Borat Dion and the Lieberals forgot one thing. Most Canadians are not stupid.......

The survey...has a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

And the 1 time out of 20 we royally piss off the Liberals because we did all we could as the Official Propaganda Arm to secure an election for them, but guess what, the Alberta Rednecks and Western KKKrsitians turned out in full force and overwhelmed the election despite the rigging of the ballots by the NDP teat-sucking Union workers.

After Mulroney left the PMO there were only two Torys left in parliament. Since then we had the Reform pary and then the Alliance and now the Conservatives all built from the ground up. How can this government have anything to do with the Mulroney gang. I think most Canadians can figure this out for themselves.

However, the stink of the Liberal criminal dynasty is still reeking in the halls of government in Ottawa.

Kate sez: "And this [i]s a Decima poll."

And reporting this poll is The Red Star. 'Nuff said.

Bri C: Most Canadians are not stupid.......

Though according to the SDA faithful, they're brainwashed, passive, and dependent.

and who gives a patootie what the lieberals think?

get on with the investigation FINALLY and either clear his name (THAT hasnt been done yet and its mulruin's own fault for lying about his business dealings with the ol' karl) or toss the bugger behind bars. if that happens can I have his order of canuckistan medal?

I think this will blow up in the Liberals' face. The Trudeau-era ministers are helping a guy accused of bribery and tax evasion in Germany. Sure, Mulroney taking $300 000 in cash wasn't bright, but so far, no one has been able to show he did anything illegal. KarlHeinz Schreiber, on the other hand, is playing the political system for all its worth to avoid facing charges. And Trudeau-era ministers are helping him.

Anderson said the poll found that Canadians aren't convinced that the Harper Conservatives are the same as the Mulroney Conservatives, and voters don't connect Harper with the scandal.

Voters don't buy Mark Holland and Stephane Dion's inaccurate and inflammatory prattling.

The theory that Harper was somehow at fault for not reviewing the Schrieber stuff was based on a faulty assumption. Both the Privy Council Office and Harper handled this exactly as they should have.

Dion's gang makes the Keystone Kops look like JTF2.

A said "Though according to the SDA faithful, they're brainwashed, passive, and dependent."

Of course they're brainwashed; Most of the people that I know around here think that the Liberals should stay in power forever. They have no idea who the leader of the federal Liberal Party is, but why should they develop an opinion of their own when mom and dad tell them who to vote for?

I have said this before, Conservatives are getting MAD. No more just voting Conservative, it's time to tell people why they should vote Conservative.

Liberals are trying too hard to smear Harper. They will suffer for it because most voters see Harper as honest, and Liberals as crooks.

The newspaper and the polls would really, really, really like to get something out of this, to feed the opposition. While most normal people took notice, found no connection between PM of 20 years ago and PM of today and moved on, the two spinmeisters are left in the dust, still spinning the old news.

If you notice, Iggy has been pretty quiet on this front. He has not said boo on the issue.
The fiasco today in the ethics committee, I think the public is getting pretty sick and tired of of all the political grandstanding and muckraking. I mean come on we pay these clowns to basically smear one another? They really need to get down and actually do some work for a change.

Thank God the CPC dumped Garth Turner - he's now trying to crash the local Santa Claus parade to get more local exposure....looks good on Dion's little fundraising elf!

http://repossessinghalton.blogspot.com/

Next, the Liberals will be calling Harper SCARY.

Interestingly, nothing is moving in the polls. I think this is just because people aren't interested and won't be until the next election.

If it had been the other way around the Star would have made it front page news, and the CBC would have headlined it, instead of their continued attackes on the RCMP.

The trick in this is that KHS gets his extradition postponed by someone other than himself.
He does it the government can say the issue is before the SC.
If the committee decides to prevail on the speaker to issue a warrant, the opposition wears it as going to bat for KHS, an outcome his lawyers pray for.
The only thing that can be expected is that Nicholson will let the clock run out on KHS, at which point any opposition "howls of protest" will be greeted with the response that the minister allowed Mr Schrieber 15 days to launch an appeal...which he didn't.
Its a waiting game to see who blinks first.
However the trouble for the libeals is they forgot the NDP has decided not to play to the lib script.
BTW, pity that the PCO has put it in writing that they didn't pass KHS letters on to the PM on the basis that it would be inappropriate under the circumstances of KHS pending extradition.

I predict a major embarrassment for the liberals over this one....and not just for Dion.
Must be why Iggy has made himself scarce of late.

