This is rather funny.
'Democrat Debate to Allow Hillary Self-Rebuttal Time' @ http://www.scrappleface.com/

Whats a matter is DAN BALTHER at it again this guy is so pathetic

Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Tonight for you on Radio SDA Classics we have Glenn Gould performing Bach's Keyboard Concerto No.1 in D Minor BWV 1052, with Leonard Bernstein conducting the New York Philharmonic, in 1990:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFuUrUWfo5Q

In addition, for your listening pleasure, here's Arthur Rubenstein performing Sergei Rachmaninov's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, in 1956:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpk_3-RJdN0

Ahhhhh - Vitruvius - than you for bringing some peaceful moments to the evening's festivities.

Great links - beautiful music, beautifully performed.

Glen Gould,

brilliant with riviting oddness along lines of the reclusive master of Dracula*s castle.

Arthur Rubenstein,

Severe self discipline, like Segovia. Highest human standard but at the expense of some soul and emotion. = TG

Ahhhhh - Vitruvius - than you for bringing some peaceful moments to the evening's festivities.

Great links - beautiful music, beautifully performed.

Apologies for the double post - received an error mesage. And that should have read "thank you" not "than you".

As the night slowly slips away toward morning, and now that we've sent the kids to bed with a good dose of the classics, here on Radio SDA Late Nite we now have Miss Gwendoline Lamour singing these lyrics --

Where do they go, the smoke rings I blow, each night?
What do they do, those circles of blue and white?
Why do they seem to picture a dream above?
Why do they fade, my fantom parade, of love?

Puff, puff, puff, puff your cares away.
Puff, puff, puff, night and day.
Blow, blow them into air, silky little rings.
Blow, blow them everwhere, give your troubles wings.

Oh little smoke rings I love, please take me above, with you.

Take me with you.

-- while performing her lovely little fan dance. Where'd I put my pipe? I mean, nice fans, eh? Time for a bowl of Ach Laddie, my favourite tobacco. (Note that while this video is hardly shocking, it is adult content, and so may not be suitable for some contexts. Your office may vary ;-)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtae5BlUmgM

Now that truly beats the hell out of rap music. No contest.

Burlesque is an ancient art form, Niel, going back at least many thousands of years. Here's an interesting work by Miss Mae West from the early part of the last century. Once again, notice that the lyrics are not trivial. In this case, Mae is warning the audience of the dangers of falling for her, like poor Willie did.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwdFopCnpA&NR

Zot! I spelt you name wrong, Neil. Sorry.

JS Bach- Toccata & Fugue in DMinor
1. Traditional: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_oIFy1mxM
2. Animated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o

Cheers

"Schreiber won't talk if extradited"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071116.wschreiber16/BNStory/National/home

Gee, is this maybe a power play? This gets curiouser and curiouser.

And Borat Dion? 'E 'as been 'oist hon 'is hown petard.

The question becomes can KHS be compelled to testify in an inquiry in this country if he is here.

The compulsion can only come with a threat of jail.

Does anyone know if this is the case? Because if he cant be complelled even if he is here, then his threat to shut up in Germany means nothing, because he can just as easily stay quiet here.

If he can be compelled here then there is some argument for keeping him here.

Sleazy manouver and clear what he is up to, he doesnt want to return to Germany. I don't understand why given that it is the land of chocolate ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzijXOdprm0

A small point for the absurd Maude Barlow and her pathetic "Council of Canadians":

If the British Regulars, Fencibles and Canadien militia in the Canadian colonies of 1812 had not been recruited and "killbot" trained to varying degrees, there would not now be any "Canada."

Maude and all the members of her daft "Council" would be Americans now.

"World" Doomsday Cults are thriving; alive and well, hoping to die.
The Russians are going, the Russians are going; the ozone is coming, the ozone is coming; the worser is spreading; the worser is spreading.
Much ado about the weather, aka nothing.
...-

Warming 'worse than we thought'
WORLD greenhouse gas emissions are rising faster and impacts on oceans and the atmosphere are worse than scientists thought ...-

Ozone layer on track for recovery
The ozone layer is on track to a full recovery, with the latest sets of satellite images showing the hole is shrinking. ...-

Doomsday cult start cave sit-in
MEMBERS of a Russian doomsday cult are threatening suicide after barricading themselves in a remote cave to await the end of the world "some time in May". ...- (via national newswatch)

Vitruvius@2:28 AM - don't worry about the spelling - I sometimes get it wrong as well :-)

What I find odd is that progressive factions have previously stated that they would like to see the voting age dropped. Yet, they think that teens are easily influenced and therefore too immature to be able to withstand a recruitment presentation from the CF. Then they do advocate showing propaganda like An Inconvenient Truth to even younger children. Go figure.

[deleted.- ED]

Andrew - one more post like that and you're out of here.

Not something you'll ever hear from liberal media sources, and yet the report was produced by Stats Canada: Foreign ownership myths

"Globalization, coupled with foreign investment and ownership, have transformed Canadian economic performance, driving wages, productivity, jobs, innovation and investment."

For me the WSJ error isn't even about fact checking. It's about fact knowing.

Don't people just KNOW who George Wallace was? Especially if they work at the frickin Wall Street Journal?

I don't care how old their copy editor is. I know who _Al Jolson_ was and I'm only 43.

Notice that Schreiber is now threatening that he won't talk if he's sent back to Germany. That, as pointed out above, shows his real and only agenda. Not to face trial in Germany.

I'm saying that this whole 'kerfuffle' has been brought about by this agenda. Not to face trial in Germany. He has been colluding with the Liberals. He changed his story about the time frame of the 300,000 - a trivial matter, quite frankly.

After all, most certainly, Chretien and Martin were arranging their post-PM activities during their last days in office. And Paul Martin works, right now, on various contracts - and yet, he is, right now - an MP.

But Schreiber changed his previously sworn testimony that the deal was after Mulroney's tenure as PM; now says it was two days before leaving (heck- 48 hours)..and the Liberals used that to try to smear Harper, via Guilt by ASsociation. You see, Harper and Mulroney talked to each other - wow.

