Political correctness is what is killing the RCMP.
When you quit hiring the best and start filling quotas and meeting silly bilingual reqirements the result is predetermined.

Eventually the criminal organizations will want to be able to operate in peace. It will be in their interest to keep their turf quiet and safe. They do need an infrastructure to operate in. The Italian mafia kept peace in their neighborhoods after the turf was established and everyone prospered including the local yokels.

If we get rid of the very high cost of policing and say a lot of the useless politicians who do nothing but lie and take our money, perhaps we can redesign our society on a 100% underground economy where common sense and reality prevail.

Who needs government, who needs impotent idiotic mounties? As long as we have brisk economic exchange, we will do just fine.

I've minimized my comments about Canadian organized crime for a while, because I don't like to sound like a broken record, and Harper was elected.

The question is why the RCMP has been so consistently underfunded and who is making sure that they are minimized.

To be crude about it, Canada is a wet dream for organized crime. Probably Trudeau was just another charismatic, socialist maniac who did not hesitate at minimizing attention to Canada's premier law enforcement agency.

However, this marginalization of the RCMP has been going on for a lot of years and has required a lot of Members of Parliament to turn their heads or vote the wrong way.

I used to point out on a regular basis that Alphonso Gagliano's appointment to the Public Works office with the approval of the highest government officials was a blatant exhibition of the power of organized crime in Canada and the complete affiliation of government partnership at the highest level.

Frankly, everyone in government understands the reach of organized crime in Canada. You would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to understand organized crime's power and reach, especially from Montreal.

I would like to point out that the only reason Vito Rizzuto is doing the pathetic little 10 years down in the federal prison in Colorado is because of the US's constant demand for his extradition. Hell, you even had one conservative Senator arguing against his extradition.

In other words, if the FBI had not flipped a capo in the Bonanno crime family, no one would have found out about Gagliano. If the US had not been pushing for Rizzuto, he would still be running the rackets from Canada instead of his prison cell.

If Italian authorities had not busted up some of his rackets in Italy, no one in Canada would know about them.

Do you see a pattern emerging here? Law enforcement agencies in other countries have to bring attention to organized crime in Canada. Otherwise organized crime in Canada will continue to run smoothly. Canadian organized crime has more to fear from police in other countries than they do in Canada.

You had a post up here a short time ago about Hugo Chavez. The Rizzuto organization has been enormously entrenched in Venezuela for many decades. God only knows the affiliation that they have with Chavez.

The RCMP has been castrated and continues to be neutered because politicians consistently make sure they are underfunded. Many of these politicians, or at least key Members, are being "juiced".

The Canadian mobs members work politicians, work the docks, work dope, work stock fraud, and the premier policing agency languishes without the substance it needs to adequately confront all this. And that is the way "juiced-in" politicians intend to keep them.

Another downside to not having trained enough replacement officers for the retirees is I think some recruits are being accepted now that would not have been in the past. I don't think this bodes well for the quality of the RCMP down the road.

Uhh Peter...

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/recruiting/basic_defined_e.htm
"Proficient in English or French: you must be able to speak, write, comprehend and read either French or English. You do not need to be bilingual."

The Tazer video.

I noted CTV's Paula Todd's glee in presenting the story.

I can understand why criminals are against law and order --- but why the media ?

Police state, absolutely no. But I think we are a he** of a long way from that. Most do not even obey the speed limit anymore. And get away with it.

Actually Peter is correct in has statement about being bi-ligual. Remember we are talking about what the Fiberals did several years ago. It was not that long ago that being bi-ligual was a requirement and therefore very few recruits came from Western Canada. There was also a time not so long ago where they actually shut down training any new recruits. When they did start to train again it was only a few troups at a time. Not needing many recruits the force then decided to make biligualism a requirement. When they finally came to crunch time with pending retirements they had to drop that requirement to what it is today - be proficient in either language.

From a good friend who served in the service as an inspector many years...he tells me that it was not just "liberals" per se ( although they were the most inclined to statist civil control systems) but statist technocrats in the ministries and bureaucracy who promoted the idea to change the forces upper echelon into a smaller controlable entity which reflected the effete dogmatics of the political masters who it served....they sold this idea to the PMO and Privey Council in the 70s.

The start was when the force went from being independent of the ruling party to being directly in its chain of command...this is when the liberals made the superintendent and commissioner directly accountable to a cabinate minister.

From there high rank was a matter of political patronage and having the "right politics" to advance....the gap between rank and file and this political officer class became great in both pay and power...this was done by design so rank and file were easier to control and the incentive to adopt the indoctrinbated "right politics" to advance was made apparent.

As the older service men retired..those who had a different set of values( civil/community) than the new force (political/mindless subservience) the force took on a character of a private army at the beckon call of its political bosses.

Those of us who watch politics and the law closely notice this difference and it seems stark to us...but the general population still have the Disney Inc "Mountie" personna deeply propagated to them by Canadian media.

