Too funny...

Canadian Press is just a socialist enabler with next to no credibilty

A Yank bashing our Canuck PM? Unheard of!

I dunno, I always liked the story of Lyndon Johnson rattling Pearson's teeth after picking up by the lapels.

Ive never seen a source for it , but have heard the story. A Dem beating on a Lib. it canna be.

My dog was barking at a picture of Stephen Harper this morning and I'm sure he was tearing him a new one. Either that or he had to go to the bathroom. Can the Ottawa Citizen inteview her about her feelings on Harper (/sarcasm)

This country is getting more and more unbelievable with each passing day.

I prefer 'non-fiction' sources for news.

gotta luv google. found this

In February, lbj ordered the bombing of North Vietnam. Two months later, Pearson was at Temple University in Philadelphia, and in his speech he suggested that a temporary cessation of the bombing might bring the North Vietnamese back to the bargaining table. When the two met at Camp David, the presidential retreat, lbj took Pearson by the lapels and shoved him against the rustic cabin. “Lester, you pissed on my rug!” he yelled. So much for diplomacy.

Canadian democracy is not very progressive at all. The Greens currently garner anywhere from 8-12% support nationally, but are not represented proportionally in parliament. Those numbers would probably be even higher if people didn't see supporting them as a wasted vote. So while I tend to fault the mainstream media for frequent lacklustre coverage, I don't see covering the opinions of the greens as a deviation from a sect of Canadian interests. We need not use an archaic voting system as the determinant for who warrants coverage because the system of governance doesn't properly reflect Canadian interests. Case in point, the current governing party only holds power because of a fractured vote amongst parties to the ideological left. If Canada were to adopt a voting system such as STV, etc. the prospect of having a government like the one we have now would be an infrequent reality.

That's not to say it would only be the left who benefits from some form of transferable ballot or proportional representation. Under such a scenario the right could create new parties without cannibalizing the dominant parties in their area of the political spectrum. I'm guessing most people here would like the current conservatives to be even more conservative than they are now, or that the Sask party be a little less moderate and a lot more to to the right, well under such a scenario these parties could exist without necessarily hurting the overall conservative movement.

Anyway, I kind of ran off on a tangent there. The point is that its not just the alienated westerners that have their interests poorly represented in parliament.

The Greens currently garner anywhere from 8-12% support nationally.

Elections Canada doesn't share your optimism. They received 4.48% of the vote in the last federal election.

What's really funny is that what Harper was pushing for is in fact something that would FURTHER reduce GHG then what was proposed.

Letting India and other nations off the hook is what Harper was pissed about.

So in fact, if these "green" parties and such are opposed to that, they're not friends of the earth.

What kind of support did the Greens get in the Quebec bye-eletions?

People only answer Greens to surveys out of a vague sense of them being good for the environment.

Let's see it transfer into votes, the Ms. May might have some relevance.

so true Jared

which got them neiter a seat nor a place at the next debate despite the MSM's push for it, as that would make it three on one, or two on one if one thinks of Dion's ability.

who would need Miss Coyness Interruptus at any debate.

"Elizabeth May of the Green Party says Canada has become an environmental saboteur"

Yeah....and YOU make Camilla Parker Bowles look like a damn model you pug fugly pig

steve - the Chretien Liberals only held power because of a 'fractured vote' - when the right was split between the PC and Reform-Alliance, and the left was split between the NDP and the Bloc, the Bloc - Quebec's default party.

I don't agree with unelected representatives, ie, proportional representation.

allan, yes, you are right: Harper is saying that a program that only refers to a small proportion of the 'emitters' (and ignores pollution by the way) is useless.

The proponents of Kyotoism (the ones who ignore that it's really a money transference UN scheme)..tell us that we should sign and obey, because then, the Big non-signing Polluters, such as China, The US, India, will somehow be ashamed and 'jump on board'. Yeah, sure. Can you see China ashamed? They are busily putting up one to two new coal factories a week. So much for shame.

But with Harper and the Asia-Pacific agreement, since it is based on slow and achievable targets, China, India and the USA, will come on board.

