Here's hoping for a landslide! Best wishes to all in soon-to-be-free Saskatchewan!

ok4ua

How ya feelin' today buddy?

Whatever the answer, it'll be worse tomorrow!

Go Sask Party!

JohnG said something interesting today. After today the name Grant Devine will never be spoken again.

...R. I. P. Tommy

Suck it down NDP.

Funny...watching CBC News this afternoon and they say they have no idea why Saskatchewan voters are looking for a change. The economy is great, it's a great province...why would people be unhappy? They're stumped.

Can anyone here enlighten them?

Is anyone else having trouble bringing up the bog voting website? I've tried several times today and cannot get through.

Also unable blog awards all morning.

Small Dead Animals harbours true impotency issues and is only relevant in terms of evidence that Tommy Douglas' best wishes couldn't quite get through to everyone - that there are still sons and daughters of those doctors who wouldn't set his brokenleg without being paid up front, who looked south with deviant sexual longing and got their drool all over an otherwise flawless wheat field. Ironically they remain healthy enough under the NDP to complain with sickeningly retarded voices.

We didn't have enough sense in Ontario to turf the lying idiot McSquinty out but I do hope Saskatchewan makes the correct decision and turfs Calvert

Best of luck

How are those sour grapes love raymi?

To enlighten the CBC

A woman called in to the snap election poll on the Murray Wood Show today in Regina.

She said she was going to vote NDP.

When Murray asked why she said "because of their record."

Let's see... we have the longest waiting lists for health care in Canada and the worst record for retaining doctors and nurses.

We have the highest crime rate in Canada.

We have highways that are worse than most third world countries. Even the Trans-Canada is a disgrace.

We have a government that paid a former bureaucrat who was convicted of assault after being charged with sexual assault in the workplace $275,000 severance rather than face him in court.

The nine women he assaulted got to split I believe it was $120,000 between them.

So other than that , CBC, everything is rosy.

And the woman likes their record.

Sheesh!!!

I've been having problems with the weblog site too - I suspect someone may be attempting a dos attack, though I have no information either way.

There was a caller to either Gormley (or Wood ?) who was just as good - she's voting NDP, because we have to "learn to be patient". It was absolutely hilarious. Like a SaskParty ad.

AND DON'T FORGET CLIMATE AUDIT UNDER SCIENCE BLOG!!!

I've been trying to get in all day, no cigar.

I visited our "friend" love raymi at his blog and posted this on one of his articles:

"To the guy who runs this site: What on earth were you doing visiting Small Dead Animals and posting some half-A@@ed troll comment about something that you obviously don't know anything about? Your comment made no sense.

PS. I'm trolling your site with this post, because what comes around goes around, and this is a good example."

All trolls be advised: If you troll these comments and give a URL to your blog, don't be surprised if your site gets trolled in return.

We gotta push climate audit over the top in the blog awards.

All Raymi wanted was the attention (and the hit), and you gave it to him. You probably doubled his traffic for the month.

I've already started strutting in anticipation of correctly predicting the results of the Sask election on Oct. 29th:

I predict the following six ridings to go green (Sask Party) on election day:

Regina Wascana Plains
Saskatoon Greystone
Saskatoon Eastview
Yorkton
Saskatchewan Rivers
Meadow Lake

and that the Sask Party wins 34 seats.

Posted by: Andrew | October 29, 2007 4:32 PM

I figure the Sask Party will get 47.9% of the vote.

Babble seems to be silent about the Sask election. Must be pretty bad from their point of view to let that happen.

The Blog Awards site is bunged ....
SDA gets (unintended?) results !

Any update on the POLLs in SK?

The advanced polls should be all counted by now... no?

Suzuki Foundation not nominated ? Not a 'science' blog ?

Does anyone know which websites will have up to date polling results? Polls close in 2 hours and 15 minutes. If you have not voted yet, better get moving now.

Blog voting side is working now - Kate is about 1200 votes in the lead. About 46% of the total. Put her over the top.

It seems that Saskvotes.com has something going on there and i did find a page at elections sask http://www.elections.sk.ca/results.php
but it is blank right now, so I am not sure. I work in North Battleford and heard today that even the seat there could go to SaskParty.

Make that "Blog voting site"

Regina South is going to be very close. Stay tuned...

haha raymi is a girl. are you proposing that someone from your or my camp attacked the polls? interesting.

You should be able to get current results here: http://www.saskvotes.com/

G'day Raymi - I took a quick look at your site to see what the competition was about.