Esentially what exists today is Canada has an exclusive para-militray federal policy enforcment agency attached to a cabinate minister...it is like having a private army to enforce the policy of the government of the day...and this was done by design.

We can see that the job of converting TCMP executive to political officers is complete and this is why whistle blowers in the bureaucracy and fed agencies fear the RCMP as it is a direct ministerial club to subdue "embarassments" to the government and its political enemies.

I belive Harper has temporarily turned of the intimidation factor but it was obvious that the RCMP was literally telling Stock Day how to run his ministry when he was green at it...I hope he has a better grip on his "employees" by now.

I always get a laugh out of seeing RCMP brass all decked outlike Soviet KGB commissars whenthere is an official state function on the hill...it reminds me the visual of police state political officers isn't too far from reality.

Sounds like the same thing as the nursing shortage.

Decrease new-hire training programs to nil, increase educational requirements beyond what is needed, cut budgets for everything except the bureaucracy, and work your people to death. Don't forget kids, the RCMP is a union shop too.

Awesome. I've quit better jobs in disgust.

If the whole of the OPP and the RCMP downed tools and walked tomorrow afternoon, any bets that it would be back to the same old crap by this time next year?

ron in kelowna - I watched that nasty, egregious Paula Todd and Marylou too (Marylou always tries to sound like Meril Streep in "Out of Africa" and that really irritates me!) They are so 'in your face' with their wallowing in other people's grief that it turns grief into mockery. The person in Kamloops giving the eulogy for the Polish gentleman killed in the Vancouver airport was cut off by our Commi gals because he mentioned God too often (Poland is a Catholic country) and mentioned the horrors of Communism in Poland too often. Can't have that!

Something that the msm mentioned only once (when interviewing the gentleman's Mother) was the fact that this man had quit smoking cigarettes the day before he boarded the plane for Canada. This is a very important fact because it could explain why he was so erratic and why he died from the tazer. I have posted a blurb from the nicorette sight describing the symptoms of nicotine overdose - this gentleman exhibited these symptoms -

..."In addition to the reported effects in clinical trials, the following events have been reported: Cardiovascular: edema, flushing, hypertension, palpitations, tachyarrhythmias, tachycardia, chest pain; CNS: confusion, convulsions, depression, euphoria, numbness, paresthesia, syncope, tinnitus, weakness; Dermatologic: erythema, itching, rash, urticaria; Gastrointestinal: alteration of liver function tests, constipation, diarrhea; Respiratory: breathing difficulty, cough, hoarseness, sneezing, wheezing; Other: dry mouth, systemic nicotine intoxication.

Reports of myocardial infarction, congestive heart failure, cerebrovascular accident and cardiac arrest, including death have been received.
In addition, rare reports of an apparent severe allergic reaction have been received.

Symptoms And Treatment Of Overdose: Overdosage could occur if many pieces were chewed simultaneously or in rapid succession. The risk of poisoning by swallowing the gum is small because absorption in the absence of chewing is slow and incomplete. The consequences of overdosage will most likely be minimized by the early nausea and vomiting known to occur with excessive nicotine intake. Should an overdosage occur the symptoms would be those of acute nicotine poisoning.Symptoms: Mild to moderate poisoning causes nausea, salivation, abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, cold sweat, headache, dizziness, disturbed hearing and vision, mental confusion, and marked weakness. Faintness and prostration will likely ensue and hypotension may occur; breathing is difficult; the pulse may be rapid, weak, and irregular; circulatory collapse may be followed by terminal convulsions. Death may result within a few minutes from respiratory failure caused by paralysis of the respiratory muscles.

Treatment: In a conscious, alert patient, prompt evacuation of the stomach should be performed. When evacuation is complete, activated charcoal may be administered by mouth, if necessary.

In comatose patients, a clear airway must be established immediately and ventilatory support may be required. Other therapeutic measures are purely symptomatic and should be conducted according to the attending physician's assessment of the patient. When the patient's clinical status stabilizes, consideration may be given to gastric lavage and administration of activated charcoal. Hypotension and/or cardiovascular collapse may occur and should be treated vigorously."

I took the above information from the medical website.

Speaking as a smoker, when this story came out, I was wondering how well I would be doing if I had been deprived of nicotine for 13 hours and was stuck in a holding bin without explanation or access to a telephone or any person who even tried to help me; in a strange country. In addition, this man was from a former Communist state where the ONLY freedom the people had was to smoke almost everywhere. The unhappy Soviet soldiers, posted in Poland, were brutal and uncaring about Polish people because the Polish people resisted the 'thugs of the Glorious Leader' (USSR) so bravely. I was in Poland when the KGB had tortured a Polish Priest to death. The Polish people circled the church containing the Priest's remains night and day. There was a 9 O'clock curfew in Warsaw so the Russian soldiers randomly shot Polish people at that church for defying the curfew. These people were brave and defiant - people in Canada could learn a lot from people who risked everything for Freedom from oppression. Instead of defending ourselves against such a regime, we have msm who drills it into our heads that Communism is the proper system of governing. Never get your little feet out of Daycare - womb to tomb big brother telling you what to eat, when to sleep, how to vote, what to read! And the 'useful idiots' put on their own chains by listening and believing! A Lenin dream scenario.

