New Zealand at 100, Netherlands at 102.The UK at 100.

But, Israel is only 94.

And then we come to the Others. Zaire is 65. Ethiopia is 63. Now wait a minute. By definition, an IQ of under 70 is defined as 'definite feeble-mindedness'. But, how could a whole population exist as such? Answer: they couldn't. I'm sure that some of you will say - but look at how badly off they are! Yes, but that's not due to IQ but to environmental, political, technological and above all, political factors.

Again, a random group such as is found in any population will have a diversity of IQs, with 50% between 90-110. There is NO SUCH thing as a random group, ie, a population, locked into a particular level.

You can get non-random groups, such as Mensa, that admit only high IQs. You can get mental institutions for the 'feeble-minded' below 65. But, you can't get a random population who are all high, or all low. And that's what their nonsense thesis is saying!

"They obviously require intelligence."

They require strong backs and good knees, certainly, but not particularly great intelligence. Life really isn't that difficult, ET, if you deal with the practicalities and shelve the theories. Carl Sagan once remarked (if memory serves, it was in The Dragons of Eden) that creatures that find their world complex soon become extinct.

I would hope that the average IQ of a population severely afflicted by pellagra, marasmus, kwashiorkor or similar maladies would compare unfavourably to the average IQ of an advanced post-industrial nation. If it did not, it would simply be evidence of the meaninglessness of IQ data.

They want the teacher executed by a firing squad...

ok but...

wasn't it 7 year old kids who named the teddy bear?

Shouldn't the kids be executed by a firing squad?

Hey I'm just trying to be a good multicultural westerner and I'm just trying to understand their culture!

ET and Kate, you may be right about political leaders. A medium in Zimbabwe produced deisel oil from a rock and they gave her all sorts of money and land.

"President Robert Mugabe says that, while initial reports looked promising, a team of high-ranking cabinet officials exposed the medium's fakery; the fuel had been purchased from neighbouring Zambia and piped from a hidden fuel tank through the rock."

Gee, we thought it worked, damn. Room temperature IQs here.

LizJ-
"When the subject of the religion of Islam is raised we hear a million different interpretations of the Koran from apologists/followers of it, the good the bad, the freaking insane.
Absolutely, the insane Islamics must be dealt with,by whatever means necessary to keep the world safe. Talking to them is like talking to programed robots."

In that statement you could change the words Islam and Koran to Christianity and Bible and it works just as beautifully.

I would dare anyone to go down to the bible belt in Texas, Louisianna, Arkansas etc. etc. and depict Jesus as a Teddy Bear. You'd have crosses burning on your lawn the next morning.

You wish. For starters burning crosses were historically a KKK racial, not religious, event well back in US history. Want to share with us the last time, the location and the circumstances of one being burned in the US?

For a putz that uses the name "Johnny Jesus", offensive to some for its contrived flippancy and bad taste, you are a piece of work. You know squat about Americans in the flesh, their communities, their attitudes, well, unless the rarified and self-loathing world of Hollywood stereotypes counts.

I resent the use of your moniker "Jesus" because all historic evidence points to him as a tolerant person, a nice guy, not a cheap shot artist, and smart. You are more a Mohammed - intolerant, insular, rude and dumb - kind of guy. Enough said.

I'm getting a giggle out of the mindless debate about IQ individual vs. group. In my life I have had opportunity to talk to men and women with a very high IQ and others with a seemingly low IQ. Yet in many ways the IQ was almost irrelevant when compared with what I call the Wisdom Index (WI). Many people with a high IQ have a very low WI and many supposed low IQ people have a very high WI. A person with a high IQ but low WI is constantly being drawn into passing scams and fads (AGW comes immediately to mind) while people with a lower IQ but higher WI will not fall prey to the scammers.

A young woman was in an situation most people would not like to be in and beside her stood a high IQ young man who immediately began to scheme up a method of extricating the woman from her perceived danger. Beside the young man stood an older man with a higher WI who calmly asked the woman in distress, "You stuck or do you want to be there". Pearls of wisdom I (the young schemer) have used repeatedly in the ensuing years.

I have to remember to refrain from eating when reading Kathy Shaidle or I'm going to have to replace my keyboard!

Joe,

Actually,I have always considered there to be 3 types of wisdom.

Knowledge,Intuitiveness and Street Smarts.

A high IQ accomplishes very little in today's society if your social skills are nonexistent.For that matter,I would rate quality street smarts above a broad base of knowledge any day.