What a load of vacuous, inane, hedonistic crap!

Kate is a girl too. The difference is that she's not a flea-brained nitwit.

(Wording modified to get past Kate's censors).

LOL, left wing chicks talking about Kate here:

http://www.sooeys.com/viewtopic.php?t=3414&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Sample comment from commenter "Devil Woman":

"Raymi is a boring blogger. I don't need to see her tits. I have my own, and they're better than hers.
(And no Idler, no free samples.)
But Kate and Kathy are predictable and hateful.
So I am voting RAYMI!!
You go girl!"

ya, raymi yuhuh Another dorkette that doesn't do capitalization or punctuation. yer edjikayshun tax dallers at work

Anybody got an ELECTION UPDATE, even a breathless exit poll from a brain damaged MSM minion? I'm dyin' here!

Speaking of predictable and hateful, 'Devil Woman' is Antonia Zerbisias.

"haha raymi is a girl."

Girls have breasts, Raymi doesn't. She's either a young male who needs a hair cut or the unfortunate recipient of a double mastectomy.

Stay on topic before Kate kicks your butt. The election results are starting to trickle in.

The http://www.saskvotes.com/ site is getting hammered. Updates take forever. Checking other sites.....

Interactive map at cbc.ca right now:

NDP - leading in 14
SP - leading in 4
LIB - leading in 1

NDP leading 21

Sask:12
Lib:1

SP 23
NDP 22
LIB 1

Sask Party leading NDP 26 seats to 25, CBC biased, developing...

CTV projects Sask Party win.

28-24 good guys....

Prince Albert is commie, Regina Dewdney slight sask party lead

wascana plains very tight, small sask party lead

SP: 29
NDP: 24
Lib: 0

sask greystone slight ndp lead

watching from Manitoba, SP in majority land if polls hold up.

SP 31
NDP 25

watching from Manitoba, SP in majority land if polls hold up.

Popular Vote
SP 52.7
NDP 35.5
Lib 9.5

Yikes, Sask Party might not break 32 seats despite 51.6% of vote, Sask electorate heavily fragmented.

Karwacki running 3rd in Meewasin

"FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST...THANK GOD ALMIGHTY [SASKATCHEWAN'S] FREE AT LAST!!"

Greens under 2%. Don't you people care about the planet?

Flipping between CBC Newsworld coverage and CTV newsnet, CTV anounced SP majority at 8:43, CBC l not confirmed until 8:51pm

Congratulations, Saskatchewatooners - you've proved that it's possible. Now you have to overturn years of NDP institutions.

Wow. Sask Party winning, but not by as much as I thought. I expected a landslide. They might be calling him one term Brad in 4 years from now. In any regard a change of government will hopefully bring about some positive new ideas!

Now, if only we could effect such a change here in the communist state of Manitoba.

"Speaking of predictable and hateful, 'Devil Woman' is Antonia Zerbisias."

If this is true it is way too funny and nearly as awesome as the NDP losing tonight.

Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard.

Steve, it depends if they redraw the map to chop up some NDP ridings. Ridings around Saskatoon such as Biggar, Humbold, and Martinsville win by huge majorities (~70%) and could be redrawn to give the SP a few of those "ubran" ridings.

Congratulations to the voters of Saskatchewan from an envious Ontarian.
Good luck, and PROSPER!
You've made the right choice.

The NDP were the best friends Alberta ever had. Sad night!

Just looked at Raymi the Minx site, I think I lost IQ points. Been voting for SDA every day

Way to go Sask Party!

And now Mr. Wall, a tax cut for my good friends please. Friday will be soon enough, give you tomorrow for the hangover.

The CBC commentary was obviously partisan for the NDP; they comments were focused around 'hope' for the NDP, and even the Liberals.

Finally, they declared a SaskParty win - and then, told 'the Rest of Canada' what the SaskParty actually, politically, meant.

The SP, the CBC informed us, is very similar in ideology to the NDP; it began about 10 years ago out of the dregs of the Conservative Party, and with Liberals, and is 'slightly right of centre. Not 'right'; just slighly right of centre, but, the CBC informed us, really quite similar to the NDP [and the NDP is the party they obviously wanted to win.]

However, since the SP is, as the CBC informs us, very similar to the NDP - I guess they'll allow it.

The CBC said NOTHING about any issues or problems in the province. Not a word. The only email from 'the rest of Canada' that they posted for us, was one from someone in Toronto, begging that Sask..retain the NDP.