I know that I have been branded as a rabid fool for defending the right of Free people to smoke cigarettes if a person chooses to have that habit. The Bolsheviks have latched on to this 'Smoking Ban' way to induce misery now but when I was in Poland the Communists had no rules about smoking because the Bolshevik soldiers liked to smoke.

The Polish gentleman was suffering from withdrawal and/or a nicotine overdose from nicotine pills or gum. If he did not have nicotine drugs, it was withdrawal, if he had the drugs then he might have taken too much in order to try to calm himself - maybe he thought he would be sent to Syria (like Arar says he was! - they have newspapers in Poland) This is a FACT because his Mom told the news people that HE QUIT SMOKING THE DAY BEFORE he boarded the plane for Canada. Likely his Mom told him Canadian people would spit on him if he smoked so he quit to please her and to be 'acceptable' in this country.

My question is : were the policemen who went to the airport TOLD that this man could be suffering from a nicotine overdose or severe nicotine withdrawal symptoms compounded by stress? If not, why not? The use of a tazer to subdue a man with a racing heart would be lethal - the Police should have been warned, were they?

Will the msm report this if it is the case - or will they let the Police Officers take the hit? The msm are rabid 'anti tobacco' so they will just shut things down if this is the case. We, the people, should not allow that to happen. The police have enough PC in ALL aspects of their service to add this tragedy to the 'blame page', IMO.

There is no doubt that the RCMP have lost much of their former earned respect.

I have observed Liberal bag-licking from senior officers regarding the long-gun registry where they couldn't event parrot a logical defense. When it comes to resources, don't forget the 750 full time RCMP personnel saddled with administering that mess. Add the accompanying cynicism from rank and file officers, knowing full well that to enforce the registry would involve criminalizing half of rural Canada.

In the town where I lived up until the last year, the RCMP couldn't even handle a routine surveillance operation to nail an ongoing theft ring when everyone in town knew who was responsible.

Hey but they looked sharp and had attractive women and FNs in uniform. The male officers complained that the females couldn't bust-up Bar room scuffles and posed undue risk by relying too much/fast on sidearms. PC damage? you bet!

Harper's government has got some significant work to do to clean up the RCMP. A good place to start would be to eliminate the long gun registry.

...giving the local RCMP kudo's and the whole organization isn't bad, just seems the leadership is.

- and as the old saying goes: fish start to rot from the head down.

At the same time, being the devil's advocate, maybe these instances are foot solider's frustration surfacing from having one's hand tied behind their back in the daily dealing with a politically correct public and inept justice system.

Wanted: Shawinigate, Pepper Spray, AdScam, HRDC, gutting of the Canadian Forces and the RCMP, etc.

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WLM said it all... 3:59

I only add this fraying of the RCMP high standard seems to have happened on * Scorchadelli*s * watch.

Guess he was too busy sifting through pension funds to maintain RCMP standards. = TG

"I know that I have been branded as a rabid fool for defending the right of Free people to smoke cigarettes if a person chooses to have that habit"

I don't think you're a rabid fool for defending that right - i've always thought you were a rabid fool for pretendng it was a perfectly fine healthful habit, like chewing gum. And now that you've dragged the taser incident into this delusion - well, the rabid fool idea is a fond, flattering memory.

Just a casual observance here. The buildings that the RCMP occupy seem to be getting more lavish even as they become more empty. A classic liberal move - make it appear that something is being done not get something done. PMJC was great at this simply read is Red Books and compare that with what actually took place.

"Why was a 20 year old Constable with less than a year’s service working in a northern village? The alternative was to have no-one working. Perhaps that would have been better?"

What would an experienced officer have done differently? This officer didn't get a chance to do anything.
Personally, after seeing my son's photos from his first trip to Baffin Is. in Oct., I'd say - have no one working. I.E. - no RCMP. Teach them to police themselves.

But does it make sense to you dean spencer now that I have provided you with the behavior of a person suffering from nicotine poisoning? I should have never put that silly comment about myself on the same page as something so tragic and so serious. I did not indend to insert trivial non facts.

dean spencer- Do you know if the Police sent to the airport were advised that Robert W could be suffering from severe nicotine withdrawl and/or nicotine overdose?

If you are just going to pile on me personally saying that I said things I did not say - then don't bother answering.

I should mention that the first great blow to the RCMP was Trudeau's bilingual policy where people from Quebec where favored. He used this policy as a brutal stick to smash both the RCMP and the military. They had a deliberate policy of favoritism and rapid promotion for those who toed the party line and he used it to smash the "old party" concenus in Canada.

