The mere fact that Schreiber sent Harper a letter has the news people going wild...

But Thibault has 2 meetings with the guy, and one has to read it on a Blog.

Probably a more pertinent question for the Garthicle would be what he knew about KH Schreiber when he was the chairman of the consumer and corporate affairs committee in Mulroney's caucus?

For an ex-Muldoom insider to point fingers at Harper and fraudulently take a moral exemption on this issue is really about all the toxic hypocrisy I can stand from this degenerate parasite.

Exactly. Why was Thibault meeting with Schreiber? Who authorized it?

After all, Schreiber says he sent Harper and Layton this appeal last March. He received no reply from either office. The Liberals and news media ignores that the NDP didn't reply.

Equally, they ignore that no political party can interfere with the judicial branch of government. And, the legislature, ie, the govt, can't interfere with the judiciary. That's done in dictatorships, in totalitarian rule. Not in a democracy that operates according to the rule of law. Not the whim of politics.

Of course Schreiber must have sent his packet of mail to the Liberal party at the same time. They deny it. BUT, they do admit that they received his later (July) package, and state that they refused to touch it and sent it immediately to the RCMP.

If they decided on a 'hands-off' approach, then, why was Thibault meeting with Schreiber in the jail? That's not hands-off; that's personal involvement.

Why was the Liberal party meeting privately with Schreiber? What was the deal that was made?

Was it that the Liberals would do everything to keep Schreiber out of Germany, in return for his changing his previous testimony, smearing Mulroney with the Two Days Before irrelevancy, and somehow, linking that to Harper? Was that the deal that Thibault made with Schreiber?

Why has our biased national MSM ignored these two meetings of the Liberal party with Schreiber?

There are times I fail to understand government's rationale when dealing with the opposition. All opposition parties are united in demanding KarlHeinz stay in Canada so Harper should simply say, "fine, we will make it happen". End of story and end of media feeding frenzy. I am so tired of watching that bulbous nosed, alcoholic Jim Travers of the red star diagnosing and speculating on government motives. Let the BS continue and Canadian sheeple will begin to believe that somehow Harper is involved in a coverup. Nip this thing in the bud, Steven.

just a thought here, but when KHS sent the letters to the respective parties in order to ensure that they were rec'd i would think that he would have sent them Registered.
Therefore would there not be a record of when these were mailed & to who?

Apparently, someone doesn't know the meaning of the phrase "cannon fodder".

robert fife said today if harper saids he didn't get a letter I beleive him so at least one media person is on harpers side.

The question is who's the puppet and who's the puppeteer?

"He delivered the question like a rolling volley of thunderous cannon fodder"

Probably little bits of liberal assholes mixed with bits & pieces of big mouths

OMG - I hadn't noticed that. Thanks Fred. Garth is indeed a "gift"...

Hustler magazine used to run a feature entitled **shole of the Month. I think Garth Turner is a worthy candidate for the Canadian print edition.

This nutter has been humping the media's leg for far too long and gets far too much exposure.

He's but a hairier version of Kinsella. I thought public masturbation was illegal. Just look at both of thier blogs to witness such gross acts of desparation.

Opening stmt from KS, the poor man was removed wearing jump suit. All he is talking about it what steps he has taken to avoid deportation.
Szabo made his first booboo. He called on KS to make a stmt, then had to stop and have him sworn in. Welcome to the circus.
Those meeting with KS and Thiebault were mentioned but not taken up by the media. Check that guys bank accounts, or his families, what deal did the liberals make.
Media from Germany is covering this meeting, wonder how the world will play this out.
KS seems determined to confuse us with dates, times etc of communications re his latest attempts to stay in Canada.
His handcuffs have been removed.
He is talking about sec 62 of the extradition act. In the HofC liberals and NDP kept referring to sec. 42. of said act.
Gee he mentioned Conrad Black and also some family emergency in NB, must have to do with Greenspan not being there.

Breaking news: KS refuses to testify.

I read Turners post and found it very ironic.
He is accusing Harper of being privy to Mulroney's dealings with Schreiber because he used Mulroney as a consultant following the 06 election.
This from wikipedia
Turner was elected as the Progressive Conservative (PC) MP for Halton—Peel in the 1988 election.
A Red Tory, he became chairman of the consumer and corporate affairs committee.
This from PARLINFO
GARTH TURNER,Caucus
Party Term (yyyy.mm.dd)
Progressive Conservative Party 1988.12.12 - 1993.09.08
Parliamentary Functions
Minister
Portfolio Term (yyyy.mm.dd)
Minister of National Revenue 1993.06.25 - 1993.11.03
So it seems that the Honorable Garth Turner was more intertwined with Mulroney then Harper ever was.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Garth.

prospector - how can Harper 'nip this thing in the bud'? The MSM-Liberals aren't interested in the truth; they have a specific agenda of smearing Harper.

1) Harper can say, truthfully, that he didn't receive Schreiber's letter. His office can write to the press that it was received by them but not sent on to Harper because it was a judiciary matter.
The Liberal-MSM ignore this. They claim that instead, it's a 'cover-up'; that Harper is 'protecting Mulroney'.

Note also that Harper had nothing to do with Schreiber-Mulroney; these events took place over 15 years ago. The Liberals-MSM ignore this.

The Liberals-MSM theme is that Mulroney is guilty (violation of Charter rights requiring proof) and that anyone who ever talked to him, dined with him, is Guilty By Association. So, the Liberals-MSM accuse Harper of Guilt because the Mulroney's had dinner with Harper.

2) Thibault visits Schreiber twice in his jail. Why? Was it because the Liberals received his letter and decided to take action on their own? A political party interfering with the judiciary? The Liberal MSM ignores these visits.

3)Schreiber has changed his sworn testimony. Previously, this PRIVATE business deal was made after Mulroney's tenure as PM. Now, suddenly, it was made two days before! The Liberals-MSM don't question how, why, ..the reasons for this sudden change of date.

4)The Liberals want an inquiry; Harper agrees to an inquiry, but, to keep 'hands off', he appoints Johnston to define the terms. The Liberals-MSM scream that Johnston has, at some time in the past, talked with Conservatives. Remember, the Canadian political membership is extemely small; everyone knows everyone.

5) Schreiber has interacted not only with Mulroney but with people in the Liberal Party: Marc Lalonde. He has donated MORE to the Liberal Party than to Mulroney's Progressive Conservatives. The Liberals-MSM ignore this.

How does Harper stop an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with Schreiber and Mulroney and everything to do with smearing Harper? The Liberals-MSM aren't interested in the truth, aren't interested in Schreiber or Mulroney. Remember, the majority of the Canadian MSM are Liberals - Travers, Duffy, Newman, Taber, Galloway, Toronto Star, CBC, CTV...on and on.

Yes, it is galling to see G&M, Torstar and others ignore obvious issues, such s judicial inteference, Thibault's complicity, and KHS' zero credibility. What other conclusion, other than they are partisans attempting to smear Tories, can be made?

Then again, we shouldn't be surprised. Remember, this same cabal let Ujjal Dosanj off the hook when he got caught red-handed illegally offering a benefit; instead they shot the messenger with a trumped up "cut and paste" allegation which, when totally disproven, as not reported.

Same thing here - when the inevitable happens, when KHS is shown to be the con man he really is, who chanes sworn testimony like others change their underwear, that the Lib MSM cabal will let the matter fade away, without retraction or apology. Nothing new here.

They forget one thing, only the most partisan (IOW who don't vote Tory period) will see any link with Harper and present Tory government. No votes lost or gained by anyone on this. When election starts, then count on Tories big-time smearing Liberals, especially Thibault.

That's what galls Grits most, Tories can play hardball just as good as them.

ET, I'm on your side. I agree with everything you say. I'm a Harper man and have voted conservative or reform since the days of Dief the chief. My point is I don't want Harper to get further entangled in this manufactured BS.