So much for unbiased and factual coverage.

lol CBC was keeping up with the tally until the SP took the lead. Then, no more updates: http://www.cbc.ca/saskvotes2007/

Good point ET. In that spirit of unbiased truthfulness, I'd just like to say to the good people at the CBC and poor defeated Lefties throughout Canada tonight:

We feel your pain.

Overall Election Results

Party Elected Leading Total Vote Share
SP 31 2 33 52.01%
NDP 17 8 25 36.35%
LIB 0 0 0 9.31%
GRN 0 0 0 1.95%
OTH 0 0 0 .39%
Last Update:November 7, 9:23:15 PM CST

http://www.cbc.ca/saskvotes2007/

Richard Evans, I think the Greg Staples Principle apply:

http://www.politicalstaples.com/2007/11/05/political_staples_rule_no_1.html

You know 1 Billion dollars of taxpayer money does not go very far.

Overall Election Results

Party Elected Leading Total Vote Share
SP 31 2 33 52.01%
NDP 17 8 25 36.35%
LIB 0 0 0 9.31%
GRN 0 0 0 1.95%
OTH 0 0 0 .39%
Last Update:November 7, 9:23:15 PM CST

http://www.cbc.ca/saskvotes2007/

Listening to Calvert's concession speech... Such sweet music...

Sincere congrats Kate - you delivered for your province!

Bravo zulu!

Here's what I just posted on my blog:

Congratulations to the new premier of Saskatchewan, Brad Wall. At the time of posting this, the Sask Party holds a clear majority of 36 seats, with the NDP reduced to 22. The Liberals got ZERO seats!

Congratulations must also go to Kate and her great blog small dead animals. I have no doubt that the change in the province was made possible to a considerable extent by her blog.

You can get the CBC I-net feed HERE.

Loved Wall's speech. Took a lot of cojones to do it.

BTW, I am only lefty when a dear friend is involved (read Pupatellontario).

I'm watching coverage on CTV Regina. Is it my imagination or do the anchors appear to be genuinely happy at the turn of events?

Where is okua, anyone...anyone...

Congrats to Sask Party voters. My fingers are crossed you knew what you were doing.

Bet the 'errands' Kate was running was to pick up beer and popcorn for the celebration.
Congrats Saskatchewan!!

Congratulations to you Kate and all those who wanted change.

Saskatchewan can be just as prosperous if not more than Alberta. Now's your chance to get it done!

Not sure which results are latest, CBC says 33 seats and Saskvote 36. CBC don't seem to update results all the time. For those of you who wished a bigger margin, well, a win is a win!

Brad Wall on

We won one here finally ... but for anyone who didn't know the CBC before tonight, even they can't be gracious about progress.

I know nothing of the following Serge LeClerc ... nothing. But for CBC to describe this SP winner as follows (and I did cut and paste) ... is just beyond me.

"Saskatoon Northwest returned to the Saskatchewan Party, electing newcomer Serge LeClerc, a former drug addict who now runs a drug recovery program. He beat ..."

If they did anything at all for a real person, they made me MORE wanting to shake this man's hand and tell him I am glad we did what we did tonight!

I mean get out of here. I think in a previous life somewhere I was born upside down in a gorilla ... good thing no one found out about it!

LMAO!
Rick

Saskatchewan is FREE!!! The socialist regime has ended!!!! Now the Socialist only have Manitoba and Cuba!!!

At last, Saskatchewan, congratulations. We have grown-ups running Saskatchewan and the country, too bad the back-room boys toppled old Ralphie here in Alberta to bring in a retrograde socialist.

Oh yeah ... one thing that tells all.

I kept both channels open (BTIM newstalk980 and CBC) to hear what was going on.

CBC focus ... the loser ... Mr. Calvert and the NDP

newstalk980 ... the winner! (like most other's in the media would focus on - let's see our "promised land" with the power behind it! (and yes, that is a challenge to Mr. Wall)

Rick

It is a GREAT night in Saskatchewan. We finally have a real leader and real team to guide this province in the right direction. In my riding of Moose Jaw North it is still too close to call, I have faith that we will be represented in this new government. Great Job Brad! Saskatchewan is now poised to be a powerhouse on the Canadian stage! God Bless Saskatchewan!

I really think that Sharon Elliott's hat switching routine was a winner. If in the next election EVERY NDP candidate does the same, I'm sure comrades, we will again be victorious.

Ear flaps rule!!! !!!!

NDP - Nready Dfor Pbusiness ... NDP.