I believe ET,for example,fits that category perfectly.(Sorry ET,but I remember some poster pointing that out about you a year or so ago and have always believed they were bang on.)

Actually, you too can own a Jesus teddy bear.

And it's not even some ironic comment on religion.

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Lookout,
I will pray for the Canadian teachers' strength immediately. And I will pray for the parents of Canadian schoolchildren - that they can lead them to be responsible people.

Yeah.... well I'm going to go crack a beer and thank Christ my ancestors learned how to grow wheat and barley and make soup out of it!

Then I'm going to consider the developments that came along after we decided to plunk down some foundations and learned how to get along and build things.
Then I'm going to give about two seconds of thought to the goatherd peoples and their compelling list of accomplishments.
Then I'm going to thank Christ one more time that I'm not one of THEM!

Cheers!

To "Penny." Hollywood didn't create the war in Iraq, nor does it publish the crime stats. As for my name, I borrowed it from a Mexican taco chef by the name of Jesus Crisp.
Why don't you just key in "KKK" to your Google search bar. It's right there in front of your eyes. God, their addresses can be had online, there's a buring cross right on the screen in front of your Jesus eyes!
You're like all of the other religious wackos. You see what your blinders don't hide!! As a matter of fact, right in front of you on this very page, there are worlds like "I hate muslims," and you're going around judging other folks! You oughta bury your head in a bible so no one sees it! Asshole!

"For that matter,I would rate quality street smarts above a broad base of knowledge any day."

I don't know about ET's "street smarts" and neither do you, but it's pretty pathetic to criticize someone for having a broad base of kowledge. Do you find it confusing? Intimidating? ET has contributed far more to this forum than you ever will.

'Not a bad idea, Brad!

ET - of course we are talking about averages here - that is what the whole study is about. And it has been proven repeatedly that IQ tests, while useful, are not a perfect gauge of "native"
or latent intelligence, since education and culture can raise a test taker's score, at least to a certain point. Since we are talking about whole coutries with lousy nutrition and eduction, the average score is going to be lower.

Someone above asserted that you had to be smart to be a hunter-gatherer, and I argue that is not true. You need certain skills, but they are not particularly corelated with intelligence. A primitive society in which the average IQ is 80 would still have some smart folks with higher IQs - but their genius would be 120 instead of 140 - and 120 is plenty smart enough to be one who figured out how to drive the buffalo off a cliff.

teddy - you've listed three categories: knowledge, intuitiveness and street smarts. You've said that I fit 'that category' perfectly.

Unfortunately, you didn't state which 'that category' you were referring to. Even more unfortunately, you don't know me and to describe someone, whom you don't know, heck, that's pure magic!!! So, are you a magician?

charles macdonald - I suggest that it might be constructive to learn a little about other economies before you continue to make your quite ignorant assumptions about their ease or difficulty. You obviously don't know anything about what is required to subsist in a non-industrial economy. It requires as much brains as in an industrial economy.

Illness is not caused by low IQ; the fact that western society, unlike the hunting/gathering, pastoral and horticultures (about which you obviously know nothing), suffered from TB, smallpox, cholera, influenza - was not due to the low IQ of the Europeans. The current diseases of cancer, diabetes, etc, etc. are not due to low IQ.
The diseases now affecting African nations, are not due to low IQ.

IQ isn't differentiated among races, ethnic groups or nations! Sheesh. Think...come up with some proof.

Wisdom Index. Good add Joe. What's the point of intelligence without being able to rationally apply it?

Measuring a country or a regions IQ and then creating prejudice based on that information is like stating an average temperature for the world in order to bolster the argument for AGW.

It's ridiculous.

Hirsi Ali is Somalian. So is Imam. Both are very intelligent women. Is this simply an exception to the rule?

"I would dare anyone to go down to the bible belt in Texas, Louisianna, Arkansas etc. etc. and depict Jesus as a Teddy Bear. You'd have crosses burning on your lawn the next morning."

This is a statement from a person with a low IQ. Obviously a drone, repeating unexamined multicultural propoganda.

Where Islam's adherents repeatedly, in fact, daily, create violent acts for ridiculous, irrational reasons. Christians do not. On top of that, the delusional writer of this statement is equating Christianity with the KKK.

Tell me, how many people have even the KKK murdered compared to Islam?