Very good news. I was fearing that the Liberals would jump over any bump in their support and force an election NOW...one, to get back in power and two, to either get rid of Dion (if they lost) or to prop him up on a pedestal (if they won).

If they're not getting a bump in the polls, then they likely won't risk an election.

I agree with Bri C - "Most Canadians are not stupid......."

And I disagree with A's assertion that liberal voter's are "brainwashed, passive and dependant"

I think most people that continually vote Liberal are just not interested in following politics, so they vote traditionally if they vote at all.

I know, because I was one of them when I lived back east. I always voted Liberal more on a traditional basis because a close family friend was a Liberal MP back in the late 60 and 70's (before I was eligible to vote) and my dad campaigned for him.

Since moving out west, I have always voted on the "right" as I think that I have become more politically aware. It is beyond me how anyone could ever, ever vote for the LPC for what they stand for today.

I would say that the CPC should be thankful that there is only a 65% voter turnout because the 35% of eligible voters that fail to mark a ballot would place their votes in their traditional spot and that probably isn't the CPC.

It's quite the show, the Dinky Dippers and Loopy Liberals fighting it out in committee, the Conservatives just simply had to file out and let them have at each other. Nothing accomplished which is exactly the way Libranos conduct themselves in all committee work, they can't bear allowing others to have a say. Just ask Marlene Jennings how it's done.

Decima is still a Liberal friendly poll, if they can't pull a top number for the Libs it's pretty bad for them.
It's a well established fact that the CBC, CTV, as well as Left leaning rags do put polls favoring the Libs up front of all news reports and it's front page news.

What's going to come forward is Mulroney did nothing illegal in accepting cash, it was merely a foolish move on his part as it has provided fodder for the less than pure Liberals. When it comes to scams and corruption, this is very small potatoes. It's more a personal than federal discretion.
In the end, Mulroney will make them all look pretty foolish, he's already said he made a mistake to take the cash. Ethical behavior can be questioned, what else? He broke some rule?

If there were an inquiry into unethical behavior we could look at the past Liberal governments under Chretien and Martin and any bets we'd come up clean?

Canadians have settled on Harper as the care taker government because there is NO "government in waiting".

...on the opposite side of the house we see crackhead Layton and his Merry bad of prosperity haters,...

... Gumby Duceppe and a tribe of ethereal Moonies who think if you speak French you have a right to plunder the universe,...

...and the feces-splattered Libranos...a political money laundering syndicate who's main racketeers bailed before indictments leaving the party with a warring tribes of philistine sociopaths and egotists fighting over the plundered patronage scraps abandoned by the main gangsters.

Seems Harper can stay as long as he wants as long as he doesn't F-up like the political trash across the house from him....try as they might to paint Harper with the dirt that covers the opposition, people see the Librano-MSM witch hunts for what they are....a theatrical production of moral exhibitionism by the oldest whores on the block

Well said, WLMR.
To quote a famous person, "there's no whore like an old whore".
In the case of the Lieberals let's say no whores like old whores rejected.

I think when this inquiry starts there will be more liberals on the defence than conservatives.I suspect liberals had a few dealings with karl to,thats why a few of the older liberals are quiet.

There is a difference between lying and not volunteering information. If you are not asked a question, not giving an answer is not lying. Brian was never asked if he received money from KS during the investigation or whatever it was.
Funny how Dion thinks PMSH should have known about KS/Brian, when he thinks we should accept his so called ignorance of Adscam.
I think the lights have gone on in Dion's head and he realizes that this will all come back to hit liberals hard, and that is why the media and ethics committee are trying to get out of a full fledged inquiry. Dion was warned. Who was PMSH referring to when he mentioned ghost of future leader.

An Inquiry?
Of the government,by the government and a police force that knows too much,too ever be brought to heel.
No one EVER dared cross J Edgar.
Unless I missed something.Does anyone know of anyone in government EVER brought to the payup window?
Ever hear of the Cornwall public inquiry?
We don't mind being laughed at do we?
Forget it,go back to eating choclates.

WLMR:

I'm always eager anticipating the adjective-laden comments you post regarding our political scene. LMAO!

Ps. I mean to be complimentary...