Read my piece again. What is said is that Harper should simply state that he will ensure that Schreiber remains in Canada until the inquiry concludes. That takes the ammunition away from the opposition blowhards and MSM whores.

I'd send this guy packing so fast to the only country that really wants him. Not going to talk, then it's time for bye-byes.

Incredulous.

They have no proof that Harper received this mystery letter. And the NDP was sent the letter at the same time.

Yet, there is admitted proof that the Liberals knew all about these alleged dealings because one of them was colluding with Schreiber in jail.

How did they know? Did they receive and read Schreiber's letter? Even worse, did they instigate the whole nefarious affair?

As WL notes - Garth, one of the Liberal attack dogs, was in Mulroney's caucus in a key position to know about this at the time of the alleged crime.

How is it that he's on the attack, rather than being implicated? At the very least, he should have no credibility on the issue.

Acting on this information, the media is working overtime to villify Harper, who, as they very well know, was a Reform Party member during the 90's and a mortal enemy of Mulroney's red PC's.

It's a railroad job and the make believe train ought to run right off the make believe tracks. And when it does I sincerely hope it crushes whatever life is left in the Liberal party and destroys the lives and careers of certain members of the MSM.

Footing the costs of yet another Liberal boondoggle, the taxpayers will deserve at least that.

Now, as we expected, Schreiber is refusing to testify before the Ethics Committee - 'until his extradition is dealt with'. In other words, until the extradition order if revoked, and he gets to stay out of the German courts.

Is that Canadian justice? That someone wanted for tax evasion, fraud, etc in Germany, can get to connive, bribe, extort and blackmail Canada, into keeping him from facing these charges?

How does he achieve this? By the same criminal tactics - by conniving with the Liberals to blackmail and smear their political rival, Harper. The Liberal Party of Canada, in bed with criminals, ready and eager to blackmail, extort, connive and smear. Why? For one result. Power. They want to return to their role as The Natural Governing Party - a role which they maintained by, guess what, the same tactics. Money laundering, blackmail, criminal actions.

Does the MSM comment? Not a word. Watch how they'll scream and rant that Schreiber MUST not be extradited. Ever. So that he can 'testify' against Mulroney. And Harper.

Think about the 'testimony'. Is the act of agreeing to a business venture two days before leaving office such an enormous breach of ethics that it requires this incredible display of outrage by the Liberals? They ignore their very real breaches as noted by others above.

And is Schreiber's 'testimony' believable? His previous sworn testimony was the opposite. In fact, he even wrote Mulroney letters affirming that the deal was private, was outside of the office. So, now, how is Schreiber going to slither out of his previous testimony and his written letters? Do the Liberals care about truth?

Schreiber has ONE agenda. Only one. Staying out of German courts.

The Liberals have ONE agenda. Only one. Smearing Harper.

The truth? Irrelevant to both. Is that The Canadian Way?

Does anyone think that this Liberal cooked up witch hunt will bring harm to the CPC and not tar the Liberals? Just asking.

And what's with Thibault ... how important a player is he in this?

Anyone, anyone.

Is that the Canadian Way?

Well it's the LIberal way!
I recommend a size 14 up KHS's ass on the way out the gate at Pearson.

Prospecter, problem is KHS isn't satisified with testifying truthfully (yeah, right) and then off to Germany he goes. He wants a walk on this, and won't talk until he does. Here's the rub,if Tories free him and then, lo and behold, he has nothing to offer, the criticism will be Tories allowed criminal to walk free. Don't you see the MSM wants to have it both ways, to smear Harper no matter what happens. Listened to CKNW just now, where Mike Smith, says, that while Harper not involved in this, Tories have lots of other problems. Such as? Kyoto? Wanna bet? Why isn't media asking for Opposition's Kyoto compliance plan, the one they don't have?

Answer, MSM only wants controversy, to sell newspapers. Many of them who are Liberal sycophants only want anti-Tory controversy. Liberal thirst for power and money, now on display with Thibault's conduct, Dion's Kyoto inaction plan, and Harper's obvious popularity with Canadians, have made them deer in headlights, frozen, unable to offer any governing alternative. (I know Ted, he is a big fat bully; except of course voters fully intend to keep him as their PM).

It is what it is; so what, it won't save Dion or the Grits from certain electoral defeat, hence their present desperate attempts to smear Tories.

NB - Mr Thibault should be removed from the Commons Ethics Committee, and then subpoenaed as a witness to explain his actions in the KHS affair. Was he complicit in interfering in judicial process; indeed, did he make a deal with KHS or coach him on his actions by offering to intervene on his case. That's what needs to be investigated; oh yeah, he was just doing "research" LMAO at this pathetic Dion Grit display.

This guy will say anything that furthers his agenda.

Perhaps the meeting with Thibault was to set up a quid pro quo; we'll join up with the opposition to delay your extradition, and in exchange you smear the Tories with your testimony, and we'll get our media friends to make you seem credible.

Kate, I want to scream at the TV! OMMAG I second your motion. Put this asshat on a plane and get him the "H" out of here. What a waste of taxpayers money. What an embarrassment this whole gong show has become. I think this will tarnish the witch hunters but good. Defer, Defer, Defer........

Shreider is an illusionist. That's what he does best. Smoke and mirrors. Thibault is one of many Liberal morons who are on the CBC's and Radio Canada's (AKA The Liberal Party of Canada,) list of potential puppets who make the 10:00 news every night.
If you're an intelligent person, as are most Conservatives, you'll just let the whole scenario unfold; it will die soon. Canadian taxpayers are bright enough to know that this is not an investigation, it's a Liberal puppet show. Who will gain by all this? The CBC and Radio Canada who will justify their 1.2 billion$ for next year. And perhaps the odd Liberal. I still beleive we're going to wax Dion in the next election.
If you really want to throw a wrench into the Liberal (AKA CBC) gearbox, you'll want to boycott CBC's sponsors. Be vocal about it, go public!! That will end the blood bath quickly!!

Lol harpers not a dumb man, i suspect hes just feeding them the rope to hang themselves.

I had to shut the t.v. off, it's just so disgusting. Where's the size 14 boot that someone talked about. Time to use it.

Just saw hes little speech on ctv.ca, says he cant talk till january sometime I SUGGEST THEY SEND HIM TO A SUPERMAX PRISION UNTIL THEN, IM SURE HES LIBERAL BUDDIES IN THERE WILL LOOK AFTER HIM.FKING LIAR THAT HE IS.

Look guys, I understand full well that Schreiber is a lying, conniving maggot with his own agenda and he belongs in jail. I'm not for a second advocating he be set free. My concern is with the average stunned Canadian sheeple who reads and hears this constant crap that Harper wants Schreiber deported immediately because he (Harper has something to hide). Once the sheeple come to believe this and conclude there is some sort of coverup I'm fearful Harper won't get a majority come next election. To defuse this Harper should state we will not allow Schreiber be deported until the inquiry is finished with him and if Schreiber refuses to talk the inquiry will be over pretty damn quick.

shamrock and john g. Exactly. Investigate Thibault. What deal did he make with Schreiber?

Research? About what? Did Thibault research the FACT that Harper didn't receive Schreiber's letter; that his office, office, quite correctly did not forward it, because the govt cannot interfere with a judicial process. Did he 'research' this? Did he research that the NDP received the same letters and did nothing?
Did he interview Mulroney? Nope.

So, what deal did Schreiber and Thibault agree on? That Schreiber would change his previously sworn testimony about Mulroney, in exchange for the Liberals preventing his extradition. And, that Schreiber would go along with their plans to declare that Harper DID receive the letter and was 'covering up' for this newly criminalized Mulroney.

That's the Schreiber-Thibault agenda. A Liberal scam. Absolute scum. And the Canadian MSM are involved in this degenerate act. Shame on the Liberals. Shame on the Canadian MSM.

prospect...I hear ya...but somehow the msm will spin this to the max...they are now.If they ignore Thibeault meeting with KHS, they will continue to play it the way they want.

