12 views Warren? Traffic seems to have fallen off a cliff since Martin stopped being PM and you lost your purpose.

Traffic was never there in the first place. the serial traffic inflator used to boast about his hits, then plead ignorance when it was pointed out that hits do not equal visits.

But lots of media buy into his claims. Nearly as badly as they do Bourque's.

Interesting how the MSM still frames the "Schreiber story" by admitting that it "hasn't negatively affected the Conservatives" as though that would be the only result (indirectly demonstrating their secret desire). They could never characterize it as a feeble attempt by the floundering Liberals to divert attention from their sleazy dealings and run-ins with the law, which, mind you, through public inquiry has tainted the for years to come, unlike public inquiries concerning Mulroney.

The "views" counter just refers to those who clicked on the permalink doesn't it? Kind of an irrelevant counter when there is no discussion thread to want to see.

Back when I "blogged", a link from SDA or from Kinsella always bumped me meagre totals up about the same on average, for what it's worth, with a lot of government and media visits that I would not otherwise get when WK linked and a lot of western and US visits that I would not otherwise get when SDA linked.

In the end, who cares? It's not like he's as misleading as Bourque or anything. You like the content, keep visiting. You don't, don't. Isn't that what this online medium is really all about.

I used to check out Kinsella. It never hurts to know what the other side is thinking. I found him to be should an arrogant twerp that I had to quit bothering.
Now I check out Cherniak for giggles. Also a partisan hack, but totally clueless.

I agree with you to a point, Ted, mostly as he doesn't solicit advertising. Bourque's advertisers should demand to see his server stats before they shell out another nickle.

But Kinsella liked to go around claiming he had more "hits" than national newspapers had readers. So when he pulled those page view stats down, you have a pretty good idea of why.

And yet no political party, provincial or federal, Conservative or otherwise, would ever publicly acknowledge, let alone endorse, the views espoused on SDA. They'll happily let you do their dirty work, but they won't formally touch this site with a ten-foot pole.

In the battle of blogger egos, which is worse: pompous windbag or volunteer party lapdog?

"In the battle of blogger egos, which is worse: pompous windbag or volunteer party lapdog?"

Well, seeing as WK is both..uh, what was your point again?

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"In the end, who cares?"

Obviously you do Ted or you wouldn't continue to soil your liberal hubris and phony gravitas posting with the trailer park trash on SDA.

"And yet no political party, provincial or federal, Conservative or otherwise, would ever publicly acknowledge, let alone endorse, the views espoused on SDA."

You mean the same SDA that's been cited in both the Saskatchewan Legislature and Parliament?

Try searching Hansard...

WL:

I said I don't care about the claims about who has the bigger... ahem... hit count. I read what I like and what challenges me; not because someone has a bigger this or that. Maybe you disagree.

"I said I don't care about the claims about who has the bigger... ahem"

Perhaps...I just have a problem believing any left of center dogmatist does anything which hasn't an ulterior political or ideological motivation....like using SDA to pull traffic to their blog

Just my first hand observation of the leftist creed...they always seem to gravitate to doctrines that reaffirm their political dogma....your repeated presence at SDA seems a stark anomaly...for most leftists this is considered slumming in their genetic hubris.

Then again, I'm more Libertarian than conservative so my presence here has been challenged many times...so don't take my musing personally.

If you aren't a dogmatic Liberal I apologise for the prejudgement ...but from your writing I don't think I made a mistake.

Sure Kate .... did he send an e-mail to let you know how much he appreciated your sending traffic his way??

Kate: You mean the same SDA that's been cited in both the Saskatchewan Legislature and Parliament?

Ah, but in what context, Kate? Mr. D’Autremont was happy to use the fact of SDA as an opportunity to score political points against Mr. Thompson, but it's not like anyone was/is citing substantive content from your site. Given the extremity of the views espoused here, it's unsurprising that there's nary a politician who'd dare affiliate him/herself with SDA. You may be a popular read on the internet, and Kinsella may indeed be a pompous windbag, but nobody's asking for your opinions on policy.