Noticed Chretien is yapping about not knowing about $300,000 payment, that he was "misled" by the RCMP. Being misled is the last refuge of an incompetent. This went nowhere when first released this weekend; it seems MSM not interested in Chretien's musings. Anyway, Mulroney admits taking cash payment was "collosal mistake" and it's clear so far money not related to Airbus. Below is article that shows why Grits are ones who look bad in affair, with NDP makig "collosal mistake" of trying to stain every past leader, Grit or Tory:

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=5f069fe3-c56b-4e96-9223-aaaa5a1bd8b2

Grits have used this moment to try again to freeze parliament, given their abstentions haven't worked. Dion has terrible political judgement, and will jump the shark if he persists in his stupidity in this affair.

BTW, I'm still awaiting report on contempt of parliament case against Mark Holland. Why hasn't speaker ruled on this matter? I guess they filed it in the same place as "Grits paying back stolen money" file.

So let me get this straight…
All the Liberal mudslinging has landed on who?…oh yes…the Liberals! Schreiber gives $10,000 to the Liberals…Marc Lalonde bails Schreiber out to the tune of $100,000…Chretien says …”NO inquiry”. Did Thibault help Schreiber write the letter to Stephen Harper in order to implicate him? Paul Szabo sabotages the committee.The old Liberals it appears are running scared. TOO many skeletons in the Liberal closets? Yep…I think so!

It's a good thing being stupid is not illegal.

Mulroney's spokesman Luc Lavoie used the stupid defence and laid out the terms of the $300,000 retainer Schreiber gave Mulroney.

$100,000 over three years. Nothing illegal about that. Now, Schreiber claims Mulroney did not deliver and the lawsuit he launched against Mulroney is to recover the $300,000 that Schreiber now claims is a bad investment.

Boy, the Quebec Liberal Party sure could use $300,000 about now. But, since it no longer gets kickbacks on taxpayer dollars, it's bankrupt. Hahahahahaha.

What a tempest in a freakin' teapot. And, I don't particularly like Mulroney, who failed to deliver on his promise of getting the federal financial house in order.

As this story progressed, and I learned more about just what a snake in the grass KHS is, it struck me that the Liberals must have been pretty desperate to hook themselves to KHS's wagon.

Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost now. I suspect that a number of senior Liberals, such as Iggy, are pretty miffed at this strategy.

The hidden agenda that the left feared has been revealed.

It's pragmatic, responsible government with rational policies. This reveals just how irresponsible, criminal, petty and juvenile the Liberals were and are. Standing for nothing. Always placing prejudice above principle.

Now they bicker amongst themselves, destroying whatever is left of their evil empire. All the while attempting to get even, rather than fixing their problems. As if their punishment for the looting of public trust and money was only deserving because they were caught.

As for the NDP. Who cares? Their ideas are bankrupt and their party is irrelevant. Not to mention the disconnect from their hero and founder, whose picadillos still need much exploitation.

Read Angry on what may unfold in the scope of the Schreiber inquiry. It's possible that Chretien & Martin might be under the lights.Heh!
http://stevejanke.com/archives/247235.php

It shouldn't be referred to as the Brian Mulrony-Karlheinz Shreiber affair. Nor should it be the the Mulroney-Schreiber affair, or vice-versa. It should be the CBC-Liberal-Schreiber scam. (Rhymes with Adscam.)
Why is the CBC, in the heart of the new fall television season, when innovative and new programs should be aired, repeating "The Fifth Estate" and the Schreiber-Mulroney affair??? (Airs tonight.)
If you've answered, "To boost failing Liberal popularity," give yourself a pat on the back. One slight probelm. It's not he Liberals, but the Canadian taxpayer who pays CBC's "billion dollar budget," And to all the viewers who might be tempted to watch the program, how about we boycott the sponsors!! (Kate, may I suggest listing the sponsors on this site!!)

If at first you don't succeed...now the Libranos are trying to drag the Conservatives into the Ottawa Mayor's troubles.....don't they ever learn...

JCL

Hey, maybe Garth wants equal billing with Santa Claus, why else would he want to crash the Parade in Halton?
Maybe he's going to toss vote for me flyers from the sleigh.

Harper's words, "do you really want me to go there", may ring clearly as this process unfolds. Some are looking very concerned, even some of their minions in the press and on TV.

The Liberals in trying to make a big deal out of this is comparable to trying to make a mountain out of a handful of sand. Old news and almost irrelevant.

"Most Canadians are not stupid......."

Really? Why then does CPC support continue to languish in the 32-36% range? I'd say roughly 2/3 of Canadian are, in fact, stupid.

That SOB Mulroney at least has credit for getting me interested in politics.He was a disgustingly arrogant pork-barreler and I was proud to contribute to kicking his ass to the curb.Little did i know it was from the frying pan to the fire.