I suggest leaving the boot on the step overnight.
-25c with the windchill ought to do the trick.

Syncro

Ethics comm. member Thibault has met privately with Schreiber?
"Feisty Robert Thibault from Yarmouth” Meets With Karlheinz Schreiber?
...-
Linked at National Newswatch!

So, a letter from The Bad Man is news, but two meetings with him isn't.

Gee, does this mean the press is... biased?! [gasp!] Say it ain't so! How can I watch the evening news with Loyd Robertson knowing Loydy is... biased?!

Guess I'll just have to vote Conservative.

Federal press corps: we doubt your word, cling-ons.

Look, Thibault has apparently been meeting with Schreiber since last spring! AND, has been to see him twice in the Toronto detention cell these past few weeks.

It's yet another giant Liberal scam. Their last one was Adscam, when they cheated the Canadian taxpayer out of millions, which they used to fund their election expenses in Quebec.

Now, they are using lies from a man wanted in Germany on criminal charges, to try to smear Harper by smearing Mulroney - and linking the two.

And our MSM is going along with this scam. That's what is so shameful. That we Canadians are allowing ourselves to be fed propaganda like this. The CBC, CTV, Duffy, Newman, Toronto Star - all of their Liberal sycophant 'pundits' (Travers, Taber, Galloway) and Canada Press. All partaking in a shameful witch hunt based on allegations and recanted testimony.

Schreiber won't talk at any time. Not now, not next week, not during the Inquiry. Never. Not until he has a guarantee that he won't, ever, be extradited to Germany. That's the deal he and the Liberal Party made together.

Many may be forgiven for missing this one very important fact;

Schreiber has been a Canadian citizen for precisely eight years and three months.

Who was the PM and which party was the governmenat the time when Schreiber gained his Canadian citizenship in the year of 1999?

Coincidence?

The question I want answered is, what would be gained by KS by supporting Brian in a leadership race, and how did he know that Brian would ever be elected PM, and what was promised him if Brian ever did win.
At least Brian will have an inside as to what he has to answer, if called.
How will the media spin his answer that yest, he has received letters from a member of Harpers govt. Would that be from the minister of justice re the extradition and extention of same.
Also missing is did Brian know that someone has asked KS for a letter to hide the money.
Gee, they had to recover furniture, sold in error, and KS gave them the money to do it.
How can his guy keep all his "facts" straight, he has 35,000 pages of files.

The issue isn't so much whether Harper received a letter. That, in itself, is useless. It's what he and his staff did or did not do once they received it. For what it's worth, I'm actually onside with most people here in the thinking that the MSM is jumping all over a non-issue.

However, someone raised the point earlier that Harper's response to the media and the opposition has only fueled their, er, fire. He's managed this thing horribly, and surprisingly enough for the Master Strategist, continues to do so.

As for Garth...well, again, I think most people here have nailed him down pretty good. Harper issued a no-contact order between Mulroney and his MPs. You'd have thought Dion wouldn't have had to even consider issuing a similar order between MPs and freakin' KHS until his potential committee appearance, but there you go.

Watching Kate's minions squirming like worms in the bright sun as the Harper/Mulroney axis is exposed for the vile puss it is, is so vastly entertaining. This is truely entertainment requiring lots beer and popcorn.

(Sophists, apologists, harpies, shrillers, please line up to the right and commerce your laughable defense of the above mentioned two douche bags.)

I posed these questions a while back . Do we have confirmed dates when Thibault first met KHS ? Do these dates co-incide with KHS's spring mailout campaign that the Liberals claim to have not recieved ? Doesn't the prison have a sign in log ?
P.S. what's the prize for 7,000,000 ? Congrats Kate .

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that on her third rant, ET lost it in the froth and gave her ownself a wedgie.
Yikes!

The question is, what did Robert Thibault know, and when did he know it?

or...Mr. Schreiber, have you met in private with any current members of this committee? If so, who, and what, in full, did you discuss?

Don, your mommy is calling you.

Was Schreiber's citizenship application expedited by the Chretien government or did it proceed through the standard process?

Now that the committee chair demands that Shreiber have his papers/documents with him, wherever he is detained, will Thiebault be making more visits?

Will Scheiber be allowed to provide access to these documents to only certain members of this 'ethics' committee, *ahead of further sessions* of the committee as a whole?

Strawman, Mr. Randall. Strawman.
Will the next whack job please step forward.

meanwhile the Montana murderer on deathrow, is using the courts, to sue the CDN gov't, coz they dropped appealing his sentence.

can we send Schrieber to the US and Ronald Smith to Germany?

Update on what old Karl is saying this very moment.

http://tinyurl.com/2wor4c

Perhaps Don can tell us why Marc Lalonde and Ian Scott were on Schreiber's payroll long before any offer was ever made to Mulroney?

Will the next whack job please step forward.

? But you're already here.. LOL

Here is a link to the video of KS opening statements.

http://tinyurl.com/ytww34

Does anyone even know the actual "process" for dealing with incoming mail to the PM?

Ask anyone who works in a political office, that letters do not get opened by the PM, but the actual secretary or assistant designated to open letters every day. These letters are then sent to ministerial aide's that review them (with a political eye) and then are moved in three different ways: to the bureaucracy, to the Chief of Staff, and then to the PM.

A letter from KHS can enter an office of the PM, but technically, but not until the 'big book of letters' is officially viewed for signing, most never even reach the PM's eyes.

Guaranteed this letter was intercepted by the political aide's and guaranteed that the PM never saw it.

Whether it was brought to Harper's attention in tacit form is a different story. A good chief of staff would never have let the PM anywhere near this... as should be. IT does not preclude the fact that the Conservative political team began some spindoctoring and strategizing of its own. Guaranteed, someone inside the government new about it and reacted to it. That is how the PM should be protected, ANY PM.

Media. Do your homework.

Cheers!

Leto

ET, it didn't take long. KHS just said he was "shocked" at guess whom, PMSH (over handling of some letter apparently). Thibualt is in there with gloves off, which makes me wonder if if this is still Canada, where a possible perpetrator is a lead investigator. KHS blathering on, problem for him and Grits is Cdns don't believe KHS, or care about this so-called scandal; so, no winner/loser on votes, yet.

Anyway, KHS performing exactly as expected, needing notes to complete his taking points, then suddenly having total recall, sorry about the knifing you buddy, Elmer's McKay's letter of support, which now proves the web of lies Mulroney prepared to use. Hey wait a minute, isn't that Petie's dad? Say, he is a PRESENT DAY C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E, (and he's met Harper TOO) don't you know. There's the conspiracy, not Thibault's as yet undisclosed meetings with KHS, now confirmed.

Well, good luck with that one. KHS is not credible, period. It has already become the predicted gong show, with Grits surely now howling in the Commons over Elmer's letter, which somehow proves "the" coverup. They're putting a huge sake in this one, an it will likely blow up in their faces, or just peter out.

Is it just me or does Schrieber remind you of the Hamburgler of McDonalds fame. I guess that makes Thibault Mayor Mc Cheese and Szabo Ronald himself.

Good stuff guys!

Syncro

customer: Waiter, I'll have a KarlHeinzSchreiber.
waiter; great
customer: what's it like?
waiter: i cannot say
customer: but i want one and I want to know what's in it
waiter: sorry, sir.

does this sound like a Monty Python skit?

Question. If Tait and Randall were granted two more IQ points, would they qualify to be mollusks?

"Schreiber offered few details on what was involved in the cash payments, only saying the money which was given to Mulroney shortly after he left office, was "for future services.""

So this had nothing at all to do with Mulroney's time in office and nothing to do with Airbus.

So what's at issue then? Why is this a public matter? I mean, aside from the media, the liberals and the NDP cynically trying to smear Harper.