Oh, by the way, the US didn't sign Kyoto, but it reduced its emissions by twice as much as Canada, which signed - and increased its emissions. So much for Chretien's signature.

By the way, buzzard and others, juvenile ad hominem comments against Ms May don't advance an argument supporting Harper's position.

I have another reason for the special treatment the Green Party has gotten. Remeber the leaders' debate in the last federal election? The leader of the Green Party wasn't invited, for substantially the same 'old-fashioned' reason that Kate gave above.

How many cries of 'unfair' do you hear...

This is all good. Need to split up the nutbar vote between the three left parties. Give the green some publicity. The nutbars will be confused as to who to vote for. If the green party is dead before the next election that gives the ndp, and liberals more votes. Need the greens for a conservative majority.

Yes, and there was a time when the majority of world believed that the sun rotated around the Earth.

Harper is right-on and the rest of them are using this common sense stand to make some political points with the scientific and political stupids in our country.

Dear Ms. May,

Perhaps you have the answers to the questions of what we should do to meet our Kyoto targets? Since we need to cut about 250Mt of emissions, should we eliminate the entire Transport sector ? That would eliminate 150Mt. Every bodoy would walk, we'd need horses to replace trucks and no aircraft . . we'll we could phone relatives.

How about you shut down those nasty coal powered electrical plants. It would be a bit tough on Ontario having to close down 30% of their electrical generation capacity, but Ontario could rejoice that they would not be as bad off as Nova Scotia that gets 90% of their electricity from coal.

Or should we shut down our Agriculture Sector ? That would save 50MT. How about closing down the mining sector to save 15MT ??

You pick, you be the uber greenie smartass who gets to pick and chose which economic sectors to close down.

Kyotoism . . . brought to you by the enviro commies who want to send us back to pre-industrial living standards.

ET: By the way buzzard & others ......

here,here no need for trash talk

Whatever happened to the Communist Party of Canada?

Doesn't their voice count any more?

http://www.communist-party.ca/

They're celebrating the 90th anniversary of the Hunt for Great October or something. I knew Sean Connery was old, but that's ridiculous.

cak2:

It was Pearson who was being undemocratic - this from someone reputed to ba a statesmen. Making statements counter to the policy of the country in which you are speaking is an obvious no-no. LBJ's upbraiding of LP was done in private if in colourful terms, that was the diplomatic way to do it.

The Greens have only finished second once in over 600 tries in the last two gen'l elections. A neo-nazi or religious fundamentalist party probably would have done better - they deserve nil national profile.

If cutting emmissions was really the goal, we could devote a few billion $$ to developing cleaner coal technology and then just giving it to anyone that wanted it - USA, Canada, China, India - whereever. If the US, Australia, Canada, the UK and Japan cooperated on the venture, we could probably cut emmissions to the point that everyone in Canada could by a new Suburban. Besides, while I have my doubts about the whole CO2 thing, I am quite convinced that that big brown soot cloud over large chunks of Asia cannot be good for the planet or the carbon-based bipeds on it. And I find it far more credible that "dirty snow" is causing glacial melting than a minor increase in C02.

The Canadian Press seldom lets facts get in the way of a good headline ..... or story for that matter.

Now watch as the tools at CBC/CTV and the papers go on and on with this.

Also note what CP did with this :
"Tories paid $25 billion in grants and subsidies over first year in office: report
at 15:02 on November 26, 2007, EST.
By THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA - A citizens' group says the Conservative government paid out $25 billion in grants, contributions and subsidies during its first fiscal year in office, with the two largest going to a Quebec-based aerospace company. ....."

Never mind the fact that ALL of these programs and obligations were extant before the Conservatives took office ..... Canadian Press ... the OTHER official opposition.

LBJ was right and Lester was wrong.The North Vietnamese didnt want to negotiate until operation Rolling Thunder instigated by Nixon,they changed their mind after that and came to the table.Lester forgot the lesson of the A bomb on the Japanese.