In return for the Smear, the Liberals were supposed to keep Schreiber in Canada. That was their part of the Corrupt Deal.

Now, the Liberals are getting cold feet about an inquiry. They realize that it will involve them. They and their MPs were involved with Schreiber; Schreiber didn't confine his lobbying to Mulroney. He was involved with Liberals, such as Allan MacEachen and Marc Lalonde.

So, Schreiber is now threatening - no talk, to force the Harper govt to keep him here. Of course, since he has a history of lying under oath, then, how does what he says help?

ET: The Schreiber affair is all an overblown sleaze affair. Even if the guy 'sings like a canary', who is going to believe his already contradictory testimony.

If the LIEberals love him then let him expose all their lovely dealings with him. Irwin Cotler should be leading the charge!

It is a black farce from beginning to end. But then the LIEberals are somewhat "truth-challenged" as well.

Banana company, Chiquita, ‘armed guerrillas’

Victims of the bloody paramilitary conflict in Colombia are suing the US banana company Chiquita, accusing it of funding and arming guerrilla groups blamed for torture and thousands of killings.

The lawsuit, filed in New York, seeks $7.86 billion (£4 billion) on behalf of 393 victims and their relatives. They accuse Chiquita Brands of complicity in hundreds of murders carried out by the United Self-Defence Forces of Colombia, a right-wing paramilitary group known by its Spanish acronym AUC....

This year Chiquita admitted that it had paid off rebel groups in Colombia, including the AUC, which is accused of carrying out massacres during Colombia’s long-running civil war before it began to disarm in 2003....

The new lawsuit makes far more serious allegations, accusing Chiquita of abetting atrocities including terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Jonathan Reiter, lawyer for the victims, said that Chiquita’s support for the AUC went beyond mere protection payments and included the shipment of thousands of rifles through a port facility owned by Banadex.

UN: climate change will have 'abrupt and irreversible' consequences

A panel of the United Nations' leading scientists is to warn that climate change could have "abrupt and irreversible" consequences, in a landmark document designed to force action from member states on the issue.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report is seen as one of the most influential documents produced on the global warming issue to date, with the goal of forcing some of the world's biggest polluters to curb their emissions.

The Times has learnt that IPCC delegates – made up of some of the world's most eminent scientists – agreed on a text this morning after all-night negotiations in Spain, in which it was decided that tough wording would be needed.

As a result, the text of the draft report, which is due to be officially released tomorrow by Ban Ki Moon, the UN Secretary-General, will caution that human activity could lead to "abrupt and irreversible" changes in our climate unless action is taken.

How would you respond to the Greenspan brothers if you were the Justice Minister for Canada?
Would you sue the Greenspan brothers? Will the Law Society take action against the Greenspans? Who is paying the Greenspans?
...-

"After the Court of Appeal issued its ruling Thursday, Dennison indicated to the court that the Justice minister had agreed not to extradite Schreiber for two weeks, but he would not give a legally binding "undertaking" to back up this promise.

This brought an angry response in court from defence lawyer Edward Greenspan. "Why can't he give an undertaking? He is making a political statement. I don't trust him," said Greenspan, who indicated that the RCMP were waiting at the Toronto-area jail where Schreiber was being held and tried to remove him from the country a month ago in anticipation of a previous court ruling." ...-
Schreiber can stay in Canada - for now
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=12afd7ce-2bec-46c7-a315-dbb58f52f6c1&k=70453

send KHS to Germany, now

Andrew needs a good ol soap mouth washing, then to Caledonia!

Yes, hans, it's quite the skuffle. But what is interesting is the different agendas, which are really unrelated to each other but which have artificially been connected. Disconnecting them is actually difficult because that leaves the original agendas unsatisfied.

Schreiber's agenda: Stay in Canada to avoid the criminal trial in Germany. He must have concluded that the German trial is 'big time' and he'll be convicted.

Liberal agenda: Smear Harper.

That's it. Now, the problem is, these two agendas have no connection. Harper and his ministers have no connection to Schreiber.

Juvenile Solution? (1) Find someone connected to Schreiber and connected to Harper. (2)Smear this Someone. (3) Voila! Guilt by Association!

The fact that steps 1 and 2 are violations of Charter Rights, Integrity, Justice and Ethics? Irrelevant to the Liberals.

So, they found Schreiber, who has been madly writing every political party (Harper, Layton, Dion) since last March, trying to get them to interfere to prevent his extradition. Quite rightly, both Harper and Layton ignored this request.

A political system cannot, ever, interfere in the legal system of a nation. Never.

But, the Liberals took the bait. They saw in Schreiber, a means of besmirching Harper. They thought: Aha! Mulroney and Harper - they were both in parties with the term 'Conservative' in the name! And Harper has had Mulroney to dinner at Harrington Lake! Aha!

So, Schreiber changed his earlier sworn testimony to smear Mulroney. And the Liberals claimed; Guilt by Association.

The problem is, Guilt by Association is going to involve many Liberals - who aren't connected merely by a term in the party label ('conservative)of by being civil servants over a period of 20 years, but who had active dealings with Schreiber: MacEachen, Lalonde.

So, the original Liberal Agenda: Smear Harper, is looking rather foggy right now. He and his staff were not connected to Mulroney. And most certainly not to Schreiber. But high level Liberal ministers were directly connected to Schreiber. Hmmm. So, how do the Liberals disconnect from this agenda? Can they?

That leaves Schreiber's Agenda. Stay in Canada. If the Liberals weaken in their attempts to link Schreiber to Mulroney to Harper, then, Schreiber may be off to Germany. Schreiber is already threatening - the Liberals. He's saying that he won't talk if he's sent to Germany. [Note: his talk is pathological lies anyway, but...]

But, what Schreiber isn't openly saying, and I'm speculating is warning..He's warning the Liberals. Fulfil my agenda or I'll make trouble for you. I can file new affidavits about my dealings with you Liberals..I can....

Fascinating. How do the Liberals get out of this quicksand that they've, with Eyes Wide Shut, walked into?

Please don't quote the psychos. It makes my job more difficult.