Everything that Karlheinz Schrieber has done has one motivation and that is to avoid extradition. He is a Canadian citizen who has committed no crime in Canada. After the Airbus inquiry, Mulroney sued the Canadian gov't and won. Apparently Schrieber filed a $35 Million lawsuit against the Canadian gov't as well. Shortly after he was jailed and ordered extradited by that gov't. It seems to me that the people that Schrieber is angry at, the people that he wants to expose are the people who put him in jail and have fought his extradition. That would be the Chretien Liberal gov't and their friends. I think this thing will end badly for the Liberals.

From the G&M today, his letter of apology to Mulroney where he says:

"Over the past three months I have learned a lot about the "monster" that has dogged our footsteps since 1994. Without a doubt, this is the biggest "Political Justice Scandal" in Canadian history.

The most recent statements under oath in court and during Examinations for Discover have confirmed that Stevie Cameron, journalist, writer, confidential RCMP informant and complainant, had been passing information to the Mounties since 1988. She, together with a convicted Swiss criminal, Giorgio Pelossi, Canadian political figures and government officials are responsible for the "Political Justice Scandal" in Canada as well as in Germany and many other countries."

"The "Political Justice Scandal" around the "Airbus Affair" will not go away by itself. The people behind the conspiracy must be exposed through determined actions and brought to justice. You and I have a responsibility towards our families, our friends, international companies involved, as well as to Canadians, to Canada and ourselves."

Yes, I just heard that too, given after he left office. None of our business then what he did with his money.
This inquiry is an waste of time and money.

The key questions asked and answered

Who approached you for money?

Mr Doucet

Why

The Mulroneys were strapped for cash as they had sold the furniture in error and needed to undo the deal

What was the money for

Future Services

Did Mr Mulroney lobby the government on you behalf after he left office (paraphrasing a series of questions by Hibbert)

No

Have you ever contributed to the Conservative party in its new form

No

Why cash

Thats the way things were done (I think he said soething like that)

So where is the scandal here.....Mulroney got money for future services becasue he stupidly sold furniture and had to come up with some money to make good on the deal.

Schreiber said there was no tie to Airbus, although he declined to say the source of the funds.

Now can we please decide that he has little else to say and stop the oppsotition from a fishing expidition onto the Mulroney/Clark wars.

If that was the case then we shoudl open up Skyshops, the contributors to the pool at 24 sussex under trudeau, all of the fundraising around Tuirner and chretien, turner and martin, and the auberge thing and the BDC thing....

This is getting ridiculous.

Although I chiuckled when he said he would get his records from Switzerland.....that is where the gold (literally and figuratively) is.

Point made by BR. If Schreiber's citizenship was granted in 1999 by the Chretien gov't, was he under investigation by the German government for fraud and tax evasion at the time, if so could the Liberal government be accused of circumventing judicial process. (No that couldn't happen because the Liberals are great espousers of Canadian values.) On the other hand could his citizenship be traced to tie in with the Judy Sgro debacle. Just thinking.

Antenor...thanks, that is a visual I just did not need.

As Harper (who has zero ties to any of this crap) has been smeared by association, I say that he should open the cupboard and let every liberal skeleton fall out for all to see.

There are ACTUAL ties between liberals and this german crook.

Make this the witch hunt the leftards claim to want.

Harper has nothing to hide. Can the same be said of Chretien or Martin? I bloody doubt it.

On the other hand could his citizenship be traced to tie in with the Judy Sgro debacle.

I doubt it . KHS is kinda old to pole dance ..... although it seems like he'd do just about anything to stay in Canada .

Thanks Bil. Now I have to find a way to erase that mental image from my mind. Ew.

would they qualify to be molluks

Molluks?

Meanwhile on ctv,it has been revealed that it was 500 grand that was offered,not 300 grand,but no work was done hence only 300 hundred was paid.Now the astonished anchor is quoting 500 grand numbers while emphasizing on a half a million,what next,just under a million?

Harper sternly warned the opposition that if we're going to investigate Mulroney, then we should also investigate our more recent Prime Ministers as well. There would be a lot more to gain by finding out where the $1B in HRDC money went, or how the Shawinigate loan got "done", or maybe even how the gun registry ended up costing more than $1B. From Helicopter cancellation penalties to money stolen in the 1997 Referendum, Chretien's legacy is full of worm holes.

As a Canadian, I consider Mulroney's $300k to be a private deal, but Chretien's troubles all involved taxpayer's money. And then there's Paul Martin's tax evasion with CSL. But we're incensed about a private deal for $300k. The MSM/Liberal collusion could not be more obvious.

Leto- as you point out, most certainly, the PM doesn't open his own mail!

But, the PM's office actually wrote the Press and informed them how that letter was dealt with. Her letter was published on National Newswatch as well. The PM never saw the letter, nor should he have. The PM cannot interfere with a judiciary process. Why on earth is that so hard to understand for some people? Such interference only takes place in dictatorships, not in democracies that must abide by the rule of law.

And that means - no interference with that law.

If anyone should be shocked, it should be the MSM and the Canadian public, that Thibault, who met privately with Schreiber, is allowed to remain on the Ethics Committee. That's blatant interference.

Elmer MacKay's letter? What about Marc Lalonde, a Liberal's letter, and his assistance in bailing Schreiber out at one time.

Antenor - The Germans have been trying to extradite Schreiber for over 8 years. Why do you think Schreiber took out Canadian citizenship at that same time? He was a German citizen and, knowing that the Germans wanted to try him for German tax evasion and fraud, he got Canadian citizenship. Hmm. How did someone who is being investigated by another country for criminality, acquire Canadian citizenship?

The Liberal agenda to drag Parliament down to its level continues apace. Liberals out of power are not a pretty sight.

So KHS says he has had no contact with Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Thus this would put PMSH in the clear. Moreover, if KHS is attempting to avoid extradition one wouldn't want to irritate the current govt.. Clever move.

The projected smear job on PMSH has effectively just been blown by KHS testimony.

Further KHS says his relationship with former PMBM went sour in the 1980s, but wouldn't nail down a specific date.

Moreover, Airbus is in the clear as KHS has suggested the 300K was for future consideration in respect of his business per his most recent affadavit.

Yes it is always good to keep your testimony straight.

Ergo former PMBM wouldn't declare earnings to Canada Revenue Agency because the payments were held in trust in 'future consideration' of work to be done.

Thus we have a 'tempest in a teapot', while the National Circus Director KHS cracks the whip and all the parliamentarian obediently dance.

KHS and former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney should hash out their dispute in front of the civil court where it belongs.

The special Speakers warrant and Parliamentary Lack of Ethics Committee hurling about libelous statements in respect of former MPs is conduct unbecoming a democracy.

If MPs have evidence of payola for influence peddling in Parliament, they should bring that forward to the proper authorities rather than cleverly using Parliamentary immunity to make outlandish statements.

Harper has two challenges -- one to ensure that the present Conservative party is not speared by any of this and two to protect the overall interests of Canadians. The first is not too difficult, since most people with any common sense would not see much of a connection here between Harper and events from 15 years ago. Curiously, of the few things he did say, I believe Shreiber said that the money was for "future services" -- I think I picked that up somewhere, so I don't even think that Mulroney goes down on this one. But the real losers are Canadians. This morning, watching the proceedings made me think that the MP's look like absolute fools. They are not in charge. I think this whole affair is taking its toll on the dignity of Parliament and Parliamentarians. We are also thwarting justice in preventing Schreiber from facing presumably legitimate charges in Germany. I am glad Nicholson has not interfered with the extradition charges so far and I think that all parties should see that allowing Schreiber to be removed to Germany is about the only intelligent way to defuse this kangaroo court and allow the MP's on the ethics committee to retain any sense of decorum. They (the MP's) really are starting to look like something out of Gulliver's Travels.

Did Thibault help Schreiber craft the letter to Harper in order to implicate him (Harper)? Are Thibault's hands clean?

ET said: "If anyone should be shocked, it should be the MSM and the Canadian public, that Thibault, who met privately with Schreiber, is allowed to remain on the Ethics Committee."

During one of the early ethics Committee meetings about this point, the Chair, Liberal Paul Szabo, said that he could not remove Thibault, under existing rules.