As to organized crime, we can note that this is the same time frame as the massive morality campaigns against "hate", and against guns. Both campaigns focused almost exclusively on the law abiding. "Anti-hate" policies that focused on silencing any questioning of the world's highest immigration levels even in massive unemployment recessions. A massive bureaucratic paperwork attack on law abiding gun owners also demonised a despised section of the "old Canada" Trudeau wanted to erase.

Divide and conquer strategies against political opponent,the importing of ethnic blocks who where very susceptible to patronage politics and very sensitive to immigration policy which could be used to reward support where a deliberate policy for decades. These morality crusades entailed a massive diversion of RCMP resources to support both. No wonder organized crime and gangs prospered and thrived. Especially in immigrant communities that where "off limits" as a deliberate political policy.

Ron in Kelowna. Gimme a break guy! That Taser video showed four morons who have horse turds for brains! The victim was unarmed, he didn't threaten anyone personally, he was obviously disturbed, and/or suffering from a serious condition. The four lame-brains deserve 10 year jail sentences.
Are you going to tell me that four strapping young guys couldn't have wrestled him into handcuffs? The fact is that half of those guys piss their pants when faced with a tough situation. I'm originally from Montana, I've seen 60 year old Deputy Sheriffs in Billings that could kick a drunken cowboy's ass and have him in the back of the cruiser in five minutes. And the Sheriffs were alone.
Can you imagine the harm that video has done us? It was all over the world on YouTube. The Queen's cowboys need to go back to riding academy!

I say bring back the death penalty for anyone who kills a police officer; I'd like to see it come back for all pre-meditated murders, but we need to re-start somewhere.

My experience with the police is that they are nice enough, but absolutely useless, perhaps because their priorities are all screwed up because of the appointed judges in courts who keep letting the criminals out after the cops have spent time slapping them behind bars.

I have my own beef with a police officer who gave my daughter a choke-hold - too many details, but he overstepped his authority, and I should have called him out as a civilian and kicked his ass....or head. Plus, some cops are so foul-mouthed, it is hard to respect those cops who reduce themselves down to the level of some of the scum on the streets.

"Canada has an exclusive para-militray federal policy enforcment agency attached to a cabinate minister"

Sounds like the SS.

Only recently some Liberal proposed that all RCMP along the Trans Canada highway be bilingual.
Since Quebec has its' own provincial police force there is little need for bilingual police officers.
Jus ad bellum
You know who will get picked the bilingual with an IQ of 75 and weighing 115 lbs. or someone proficient in the English language.

I recall a CTV interview from last year with Norman Inkster, retired RCMP commissioner. It was about the Zakardelli situation, assorted RCMP performance issues and the topic of under resourcing. Inkster remarked cryptically, "the Federal Gov't has a lot to answer for" and did not expand upon this statement. I suspect that his meaning is becoming clearer by the day!

What are chances of some bright young recruit moving to the top ranks of RCMP if he is not bilingual?
Worried about our officers being politically correct and not if they are excellent police officers.
Forget what is practical, useful and important.

The RCMP has been bastardized beyond repair. There is no way a police Organization with the proud history of that Force can be redeemed without a complete overhaul which will include something beyond quotas for ethnicity or gender. There are much more important factors to consider.

This latest incident where a man was killed by taser wielding Officer(s) of the RCMP is proof of the caliber of people we have in that outfit.
I know a man a lot older than those bird brains who could have subdued that poor fellow.

That video is a real stomach churner.

I haven't read the comments here but read the whole article and the other comnmetns.

Who!~. Phew!~.

Boy, the RCMP have been in decline a long time, and finally the bottom has dropped out.

Not wishing to make a partisan point, but it appears the Liberals have deliberately under-funded them; as the military.

Throughout the rest of the world, the RCMP has a mythical status. I do hope we can get them back to that.

For conservatives, the enforcement of law is the prime duty of the state; clearly this is not so for Liberals.

"My question is : were the policemen who went to the airport TOLD that this man could be suffering from a nicotine overdose or severe nicotine withdrawal symptoms compounded by stress? If not, why not? "

and how would they come to know this ??? Why should they know this ??

Do you expect Airlines to ask questions about drug addictions as part of check in and then make passengers wear a sign ??

Liz J, You are correct. That video was seen across the planet. I saw it in England, whilst visiting familly. I was shocked and couldn't defend these people to my hosts. I personally felt shame.

The RCMP has a mythic reputation in the ROTW but this video shows that it is staffed by incompetents. Move in drug lords, please feel welcome. >:#

C'mon, in Vancouver you know that it's the people who are strung out of crack, heroine, ecstasy, alcohol and pot that are to be kept alive at all costs, filthy smokers can go to hell.

Sorry. The bilingual thing is a non-issue. Some "bright young thing" will easily understand French. Hey, if I can do it,. anyone can.