Elisabeth May was on Rutherford today, and it was hilarious. I prefer having as many equally idiotic leftist parties splitting the vote as possible...

May has also reiterated her comparison of Chamberlain to Harper having not learned her lesson the first time.

She states "I repeat those words now, not because I thirst for abuse, but because in the light of day, following Canada’s actions in Uganda, they seem an understatement." She was elected as GPC leader to raise the level of discussion! It was obvious May could be volatile but she has exceeded my wildest expectations.

Seeing that Idi Amin did such a terrific job of runnning Uganda, perhaps Elizabeth May can take it up with him.

At least the Hitlerian comparisons might have some traction.

Excellent, excellent point holdfast.

Spike 1:

Pearson didn't forget, he never learned the lesson of hiroshima/nagasaki. Can you imagine him deciding to use the A-bomb were he in Truman's place?

Here's where the rubber meets the road with all of these dinosaur jackasses in the MSM, put up a democratic and transparent comments section or shut up. It's constructed so that Elizabeth May gets quoted without rebuttal.

I am so tired of reading their drivel without the ability to call them on their stupidity.

The MSM can't die fast enough.

I do believe Canadians will buy the message that this is about ensuring all the emitters sign on rather than only the few and the stooooopid.

As Baird said, the Aussies were smart enough to negotiate proper targets, so that even without Kyoto they are only 1% away whereas Canada sent the B team to negotiate. Chretien wanted to one up the Americans and saddled ourselves with an unreachable target.

Of course in true Chretien fashion he then proceeded to do nothing about it, just stonewall. They hadnt figured out how to get money into Liberal party coffers yet.

Harper is right, the structure of the Kyoto deal was a mistake and it should not be repeated. Sign only what you can deliver. Better to undershoot and suceed rather than overshoot and always be palying catchup.

I am reminded of Linda McQuaog's book Shoot The Hippo....generally I dont like her but the analogue is correct. You find yourself in a situation where you are doing things that have nothing to do with the goal, shooting the hippo to save money to reduce the deficit. The Hippos didnt cause it.

Well we would find ourselves doing similar things to meet these false targets, engaging in econmoically dysfunctional behaviour to be slaves to an ill conceived treaty.

I am sure McQuaig would be very unhappy I have stolen here parable for another purpose....but it fits.

IMO, the media are nothing better than Puffin handmaidens with pooper scoopers.

The Dionidites and the Dippers are all in a tizzy because they cannot pay Unca Mo in China with the 'cash for credits' planned scam (that they promised to deliver via Koyta). It must be nerve wracking for all of them because the Big Puffin in China likely MUST regurgitate some $$ SOON or the China gang will give him a taste of his own medicine - eg. a lot of bankrupt champagne Bolsheviks! Unca Mo will drag a flock of flailing international vultures with him; 'birds' who do not like bread and water.

This fanatical group had a direct pipe line to millions of dollars when Saddam Hussein was up and running with the oil for $$$ scam. President Bush and the coalition shut that down when they invaded Iraq. The Cretin said today that the Invasion of Iraq was all about the oil - it was ... it was about Iraq people selling their oil for $$ instead of food -the transfer of oil FOR $$, by Saddam, to the UN so they and their 'friends' ( Unca Mo and friends)could resell the oil on the open market to consumers.

For the Puffins/Dippers it has NEVER been about health of the planet or people - it IS about $$ for carbon credits; Unca Mo and his Puffin flock want the money so they can make all people on earth EQUALLY poor and EQUALLY enslaved. Champagne costs money and it is way too good for the 'common folk' in the Champagne Bolshevik opinion. It must drive that pasty faced freak and his frustrated fanatics wild to see 'rig pigs' with all that money! Heh Heh.

The idiot known as Elizabeth May just proves my earlier statement that lunatics and crazies used to be marginalized, institutionalized and or shunned by society, now they are given a podium to recruit more crazies, by an equally lunatic and imbicile media. What climate crisis Elizabeth you moron. what is different than it used to be, hot in summer cold in winter, hard to grasp for idiots like the green weiners. 20 below here in southern Alberta tonite, sure could use some global warming, only a liberal would be stupid enough to not want a warmer winter.