He added that only Thibault could remove himself...and there it stood. Thibault stayed put.

Clarification - apparently Schreiber took out his Canadian citizenship not in the 90s but in 1982, but retained his German citizenship; he's a dual citizen.

He's wanted in Germany on charges of fraud, bribery and 20 million tax evasion. Now, is he going to change his nature, or will he continue to engage in fraud and bribery?

His 1997 lawsuit against Mulroney was that he paid Mulroney 300,000 for 'services' but these were not rendered. Today, he's changing his story. The amount is now 500,000.

Just as he changed his earlier testimony that his deal with Mulroney was made AFTER Mulroney stepped down as PM - and Schreiber changed it to 'two days before'.

I love your name: The Lack of Ethics Committee. Absolutely Perfect.

hans rupprecht - yes, I agree. Schreiber is clever; he can't risk alienating the Harper govt. He'll, however, allow and enable the Liberals to smear the Harper govt.

Having observed this circus for the last several days could someone, preferably one of our lef-leaning visitors, please spell out to me in clear unequivocal terms exactly what Mr. Harper has supposedly covered up and exactly what he has done wrong that I'm supposed to be outraged about? He spoke to Brian Mulroney -- yes, but so what? Does the fact that Trudeau spoke to Mao make him a mass murderer? Churchill spoke to Stalin. Chamberlain spoke to Hitler. RCMP speak to criminals every day. So freakin' what? Did Harper get kickbacks from Airbus? Has he been given money under the table? Was his early membership in the Reform party a closet effort to resuscitate the PC party of Mulroney and Clark?

And in the midst of all this that genius "Mr. Unedited" is caught once again editing.

Syncro

ET- you are correct re; Schreiber's citizenship.

Note to self: Don't take anything as fact that you see posted on a Lefty blog.

So it's pretty late in the day now.
Has KHS told any body anything that has any merit?

I wonder how long it will be before CBC tries to change the channel? Haven't heard any Khadr news for a week now.

All of these house of commons committees are an absolute joke. The ethics committee treats a devious criminal (alleged) like KHS with deference and kid gloves. A man who has done nothing politive for this country and is simply using the committee for his own purposes.

Yet, Shane Doan the team Canada captain, was treated like criminal by the HoC language committee for charges that the NHL had already cleared him of. An admired and respected Canadian athlete that enhances our image wherever he and the rest of the team plays.

Then they wonder why average Canadians tune out politics. Gee, I wonder where the voter apathy comes from. Could it possibly be that most of our government officials regarded as fools of the highest order? Unable to separate personal/party ambition from beneficial public service. Honorable members....riiiiiight.

The only thing is that we, the taxpayer, are forced to pay for these idiots wasting our money and destroying the credibility of our institutions.

SDA Sheeple,

In all your adrenalin fired zeal you're not zeroing on what the fallout will eventually be.

This is a no lose situation for the Liberals...their fortunes are already at a 20 year low.

Also a no lose situation for the CPC...KHS has no credibility.

The only thing at stake are the 'un-decideds'...and they won't recall or be affected by this circus on election day.

Note the second update from kate, where Thibault says that:

"There were two people who knew about the cash - KHS and BM. I had the opportunity to talk to KS and then disclose what I found out during QP - that the first hundred thousand was paid to BM while he was still an MP. Harper met with BM numerous times, and has never disclosed anything - only when he was shamed by the KS affidavit did
he temporarily close off relations with his former close advisor."

What proof does Thibault provide us with that Schreiber was telling the truth? Furthermore, the fact that Harper met with Mulroney 'numerous times' is irrelevant. Thibault has no right to insinuate, as he is obviously doing, that Harper and Mulroney were talking about Schreiber!! Nor that Mulroney was a 'close advisor'. Thibault's agenda is clear: Guilt by Association.

But, Thibault was associated with Schreiber. Isn't that Guilt by Association? And so was the Liberal Marc Lalonde. And Schreiber gave more to the Liberal than the Progressive Conservative party. And none to Harper's CPC.

What shocks me about this whole event is the total rejection by the MSM and the Liberal MPs of any respect for facts, truth, ethics. It is a stunning rejection. There's no difference in mentality between this Liberal-MSM witch hunt and the insane rants of terrorists, of medieval witch hunts, or other rants. Yet, our MSM and MPs are supposed to operate in an atmosphere of respect - for facts, truth, ethics. What have they done, and why are we Canadians putting up with this?

ET - Wikpedia has Schreiber getting his citizenship
in 1982, while the CBC has it in 1981. In either case it was Trudeau who was PM at that time.

From the CBC;

"In 1974 Schreiber began traveling to Canada, eventually setting up a company in Alberta. In 1981 Schreiber became a Canadian citizen.

Through his connections to people around Strauss, Schreiber met Brian Mulroney then the president of the Iron Ore Company of Canada.

Schreiber liked the young lawyer and was anxious to help him in his quest to become the Prime Minister of Canada. He funneled an unknown amount of money into the campaign to undermine Joe Clark at the 1983 PC convention in Winnipeg. The funds helped buy tickets for newly minted, anti-Clark delegates to fly to the convention. This influx of anti-Clark delegates kept a confidence vote on Clark's leadership below 70 percent. Clark called for a leadership convention, one that Mulroney would win later that year.

Around the same time, Schreiber was also actively involved in Costa Rica where, he claimed, he helped support the anti-Sandinista Nicaraguan rebels.

Schreiber, during this period, was working for the German intelligence agency the BND."

"The only thing at stake are the 'un-decideds'...and they won't recall or be affected by this circus on election day."

Hate to break your bubble Liberal Ron, but the media has made this thing so huge that people will be easily reminded of it anytime somebody brings it up. And when nothing comes out of KHS and this whole thing turns into a wild goose chase (which it will) the only thing the undecideds will see is that the Opposition not only allowed a known perjurer and criminal to waste our money and circumvent extradition (side-stepping the law), but that it was the Liberals rabid zeal to use this as a political mud-slinging game that allowed KHS to do so.

That 20 year low? Until it hits zero, it can still go down.

ET -- re your comment: . . . "he paid Mulroney 300,000 for 'services' but these were not rendered. Today, he's changing his story. The amount is now 500,000."

I don't believe he said he paid Mulroney 300,000, just that an original agreement was for the larger amount . . . and we know that he is now trying to get back the 300,000 or some portion of it for services not delivered. Quite frankly none of this appears to be realted to Airbus, so what are MP's on about. I do think it is time to take a closer look at Thibault's apparent mischief making.

Did I hear a LIberal call the SDA readers Sheeple?

When you actually figure out what that means Ronnie boy please let us all know.

BTW - you wouldn't be my lefty lovin brother in law from Oshawa would you? Still getting ALL your opinions from the Star and CBC??

Confessions of a moonbat loser (from his own unread blog):

Don
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

"I've written two really bad novels. But that's what happens when you have the unfortunate combination of lusty bar wenches with werewolves."

His cranial cavity is empty. Responding to his baiting is a waste.

I think it's great the more Canadians see their Liberal representatives. They just come across as characters from a Sopranos set.

The whole thing is turning into nothing but hearsay, or an attempt to slam the PM.

Interesting though Mike Duffy said after in the interview with the conservative member of the committee (Tilden?) the PM is in no way conected as stated by KHS, The conservative member called it right nothing but a circus with KHS in complete control. KHS has just succeeded in getting his extradition stayed as this Joke will go on most likely Longer then the actual inquiry.

Liberal Ron,

It is rare that I agree with a lefty on anything, but I believe you are right that this charade will be forgotten on election day.

Even though it appears that the Liberals have nothing to lose, I am sure that as long as Dion is your leader, he continue to come up with something to push you further down the rabbit hole.

The CPC is a smart, confident party with a great leader. Harper will retain power and the USA will not elect any of the Democrat wimps on the hustings today.

Life is conservative and harsh times bring reality into focus. Only conservatism can cope with reality.