I attended an annual awards dinner for services like RCMP, firefighters, paramedics and coastguard out here in Vancouver a while back. It was quite an experience. RCMP officers in a district with a significant amount of crime were being recognized for their work on bike helmet safety and copper recycling something or the other. Many of those who went up to the podium choked on tears.

I was sitting among the coast guard at the time and they were pretty disgusted with the spectacle, probably because most of them were ex-military from Canada and the UK.

I left that dinner with a deep but uncomfortable impression about our police and fire forces. Not only do they seem unwilling to recognize and reward bravery and nuts and bolts crimefighting, but they seem to have gone very soft.

I have major RCMP institutions in my riding.

(Just thought I'd put that out there, no point to it)

I saw the video in my sister's house in the UK. I thought the RCMP officers didn't need the tazer once they both had wrastled him to the ground; before-hand, yes, but not once on the ground. They simply needed to wait for back-up.

The RCMP lost focus of what their role was over the past twenty years. My experience with them over the past few years was to watch them ignore a major meth operation in a nearby community but find time to arrest a 18 year old teenager for buying a pop in a local rural bar while renting a video. The judge ruled that the practice in this bar was 40 years old and harmless and condemned the RCMP officer for not "finding something better to do with his time".
Its high time the RCMP gets its act together to get its dignity and earn back the respect of the public.
There are many good officers serving today however, the edges are fraying and the quality has dropped overall under the mushy, lying, rotten at the core Liberals.

While we're at it why not bring up the subject of Chief Superintendent Robert Harriman. Remember him? He was in the officer in charge of security of the upcoming Olympic Games in Vancouver. That is until he was backstabbed by some headline hunting superior from Ottawa. Harriman only wanted that his unit be adequately funded and staffed. That was not happening. Some "RCMP Bureaucrat" from Ottawa decided that he needed to interspose himself into the situation and basically let Harriman out to dry. Harriman is a 30 plus year highly respected member of the force. He was sideswiped by an Ottawa RCMP bureaucrat. He quit as head of security of the games. Who can blame him? There is no fighting the bastards. He will serve out the rest of his career in the Vancouver delta. I have known this man for 20 years and he is the complete cop. He has done everything in the RCMP from beat cop to ERT to crime scene to musical ride to.....you name it.

It was no accident that he was named to head-up security for the Olympic Games in Vancouver. He is a very competent police officer in every which way. He was, in the end, stabbed in the back, quite possibly by someone in the force who thought that it should have been he named to that prestigeous and important post.

Funding the Musical Ride as the Liberals did is typical of the Liberal Store Fronting tactics.
It's the same throughout the Liberal ideology, FLASH AND DASH WITH NO SUBSTANCE.

Anyone else ready to stomp the Liberals to the ground next time around? Anyone concerned about how we look around the world due to all the crap that's coming to light right now BECAUSE of stupid LIBERAL actions for decades?

The RCMP, like the military, has been castrated, infiltrated and perverted by one of the most politicized, corrupt and ineffectual public services in the civilized world. The deputy ministers and their minions run the country. The politicians simply provide the fig leaf of "consensual" government. You want to know how the RCMP went off the rails? Look at the civil service. Its senior levels are scary beyond belief. The RCMP needs its version of Rick Hillier to kick the time-servers in the teeth and bring back truth, duty, valour. If Canadians knew how much power the unelected (and mostly incompetent) senior civil service wields, we'd have a bloody revolution in the streets.

Caveman: That's exactly what the Conservative government is dealing with. Those senior civil servants are not on the same wavelength as this present government. I would bet they're going to cause more trouble. They can't be fired and they're going to play their games and cause as much grief for the government as possible.

So, if someone who waits ten hours at a Canadian airport becomes agitated due to a sugar low and a language barrier, the RCMP send 4 members, who each want their turn to use *Sparky* on him without any calm assessment first?

What happened to common sense? = TG

my view of some of the RCMP has also declined after what my son had to endure this past summer also...he was stopped by the Saskatoon Detachment and had his m/cycle seized because the RCMP officer lied and threatened my son saying that a bus driver had made a formal complaint to his driving.....after being told this story I adv my son to file a formal complaint which he did....the RCMP officer was found to be at fault as there was never any formal complaint lodged against my son but he was without his m/cycle for over a mth and had a bill of I believe $1200 nfor towing and storage fees. He rcvd a letter of apology from the officer but no reimbursement of his $$$...the RCMP had forgotten I guess that there was an audio in the Police car and all came out in plain sight with the yelling and swearing at a young 18 year old kid just "because the RCMP officer could"....what a sad state of affairs....the calibre is not there///I see these little girlie blondes driving the Police crusisers and just shake my head....they all appear to be spokeperson for the force as that is all they are good for...talking..I pity their partners that have to depend on them for BACK-UP...what happens then???your guess is as good as mine..they get shot just like what happened in Spiritwood???

I hope you can keep up with this subject Kate. This problem may be symptomatic of the overall current state of our Canadian Civil Service management of our policing policies.