How about facts instead of ignorant feelings:

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

And to answer the main question:

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

I say people like the idiot writer of this ignorant statement are the most dangerous people in the world today. Through willing deception or ignorance, they are accomplices to the attrocities being carried out by Islamofascists.

Violence is foundational to Islam as exhibited in the Quran, Sira and Hadith. The troika of political, imperialist and supremacist Islam. 'Religion' is simply a veil.

Regardless of what people have done or do in Christ's name, violence is not foundational in the NT, or Christ's life example. Exactly the opposite is true.

The average Sudanese running around the streets hasn't any more of a clue of what this is all about than the idiots burning Danish flags over cartoons. They are doing what they are told. Plain and simple.

btw, ever wonder how there "happened" to be so many Danish flags in the ME to burn?

Texas Canuck,

Good question. They are masters of media manipulation. Just check the hissing snakes and unindited Hamas co-conspirators at CAIR.

As Kathy mentioned, it's time to write your MP with regards to their HRC complaint against Mark Steyn.

ET, I'd say the IQ of Israel is only 94 because all the Muslims they let live there in peace are bringing down their national score, but that's just me...

Just a note to clear up some of the misconceptions that have found their way onto this thread.

The original Klu Klux Klan was a secret organization of Confederate officers formed after the War Between the States (sometimes called the War of Northern Aggression down here).

As the original Klan was composed of Confederate officers, they were men who could read Latin and Greek and were highly educated for their time. (The plantation system was based on Idylls of the King by Tennison and saw itself as a chivalric structure.)

At that time, the South was an occupied territory with all Constitutional rights suspended. No freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, etc., etc. Basically the Klan operated as a guerrilla theater protest group against the suspension of these rights.

The only person killed was one Yankee spy who managed to infiltrate the Klan and would have caused all its members to be executed or imprisoned.

In the 1930s until the early 1950s, another organization using the same name but with only the faintest, vestigial ties to the original became a power in the South and they were definitely a racist organization that committed violence and occasional atrocities primarily aimed at blacks and black sympathizers.

When Jimmy Carter ran for governor in Georgia he had to get the nod from the Klan in order to be elected to that office. And of course other well-known Democratic politicians in the South were members of the Klan.

By the time James Baldwin began to write alongside other black and white intellectuals, the Klan had a brief resurgence because of the exacerbation of ill feelings when Americans coalesced around the civil rights movement.

Today the Klan has virtually sunk into the annals of history. Although you can find anything on the Internet, one could drive around throughout the South for literally years and never find one of the very small collection of misfits that compose the handful of people who associate themselves with the Klan.

It is of interest to note that the period that the Klan held some power in the South was the same period that Democratic politicians held sway. Most of the members of the Klan were Democrats, if that means anything.

As far as religion goes, those that know little about it would do well to understand that ultimately it is the province of very sophisticated ontological positions examined by our best minds.

In the US, most of the universities like Notre Dame, Baylor, Marquette, and Southern Methodist University were started by Catholics and Protestants who wanted to extend education to greater numbers of people.

People in theology and philosphy in these universities are not naive about science or politics or history, so religion can't simply be considered on the basis of some small Pentecostal church in a rural district. That is a disingenous and dishonest way of trying to characterize the subject.

"In that statement you could change the words Islam and Koran to Christianity and Bible and it works just as beautifully." by t

Posted by: t at November 30, 2007 4:59 PM

Bull crap!!!

Greg in Dallas,

I understand that one of the originators of the Klan was Albert Pike. Also the Grand Master of Scottish Rite freemasonery at the time, and a general in the Confederate army.

As well, the Democratic party was the proud party of the Klan right up to the 30's.

On a side note, it's interesting that dogs are 'haram' in Islam. This is based on Mohammad being told by 'Gabriel' that angels cannot enter an abode if a dog is present.

Interestingly, one of the first videos to be released by al Queda after 9/11 was a test of poisonous gas being carried out on a golden retriever puppy, which died horribly. This was broadcast on CNN. What could be more American than a golden retriever puppy?

As for Mohammad's charge that dogs are haram - I've found dogs that I've owned to be extremely accurate in descerning evil, or mal intent. As for this being a religious edict, I don't think angels would be afraid of a creation of God. Especially not dogs.

On the other hand, demons might.

"...constructive to learn a little about other economies before you continue to make your quite ignorant assumptions about their ease or difficulty..."