The fantasy world of the happy collective is not what is needed now or ever. Your mama may have told you there were no monsters, but she either lied or was naive. Islam is upon us and that makes climate change and petty kick-backs such as the Mulroney thingy a part time job for the deluded.

Your mama will be wearing a burka long before Florida has a high water problem if we don't pay attention to reality.

Irwin:

What's even more entertaining is that Don is a former Liberal riding President. Classy organization that.

Schrieber donated $10,000 to the Liberals in 1993 and donated $6,100 to the PC's over several years.

From the Ottawa Citizen;

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c50c55d5-1544-40e6-b17b-b264f549eebd

Speaking of Liberal representatives, tig, here's the CBC's Don Newman: "Interesting to watch the political dynamic. All of a sudden Dave Tilsson, who is a Conservative member of parliament raises questions about both official languages -- I didn't realize Mr. Tillson spoke both official languages -- but obviously each of the parties -- we're watching the Liberals, we're watching the NDP, the Bloq -- seem to have less of an agenda than the other three (Conservative commission members), perhaps."

Was he watching some other committee by mistake, or something? What a joke.

Even Schreiber took a shot at the CBC's credibility, in a manner of speaking; after the NDP's Pat Martin asked "Did the cash payments that you gave to Mr. Mulroney come from the account of the secret commissions on the Airbus Sale?" Schreiber said sarcastically "You know all this from the Fifth Estate..."

Martin, undeterred: "Did it come from the Airbus?"

Schreiber: "No."

M: "Have you ever spoken directly with or met prime minister Stephen Harper?"

S: "No."

M: "Has a lawyer, while acting on your behalf, ever met with or spoken with prime minister Harper?"

"No."

"Have you or a lawyer, while acting on your behalf, ever met with or spoken with a member of the staff of prime minister Harper's office?"

"Not to my knowledge."

I hope a Committee member asks Schreiber in the next session "Have you ever met or spoken with Committee member Robert Thibault in the last year?"

This comment is going to come very close to the 7 million mark - congratulations, Kate. You've really done something.

Anyways, CTV News was skeptical about Schreiber's credibility. What about the CBC?

ET,Steve, Kate & whoever can answer this question

i would like to know this, If liberal MP Thibault has spoken to KHS prior to this committee meeting & since he has stated in the HOC that he has communicated with him(KHS) The question is this, Is Liberal MP a sitting member of the HOC committee not in a Conflict of Interest?
I would say yes he is & he should be removed from the Committee.
Is this correct or am i wrong?

Just checked out the CBC, man what a waste of tax payers money
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bryanr - I would agree with you. Thibault is in a conflict of interest because he met, privately, on his own initiative (or rather, on the initiative of the Liberal Party) with Schreiber. But, it's up to the MPs to insist on that. Or people writing the Chair, Szabo.

He can't use the excuse, as Garth Turner is claiming, that this meeting was for 'research'. If Schreiber claims that he doesn't know anything without the papers from Ottawa and Switzerland, then Thibault's meeting with him in a jail in Toronto, couldn't result in researched information.
Plus, Thibault didn't meet with Mulroney, in his zeal for information. So- that excuse is nonsense.

Thibault met with him to map out the Liberal agenda of a deal. The Liberals would ensure that his extradition would not take place, in return for his smears against Mulroney. The Liberals would do the Guilt By Association task of linking Harper to Mulroney.

Although, from the sounds of it, Schreiber is doing his part to assist the Liberals. He has indeed affirmed that he has never met or talked with Harper, nor has any of his legal team done so. He does state that he asked Mulroney to talk with Harper about his extradition. He claims that Mulroney said he had done so; and that he, Schreiber, is 'stunned' that Harper denies this.

But Schreiber is being careful; he doesn't want to alienate the govt in power, while he works with the Liberals to ensure he's never returned to Germany.

Schreiber is a dual citizen; he holds both Canadian and German citizenship, so any bleeding heart weeping about 'poor Schreiber, a Canadian', being sent back to The Land of the Third Reich, as suggested on Garth Turner's site, is also nonsense.

Schreiber doesn't want to delay his extradition. His collaboration comes only if his extradition is stopped. Period. He doesn't want to face the German courts for his fraud, corruption and tax evasion (over 20 million) charges.

Daniel,
I tried to follow both and,IMO,CBC was a little more willing to repeatedly mention Harper's name and allow viewers to assume association than CTV.
On the other hand,I am admittedly very distrustful of the CBC,so I could be simply biased when I say it appeared they were sitting on their hands to try and hide the glee they seemed to be feeling from presiding over a possible right-wing scandal.

Now,don't get me wrong here,I think Mulroney is an arrogant sleazebag,up there with Chretien and Martin,but this stinks of a simple anti-conservative witch hunt.

This was obvious to me when Schreiber dangled some self-motivated tidbits and an exuberant lib MP excitedly bit and called the revelation of $500,000 a blockbuster(or some similar grand rhetorical term).He was quickly rebuffed as mistaken,but too late to keep from exposing his obvious partisan agenda.

It is not unusual for the liberals to be in bed with criminals. It would be nothing to the liberal party to pay off Schreiber to concoct some wild story to try and bring down the conservative government. This is going to blow up big time in their faces. Well done Kate!

Schreiber alleged in an affidavit that the deal was struck two days before Mulroney left office as prime minister in 1993.
Help
What power did Mulroney have 2 days before he left office? waqsn't he the proverbial "Dead Man Walking"
Wasn't he a soon to be unemployed ex PM
Why did Schreiber strike a deal with the outgoing Prime Minister?

From Thursday's ethics committee:

Conservative MP Russ Hiebert: "Mr. Schreiber, I have a couple of simple questions I'd like to ask you. They only require a yes' or 'no' answer. They're not complicated and I hope you'll be willing to provide me with the answers.

"Have you ever spoken directly with, or met, Prime Minister Stephen Harper?"

Karlheinz Schreiber: "No."

Conservative MP Russ Hiebert: "Has a lawyer, while acting on your behalf, ever met with or spoken with Prime Minister Harper?"

Karlheinz Schreiber: "No."

Conservative MP Russ Hiebert: "Have you, or a lawyer acting on your behalf, ever met with or spoken with a member of the staff of Prime Minister Harper's office?"

Karlheinz Schreiber: "Not to my knowledge."

[...]

Conservative MP Russ Hiebert: "Mr. Schreiber, have you ever held a membership or donated funds to the Conservative Party of Canada since its creation in 2003?"

Karlheinz Schreiber: "No."

One more thought,if I may.

The LPC has seemed nothing short of desperate since the Throne Speech to dig up some dirt on the CPC.

Since we have never been told how the Adscam cash affected electoral outcomes in certain Quebec ridings(a viscious undermining of democracy itself),I hope this is never forgotten and persued with a similar vigor.

Seems to me the LPC has never more than at this time deserved the nickname...

The Puffin Party.

I say investigating Mulroney further is fair game,but when will we be shown the rest of the LPC's hidden shit?

All's fair in love and politics,n'est pas?

Tsk, tsk Robert Thibault; just when you thought the Liberals couldn't be more sleazy, along comes this guy. He is a member of the Commons Ethics Committee, yet he still, exparte, twice, met with KHS, a man in custody awaiting extradition, who has lied under oath more than once. Yet, Thibault never reported his meetings or what was said to the ethics committee. Why not? Under what authority was he acting? Why is the media missing this one completely? He was in meetings with KHS at the same time allegations were made, which contradicted his previous sworn testimony. Funny how no "letter" went to Dion, but Thibault was in conversation with KHS during the same period. Hmmm, I smell a rat, and IMO, so will Canadians, when the Lib-MSM is unable to suppress this fact of Thibualt's possible complicity and certain conflict of interest, given he never (as far as I know) reported his findings on meeting with KHS to the committee. That alone should get him censured, removed from the committee, and called to give evidence. Oh yeah, he is being sued by Mulroney for libel, yet he gets to personally question a witness who has material information on this matter.