I suspect that there are many, quality, well trained,respected RCMP Officers out there who would love to have an anonymous forum. They wouldn't dare to post here for fear of exposure. I don't have any special insight into the subject beyond conjecture but this subject needs enlightenment.

Friend of mine used to work for Bell. They had this place called "The Room of Sleep". Employees who couldn't be fired for whatever reason were transfered to this "job". You had to clock in and clock out, but they didn't give you any work to do.

I propose we institute this for anybody in the senior civil service who doesn't want to play nice with the Harperites.

Why fire them when you can make an object lesson instead?

My bias is always FOR the cops and law enforcement.

A generation of media hate and lefty government neglect cannot help but take a toll.

Will Harper have the vision and guts to make this an issue? I'd rather he invested 5 billion in the RCMP than in DND.

I for one still admire many of the cops I know. Let's rebuild the RCMP!

They simply needed to wait for back-up.

Four strapping young officers needed backup to properly restrain one individual? Should they have called in the military and an air strike just in case?

First of all, there's alot of good cops out there and lets try to keep the piling on to a minimim. Do you not think the good cops aren't sick about this as well? Do you think the good cops after putting on the uniform in the morning, kissing the family goodbye, enjoy the looks of disdain from their fellow citizens. I think not! There's also lots of blame to go around after we are through with these four rogue cops. This was at an international airport in one of the most modern cities in the world. How in the world was this man allowed to be ignored for those many hours without security/customer relations becoming involved. It could of taken half an hour to find someone working in the airport that spoke a language close enough to understand he was Polish. Then you escort someone from the Polish Airlines and have them gently speak to him. But for 6 to 10 hours this man was left alone, panic finally taking over. This should have been resolved many hours before the cops were called.

...some questions:

1. Why did this poor fellow have to wait 8-10 hours?
2. Did he have food, water?
3. Why was he allowed to wander around freely in that "secure" area with computers and such?
4. Why isn't there closed circuit TV to that room or entrance at least?
5. Why was there no briefing of the language he spoke to the RCMP BEFORE they arrived?
6. Why did the RCMP not call in the local EMS right away?
7. Why did the RCMP not bring a translator at least (see point 5)?

There is an old saying - the line between a cop and a bad guy is very thin.

...rocket science. The person(s) who escorted him to that room from off the plane have a lot of explaining to do.

Then and there they could have told he didn't speak English and asked the flight where he originated from.

This is just one guy, imagine what will happen during the Olympics.

The majority of members in detachments are dedicated, hardworking police officers. I hold them in the highest regard.Unfortunately, they have been thrown to the wolves by the incompetent carpet cops who inhabit the Ottawa bunker.
Funds go into many of their pet projects that should go to providing better service at the sreet level.
I agree with some of the other posters. The only way to effect positive change is to clean house in Ottawa.

...oh for being secured, watch how many times he comes out the door.

Now there were Airport Security guys around, wonder what they all did in all this, especially the one guy who strutted and stood like a linebacker for some reason.

"Me tough"

Right.

"The only way to effect positive change is to clean house in Ottawa."

...gives new meaning to "when pigs fly".

Hi Kate. I hope you don't mind if I clear up a couple of things for your regulars.

re: The Phantom... The RCMP are not now, nor have they ever been a union shop. We are prohibited by an Act of Parliament from being unionized. There is a Constitutional challenge of that Act pending before the Supreme Court of Canada. I'm not a big union fan but if the alternative is another Zacardelli, sign me up!

re: gellen... There was a time, not too many years ago, when northern postings like this were only staffed by experienced officers (5+ years) for a variety of reasons. In policing, like in many professions, there's no substitute for experience.

There's a huge difference between policing in a medium or large detachment (with backup always there or at least readily available) and policing in a remote village where backup (if any) is a single person who might not be readily available.

What would an experienced officer do differently? Hard to say, since neither you nor I were there on that fateful night. This much I can tell you- I was much more "tactically aware" in my 5th year than I was in my 1st year. More cynical and less trusting as well. Would being more tactically aware have kept this young Constable alive? Hard to say but it certainly wouldn't have hurt.

I've worked on reserves where I flew in and worked solo. Nearest backup? An hour's flight away, if a floatplane is available, or 8 hours by boat. I wouldn't say it was more dangerous than working downtown during bar closing... just different...

carlosroberto, you're right. Take the example of Barbara George who was touted as a possible replacement for Zacardelli but ended up being placed on "administrative leave" when they started digging into the pension scandal. George joined the RCMP in 1978. After training in Regina, she was posted to Ottawa and she never left there, yet she went through the ranks, all the way up to Deputy Commissioner.

When Donald Brown described the Mounties' internal management structure is "horribly broken', he wasn't kidding and he wasn't wrong. The Task Force which was struck has a monumental task ahead. From what feedback I've seen so far, I don't feel optimistic about their chances.