WE ARE FREE AT LAST!

HOPE BEATS FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!

Suck on that Lorne

I've had the honor and the pleasure of meeting Serge LeClerc in person. His life story is incredible. He has risen from the worst background you can imagine, to become a counselor and role model for addicted youth and now an MLA. This would make a really good TV movie. Except I don't want the people who did the Tommy Douglas movie to do this one, as it is a true story.

CONGRATS to SK!!! Finally, there is hope for a province that has so much potential - with Brad there is hope! No more repression for the masses.

WHO'S AFRAID OF THE BIG BRAD WOLF?
Not the voters in Saskatchewan.
Congradulations to Brad and his team. And a big congradulations to Nadine Wilson who unseated what was probibly the most useless MLA in Saskatchewan history.

are the results ok4ua?

Did anyone hear Andrew Thompson(former ndp cabinet minister) say we have to watch out for the "Christian Conservatives"? If it was any other group people would be howling. It is a great day for Saskatchewan!

The maturing of Saskatchewan.

Right on!!!

Warning, Warning
I was just driving past a nursing home and saw a Sask Party bus loading all the old people from the home on it. This must be the start of it. The kicking out of grandma and grandpa from the home. The inhumanity. And what's this? a little further down the block I see a FOR SALE sign up at SASKTEL. This just can't be happening. Lying Lorne was right all along. What will we do? And there's Pat Atkinson chaining herself to the doors of a Liquor Store. Way to go Pat. who will save us.
Only one thing to do, LOL.

Let's hope the SaskParty is up to the task and what they've seen isn't repeated. Perhaps it is time to buy a little piece of Saskabush for investment purposes.

I'm afraid to inform the fellow Canadians here that Canada is a socialist state, whether the NDP are in power or not; maybe the reason for this is the NDP, Lieberals, and small-interest groups have big mouths, and there aren't enough socks in existence that could be shoved down their gullets to shut them the heck up.

Thanks to everyone who participated in my markets ... special thanks to Kate for helping me in this experiment.

The big play money winner on the "Next Gov't" ... drum roll ... is Garth Brewer ... with a $8,276.87 gain. The results (does not include anyone that cashed out) are here (thanks again to everyone):

http://uralsmarkets.blogspot.com/

saskadan, yes, I heard that. Scare tactics continue. Beware the evil Christians. LOL!!!!

Nice birthday present for me but I haven't checked the Lotto numbers yet.

Sell the Crowns! Sell the Crowns! Sell the Crowns!

Sell the Crowns to...ENCANA! even better Conoco Phillips! Moo Hoo Ha Ha Ha

Thanks to everyone who participated in my markets ... special thanks to Kate for helping me in this experiment.

The big play money winner on the "Next Gov't" ... drum roll ... is Garth Brewer ... with a $8,276.87 gain. The results (does not include anyone that cashed out) are here (thanks again to everyone):

http://uralsmarkets.blogspot.com/

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

Congratulations to Saskatchewan voters, and to the Sask Paarty. You've made the first big step, just keep on rolling!!! Hope you sell the "Crowns" too.

HAHA ...dj that was hilarious ,ty. and as for Serge Leclerc I too know him very well. Fantastic guy with an unbelievable past. read his book if you want to hear an amazing story....geez i went outside and the stars are shinning WAY brighter then normal! whats up with that?

'the stars are shining brighter' - Do you realize what that means???

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've got a paper clip I'm willing to trade for a house in SK. Any takers now?

Someone above made a good point. Will this even translate into highly altered policy? Both parties have moved to the center. The Sask party platform is pretty much the NDP under a different name, minus PST on cars.

Woopdee doo.

jon,

It appears that the voters have discovered a difference ... but if it makes you feel good ...

From a Saskatchewan born Alberta republican... God Bless and God Speed Saskatchewan in your journey from the dark ages.

Predictions on which highways get fixed first now?

New face on the roadkill, eh ?

This is either a transcript of two Pez dispensers holding a seance, or a CBC drone interviewing "raymi". Kind of hard to tell.

http://radio3.cbc.ca/blogs/blogentry.aspx?year=2006&month=12&entrytag=Interview-Raymitheminx

Any comments from Dion or Layton. Imagine, 8 years and no liberal members of a provincial govt.
Does Goodale feel safe.

Glad to see you guys happy

How about endorsing us for best european blog after we endorsed you all week long...?

Ahwell... Life sucks. Well, elections do.

;)

Congratulations with shattering the opposition!