I do believe the Harper Tories will be untouched by this matter, but the Liberals, who for some inexplicable reason have spent all their political capital here, could end up looking very bad, in fact, may be seen as manipulating parliament as a whole, and the ethics committee, to try and smear the government. This is the type of politics Canadians are sick of.

If Liberals have accusations to make, let them mak them outside the privilege confines of parliament, lest their credibility be lower than Shreiber's, if in fact they aren't seen as accomplices, whose testimony requires third party corroboration.

Looks like Thibault should be called up before an ethics committee, seeing he is lacking in them.

This is just another dirtball scheme of the liberals.

It is all good, it is going to blow up in the liberals face, and we won't have the expense of an election for a year or so.

Maybe the apologist for the Liberals posting here could go out canvassing for bucks, isn't Thibeault being sued by Mulroney?

Today's episode of the Liberal/NDP gong show proved how unprepared and just not up to the job they were.
Schreiber called the shots, Szabo goofed, NDP were a disgrace and the Liberals acted like juveniles. The Conservatives were the ADULTS in today's EPISODE.

"Waterboarding" is an interrogation method some countries use to elicit truthful answers from reluctant witnesses.
Watching a bit of the Karlheinz saga this morning, convinces me that would be the only way he would ever answer truthfully.
Canada does not use that 'waterboarding' method.
Pity.
In the meantime he continues to make monkeys of the Parliamentary committee and all Canadians in their own house.

"My seatmate, feisty Robert Thibault from Yarmouth, stopped drawing me a diagram of how the Mulroney-Schreiber affair massively implicates the Harper government"

Oh, ferf$#%sakes.... Has anyone in the Liberal Party not noticed that at the time all this crap was going on that Harper was affiliated with the Reform movement, mainly because he was completely digustipated with the corruption in the then Tories?

If there's as many or two or three brain cells among the entire Liberal side of the House I guarantee you that they'll never get close enough to collide with each other.

PMSH is a very smart man, I believe that he wants to appear to be apposed to this inquiry when in reality he knows it is going to be a gong show that blows up in the opposition parties collective faces.

"Thank you very kindly, sir," Szabo concluded.*"

Liberal MP Szabo's parting words to the jailbird at the Liberal-NDP Gong Show.

There is an explanation somewhere for this obsequious, Uriah Heeping from Szabo; this butt-kissing by Szabo. Why all this smarmy fawning from Liberal Szabo?
Why the use of "sir"? The "Thank you very kindly"?
There is a deep cesspool here of crime, corruption, and malfeasance by the Liberals. The Liberals know it; the jailbird knows it.
The Liberals are traumatized by fear of exposure of their crimes.
Veritas odit moras.
(*macleans)

Are we talking about the same "ethics" committee that still keeps Paul Martin's CSL conflict of interest file compiled by the ombudsman, on the shelf as a "state secret?

Is this that committee or do I have them confused with the ethics committee that found Chretien not to be in conflict for backing a loan to buy his investment property with a BoC loan guarantee?

Which ethics committee?

What ethics committee?

What ethics at play here?

From an earlier thread: Liberals out of power are not a pretty sight.

Neither were Librano$ in power.

Do the rules of the house of commons and the protection against a legal response to slander apply in a commons committee?
I don't thinks so........ and if I'm right there could be some doozies.

BTW - I seem to get a bit dyslexic when I get tired... I keep seeing "FISTY" when I look at the header for this post...... and I can't help wondering why Turner is calling Thibault fisty!!

Liberal MP Robert Thibeau is being sued for $2 million for slander and defamation for things he said recently on Mike Duffy Live.

That, in itself, would make his position on the ethics committee a conflict of interest don't you think?

Oops - forgot to add - Thibeau is being sued by MULRONEY.

Mulroney wants the $2 million donated to the Children's Hospital .

Robert Thibault - perfect for the UN ethics chair ... and a nobel prize in ... is peace taken?

"I am with Robert Thibault in caucus right now"

Garth blogging from inside a caucus meeting? Say it ain't so! :)

There's very little difference between the Tories and the Liberals. The Liberals take cheques and the Tories take cash. Other than that, what's the diff?

Hi Kate; read this article and chased it on Google news threw the papers from different takes from news sources across the world. I don't know much about prevous Mulroney years. Middle yaers where the parties was good. All we knew was that the idiot was a crook just like PET, Chretian and Martin. No doute he probaley stole money. Look what happened to the big "C". This has nothing to do with the now goverment. Steven Harper was the best thing to happen to Canada. He is done more for Canada in two sitting in the minority goverment than the "L" done in 13 years. He is actully working for Canada. He must have watched the Sask football win at the grey cup. I really think he just made a end run on house. First was the VISITS, the there was the LETTERS, Then the GERMAN had to go home to pick up said PAPERS. What was in these valuble papers and if they all reached the house of idiots?????. Then he says nothing. But nothing about BALI, TASERS and the mabey tax cut for the high income people, "just so they will stay in CANADA who is a leader in GHG emissions @ +-2.7%. Makes you wonder. Merle Underwood

Wanna know the "Truth"- I can get it for ya.
You supply the cattle prod, a set of booster cables, and a car battery- and I can get all the
"truth" you want. (Waddya figure is a decent admission fee, to watch me get it?)

Probably little bits of liberal assholes mixed with bits & pieces of big mouths

Stuff is supposed to go in one end and come out the other, not the other way around.

Obviously Thibault should not be on that committee so why is he still there? I hope the CPC members on
that committee question Schreiber about his meetings
he had with this member.

My theory is that there are very powerful people who desperately do not want Schreiber back to Germany to open up the can of worms and corruption there. German governments have fallen and people implicated there are already in jail.

BUT, the big cheese with the real goods is Schreiber - here in Canada.

We know the Liberals have been masterminded and manipulated by a powerful cabal of international financiers for many years.

What are the very good odds that some of these Liberal power brokers are affiliated with the German corruption scam?

So - trumping up some fenzy here in Canada to keep Schreiber HERE and not in Germany would be easy. Liberals do what they are told by their masters. Thibideault as the most recent fromt man.

The media? Ditto. Who owns most of them?

I believe we've been had - fellow Canadian taxpayers - by the same Liberal power mongers who have HAD us since Trudeau.

Anybody else agree that getting Mulroney is not the real motive. Shutting Schreiber up and preventing him from talking in Germany is.

From CFRA.com:

"The 73-year-old told the Committee that doesn't believe that Mulroney did anything illegal, adding the former Prime Minister did not lobby on Schreiber's behalf in any government"

So why is this even still remotely a public issue???

Whats with all the conspiracy sh*t? All we have is a desperate old man and a desperate old party trying to claim Canada.

History tells us that the desperate old party will cost us more. My puppy will die if the libs are elected ever again.

Lorraine: "Liberal MP Robert Thibeau is being sued for $2 million for slander and defamation for things he said recently on Mike Duffy Live.

That, in itself, would make his position on the ethics committee a conflict of interest don't you think? "

YES and YES!

John G: So why is this even still remotely a public issue???
Lorraine 11:47 has a good theory!

PMSH is a very smart man

True, but in relaity he is also a lizard alien being that has been secretly running the world. Now that he has a bit of power he'll win the next majority, unzip his human suit and shock and conquer the planet by eating all the humans!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid#Conspiracy_theories

Ever notice how nutters that actually beleive this stuff are invariably lefties?

The media people seem very nervous about this - they want an inquiry, then it 'might be a waste of money' (Paula Todd). The media are puffins too - watching them squirm is good fun.

Schriber is running the 'show' - it really is a spectacle to watch the Puffins/Dippers/Bloc kow tow like drooling serfs to this big tuna wanted for major crimes in Germany. If they had forelocks they would be getting thin from the constant tugging.

Lorraine, I'm sure you're right. This isn't about Mulroney/Schreiber.