ET, Liberals are experts at getting out of quicksand. Remember the Dosanj affair where he was caught offering inducement to Conservative candidate (forget his name). He was caught red-handed, but the Grits and their MSM (not all, their clique) spun this to a "cut and paste" job where they left impression words had been altered (they hadn't) and when this came to light, voila, old news, nothing to see here.

Maybe this bunch isn't quite as media savvy (likely), but they are using the same shotgun smear approach, but when it becomes clear they were full of s**t, they just let it fade away, not retraction, no recriminations, nothing.

Only this time they've messed with Mulroney and he's hitting back hard. Thibault is talking brave but from what I see, Mulroney has him dead to rights, and he will have anyone else who speaks outside privileged sanctum of HofC. That goes for any comments about Harper and Tories; if Dion or minions shoot off mouth out on street, in scrum, in radio studio, they will get their butts sued off. Of course, this will be spun as "intimidation."

Ah yes, KHS, who said only this week that he wasn't filing affadavits, writing letter, shooting off his lip to avoid extradition. That lie was put to rest today. Same goes for Grits (notice NDP keeping safe distance).

Question for Mr Dion - if Harper should have seen and actioned KHS letters/affadavits, why didn't Dion? Why would he be held to different standard than PMSH? After all, isn't he there to offer alternative to Tories, and thus should take same action as a PM. I guess not.

In the end, doesn't matter because Dion and Grits will have to fact their executioner, the electorate, some time. They just get to pick the date of that execution. Polls even? So what. Even Grits don't believe this, otherwise they would have forced election by now.

Liberals continue to be dead men walking, now dead men getting sued.

If KHS cannot be compelled to speak in this country then there is no reason for him not to be in Germany, there is no difference.

Second question, if he lied to the inquiry when testifying from Germany is there any difference to him lying if he testified here, back to the compulsion argument. Will he be speaking is a different legal environment in Gernmany versus in Canada? If not ship him back to face the music in the Land of Chocolate.

If there is then perhaps there is a reason to keep him here. Of course how would you determine if he lied and would you proecute him for that here.....no matter what he does does Canada want KHS in this country? Becasue I am not sure you can believe what he will say anyway.....but i do want to Brian to answer some questions on the $300,000 in cash....at best he was being an idiot and I want to hear him say it.

If thats it then lets drop it and move on, unless we really want to understand where the vendetta comes from.....I am not sure the country wants to pay for that answer at this stage.....but I would love to know.

So CBS was perfectly happy to give the Nutcase a podium and support as long as it didn't cause them any trouble.... and now that it is causing them trouble? Aren't these guys supposed to be on the cutting edge of events?

As I predicted ... now that the KHS fiasco is blowing back on the LIberals ..... the MSM are pushing the story as far down from the top of the page as they can get.
It is going to disappear very quickly as they scramble to change channels.

Attention people against the decomposition of government. Schreiber was kept here in Canada by the Liberals but for two reasons. Whenever they needed muck against Harper and/or Mulroney, he would be conveniently available.
On the other hand, if they needed help to raise funds for their party's failing finances, Schreiber could have served them royally, in exchange for his freedom of course. You need't be a genius to figure out "Ontario Liberal tactics."
The CBC was also conveniently available whenever Mr. Dion needed another load of manure. With a budget of 1.2 billion dollars and dozens of readily available puppets, The Fifth Estate entered the picure at an opportune moment.

Petition for Afstan Stamp @ Canada Post

coffee4ourtroops.com/

Last year, 510,000 foreign migrants came to the UK to stay for at least 12 months, according to the Office for National Statistics. At the same time 400,000 people, more than half of whom were British, emigrated.

An exodus on this scale - amounting to one British citizen leaving the country every three minutes - has not been seen in the UK for almost 50 years.

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Since Labour came to power in 1997, nearly four million foreign nationals have come to Britain and 1.6 million have left. Over the same period, 1.8 million Britons have left, but only 979,000 have returned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/16/nemi116.xml

stephen, Schreiber is saying that IF you send him back to Germany, THEN, he won't testify against Mulroney or anyone. The Germans had said - send him back; we'll collaborate with you; he can testify via video conferencing. No problem.

Schreiber is saying that if he's sent back, he'll go silent. That's quite the threat.

The problem is, that his verbal statements, here or there or anywhere, are unreliable. He's a pathological liar - even in sworn testimony, even under oath. It's irrelevant to him.

As for the 300,000 - I don't care about it. I don't see what difference it makes about anything. It's a private deal. Whether it was made when Mulroney was in office or outside of it - who cares? Remember, right now, Paul Martin is an MP, and he is carrying on business all around the world.

It's not the same as the Liberals using our taxpayer money to hire companies to campaign for the Liberals in Quebec! This Mulroney-Schreiber deal is private money!

shamrock - Dion is saying that he didn't receive Schreiber's letter (heh, sure)..until about 10 days ago, and he, good boy that he is, immediately sent it to the RCMP. Since Schreiber is, at the moment, in cahoots with the Liberals, he'll keep quiet about the letters he sent in March to ALL political leaders (Harper, Layton and Dion).

Only Layton and Harper say that their offices received the March letters; but both offices refused to respond. A political system cannot interfere with a country's legal system. Dion is saying that he, alone, didn't receive the March letter. Heh.

It's interesting to see how the Liberals are going to slither out of this. They've become ensnared, I think, between two different sets of tentacles. If it was just the Liberals-CPC, then, the whole issue could die. Remember, Harper's govt is not involved with Schreiber's deals.

But, this time, there are two To The Death Cockfighters: Schreiber and Mulroney.
Now that's a whole different scenario. Each has a different surface agenda: Schreiber:Stay out of Germany. Mulroney: Preserve My Saintly Image.

And a common hidden agenda - We Hate Each Other and We are Both Crooks.

Watching two Godfathers fight it out, is something else.

Garth Turner has posted a little anecdote on his blog whereby he passed a cup around the Liberals for a donation to Thibault's defense fund and came up with a whole four dollars. Isn't Garth the Special Advisor on fundraising for Dion?

In another vein, since Garth was once a member of Mulroney's caucus, he too could be found guilty by association and should start passing the cup around for himself.

Karl Schreiber won't "talk" if he is deported to Germany?