I was reflecting on the insuperable difficulty of the hunter/gatherer lifestyle as I tested my advanced biological detection systems* along the Tsuu T'ina reserve. As we ran through the saskatoon bushes and past the many deer, grouse, pheasants and jackrabbits, I said to myself, "ET is right. You'd have to be a polymathic genius to survive out here. It would take at least two doctorates." The proximity of the Elbow River and its fish only deepened my depression.

Then I pondered my youth in Alberta ranch country and the immense intelligence required for the practice of animal husbandry and transhumance. It's strange that ordinary people and even the shockingly obtuse managed to cope (and thrive).

Contemplating over 40 years of camping, hiking, foraging, hunting and fishing only intensified my melancholy.

The conclusion is inescapable: You'll starve out there with an IQ below 190. And of course that's here -- there's even less food anywhere else.

On the bright side, you can eat earthworms at need. Just ask Canadian soldiers, ET, the next time they're clearing your streets.

"Illness is not caused by low IQ"

It would help if you actually read the comments. The argument, as stated originally, is:

"Starvation and low protein diet are hell on intellectual development. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: The Phantom at November 30, 2007 12:25 PM"

That's starvation and protein deficiency leading to low intelligence, not vice versa. Now ask yourself about the effects of chronic deficiencies of vitamins and other nutrients. They're not caused by low IQ either -- but do they cause low IQ? Get the idea? Hillel once repeated his argument 400 times before a student understood. I have no such compulsion.

"Think...come up with some proof."

Your argument is that subsisting in a non-industrial economy precludes low IQ. Let's see you prove it. Until then I call "bull".

*That's "dogs" for anyone untainted by advanced degrees or contact with Auburn U. VetMed or the U.S. Army

I hope that this brutality over a friggin teddy bear and the appalling sentence given to the rape victim last week wakes the apologists and enablers up. These are not incidents carried out by the 'extremists' in the islam community. These are acts of horror committed by the gov'ts and courts of islamic countries. The courts and gov'ts that represent the majority of opinion in islamic countries. Tolerance of diversity is noble,but tolerance of evil is despicable.

Also,does anyone else think that the deportation order is totally unnecessary?

Psst, hey, buddy, wanna buy a Mohammed teddy bear?

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/canadiansentinel/6334798735257909725/#240430

Boy, capitalism works real fast every time something like this happens...

wallyj - exactly. That's what's going on. Tolerance of evil.

Where, by the way, are the feminists in all of this?

kathy shaidle - there's no such thing as a 'national IQ'!!!!! And there's no such thing as an ethnic IQ either.

charles macdonald - you, with your rifles, guns, and one person, with presumably, an average IQ. You are not a society. What is being argued is the fallacy of stating that a nation, a 'race', an ethnic group has a specific collective IQ. That's nonsense. IQ is an individual attribute, not a collective attribute.

You already have a knowledge base derived from your society, ie, which animals, fish are OK to eat; how to use and obtain fire, whether to cook them. You simply don't get it. To acquire a knowledge base of 'how to live' can't be done within an IQ 'below average'. So, a society whose members practice a particular economy has a knowledge base. Again, that can't be acquired if all of the society has a 'below average' IQ.

Knowing how to live on a ranch when you were a kid, you relied on the knowledge base that had already been acquired by others: this knowledge base can't be developed by people of 'below average' intelligence.

You simply don't get it. There's no such thing as a differentiated IQ by 'race', by ethnicity, by nationality. We are ONE species. IQ is only differentiated by individuals. There are no group IQs.

Therefore, for you to believe that a society can exist with the majority of its members with 'below average' intelligence - is dumb. Nuff said.

"Tolerance of diversity is noble, but tolerance of evil is despicable."

Well said my friend.

Universal human rights and the multicultural tenets of cultural and moral equivalence are opposed.

Do leftists hold the same irrational opinion as Islamists in duality?

Notwithstanding my near total ignorance of science, intutiviely I'm with ET. Intuitively, a national IQ seems nutty on its face.
And even if there was, stop for a moment and consider: how would such a national average be compiled? Wouldn't it be an extrapolation based on a very small data base?

This is not a perfect analogy but even if there was such a thing wouldn't it be about as helpful as a non-swimmer calculating the average depth of a river he was contemplating wading across?

Same as polls, Me No Dhimmi.

Change the base and there's a different statistical result.

Canada's I.Q. average of 97 and the U.S. at 98 is malleable. As it's published, it's exploitable, with resulting ignorant prejudice.

Are we to believe that Canadians are, by one basis point, less intelligent than Americans? Are the English less intelligent than the Germans?