This tempest in a teapot/feeding frenzy/arson is a smokescreen to take attention away from, as you point out, the national and international power- broker cabal that pulled Trudeau's, Mulroney's, Chretien's, and Martin's strings and who continue to play the Puppet Masters to Dion and Co.

The Librano$' friends in the MSM--which make up about 95% of the pen pushers and talking-head stuffed shirts--have secrets they don't want to come to light, probably fortunes they and family members have made while the Librano$ were practising their largesses towards their cheerleaders, all at the Canadian taxpayers' expense. They're fanning the flames of this pathetic charade as though their lives and careers depended upon it. (Apologies for the mixed metaphor.)

I say, send Karlheinz Schreiber back to Germany to face the music. The cost to the taxpayer of this fiasco is going to be appalling, and I'm sick and tired of underwriting Librano corruption and coverups.

There has to be a reason Why Thibault is on this committee & Conservative MP Tilsen is too crafty lawyer not realize this.
The guy(thibault) talks with the witness before questioning for what reason? Research! give me a break. We do not know what was said & if any coaching was done in the form of this is what we are going to ask you & this is how you should answer, if it works we will help you stay here in canada. Now did you notice that some committee members wanted to give him(khs)advance notice on their questions for what reason? Supposebly so that he can be better prepared or is it to cover their tracks that he already knows what is going to be asked. Just too many iregularities so yes this is a 3 ring circus. Canadians are going to tire of this very quick & say "Auf Weidershen"

The problem too is the Libranos and Dippers are quite willing to make a mockery of this country, make it a laughing stock with this Gong Show, all for the game of Gotcha politics. They don't give a Monkey's butt about ethics or morals, it's a total ruse.

They lost one score when Schreiber said he never met or talked to Harper or had a membership in THIS Conservative Government. They lost again when he said Peter McKay was only part of a student exchange with German students.

Thibault is "feisty" while being sued by Mulroney?
Jeez, if he were also wise he'd keep his mouth shut and get his ass off that committee or someone should insist he be removed.

If Schreiber can't talk, wants to obfuscate, have selective memory, he's of no use here.
Someone has to inform him he co-operates or goes.
The longer this goes on the more it costs us to no avail but to enrich his legal advisers.

If the Jackasses pushing this agenda had a freaking thought process beyond a gnat they'd realize the potential Karlheinz has for causing trouble as he is accused in Germany.

No more of this coaxing and squeezing tidbits out of the little man. No more of the MSM fawning over his every word, ship him out, this country is about much more than this.

Lorraine - very interesting theory - you could be on to something.

The sad (and yes funny) thing is that the MSM and the opposition parties have been telling Canadians for weeks that "Canadians want to know", Canadians deserve the Truth".

Now when the house of cards is beginning to fall, they are all scrambling, pointing fingers saying He did it. The MSM are changing their tune daily, just so they have an out when the house actually falls.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Hmmmmm...I hope someone with some research skills takes up your theory Lorraine, and starts to dig. We may be very surprised at the skeletons in the closet - or maybe not surprised.

Here's another question for anyone that can answer it.

So KHS gave Mulroney $$$ for work he was supposed to do for him, Plus now KHS says yesterday he was to get $500K but only gave $300K because he did not do the job.
So if he did not do the job Why has he not sued(Mulroney) for services Not Rendered?
If this is the case then this is a civil dispute & should not be infront of the HOC committee Once the date of the Suppposebly reciept of the monies is established.

bryanr - Schreiber HAS already sued Mulroney for 'services not rendered'. This was before the Liberals got hold of him this past month and have set up a scheming collaboration with him.

Lorraine - I find your theory a bit too speculative. If the Liberals had trails to cover, and I do agree with you, that they do, then wouldn't they have made it easy to keep Schreiber out of Germany when they were in power? That is, couldn't they have refused to sign the original extradition order? But they didn't; the Liberal govt in power at the time, signed the order in, I think, 2000, to extradite him. Schreiber has been fighting the Liberal order since then. That's quite a few years of Liberal time.

I think that their agenda is as we've discussed it on this and other blogs - to smear Harper by smearing Mulroney and using the juvenile Guilt By Association tactic. This Guilt By Association tactic seems to be their only tactic; they ignore facts, truth, ethics. Their basic agenda is to implicate Harper. They really don't seem interested in Schreiber or Mulroney.

Schreiber himself has one agenda. To stay out of Germany. He's not merely a Canadian citizen but a dual one; he's also a German citizen; he most certainly faces years in jail there.

ET: thanks i thought he had but was unsure, so that issue was resolved in a lower court & should not be brought into the current line of questions.
I whole heartly agree this is nothing but a Scheme for both KHS & the Liberals
1) a last ditch effort for khs to stay in Canada
2) Liberal drive-by on the PM & the most important To change the channel off of Dion's performance

Canadians are not stupid & have already seen through this, Even the MSM now has changed their tune seeing that there is Nothing to see here, so move on.

Nothing more to see here folks, really.

It's just another simple case of large sums of cash paid for services not rendered - a very popular, entrenched principle of Canadian politics. Adscam proved that the Lieberals were better at it than the old Cons, but so what?

Now, someone has to once again foot the bill for interminable government finger-pointing, hair-pulling, navel-gazing investigations, royal commissions, judicial enquiries, etc, etc, ad nausium. Most of which, in all likelihood, will lead to - you guessed it- nothing. And who shall foot the bill for this three ring circus/charade? Why, the Canadian Taxpayer of course. After all, that's another entrenched principle of Canadian politics.

Muddle on.

As I wrote on my blog, the Schreiber Scheisse will eventually stick to the Liberals and Dion (and Garth, of course).

Scheiber started travelling to Canada in 1974.
Trudeau was PM.

Petro Canada was created by the Liberal/Trudeau government in 1974.

Trudeau's fathers chain of gas stations were bought by Petro Canada at a huge premium.

The Begian oil company Petro Fina sold it's holdings in Canada to Petro Canada in 1975.

Maurice Strong was Petro Canada's first president.

Did Schreiber ever meet with, have communications with Trudeau, Maurice Strong, any Liberals in Canada or anyone under the employ of Petro Fina or Petro Canada?

If Schrieber wants to get his papers I suggest, as someone in a previous post has, that he be forced to surrender all of his documents to the inquiry if he is to be allowed to stay in Canada until his
presence is no longer required.

Remember Schreiber's dealings forced, right of centre, German politician Strauss to resign.

The big question here is when did Marc Lalonde first meet Schreiber, as Lalonde was in Ottawa the entire time under Trudeau and beyond.

Lalonde has said that he would gladly post bail for Schreiber again. Why? And why did he pony up $100,000 the first time?

And both Lalonde and Ian Scott were on retainer to Schreiber to the tune of $100,000 a year.

There is a heavy stench of puffin excrement surrounding KHS.

The only immediate question that has popped up now is this: How come this Liberal met with Schreiber twice outside any official setting? I don't know about what others think of this, and I am not saying that this is what happened, but to me it looks like a Liberal meeting with Schreiber in secret and hatching a plan to bring down the current Conservative government -- i.e., whatever Schreiber has said recently might be words put in his mouth by some Liberal operative.

Again, I am not saying this is how it went down. I am merely observing that this is the impression that's been created here, and if there is a real need for an ethics investigation, it would be one looking into the Liberals and their current connection(s) with Schreiber at this point.

I saw Schreiber being escorted by, I presume plainclothes police. He held up his hands in a theatrical gesture. He said loudly "Canadian Justice". I thought about his eight years of freedom in Canada and the elaborate procedures for appeal. I thought about other countries and a sudden dissapearance of an individual.

Tonight even one Craig Oliver in talking to Mike Duffy, seemed to be saying lets get on with business. I stand corrected but I got his drift that Schreiber should be on his way to Germany.

I am still not a good judge of the way Canadians seem to think, being an immigrant from England. I would venture one thing though. I think Schreiber may have overplayed his hand. There is a chance the Liberals involved, may have overplayed theirs.

Steven Harper is still squeaky clean.