Would anybody else call this extortion or blackmail?

And who needs him to "talk". Just compile his thousands and thousands of pages of documents and pleadings he has already produced over the past 8 years where he has already blackmailed the Canadian government into being an accomplice in helping a criminal avoid justice in Germany.

And, related to the private business consulting deal with Mulroney there is already a civil lawsuit between the two men.

What more could Karl have to say? His recent affadavit restates that Mulroney had nothing to do with Airbus.

But, he hints that he has lots of information about other people. If I was Dion and the Liberals I would certainly read between the lines that those "other people" would be after 1993 and therefore connected to the Liberal government.

Perhaps he IS also blackmailing the Liberals? I'll "talk" about Mulroney if you help me stay in Canada and I'll keep my mouth shut about Liberals?

This stinks to high heavens and I can't shake the feeling that there is Liberal maneuverings and slime behind this whole thing.

And of course it only works in Canada with a compliant and equally slimey Liberal media.

Sorry, posted this in the wrong section...

Update to your story on the ousting of Conservative FCM President Gloria Kovach...

http://canadaconservative.blogspot.com/2007/11/fcm-statement-on-ouster-of-president.html

Interesting stuff... was Dion possibly involved?

MSM type haunting my Blog ctiticising me for criticising them,

Is it Meghan Hurley? It's so hard to be 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure,

KHS was mainly a PC supporter. I am surprised nobody has asked Joe Clark what he thinks of all of this.

Problem is that is ancient history....you would need to call Peter Pocklington and whole host of other people....It was a different time before campaign finances were closely watched. I am sure the Turner leadership race was just as ugly from a finance perspective.

Schreiber cant say he bribed people or he will be in jail here and I think his desire is to not be in jail anywhere. I cant imagine Canadian jails are significantly better than German jails. And if this is jst about that then there are treaties to let people serve time in the penal system of their home countries.

If KHS has soemthing to say he shoudl swear an affadavit now and say it. Barring the complications I raise earlier he should be shipped back to the land of chocolate. Brian should still explain why he took the $300,000 in cash, not Luc Lavoie but BMXPM.

It was, at a minimum a dumb thing to do.

Why does Dion keep betting against Canada ??

From the Washington Times;

* Global Warming Winner? Bet On Canada *

[Predicted climate change might not be bad for everyone.

Canada would be a net economic winner, according to an April U.N. report cited by a number of authorities in interviews in recent days. The paper predicted that milder temperatures would expand agriculture while boosting the economy with lower winter heating bills.

Yale University economics and environment professor Robert Mendelsohn lists a number of gains that Canada could expect from a 50- to 100-year shift to a generally warmer and wetter climate.

Among them would be the ability to grow fruit and vegetables in areas that now are useful only for grain, and the opening of iced-over Arctic waters to navigation and other commercial uses.

"Canadians will clearly be better off in the future than they are today. I can say that with confidence," he said. "The most dramatic gains could be in agriculture, depending on precipitation."] WT

http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071116/FOREIGN/111170001/1003

Hans at 9:44am..

**But Schreiber changed his previously sworn testimony that the deal was after Mulroney's tenure as PM; now says it was two days before leaving (heck- 48 hours)..and the Liberals used that to try to smear Harper, via Guilt by ASsociation. You see, Harper and Mulroney talked to each other - wow.**

Anything from proven purgerer Shreiber would be tainted inadmissable evidence.. including the contents of his *suitcase of papers*.

One has to wonder why the **Lawyers Club** keeps entertainig him in and out of the courts.

All I can come up with is his fat Swiss bank account. When the Swiss milk runs out, Canadian lawyers and judges will buy Schreiber an Air Canada seat to Berlin. = TG

Check out Licia Corbella`s column titled "Bigger Fish To Fry" in todays Toronto Sun...I wonder if Citoyen Dion would agree with her?

At least one writer at the Star isn't a brain dead moonbat:

Why this won't be Gomery II

Nov 16, 2007 04:30 AM
Chantal Hébert

OTTAWA – There are more than a half-dozen reasons why the upcoming inquiry into Brian Mulroney's affairs will be fundamentally different from Justice John Gomery's investigation into the Liberal sponsorship program, and the fact that it will focus on a former prime minister may be the least of them.

1. Paul Martin – who instigated the Gomery commission – was the number two figure in the government on whose watch the sponsorship affair took place. Over the period when Mulroney was having his controversial dealings with German businessman Karlheinz Schreiber, Stephen Harper was involved in the Reform party.

2. Many members of Martin's cabinet – including Stéphane Dion – were present at the time of the sponsorship program. None of Harper's ministers had a say in the 1997 libel settlement Mulroney secured from the federal government for having linked his name to a criminal investigation involving Schreiber and the 1988 Air Canada purchase of Airbus planes.

3. Some of the highest-ranking officials in the Jean Chrétien regime had a direct hand in the sponsorship initiative. With the exception of Government Leader in the Senate Marjory LeBreton, who was a PMO insider throughout the Mulroney years, none of the current government had a prominent role in his regime.

4. Chrétien opposed Martin's decision to call the Gomery inquiry. It came on the heels of a fierce civil war between their two clans. Mulroney actually called for an inquiry into his dealings. Although most of his associates backed Belinda Stronach for the Conservative leadership in 2004, Mulroney has since been supportive of Harper.

5. The Liberals were front and centre at the Gomery commission but the ruling Conservatives are unlikely to monopolize that unenviable spot at the Mulroney inquiry. His legal battle involved a Liberal government. And Schreiber did not restrict his lobbying activities to Tories; he was also close to some prominent Liberals, including Marc Lalonde, who served under Pierre Trudeau.

6. The sponsorship program was shut down only months before the Gomery inquiry was set up. Until then, it had been part of the government's unity strategy. When the public inquiry got underway, a police investigation was in its early phase. By comparison, the events at the core of the Mulroney inquiry go back 15 to 20 years. In whole or in part, they have been the subject of a lengthy RCMP investigation that could yet be reopened.

John Stossel on climate change: "Don't Look to Government to Cool the Planet."