Are all of the above less intelligent than the politically and economically opressed Chinese?

A ridiculous assumption.

irwin daisy,
it's interesting that after the Civil War the Union army sent a complement of troops down to protect Albert Pike's library.

His book Morals and Dogma lifted whole chapters from Transcendental Magic by Eliphas Levi without attribution. Pike also wrote books of poetry, some of which were typical odes to the gods of Greek mythology.

For the life of me, I cannot understand the Islamic attitude about our canine friends.

We read something from some imam in Iran a few years ago that severely chastised those who wished to continue in the practice of "the moral depravity dog ownership." My mind went tilt when I read this, and so has the mind of everyone I've quoted this statement to.

I can't imagine that Gabriel is especially pleased by having the angelic name associated with this view.

I've wondered what can be responsible for this insanity. I know in dreams animals can sometimes represent the instinctive elements of the dreamer. And perhaps a vicious dog out of sexual control could represent the insanely restricted erotic life of Muslims.

Clearly the burka, female mutilation, and the entire range of atrocities carried out against the feminine principle suggest a nightmare in Freudian terms.

The insane intensity and violence of these characters would suggest a mad dog, out of control, fueled by sex and power drives, energized by repressed libido.

On the other hand, in the rabbinical Kaballah there would be a polar opposite to Gabriel who would personify the unbalanced force in opposition to the force that Gabriel would portray.

Nowhere in any of my study have I encountered the concept of an angelic opposition to our noble canine friends.

Dean Koontz, the horror-fantasy writer (who owns Goldens), feels that one of the reasons that he can confidently feel that God exists is because who but Divinity would have created wonderful creatures like dogs.

Trying to use both my IQ and my WI I have concluded that the events in Khartoum are the use of Islam by the politicos. Its not naming a teddy (Roosevelt) bear Mohammed, it has to do with the teacher being British. Just like the riots over the Mohammed cartoons had nothing to do with insulting Islam. It was the fact that the cartoonist was Danish. The British and Danish governments had done things to the governments of the respective rioters and the only option available to the offended government was incite a riot showing how scary is the ‘god’ of the offended people.

irwin daisy....you're funny read....you can't do (realisticaly) most of your comparisons

ET; I always luv to rea dyour posts, as they are informative and interesting, but on IQ ( and that study is garbage) you are out of your depeth. First the can be and are leftward and right shifts of the bell curve for identifiable groups. I think you would find right shifts for jews and possibly the japanese, were as american blacks have possibly a left shift. Because of the reasons for these shifts, I think the blacks will eventually shift back to "standard", and so may the jews, but I think that possibly with the japanese it may be genetic.

Also that ther is a corralation between 'wealth" and IQ and "health" and IQ is a given, tho the study may have the cause and effect in error.

and, on hunter gatherer, were do you come up with this stuff, the human race has already gone through that stage, and with a much left shifted bell curve, so an average of 80( 50% of the pop. between 70-90) is more than adiquate for a hunter gatherer society, tho they may not live as "health" and as long as us intelligent folks, survive we did in the past:-))))

Johnny Jesus..... great name, don't let the religious wackjobs deter your using it:-))))

Kaballah seems to be the (red) thread through this interesting exchange. From Pike's plagiarism of Eliphas Levi (interesting prophesy, that Morals and Dogma), to the Templar Shriner's fez dipped in blood.

Interesting.

"Nowhere in any of my study have I encountered the concept of an angelic opposition to our noble canine friends."

Nowehere indeed, other than the alien, so-called 'religious' concept unleashed on the world by Mohammad and his culturally imperialist desert progeny.

Odd how the Qu'ran is only meant to be read in Arabic, when Arabic writing was only in it's infancy in Syria at the time of Mo, and unknown to his illiterate self.

I'm still convinced that the whole idea of Islam is based on the spirit of Ishamael's illegitimacy.. Otherwise known as Hagarism.
Hagar, who was an Egyptian. Not an Arab.

The whole idea is an historical croc.

" Beauty is only skin deep "
That is what ugly people say

" IQ is not important "
...that is what people with low IQ say

GYM, you're drunk.

But what Churchill said when accused of the same thing,: "Madam, I may be drunk, but you're ugly. And in the morning I'll be sober. But you'll still be ugly."

Doesn't apply. At least as much as your post is concerned.