WL:

your repeated presence at SDA seems a stark anomaly...for most leftists this is considered slumming in their genetic hubris.

Then you may want to consider revisiting the assumption that I am a "leftist" just because I am not a social conservative and because I don't like Harper.

Then again, I'm more Libertarian than conservative

And so am I.

Just like in TV, ratings/share are everything, and in newspapers, readership is everything, on the internet, traffic is everything.

"And yet no political party, provincial or federal, Conservative or otherwise, would ever publicly acknowledge, let alone endorse, the views espoused on SDA."

"Given the extremity of the views espoused here"

There's nothing extreme about the views of a site that attracts the traffic of this site and was voted the best canadian blog.

Liberals love to call their own views "mainstream" and everything else extreme! If they had their way, they'd have a government commission decide what we're all supposed to think.

snobs abound in every theater

"You may be a popular read on the internet, and Kinsella may indeed be a pompous windbag, but nobody's asking for your opinions on policy."

Any website which can help take down a socialist Canadian government speaks volumes about policy advice, giving . . or taking.
One can only hope the CBC will get some serious attention from Kate's SDA in the near future.
Geez, just think of this scenario . .
Canadian child poverty eliminated due to the infusion of a billion and a half dollars per year taken from the newly privatized and former CBC Pravda
organ.

I don't presume to offer "advice on policy". I'm an ordinary Canadian and dissatisfied media consumer expressing my views, sharing what interests me - nothing more, nothing less.

I am very weary of the NDP constantly saying
"All Canadaians feel.."
"All Canadians want.."
"All Canadians think.."
They haven't a clue how Canadians feel,think or want. Thank God for blogs and SDA

No, the NDP have no clue what Canadians want but we've been letting them know for a very long time we do not want them!

As for Warren Kinsella, he's just a smart ass trickster. He can come up with things like toy dinosaurs to attract attention. In the Ontario Election he came up with an idea to keep the faith based school issue in the front pages to beat the conservatives with. We got back a liar and complete incompetent as a result of his help.

Warren has a band called "Shit from Hell", maybe he should take it on the road and get stop political mischief. He is the embodiment of shit from hell.

In Warren's defence, the "Traffic stats" only increase when someone clicks on the link to view the story... however, when the story is so short as the one in question, who's going to click on the link?

6,968,848.When Kinsella can post that number,then maybe somebody will believe him. NOT

That will I suspect read 7,000,000 by about midnight tonight, eh?

Warren Kinsella is interesting insofar as he is a 'canary in the LIEberal coal mine'.

The LIEberals know that their vote will likely implode on the next trip to the hustings. The LIEberals are just trying to figure out how to minimize the damage.

Their carboniferous stance on Kyotism has served only to illustrate they signed on to a bad deal. If Stephane Dion really believed in the veracity of Kyoto he would have voted down any number of pieces of legislation to defeat the government. He simply did not. Ergo, Stephane Dion is not a man of his convictions. 13 years as part of the governing LIEberals and nothing to show for Kyoto, including being Minister of the Environment!

Stephane Dion has demonstrated himself to be a man of political posturing, rather than of principle. He can talk all he wants, at the end of the day one judges character by actions.

When Stephane Dion bridges this chasm one might take him seriously.

Stephen Harper on the other hand has vigourously set his course and sailed the legislative storms.

Meanwhile, Stephane Dion has pursued the war of political posturing. It is a game of political "SITZKRIEG" firing only blanks, as he is clearly out of "live" ammunition.

It is like 1914, only it is a Parliamentary "phony war". But then 1914-1918 might be accurately described as "shit from hell"; on this score WK's punk band may have some historical resonance, which it clearly lacks in the musical arena.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion

2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)

Knecht Rupprecht Division

Hans Corps

1st Saint Nicolaas Army

Army Group “True North”

Warren who?

:^))

JCL

apart from the illiterat does anybody give a rats ass?

Problem is,old white guy,we have to give a hoot,because the leftards/socialists have a way of sneaking up on you unless you are watching out for them.They snuck through the so called Charter of rights,when they just want to make you equal to all,with them as the overlords. Remeber they old saying,they came for...