The next insallment should be more interesting...he's planning to look at private-sector actions that can be undertaken voluntarily. Without the government knout, to put the point more bluntly.

Bigger fish to fry than Mulroney.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2007/11/16/4660183-sun.html

This delightful interchange from the "income trust blabbermouth from Wascana"

From Hansard Nov. 15 2007

Hon. Ralph Goodale (Wascana, Lib.): previous intervention next intervention
Mr. Speaker, the question was whether Mr. Mulroney complied with the law.

The Mulroney-Schreiber issue reignited in the media only days after the government came into power. There are damning letters in the Prime Minister's Office, but the paper trail is hidden.

Ministers deliberately refused to be briefed. A justice department review was started and then suddenly stopped. Some ministers consult Mr. Mulroney daily. He has numerous personal encounters with the Prime Minister. Was Mr. Schreiber ever discussed?

Will the Prime Minister change the mandate to include specifically whether the government was involved in a cover-up?
next intervention previous intervention [Table of Contents]

Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): previous intervention next intervention
Mr. Speaker, all the allegations made by the member for Wascana are completely baseless. They are complete fabrications.

All they are is designed to try to prove that other people are just as corrupt as the Liberal Party of Canada. I am afraid the Liberal Party of Canada has the trademark on corruption.

TG: Ven zey zend Schreiber zu Berlin, zen vee vill all be speaking German like zey vunted in ze forst place!!

A grand circus to be sure!!

Latest from Max Ass. Press:
New docs forged by the blackmailsmiths; it's "instant"; just add CO2; ready in 5000000 years.
Goreacle said these docs are fake but forged.

Look here! It's sources again: "Sources said that in a startling and much-debated conclusion,"
And look: it's more forceful than ever! ....blahahablahblahnyet ...

No wonder that Russky/Joneski doomsday suicide cult has holed up in a cave with all this bs floating 'round. Do them suiciders know something we don't know? No computers in that cave? Wireless, maybe?
...-

Delegates from 140 countries forge 'instant guide' on climate change
By Arthur Max, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
VALENCIA, Spain - Delegates from more than 140 countries agreed Friday on a scientific "instant guide" for policy-makers, stating more forcefully than ever that climate change has begun and threatens to irreversibly alter the planet. ...-
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/11/16/4661475-ap.html

First line on sda home page;

"I guess Smalldeadanimals speaks for the people of Saskatchewan after all"*

The asterick is the link.

Politicians ignore blogs at their peril --- ask Lorne :)

Breaking News: "Canadian troops involved in Afghan shooting death."

From it:

"An Afghan civilian was killed and another was injured in a shooting incident in Kandahar that involved Canadian forces, officials said Friday.

"The two Afghan men were travelling in a taxi on Thursday and approaching an International Security Assistance Force patrol convoy, ISAF officials said in a news release.

"The convoy included Canadian troops.

"The taxi "had ignored visual signs to stop. Warning shots were fired and the ISAF troops then carried on with their patrol," the statement said.

"Both men were treated at a hospital where one died of gunshot wounds. The other man was transferred to the multinational medical unit at Kandahar Airfield and is expected to be discharged shortly...."

The rest of the story says that the troops followed standard escalation procedure - in other words, the taxi driver ignored the warnings.

Gritted my teeth and made a point of watching CBC-Pravda the other night to see what kind of spin that was developing on the KHS/BM affair. Wasn't disappointed, however during one of the breaks was surprised to see CBC-Pravda giving away prizes to viewers for watching. That my friends is Liberal policy in action. Bribe people with their own money. CBC-Pravda can see the asteroid approaching.

Curious.. What is it that motivates the CBC to allow Convicts to talk to us at length in our living rooms from behind bars?

Consider the target...

Of course!! = TG

Cat'n'Mouses is now The Hunters and the Hunted with subpoenas. Next, put the witnesses under oath/perjury law.
Get 'em, Mr. Day, "wherever[whomever] they might be."
No temporizing; strike them. Be St. George and smite/slay the dragons of the Librano$.
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OTTAWA - The Conservative government is refusing to say whether it will postpone the extradition of Karlheinz Schreiber to Germany.

Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day says a pending public inquiry into the Mulroney-Schreiber affair will have the power to subpoena witnesses "wherever they might be."
Tories won't say if they'll delay Schreiber extradition ...-
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/11/16/4661322-cp.html

If Schreiber is kept in Canada to testify, I think it imperative that his testimony focus on where the 20 million in commissions got spent. (I just heard that there were not supposed to be ANY commissions as part of this deal and that roughly 10 million went to Canadian sources.)I think this is far more important than whether or not Mulroney got $300,000 -- which if it was part of AirBus would come out anyway. If we do not get to the bottom of the collusion that went on regarding the AirBus affair then this whole enquiry is a waste of time -- since Schreiber's conflicting testomony already lets Mulroney off the hook. Who was in Canada at the time? Who would have benefited from the AirBus contract? Are/were any of these people politically involved?

" human activity could lead to "abrupt and irreversible" changes in our climate unless action is taken. -- Note the use of the word "could" . . . watch for weasel words in the latest IPCC.

If we are going to open things up regarding inquiries maybe we can find out what happened to the cancelled helicopter contract. One of the reasons we have lost so many good Canadians in Afghanistan is because the Chretien government cancelled the contract and left Canadian Forces in a position of vulnerability in a danger zone. There should be an investigation into this as a governments main purpose is to preserve, protect, and propigate the citizens that elect it. Part of the protection is maintaining an armed force capable of fulfilling this role. The Chretien government's cancellation of the helicopter contract forced our soldiers to remain on the ground where they were subject to IED's and RPG's, this could in some areas be taken as criminal negligence on the part of the government. To make matters worse the Martin government committed our troops to the present action even though they knew that the DND was unprepared. (Green camo tunics in Afghanistan.) There are a lot more scandals involving a lot more money than what is tying up parliament right now that have to be investigated. Bring on a full inquiry but don't let it stop at BM, lets really get to the bottom of everything.

Christian Conservative (in an above post) references the mysterious dismissal of Federation of Canadian Municipalities President Gloria Kovach. There seems to be a suggestion that Dion was instrumental in the firing. If this is true, it does not look good . . . especially for someone touting the "lets have more women in politics" line.