Since then,I have yet to vote for any sitting party at either provincial or federal levels.I have yet to see a government EARN my vote.

When the fuck will Canadian voters,lib,con or dipper wake up and see that the decisions and policies of these parties are for their own benefit....not ours.

Baaaaaaaa!
Good little sheep.

Dennis said : ...."it struck me that the Liberals must have been pretty desperate to hook themselves to KHS's wagon."

Birds of a feather friend......

MRV said:

"WLMR:I'm always eager anticipating the adjective-laden comments you post regarding our political scene. LMAO!"

I just calls 'em like I sees 'em MR.

..with the lot of conscience-challenged psychoneurotics in the federal opposition benches, Ottawa media elite and the Jurocracy, humor is the one tool we have to put their pretentious moral superiority where it really belongs; as a public dirty joke.

Besides I thought "Crack Head Layton" and "Prospertity haters" summed up the Dipper sitrep in one line. ;-)

"Feces-spattered Libranos" is a self evident descriptive adjective...

...and don't the nationalist Francophonie want to plunder the universe to fund their mono-linguitic utopia? :-)

statically speaking, 50% of Canadians are dumber than average. responses to this will determine which half some fall into.

new keyboard, looks like I placed myself to the left of the graph.

Statistically speaking, 50% of Canadians are dumber than average, responses to this will determine which half some fall into.

so much for smarmy remarks today.

$300,000 in cash.
$100,000 in the Pierre Hotel in New York.
$100,000 at the deserted Mirabel Airport.
$100,000 in a hotel room at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel, a block away from Mulroney's office.
No contract.
No invoices.
No cheques.
This is an honest business dealing?

Assertions have been made that Lalonde and McEachern each received $100,000 from Shreiber, as well, for consulting and influencing services.
The mud slinging has just started and many more skeletons will come out of Lib.and Conservative closets. Gagliano maybe? Love to see him back!

The Ethics Committee,very politically partisan, is no place to examine such charges. Let a judge do it!!

This is an honest business dealing?

According to the LIEberal party of Canada Modus Operandi, that's small potatoes.

You need to be talking hundreds of millions.

Plus, there are no dead hookers and suitcases full of cash.

Mark Bourrie asks: "This is an honest business dealing?" -- maybe not, but you will have a hard time linking any of this to Airbus . . . the RCMP have already tried and it's no go. You will also have a hard time proving that anything illegal was done. Mr. Schrieber in particular was a very careful business man and will not have left any incriminating evidence about his business dealings. Nothing will come of the enquiry -- except for, possibly, Mr. Mulroney getting more money and another apology.

I am convinced that the price of Mr. Schreiber's testimony will be getting the extradition order quashed. The Liberal strategist today on Duffy naively commented that we need to get Schreiber's testimony and then we can allow the extradition to proceed. Schreiber's "secrets" is all he has to fight the extradition, and he will not be giving anything away until he has a full guarantee of being able to remain in Canada permanently. Are the Liberals ready to take responsibility for Schreiber's never having to face the charges against him in Germany? It would not look good.

"WLMR:I'm always eager anticipating the adjective-laden comments you post regarding our political scene. LMAO!"

yah, me too:-))))

I always equate Reducks to a philosipher

philosipher is someone who can says NOTHING in a 1000 words or more!!!!!!

MJH
re:-"Assertions have been made that Lalonde and McEachern each received $100,000 from Shreiber"
Do you have any links or suggestions for digging in to this?
Please post, this could be great!

Doug, maybe no dead hookers, but definitely suitcases full of money.
$100,000 in hundreds is 1000 bills, which really won't fit into any but the largest envelope.
In smaller, easy to negotoiate bills, we'd be talking suitcases.
Again, does this look like honest business? Would it look that way if you, I, or Joe the House Builder operated that way?
We're talking about a former Prime Minister of Canada. How do you think, on top of sponsorship and Shawinigate, we look to foreigners?

Stephanie D-Yawn claims to have no knowledge of any Lie-berals accepting money from K.H. Schreiber.

This may be true, but?

Well, two Lie-berals would be Marc Lalonde(Trudeau Foundation director-125 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS} and Ian Scott(former Attorney General under David Peterson).

Both of them on $100,000 a year retainers from Schreiber years before the offer to Mulroney.

Link to Jack Aubry's story for you Rich.

According to Schreiber these two Lie-berals were on retainer.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=7f3645cb-40ba-489b-aae5-a51510805fdf&p=2

Teddy on Mr. Mulroney...