Yes, OWG, better stay on your guard because if you let the leftards/socialists get away with claiming mere "visits" or "views" are actually "hits" on their online weblog number counters today, then it is only a matter of time before the next Holocaust!!!!!!!!!!!

Ted:

The next Holocaust is already here, some people call it Darfur.

Meanwhile the cbc today wonders why minister Baird took a swipe at dalton mcsquinty.Probably because he was a member of the cons that the libs defaeted in the last provincial election and that the mines that dalton promised to close if reelected are still open,this probably bugs Baird the smug reporter mused.Not a word on why the flip flop or the fact that dalton lied again.

Wow, Hans. Warren Kinsella fudging on his hits numbers has resulted in the atrocities in Darfur!! I had no idea.

Personally I like anything that puts Liberals and Socialists in their place.

Before anyone goes all nuclear...

That place is 'Idiotville'

Ted: Seeing that you brought up the Holocaust, we'll leave you to make the causal connectors.

Cheers

Uh, Efraim (12:38 PM): What would make you think that Mr. Kinsella has any influence on policy himself? As far as his claims are concerned, the one about his Web popularity is provably laced with self-hype.

The size of WK's ego eclipses the paltry blogosphere and his friends in the MSM work diligently to feed the beast.

From the fawning Christie Clark who invariably introduces the great WK as Canada's PREMIER BLOGGER to the following gem that Warren has posted on his site, the message is clear that Warren is all that and a bag of chips.

.this one from the indispensable Inside Queen's Park :

FOR YOUR BOOKSHELF
Warren Kinsella’s The War Room (Dundurn, $29.99)
gets a strong buy recommendation from political book reviewer Stewart Kiff as well as a warm endorsement from the Sun’s Christina Blizzard. The sixth book by Kinsella, the COUNTRY'S LEADING BLOGGER, is as expected breezily written. His illuminating explication of the election campaign machinations of the now ubiquitous party ‘war rooms’, in which he is a highly accomplished
operative, is more satisfying than his treatment of how cutting edge electioneering can be usefully taken up by non-profits and other stakeholders.

In reality, Kinsella beat the drums to establish the myth that he is the king of Canadian political bloggers.

Kate went a few rounds with him on Adler (Christy was guest hosting) and when confronted with facts the best defense he could muster was a cheap shot about 1 (one) comment posted on SDA that was inappropriate.

The man is nothing more than a backroom image maker that utilizes dirty tricks from the sophomoric to the Nixonian. Blogging is merely a tool to legitimize his dirty tricks squad.

I find Ted's comments here to be most telling:

Back when I "blogged", a link from SDA or from Kinsella always bumped me meagre totals up about the same on average, for what it's worth, with a lot of government and media visits that I would not otherwise get when WK linked and a lot of western and US visits that I would not otherwise get when SDA linked.

What that says to me is that politicians and the media have bought WK's self promoting bullshit.

Ironically, during the last federal election and the ensuing Liberal leadership race I found Ted's stuff to be honest and insightfull, in other words a nice juxtaposition to Kinsella's tripe.

And while I'm on the irony angle....the MSM are falling all over themselves proclaiming the brilliance of WK's latest book on war room operations. This would be the same MSM that a few months back were squealing that the evil Harper had ramped up a massive WAR ROOM! Egads!

Kinsella is the antithesis of what blogging means to me. The exchange of thought and opinion by us peons who are sick of all the backroom knife throwers like Kinsella.

The man may be Canada's prima dona trickster/spinner and by all accounts he's doing well for himself at it but as far as bloggers go he isn't much.

Unless you ask him.

Syncro

In Warren's defence, the "Traffic stats" only increase when someone clicks on the link to view the story"

Sure. But consider this - those 12 page views WK.com indicates took two days to add up.

I just checked sitemeter, and two of my individual pages recorded 7 incoming views (readers who skipped the main page) in the past 9 _minutes_.

poor Warren , already delegated to the trash bin of history on the MSM and now on the new media.

makes me laugh a hearty laugh , HAR HAR.