The helicopters that Cretien cancelled were replacements for the Seaking, so they would have no bearing on the Army. It was Mulroney who sold our Chinooks to the Dutch, so if you want to play the blame game, the previous Conservative government deserves it's fair share.

Lindal: “I think it imperative that his testimony focus on where the 20 million in commissions got spent”

Agreed and we need to investigate is “commissions” code for bribes?

If they are bribes, why wouldn’t Canada sue Airbus for corrupting the tender process to our now private but oligopoly airline upon which commerce in this country is heavily dependant? Airbus by attempting to corrupt the process has put the proper selection of planes for our airline travel at risk. Why don’t we sue them?

Jack Layton, where are you now???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_justice;_ylt=AiZEnBuTPh3v5w4V4ABXJj7xrGIF

Bill Kill Gum Registry.

CanP uses "eliminate" in the head; but, kill in the first par/body.
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New bill would eliminate long-gun registry
By THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA - The government has reintroduced a bill to kill the controversial registry for rifles and shotguns. ...- (canoe news)

check out Licia Corbella's column in today's Toronto Sun, talking about Liberals scandals and particularly, Chretien's vindictive personal attack against Francois Beaudoin. He was president of the Business Devt Bank of Canada, and he refused to approve a 1.6 million dollar loan to Chretien's friend, Duhaime (the Grand-Mere Inn guy) in Chretien's riding.

The inn that Chretien once co-owned and that Chretien was still owed money for. Chretien at first denied he'd lobbied Beaudoin to give his friend the loan (and Chretien was PM at the time!) but later admitted that he had. Chretien forced Beaudoin out, got his friend a loan..and..tried to ruin Beaudoin.

http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/2007/11/16/4659939-sun.html

Licia asks - how come this and other Liberal dealings weren't the subject of a public inquiry? Because they are Liberals.

How hard is it to find out the date of Thibault's visits to KSH this spring ? Be interesting if they were around a certain mass mailing .......

Yes ET, I notice even Lawrence Martin in the Globe has mentioned the Francois Beaudoin case. I was stunned that he would even bring that up yesterday as I’ve always had him pegged as a Liberal toady. Credit where credit is due , good for him if he’s starting to write columns to achieve a better Canada with less corruption.

But why so late? Beaudoin would have single handedly taken down the Liberal government had the 4th Estate worked properly. He deserves the Order of Canada, he is a very courageous individual.

ET: because they are liberals
Once again ET you hit the nail on the head.

Licia Corbella's column --- isn't it the truth !!??

Should post a comment on Kinsella's 'one-way' blog. Need a screw driver and a pair of pliers to open it up.

Ottawa police zap officer with Taser to show device’s safety

An Ottawa police officer was zapped with up to 50,000 volts of electricity in front of CBC reporters Thursday in an attempt to demonstrate that the Taser that delivered the jolt is safe when used properly.

Staff Sgt. Mike Maloney, who was kneeling as his colleague Sgt. Mark Barclay shot him with the device, stiffened suddenly and fell forward silently with his knees still partly bent, twitching slightly for a few seconds.

When asked moments later how he was, he responded: “I’m fine. Do you want me to get up and run?”

The demonstration was put on hours after the release of a video showing the last moments of Robert Dziekanski, a man who died after being shocked with a Taser by RCMP officers at the Vancouver airport in October, renewing controversy over the safety of the stun guns.

Ottawa police, who have used Tasers for six years, would not comment on that incident.

But Barclay, who trains officers on when to use the devices and when not to, insisted that when used properly, the device can save lives.

“Sometime down road … you’re going run into someone who can take a tremendous amount of pain,” Barclay said. “And unfortunately, before the advent of the Taser, all we could do to get compliance of that individual was inflict more pain — more pepper spray, use more batons, more officers there, more injuries.”

The Taser causes muscle spasms that immobilize the person who was shot, allowing police to move in and subdue them. ...-
http://jacksnewswatch.com/2007/11/16/ottawa-police-zap-officer-with-taser-to-show-devices-safety/#comment-86243
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The rain in Georgia falls mainly on the Georgians and the atheists and the agnostics and the pantheists and the Baptists and the just and the unjust. ...-

Georgia on HIS Mind? (Atheists upset because Georgians prayed for rain -- and got it)

Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue is the subject of much chatter around the blogosphere for leading several hundred Georgia citizens in a public prayer for rain. Georgia has been in the midst of a drought this year, which is ruining agriculture crops and causing water shortages. So Mr. Perdue asked for divine intervention on Georgians' behalf. He and colleagues came together Tuesday to "pray for a storm."

Sure enough, two days later, an unpredicted cloudburst dropped an inch of rain over the southeast. But the rain wasn't everybody's idea of a happy ending. The Atlanta Freethought Society staged a public protest against the holding of a religious observance at the seat of state government, saying the rain vigil violated the separation of Church and State. An AP headline sourly noted: "US South gets rain after a governor prays for it, but not enough to ease historic drought." ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926881/posts

I just bought a #2 HB pencil from China. IT HAS LEAD IN IT!!! Who do I sue???

Lots of questions re the 300,000. Brian got and when he claimed it on his tax returns. Last century there were accounting rules one could follow. You claim the income when you earn it, not when you receive it. EG. You buy a 5 yr magazine subscription, and send your cheque. The magazine deposits your cheque and probably spends the money. However, it takes 5 years for that money to be claimed as income by the company. So, what if Brian got 300,000. but did not earn any of it for a few years, or months. Talk to an accountant. Same goes for prepaid expenses, and so many other things. Another thing is we do not know the year end of Brian's companies. Unless he goes Jan-Dec, it could be up to two years before he claimed it. I would bet that Brian has all his bases covered. And if KS is telling the truth, and Brain did nothing to earn the money (thus suing to get it back) maybe he never had to declare it at all, claiming he would earn it in the future. Send this KS back to Germany, as that country wants its tax money, and they could keep him in jail at their expense, not ours.
The fact he will not talk if sent back says he is nothing but a fraudster, and is possibly threatening the libs to keep him here. What does he know and what will he tell. Maybe he is threatening to talk about liberals if he is sent back, and will clear Brian.