I heard opposition demanding to know what the government will do. In their shrillness, I guess I missed their plan. Next time one of them opens their mouth about Kyoto, they should be challenged - so, what is your plan, then? Anyone notice they don't have one; why, because it involves selling carbon credits, the dirty little secret of Kyoto, which is at the heart of what ET calls their "money laundering scheme."

They're playing politics plain and simple; bitching withouth presenting a single alternative, other than some ridiculous, "we must comply with Kyoto." Hello, US will never sign on to any plan that exempts developing nations such as India and China (in fact, it encourages them to pollute more in the final analysis). The Commonwealth got the argument, why don't the opposition - well you know the answer.

If that's their idea of leadership, Harper will have his way with them on the Hustings; so, I say, keep up the good work Dion, Mulcair and May.

Duffy said something tonight about Elzabeth May making more 'Hitler' remarks. He was surprised the blogs didn't pick it up. I haven't seen any quote to that effect today. Has anyone else?

Joanne asked:

http://www.elizabethmay.ca/blog/Global-Saboteur.php

And a reminder of her first go at this:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=098b787f-cc1e-4f52-a27c-0cb0b0856faa

"I am sure McQuaig would be very unhappy I have stolen here parable for another purpose....but it fits."

To the contrary I think she would be ecstatic that anyone read her book.

PMSH got 51 leaders to side with him, and liberals and media don't call that leadership. Are they dissing the other leaders? Dion can't even get the ghosts of leaders past present and future to agree on the inquiry.

Last I checked the commonwealth nations numbered 52 or 53. Canada has one vote,therefore a sensible plan has to have the vote of at least another 25 nations to be adopted. Why are the MSM and the rest of the useful idiots (lizzie,jack,etc.) allowed to overlook this fact? Canada is not alone in opposing posturing and propaganda.

The media is raining (well it is snowing here actually) on Harper's international leadership. He brokered a deal that none of his Commonwealth counterparts could and his government also led the strongest rebuke of Pakistan at the Commonwealth gathering.

next time some Kyotoist calls China a "developing country" needing special Kyoto exemptions, ask them how a developing country can have a Space Program that plans currently operates a Moon shot, a massive military organization spending enormous sums to re-arm with the most modern weapons and can afford tens of billions to host the Summer games next year ?

Some "developing".

Exactly right, fred. China certainly still has an enormous peasant population, but it's not comparable to a common meaning of 'developing'.

I'm wondering if all the hysteria and rants that is becoming the 'mode' on parliament hill - rants led by the Liberals and NDP - is really an agenda for an election in the spring.

I think the Liberals want an election. Soon. Harper doesn't; he has work to do; you can check out how busy this govt is, by going to

http://www.gc.ca/whats/whaind_e.html
And that's just one day.

But the Liberals want an election. I'm wondering, speculating, that they are creating a hysteric, out of control, House - filled with insane accusations and rhetoric, which their MSM faithfully reports, while it completely ignores the real work being done by Harper and the govt.

This sets up an image of govt as a hysteric out of control House. The public doesn't know that it's not the Conservatives behind this, but the Liberals, and NDP. All they know is the insane ranting. How does one stop it? With an election?

The Liberals want an election to get rid of Dion. Dion wants an election because he assumes he'll win. The NDP want an election because they figure they'll take seats from the Liberals. Neither party is interested in Canada or govt. Just power.

Canada's obligation is not to transfer the hard earned wealth of Canadians to the third world as Kyoto would have us do! It is not to try and fulfill the "commitment" of the little guy from Shawinigan who never even intended or attempted to fulfill his own "commitment" in 3 majority governments. It IS to try to improve the environment in Canada to the extent that the economy can reasonably absorb. The very idea of transferring multiple billions as carbon "credits" to countries who, to say the least, are destroying their own ecosystems at present is ludicrous. The billions would more than likely disappear in the sinkhole of corrupt government and not reduce carbon at all.. Mr. Harper is NOT a saboteur to anything that had a hope of helping the environment! He is I dearly pray, a poison pill to the dirty 'scheme" to steal from Canadians to support favourite 'lefty' projects!