Syncrodox,

"Kinsella is the antithesis of what blogging means to me. The exchange of thought and opinion by us peons who are sick of all the backroom knife throwers like Kinsella."

Exactly.

A few words from Christina Blizzard

As an Ottawa and Queen's Park insider, Kinsella has plenty of fascinating insight into the skulduggery of political campaigns. As a journalist reading his book, though, it's hard to avoid the feeling that Kinsella feels slightly superior to us -- that he's somehow sneering at the way he can manipulate the news. He says that's not true. And as a former journalist himself, he holds reporters in high regard.

"If I am irritated with anyone it is with political people who always assume that reporters are the enemy," he said.

"The reporters I know are professionals. They are doing it because they believe, rightly, that they contribute to democracy," he said. What's changed, he says, is there are now fewer reporters doing more work. "

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Blizzard_Christina/2007/11/11/4647139-sun.php

Hey, I like Warren Kinsella.

Without him, the Crooked Lieberal Party du Canada wouldn't be where they are today with out him.

Heh.

H. Ryan a further check of the Hansard, unprovided by CBC, gives you your answer. Baird took a swipe at McGuinty because he failed to, as promised, close coal-fired energy generation stations in Ont. Did they mention that?

12 views in 2 days…Doom Chakka-Chakka Doom!

I heard Warren on the radio the other day indicating that Harper has made a huge mistake in alienating the Press Gallery, and that they will punish him come election time. I wonder if he realizes what an indictment of his colleages this sort of statement is. It is a pretty up-front acknowledgement that the reporters on Parliament Hill would focus on personal petty grievances rather than objective professional reporting. If that is true, these people really are a cabal . . . but let's hope he does not speak for most.

Did you hear it on the radio, via...his website??!!

Anyway, I think Warren's got a point, whether the Blogging Tories and his brain trust want to acknowledge it or not, and it's that more people get their news from the MSM than from partisan blogs. Full stop.

Yes, we all know how evil the MSM is, and how they will try to nail Harper to the wall on real or imagined scandals (as they've tried to do, with various degrees of success) with EVERY PRIME MINISTER IN CANADIAN HISTORY.

Question is, why would the Tories focus on blogs and the internet? It ain't payin' off, since they're not moving substantially in the polls and they're only preaching to the choir anyway.

Harper doesn't, shouldn't, and won't kiss the media's ass. But he's got to be laying the groundwork for some more favourable coverage during an election - and particularly during a rough spot or two in an election, of which there will most definitely be.

Bloggers - on the right and left - are far too arrogant for their own good. Kate, you did not bring down Lorne Calvert, and to insinuate such can only be an excercise in ego stuffing. Neither Warren bring down John Tory. Tory brought down Tory, and Calvert brought down himself. Somewhere in the middle of all that is the voting public who, believe me, do not take their cues from Kate McMillan or Warren Kinsella.

Sheesh.

Mark Steyn has a good article he wrote a while back concerning Web Wanker Warren on his website.

Ringo...and which polls would you be referring to? The ones that are often skewered to reflect the desired answer.I believe that is why Kate created this site,so that we are not told how we think,by polls or the media.To put it in your words,polls,sheesh.

h.ryan,

So you're pretty sure Harper's cruising in majority territory right now, and it's just those darned "skewered" polls that are lying to everyone, eh?

Darn those polls. I had no idea Harper was so well liked, and would win a majority government in a snap election....you're right, I hate the MSM! Thank god Kate created this site...where everyday, Stephen Harper is riding high atop the imaginary, unskewered polls, catching Grey Cup winning touchdown passes in the end zone, and personally punching out every Toronto Star reporter who comes within swingin' zone.

Ringo...I never said Harper will get a majority,as for catching touchdown passes,if you can't shoot it with a hockey stick,I could care less.Punching out the red star reporters,now you may be on to something.

Why in hell would anybody want to know what a Crutonite bootlick like warren kinsella has to say- about anything?

Kate took down the NDP? Come on, we all know it was John Gormley who did that...

; )

Cheers!

Leto