Unfortunately, that's only part of the problem. Since Trudeau became PM, the federal government has systematically understaffed and underfunded the RCMP. To make matters even worse, during the 1990s, the Liberals slashed our budgets to the point that the RCMP temporarily closed down the Training Academy in Regina... just before the Boomers started retiring.

Police strength in Canada is, on average, 195 cops per 100,000 population. Areas policed by the RCMP are typically far below that average. Police strength ranges from 222 to 270 officers per 100,000 population in the United States, Australia, and England and Wales.

As I write this, Recruiting isn't able to keep up with our attrition which means inexperienced officers on the streets, fewer numbers than in the past, facing greater challenges as the results of our liberal "justice" system keeps putting criminals back on the streets in greater numbers.

Any investigation of the troubled RCMP should have to include some answers from the governments of the past two decades at least. Who exactly were they serving, who's best interests were being served?

This latest disgraceful incident should get things rolling. This was a poor guy who may have been dealt with by a person with a teddy bear and the ability to speak to him in his language but was taken down by four brawny cops who had options but APPEARED to choose the easiest for themselves. One would think even a warning shot, a blank, could have been tried.

His death is mourned by his family and friends and we can mourn for this country's reputation around the world because there won't be another video to change the perception this incident has portrayed.

Criminals have all the rights
Bad guys even have an ombudsman, while victims are reduced to an afterthought
By LORRIE GOLDSTEIN, TORONTO SUN

Researching a column last week about how our underfunded justice system pushes even hardened criminals back onto the streets as quickly as possible to save money, I came across a revealing government document.

It was on the Correctional Service Canada website. CSC runs federal prisons. It was a perfect example of the frustration Canadians have with the system that supposedly protects us from the bad guys.

During last year's election, Prime Minister Stephen Harper got into trouble for observing, prophetically, that his Conservative government would be hemmed in by a generation of bureaucrats, judges and senators appointed by Liberals. Nowhere is this more evident than on Harper's law-and-order agenda, although he was too partisan in only citing the Liberals. The old Progressive Conservative Party was just as soft on crime.

The CSC document is a 22-page paper, written near the end of the Liberal's 12-year reign (sometime after Mach 31, 2004) entitled, "Basic Facts About the Correctional Service of Canada."

You only have to read a few pages to realize how, over the decades, our ruling class' obsession with the "rights" of criminals has reduced their victims to afterthoughts. ...-
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Goldstein_Lorrie/2007/11/18/4664951-sun.php

The Polish government, (and world-wide media), are all over this one. Unlike the Ian Bush incident: How convenient- that the audio/video equipment was "turned off", when this young man was taken to the RCMP station. The fact that his body was left unrefrigerated until the coroner's inquest, THREE DAYS LATER, (by which time any previous bruising would be difficult to see)..........
But-Hey: "The public has no right to know."

Something is realy wrong when a bunch of violent crinimals get more rights then their victims and beforew you know it the crinimals can rob a bank or shoot up a place and even rape a woman without fear of prosicution all becuase of wussietard liberal whinners

Mac, sorry I got that wrong. I just assumed since it was A) government and B) broken there must be a union involved somewhere.

Still, the OPP is completely broken and they are a union shop, so unionizing the Mounties will get y'all nowhere.

I'm a great believer in the power of the individual. If the company you're with treats you like a dog, you LEAVE. Or you make them pay a freakin' fortune for the privilege of your help. If you stay nice and quiet and loyal, they just kick you harder.

For myself, nobody kicks me twice. I made it a rule after one too many crappy jobs as a kid, and I make it a point in job interviews. Life is too friggin' short. The company shows up with some honour and some integrity, or they get to spend another small fortune finding and hiring a new physio.

Why do you think doctors are paid so well? Its because nobody on earth would put up with the crap they take every day for a nickel less, that's why. Maybe the RCMP should start getting the same treatment from constables that hospitals get from doctors. The conversation goes like this:"Either pay me double AND get out of my face, or I walk."

Doesn't have to be a union to have teeth y'know. People's teeth are quite big enough without socialist collective bargaining screwing up the works. If the RCMP start losing whole detachments over legit beefs, they will change how they do things.

Or more likely they won't because that's what Liberal bureaucracies are all about: riding The Plan down in flames until it splatters itself all over the landscape and starts a forest fire. But all the guys who quit will be much better off and won't care a damn.

Communities who suddenly don't have RCMP policing will step up and hire their own guys sooner or later. Or they will just shoot the looters, shovel and shut up. No cops means there's no cops to come and jail you for protecting your house. Or your neighbor's house. ~:D

Problem solved.

I hadn't thought of it that way, The Phantom, and it appeals to me since (as I said) I don't like unions. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening. Mounties are too dedicated to duty. We're kinda stupid that way.

Jack (of Jack's Newswatch) calls for FIDO policing (fark it, drive on) since police are tired of beating their heads against the wall trying to enforce laws while the government (the elected representatives of the will of the people) deliberately underfund and understaff while writing unenforceable laws and stacking the various levels of courts with judges who never met a technicality they didn't like.