Here's what you tell KHS - "you will testify, truthfully this time, or you're on the next plane to Germany, a*****e. You have twenty minutes to decide, talk or pack your bags.

No deals for this twerp.

Anyone know when Schreiber has been jailed.
ie:- how many times?, for how long?, where?.
I have been trying to track this down.
The reason for wanting to know this is that surely records were kept of who visited him and I'm wondering which libs visited him and for how long each time.
My suspicions of there having been been some sort of 'working together' have been raised and I'd like to see if a time frame might be a useful starting point.

“I just bought a #2 HB pencil from China. IT HAS LEAD IN IT!!! Who do I sue???”
I presume that is sarcasm about suing Airbus. Your argument is invalid. It not the something as a concerted effort to bribe (I realize it is yet to be proved but we need to get Airbus to the witness stand) our procurement people at Air Canada and our politicians and bureaucrats with $20 million.

The Europeans such as Airbus and Total Petroleum in the Middle East play by different commercial rules all over the world than do our publicly traded companies. If Boeing did that the SEC would be all over them and the stock would plummet.

If there is substance to this allegation then we should not tolerate companies such as Airbus to do business in Canada. Ditto the Chinese or anyone else who do not trade on a level playing field with our commercial practices.

“It not the something”
s/b
it is not the samething

Rich, [just above at 5:55],

** The reason for wanting to know this is that surely records were kept of who visited him and I'm wondering which libs visited him and for how long each time. **

You are a natural detective. Excellent idea . . .

For a Natural researcher. Very worthy persuit.

I get sidetracked too easily. = TG

"Licia asks - how come this and other Liberal dealings weren't the subject of a public inquiry? Because they are Liberals."

And because of their media handmaidens. And because of unelected Senate appointments for life.

Re: "#2 HB pencil from China. IT HAS LEAD IN IT!!! -- I didn't think pencil's actually had lead anymore . . . I thought it was carbon.

Shreiber has indicated that if he is shipped back to Germany he would refuse to testify. Well -- why would he then testify while still in Canada if he knew that the next day he would be shipped off to Germany? Schreiber only has power if he retains his secret -- I think it's time to ship him back. It would be impossible to get credible testimony from him anyway. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses and I think this is one of them. I actually think Harper should back off of the whole enquiry and turn things over to an independent prosecutor (which we don't have, but maybe he could put on in place.) I am hoping that not going forward with an enquiry is one of Johnston's recommendations. There is nothing for the Canadian people in this.

Alan posts this reference to an article in the Sun about Chretien's transgressions that have not received nearly the scrutiny that Mulroney's have -- even though nothing against Mulroney has been proven -- and that part of the problem is the media. My sense on Duffy today was that some of the journalists are not totally comfortable with where this enquiry is headed. Hopefully they recognize their role in feeding the whole controversy. Also, yesterday, I got the impression that maybe even Martha Hall Findlay is starting to feel a bit ill at ease with the direction her party is taking. Nobody really cares anymore about Multoney's transgressions -- whatever they might be. I think Harper should send Schreiber off to Germany and ride out the storm. Surely most Canadians are not scadalized by issues such as "met Schreiber two days before leaving office." Time to get some perspective.

Craig Oliver was on Duffy's show tonight saying that heinzboy should be shipped to Germany asap. That alone makes me think we should keep him and let the canary sing.

Progress, Progress And More Progress

Winning: News from Iraq gets better by the day, but the media have done their best to downplay the turnaround and congressional Democrats have basically pulled the covers over their heads and pretended it doesn't exist.
There's an eery silence out there about what's going on in Iraq. It's almost as if the silence is, well, intentional. Here are just a few examples of what we're talking about, pulled from last week's developments:

• In Basra, Iraq's second-largest city, British Major Gen. Graham Binns said that attacks against British and American forces have plunged 90% since the start of September.

• Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki reported that terrorist attacks of all kinds are down almost 80% from last year's peak — thanks directly to the U.S. surge of 30,000 new troops.

• Amid growing signs that even Iraq extremists have tired of terrorism and killing, a Sunni religious group closed down the high-profile Muslim Scholars Association because of its ties to terrorists.

• U.S. Major Gen. James Simmons, speaking in Baghdad, said Iran's pledges to stop sending weapons and explosives into Iraq "appear to be holding up." Roadside bombs, the leading killer of U.S. troops, have plunged 52% since March, he added.

• Perhaps most touching, according to a report from Michael Yon, who deserves to be the first blogger to win a Pulitzer Prize, Muslims are asking Iraqi Christians to return to help build Iraq. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927004/posts

As expected:

Climate change panel gives its final verdict: the future is bleak

Global warming may have “abrupt and irreversible” consequences and could cause the extinction of almost a third of all plant and animal species on the planet, the UN’s climate science panel will say today.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which shared this year’s Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore, the former US Vice-President, will tell world leaders that they have only a decade to curb greenhouse gas emissions and prevent catastrophic warming.

Qaeda chased from last Baghdad bastion(Turn out the lights...the party is over...)
Khaleej Times ^ | 16 November 2007

BAGHDAD - An armed Sunni group has ended Al-Qaeda’s tight two-year grip on north Baghdad’s volatile Adhamiyah neighbourhood and is now in control, an AFP correspondent witnessed on Friday.

A local militia calling itself the “revolutionaries of Adhamiyah” took over the Sunni district on the east bank of the Tigris on November 10 in a swift and audacious raid that sent Al-Qaeda fleeing from its last stronghold in Baghdad. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926975/posts

It's like World War Two all over again. On Thursday, Germany will transmit secret, enciphered radio messages that Britain will attempt to intercept and then decipher using Colossus, a rebuilt version of the 1940s computer that cracked Nazi war-time codes.

To add to the pressure on old Colossus, a machine the size of a truck that took 14 years to rebuild, modern PC operators will be racing to see if they can unscramble the encoded transmissions first.