ET, if you're going to say "'Nuff said" you gots to put an apostrophe in front like the Mighty Marvel Maniacs. ~:D

Your postings about this IQ business are bringing back all manner of fun memories about population genetics, genetic drift etc. and how LONG all that stuff takes. 2000 years is an eye blink. 10,000 is

The "national IQ", I'm not buying it either. Sure, you can post the IQ results of a sufficiently large sample on a bell curve, and you can then describe the curve skew of a given population in a given geographical area. IF you have the data. Which we don't, and neither did the guys who wrote that book. Also note, this is not an average. The mean or median of that curve is pretty much meaningless.

You can even, at a stretch, correlate bell curve skew with national GDP. Correlation does not equal causation. Ice cream sales can be correlated to violent crime too. Does ice cream cause crime, or does crime cause ice cream?

Furthermore, people seriously underestimate the level of intelligence and learning it takes to get by in "primitive" conditions. You have to know the habits of all your prey animals, all the plants, how to make all your tools, and how to get along with everybody else. Also known as intrigue, its arguably what makes humans smart. These kinds of things are not captured by the IQ test.

My earlier comment about starvation and low protein diets is true. They do cause stunted brain brain development in the young and generalized brain issues in adults. However, let us not forget that stupidity in the bush will kill you faster than starvation. The dumb people die, the ones still alive after a famine/war/atrocity campaign such as the Sudan are the smart ones.

So Kathy Shaidle, nice try but we can't blame Islamofascist atrocities on them being stupid. Ignorant and gullible, maybe. Their Fearless Leaders aren't stupid either. They're evil.

Maybe we should take this as a request and withdraw all non-military aid from the Sudan. Military aid, as in shooting Muslim irregulars when they attack non-Muslim villages in the south, that we could keep doing. A little gunboat diplomacy might have the desired effect, eh?

Dogs have as many as 25 Djinns inhabiting their noses alone. Muhammed decreed that they may exist as watch dogs only. Dogs are as bad as Joooos to our 'Slumtard friends.

So,what do we do?

With all the lead being found in products 'Made in China' and the fluoridation of our public waters, it is a wonder any of us have an IQ at all.

So,what do we do? Posted by: wallyj

Answer the question: Are we/they stuck or do we/they want to be there.

It helps control your messianic impulse.

Posted by: ET at November 30, 2007 4:42 PM

The greatest thing about having a relatively high IQ (if one believes in that measurement stick) is that you can share it with others. Mine's almost double room temperature according to standards that existed 30 years ago but I frequently interact with people that are both dumber and smarter than myself. Do I feel "superior" to people that seem dumber or "inferior" to people that seem smarter? Nope.

IQ is not the most important thing, the most important thing is not having an outlook where everyone that does not share your views must die.

That attitude is not intelligence-related, it's psychopathy.

ET has contributed far more to this forum than you ever will.

I wholeheartedly agree.

(BTW, my other online heroes are snopes and a bunch of engineering guys that, sadly, "normal" people will never know. But they are part of the reason why random stuff doesn't blow up in your face every day).

Having said that, I just realized that it might have been insensitive to our soldiers where random stuff *does* blow up in their faces every day. Sorry, some societies' notions of disagreement are different from others. Oops.

Well, if nothing else, the Sudanese Islamicists (not sure they're really Muslims)may have given errant Christian wannabes a new meaning for December 25: Christen a bear Mohammed Day...

Best quote on the matter:

"This is really about the fact that a non dhimmi kufr, who should have known her place, in a muslim land teaching muslim kids, played the role of dhimmis throughout the ages in muslim lands..which is to say, a second class citizen, victimized by arbitrary criminalization, based on arbitrary interpretations of ancient texts, by unanswerable men, inspired by personal vendetta, taking advantage of the exclusionary, ultimately racist, and imperial aggressive nature of the ascendant form of Islam, sparking the grievance searching mob, bayinglike animals for the death of those who had no clue (but should have)"

- ibloga.blogspot.com (infidel bloggers)

No sign of a $1 milllion cheque promised by P Martin..

Anyone hear any more about the Liberals promise to repay the $40 million or so "diverted" under their 14 year regime?

Just wondering....

"I realise folks don't want to know this, but the average IQ in Sudan really is about 72."

Even more frighteningly is the fact the IQ in North American Universities is higher, but for some reason it sometimes acts the same on topics.

"I am Mohammed the Bear!"

The life of the original Mohammed the Bear may have been cut short but there are many more Mohammed bears who bravely came forward to replace him. And some of them are fetching quite a pretty penny.