The problem with getting too caught up with what Elizabeth May says is that you fall into the Joe Clark Relevancy Abyss. Sure, she's fun to expose, but to what end? She's already unelectable.

This from a broad that wanted to become a minister so that she could collect a pension. Of course we know that she doesn't pray to the same god that all those evil Christians pray to.

Joe who?

I also listened to Lizzie May on Rutherford today but I had to turn up my radio since my Duramax was just purring in elevated idle mode as it quickly tried to warm it and my self up from the -18 C temp. It was a crisp day in the patch as we kept the trains running on time, kept the plants running efficiently, producing that clean burning green energy, natural gas, to ensure the radio guest booth's leather chair was warm for Lizzie's tush.

After listening for 10 minutes or so, the feeling came back to my fingers and cheeks but it wasn't because the Chev was warmed up. Yes, let them have another voice on the left. She could become Canada's Ralph Nader.

Jake is exactly right when he says "The very idea of transferring multiple billions as carbon "credits" to countries who, to say the least, are destroying their own ecosystems at present is ludicrous." The puzzle is, why has noone in the media attempt to examine Kyoto critically. (Exception, Ezra Levant in Fight Kyoto -- still a worthwhile book.) There are so many things wrong with the Kyoto model, yet it has become a sacred cow among environmentalists. Is there no curiosity about what's behind it? Canada is severely penalized in Kyoto, for one, because we did a lot of pollution reduction before the Kyoto benchmark year and were starting from a relatively clean position environmentally speaking (and relatively speaking) with a requirement that we reduce still more. We were also sold down the river by Chretien -- don't know what he must have been thinking . . . certainly not thinking environment since there was no serious follow-up. The media's failure to examine this issue critically is puzzling.

Let us see now.
“Most of the 54-member Commonwealth supported such a deal.”
Someone already mentioned there were 51 of them. Why is it that the CP could just not bring itself to report that rather than stating “most”.

“He also irked opposition MPs with his comment the Kyoto protocol was a mistake that shouldn't be repeated.”
Of course he did, if he said nothing he would irk opposition, if he said something that the French citizen Dion said, he would irk opposition. It goes without saying.

Contrary to being out of step and blah, blah, blah, the PM showed confidence and leadership; in fact, what he proposed was accepted as a workable solution, which would qualify as leadership. It could be said surprising confidence and leadership, though it’s become standard practice.

Could it be said that because of the French citizens Dion’s leadership hardship, he cannot recognize leadership when he sees one?

“We need all the big emitters on board.” That is leadership…….no?

Seems the socialist talker is off the deep end altogether, does not count.

Just about a year ago the May lady traveled the country, telling people on Victoria radio that most of the island will be underwater in not too distant future.
There was an overnight radio program by Art Bell from high desert in Nevada, today the program is overnight and is called ‘Coast to coast’. They talk about UFO’s, Roswell, NM and other such fun stuff. The way the May lady talks, sounds like her statements would fit the format.

Yeah....and YOU make Camilla Parker Bowles look like a damn model you pug fugly pig

Posted by: Buzzard Peachgrove at November 26, 2007 4:27 PM

I just love it when a man shows ignorance and his being incapable of joining in an intelligent conversation when he resorts to ridiculing a woman's appearance as opposed to actually having an opinion!

Honestly buddy, grow up. Disagree if you like, but her looks have nothing to do with it.

Anyone who takes their information from the Kanukistani MSM will be:

1) half informed
2) sold the agenda of the media's current patrons
3) unconsciously functioning as a blind partisan.
4) robbed of critical reasoning

The GREEN PARTY should realy be called THE WATERMELLON PARTY becuase the green on the outside and red on the indise

Septtwo...Peachgrove is just bringing the level of discourse down so that the leftards can understand him/her.