My bet:-Schreiber will end up staying here after the gov't agrees to an immunity deal and a guarantee that he will never be shipped to Germany, Schreiber won't talk without it I bet.
Why would he ever testify here if he is facing deportation to Germany immediately following the proceedings ? The gov't will be forced to do this because of the howling opposition supported by the rabid news agencies.
This one is a lose-lose and I see no way out of it.
My spirits could only be lifted by a complete RCMP investigation into Shawinagate, the Beaudoin attack,the Relocation Scandal and Strippergate for starters.

Maz,
all those positive conditions growing in Iraq including...

** • Perhaps most touching, according to a report from Michael Yon, who deserves to be the first blogger to win a Pulitzer Prize, Muslims are asking Iraqi Christians to return to help build Iraq. ...- **

Yes, I agree with that blogger prize idea.

This growing senario framework where Nuke inspectors are less able to get current info on Iranian nuclear processing seems to be leading somewhere.

A possible vaporizing is adequate motive for Iranian mullahs to ease off. Seems Bush is determined to put America*s foot down.

More likely to be a conventional precision hit if it comes to that.

Trouble is, for every action there is a reaction. Bargaining and deal making is certainly the better way to go. Sure hope the Mullahs negotiate. = TG

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not to be missed...

jason cherniak visits the "land of the giants".

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As received from a friend - may be Urban Legend - May be true...

POLITICAL PACKAGING

Judy Wallman, a professional genealogical researcher, discovered that Hillary Clinton's great-great uncle, Remus Rodham, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889. The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is this inscription: "Remus Rodham; horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889.

Judy e-mailed Hillary Clinton for comments. Hillary's staff of professional image adjusters sent back the following biographical sketch:

"Remus Rodham was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory. His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with theMontana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to service at a government facility, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed."

And THAT is how it's done folks!

I just bought a #2 HB pencil from China. IT HAS LEAD IN IT!!! Who do I sue???

Just don't use it as a moderator in your backyard nuclear reactor, everything will be fine...

Seriously though, as a former "graphite-stained wretch" draftsman I've inhaled/wore more graphite than most and I'm justt fiinee, thank you.

I won't even mention all those crayons eaten and stuck up my nostrils when I was a child.

Nice to see the Progressive Conservatives have found their true home. Just curious what policies DeYawn has that they support. I didn't know he had any.

There was a realization, said Ms. Parsons, that Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion was offering policy options that closely mirrored their own.

“As a political party you are always trying to find your differentiators [with other parties] and I found that when Stéphane Dion became the leader of the Liberal Party that that differentiator was harder and harder to locate,” explained Ms. Parsons, who lives in Truro, N.S., and had been party leader since 2005.

"Buenos Aires recorded this Thursday (November 15th) the lowest November temperature in 90 years."

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHARLESTON SC
[...]
A FREEZE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 1 AM TO 8 AM EST
SATURDAY FOR MUCH OF SOUTHEAST SOUTH CAROLINA AND SOUTHEAST
GEORGIA.

COOL HIGH PRESSURE WILL SETTLE OVER THE AREA TONIGHT WITH CLEAR
SKIES AND LIGHT WINDS. TEMPERATURES WEST OF INTERSTATE 95 WILL
DROP TO BETWEEN 25 AND 30 DEGREES AFTER MIDNIGHT. FARTHER
EAST...LOW TEMPERATURES WILL DIP INTO THE 29 TO 32 DEGREE
RANGE...MAINLY WEST OF A LINE FROM RICHMOND HILL TO
SAVANNAH...BEAUFORT AND DANIEL ISLAND.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE IMMEDIATE COASTAL AREAS...SCATTERED TO
WIDESPREAD FROST IS ALSO EXPECTED.

A FREEZE OF 2 TO 5 HOURS IS EXPECTED IN MANY AREAS...WHICH IS
SUFFICIENT TO END THE GROWING SEASON. THOSE WITH AGRICULTURAL
INTERESTS SHOULD PREPARE NOW FOR A KILLING FREEZE.
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/november_2007/al_gore_wrong_again.htm

Al Gore Wrong Again
[...]
Ten years later residents in Argentina and Brazil are wondering if this winter will ever end. Buenos Aires recorded this Thursday (November 15th) the lowest November temperature in 90 years. Temperature in the Downtown weather station reached 2.5C. Since records began more than a century ago, only two days had colder lows in November. It was in 1914 (1.6) and 1917 (2.4). And ninety years ago the urban heat island effect was much less pronounced than nowadays. In Brazil's southernmost province Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil temperatures fell to 2.3C. In Sao Joaquim Monday's (Nov., 12) the temperature was -1.2 C with frost.

The culprit is a developing la Nina , a cooling of the water in the eastern Pacific along the South American coast, that some climatologists believe could indicate a return to the la Nina dominated situation that dominated from1947 to 1977. El Ninos, a warming of East Pacific waters. have been more common since then. Some climatologists believe the el Ninos may have caused what the IPCC calls "global warming".

NASA has recently indicated that the circulation of the Arctic Ocean has changed from the counterclockwise circulation of the 1990's to the pre-1990 clockwise circulation which could result in a cooling trend in the Arctic.

Such a shift would be consist with the projected cooling trend mentioned in the previous post.

See comment below for another warm location with a cold weather problem. ...-
(ibid)

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not to disturb the loony left's train of thought about those
poor taliban detainees... but two more canadian soldiers
have been killed in afghanistan.

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"Fight the Obesity Epidemic"! Madness is viral. It's everywhere. "You can see the logic".
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British woman banned from entering New Zealand because she is too fat

A British woman planning to start a new life with her husband in New Zealand has been banned from entering the country - because she is too fat.

Rowan Trezise, 33, has been left behind in England while her husband Richie, 35, has already made the move down under leaving her desperately trying to lose weight. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927165/posts

When the couple first tried to gain entry to the country they were told that they were both overweight and were a potential burden on the health care system.

Robyn Toomath, a spokesman for New Zealand's Fight the Obesity Epidemic and an endocrinologist said that obese people should not be victimised, but agreed with the restrictions.

"The immigration department can't afford to import people who are going to be a significant drain on our health resources.

"You can see the logic in assessing if there is a significant health cost associated with this individual and that would be a reason for them not coming in." ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927165/posts