Three-quarters of people hit with RCMP Tasers were unarmed: reports
6 minutes ago

OTTAWA - Three out of four suspects stun-gunned by the RCMP were unarmed, indicates a review of 563 cases that shows Tasers are often used for compliance rather than to defuse major threats.

A Canadian Press analysis of Taser incidents reported by the Mounties reveals that more than 79 per cent of those zapped were not brandishing a weapon.

Mac says,we so dedicated to our jobs,brian says,what the facts say,which is you full of ----

"Feeling the heat of public outrage over the death of a man tasered and tackled by Mounties at Vancouver International Airport last month, RCMP Commissioner William Elliott issued a statement Saturday defending the service's handling of the case"

Brian also says,its possible the humourous rcmp may have said "lets send the kid out on this call to settle down old clyde,tetter,tetter,ho,ho.

Mac, FIDO has been the rule for a good while now. Toronto's Finest has been doing it that way since the 1980's, now the OPP has picked up the torch.

Except, oddly, in Caledonia. I got dinged for "driving while White", the boys did a full-on tactical stop complete with shotgun. First time I've ever seen that in Canada. Seems they really, really don't want anybody taking an interest in the "affected areas" of the ongoing Mohawk Warrior "protest".

But do they manage any speed traps around here? Nuh uh. Hamilton does a few, but not many. Most days I go out I never see a cop car.

That I can't decide whether that is a good thing for me or a bad thing speaks volumes about the state of policing in Canada. Frankly that tactical stop they pulled for no legal reason (and apologized to me while they were doing it too, "Sorry we had to pull you over Mr. Phantom sir, you know how it is.") scared me a lot more than a couple dozen armed cigarette smugglers.

...what's happening in Caledonia there Phantom?

I try visiting the website but get a case of visual diarrhea from it.

The mounties are being held up by liberal politicians making reduclous rules QUICK CALL INSPECTOR FENWICK

Whole lot of nothing happening in Caledonia, Tomax7. Meaning the Warriors are still camped out on the DCE, and they are still running around shutting down construction sites from Dunville to Brantford.

OPP still facing their attention the wrong direction. Same old same old. This will change if and when Caledonia/Haldimand cancels their OPP contract and hires their own force. Not before.

There was some interesting business with Fantino blaming Gary McHale for all the trouble. That was mostly interesting for the scary insight that the top cop in the OPP thinks one diabetic fat guy with a web site is a bigger problem than the Mohawk Gun Smuggling Society.

And the RCMP think THEY have problems! Bwaha!

What had bilinguilism to do with killing someone with a Taser! Perhaps a "Polish mountie" would have served the call much better than a bozo armed with a deadly weapon.
So what next? We're going to kill anyone who suffers from air rage! Sick society!!

Simple,Bilingualism in Canada means French and English.
At least I remember when white English need not apply.It is still basically the same
Leaving you with 17% of the population in Canada to chose from,to work for the feds.In every other case the less to chose from ,the poorer the hockey team.That is shown very plainly in the 10 minute video to everyone except apparently Lorne Gunter.He was killed by ineptness,and failure of amateurs to control the male ego.And as the famous saying goes,keep selling out to the French and its "you to Brutus.

where did this "french" thing come into all of this all of a sudden" if you read the posting for basically ALL govt jobs now being of Native ancestry is a MUST not should be a "must" so it is not the french that are being targetted...you are way out of touch as it has been like that for many years already but cant seem to find natives in abundance so turn to the little blondies to fill the gap/.......real "smart" move do you think...NOT

I am now going thru the Alberta gov job bank,so far all French or English.Funny,Canada been run by the French since the physco boy.
I would prefer natives any day.

Jeez,just quick checked BC and Alberta.What happened to your wages out there?Less than they were 8 years ago.Vancouver was full of struggling people then.

brian
if you prefer natives....go to the correctional centers in sask.//////75% of inmates there are your native friends

Thanks FRP.I'm assuming you are trying to protect me from danger by encouraging me to stay away from those who put them there.
But you do suggest an interesting study for someone,like why are there very few natives in jail in other parts of Canada and the U.S?

http://www.canadaawakening.com/2006%20Reports/December%202006/dvdhighlights.htm

Its like watching the 10 minute taser video.
Half way thru,your brain tells you he is dying.
Sad country.

brian
they "put" themselves in jail.....they don't need any help...they are quite capable of that....there are more in jail in Sask possibly because there are more natives, not because we pick on them.....Indian gangs are a big problem in Sask.....

So if this country ALSO failing in the children of the privileged,imagine how it must be failing to those who we hate?

Canada failing its obligations to children: UNICEF
Last Updated: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 | 4:37 AM ET
CBC News
High numbers of children living in poverty, poor health and state care suggest Canada is failing to meet its obligations under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, says a new report.

http://www.blubrry.com/player/?p=1353&e=125892

Awright,we acomin to rescue em.