'He was a disgustingly arrogant pork-barreler and I was proud to contribute to kicking his ass to the curb'

Did I miss something? I thought Mr. Mulroney won back to back majorities. Didn't Kim Campbell take over then?

Partisan hatred....so funny

"Partisan hatred....so funny"
Posted by: Paul

You obviously didn't read my entire post,numbnuts(granted it was a whole 7 sentences long).
I have no respect for either party.
Are you so freaking stupid as to believe Campbell herself was responsible for the absolute decimation of that party?
That voter anger was directed squarely at Mulroney and his arrogant reign.

You are the myopic,partisan twit here.

"Partisan hatred....so funny"
Posted by: Paul

Next time,take a second to read my post before commenting on it,numbnuts(I understand it was a whole six or so sentences long).I made it quite clear that I am contemptuous of both major political parties.
Are you so freaking stupid as to believe that Campbell herself was responsible for the complete decimation of that party?
Let me fill you in....it was millions of angry voters expressing their disgust with Mulroney's arrogant reign that all but destoyed the party.

You are indeed the myopic,partisan twit here.

Actually, teddy, I know perfectly well that Kim Campbell lost the election by herself. I was an adult at the time and remember it clearly, which puts me one up on you.

Mulroney was long gone and forgotten by the time the election was called. Campbell had had a media honeymoon for months, and was polling strongly both before and after the election call. And then the campaign began, and Campbell's support dropped by the day. Mulroney was not an issue. It was all about Campbell.

I was there, sonny boy, and I saw it. You weren't and you didn't.

It took the U.S. to get Conrad Black, because Canada couldn't.

KHS was being deported to Europe because he bought off corrupt politicians in Europe.
But not anymore!
Our crooked politicians (admittedly paid by Shreiber) here, just found a way to protect him from the Euro's trial, and also protect him from jail here.
The Canadian "special investigation" will net us nothing, but likely smear a few .

Shreiber's "criminal court" testimony in Europe might have exposed some of the international dealings of the Powercorp/liberal/Mulrooney/Total elf Fina crime wave that has ripped off Canadians for generations.

Wanna bet KHS doesn't ever make it to Europe, to face prosecution and that Canada won't prosecute anybody effectively based on his tetimony; just like the Adscam "special" investigation made it impossible for us to ever see Chretien behind bars for stealing our money through Adscam?

Bhaaaaaa, Bhaaaaaaa

Why is the CBC, in the heart of the new fall television season, when innovative and new programs should be aired, repeating "The Fifth Estate"

Personal anecdote:

I usually check out the TV listings each night before watching and deciding what to tune to (as background noise while doing more important things). Every time I look at what "The Fifth Estate" has to offer, there's no description of the upcoming program. Is this possibly because "The Fifth Estate" is counting on repeat, habitual viewers? Or is it because they are wary of the occasional drop-in viewer dismissing the topic(s) out-of-hand? Or are they too clueless to know that many watchers actually *choose* what they watch by previewing what the content will be?

To Mark Bourrie: I find a lot of flaws with the CBC's chain of events, that corresponds closely to yours.
Do you believe that Brian Mulroney and Schreiber were stupid enought to exchange "brown" (Tsk Tsk) enveloppes with $100,000 cash in a place like Mirabelle Airport? Even if the airport was abandoned, it was most likely potected by "spy" cameras, inside and out.
What no one has yet proven is A: Who's money was it? B: What was it for.
I once got paid in cash for an abandoned property I sold to an old trapper. He paid me in cash. It was nowhere near $100,000, you should have seen the look on the teller's face when I got to the bank. (IT WAS A "WHITE" ENVELOPPE.) They knew me by my first name, I had dealt at this bank all my life. I gave the name of the lawyer who performed the transfer, he confirmed that it was a legitimate deal. Finally a seniour bank officer came to the teller 's booth, explaining that the deal was legitimate. In any event, I was depositing the money in my savings account, there was nothing to hide. I claimed the sale on my taxes.
There's an inherent belief within in the general public that cash is evil. Think carefully. What could me more "evil" than a credit card??

"Mulroney was long gone and forgotten by the time the election was called."

ebt,
How partisanly blind can you be?

One look at the current headlines is enough to see that that some 15 yrs later,people have still not forgiven the absolute porkbarreling arrogance of Mulroney's reign.

Sure,poor lil' Campbell is personally responsible for decimating the conservative party of that era?You've obviously been tainted by viewing the world through right-wing glasses for far too long.

Enjoy your reality,it must be lonely there.