How about endorsing us (Van Der Galien Gazette) for Best European Blog after we endorsed you all week long?

Unanswered love. It's a ... I tell you.

Congrats on throwing the rogues out!Too bad we didn't here in Ontario.

Lorne Calvert just got his ass handed to him by a girl.

Did anyone listen to Larry Hubick's thinly veiled threats? What a jerk!!!

'Seems that smalldeadrodent with a face that looks remarkably like Lorne Calvert's has jinxed your blog, Kate.

I'm getting no sidebars and HUGE print. Hmmm. 'Hope that when I get home from work tonight everything at SDA will be back to normal.

Congrats, Sask, for voting with your heads. Great victory for c/Conservatives--the NDP defeated and the Liberals shut out...

WAY TO GO!!!

Sorry BATB - It is loading fine here, but I've edited the code. Let me know if it's working now.

Sorry Michael - this was the first I knew of it!

I just read that voter turnout was 74%!!!!

Kate...SDA is loading fine for me here in hopeful Saskatchewan! It was a good night. Karwaki was yapping about how great a campaign he and his team ran...all while he was personally in third place and his party was at zero seats! The NDP were told that "Hope trumps Fear" by the voters and Brad's victory speech was excellent. It hardly gets better!

Yeah same here in NB. I knew SDA was huge but not like this. The print is MASSIVE.

My SDA looks altogether different too. Huge print, no side bars, and everything sort of squished together! (I had to hunt for these comments.) I hope things are back to normal soon.

Yeah, Saskatchewan Party!! Well done, Kate and Saskatchewan!

Congratulations Sask. Party, Brad Wall and the Freedom loving people of Sask who finally got rid of the Socialist hords!! Congratulations Kate, this blog has been the Sask. Party's most influential ally. Once again SDA gets results.

Well hopefully they won't be as corrupt as Sask's last right wing government.

Hey Gray - why skip generations? We'll be happy if they aren't as corrupt as Calvert & Clan.

Gary like a good little socialist you're still fighting decades old battles. Its 2007 better move on.

Hurray, hurray, it's a holy holiday!

Congrats, my dear friends from Sask - you deserved that victory!

The people of Saskatchewan are now the proud owners of the most right wing provincial government in Canada.

With AB now having higher tax rates than BC for icomes less than 108,000 and having just announced the largest tax increase in Canada in the last few years - the increase in royalties - it will soon cede its reputation of having an 'advantage' of the other provinces to its eastern neighbour Saskatchewan.

Perhaps this will put a rod up the collective ass of the asses in the AB PC party leadership.

Finally...
Some business leadership in Saskatchewan... Let's get the economy started!

Hopefully Brad Wall will be Danny Williams like and stand up for the province.

The LAST thing SK needs is for Wall to be "Danny Williams - like".

Talk about a recipe for driving away investment and knee-capping economic growth and opportunity. There hasn't been an exploratory well drilled in NL for almost five years (the last one cost approx 200 MM$ making it one of the most expensive ever due in no small part to the regulatory overhead in NL)- even though oil prices are at nominally record highs.

Jeez DDT
Thats a bit ironic given the post at the top of the main page . .

Kate
Time will tell . . .

Enjoy your win. Time for the Sask NDP to renew after all that time a government.

Still feeling your pain there Lefties, yes we are. Kinda feels like a kick in the ass with a frozen mukluk, eh?

Finally, a government that understands economic policy. Personally, I'd like to see SaskTel reduced by about 80% of employees, but I'm betting that's just wishful thinking.

Here's to the SaskParty and to four years (at least) of moving our province toward a non-socialist future - it could not come any sooner.

The election went the way the media wanted it to. Now the Sask party can take credit for what the NDP has done. WE had a balanced economy. I hope that continues. We will wait and see if the SAsk party will keep it's promises.

I hope the Sask Party doesn't screw up a great economy.

ok4ua still missing in action. its a big reserve , plenty of corners to lay down and sober up in.

I don't know how the Sask Party pulled it off, especially considering all the lawn sign placement problems.
At any rate, congratulations to the people of Saskatchewan for finally voting against socialists...

Hat's off to Kate!! SDA's RKD played a landmark role in taking down the commies! They (RKD) sure had the red faction at CBC and Radio-Canada Regina squirming in front of their TV cameras more than once during the campaign.!
The trick is not to let our guard down during the next four years. We have to fight the commies ever day of the SP's term, come hell or high water!!

The Leader Post and Star Phoenix cost us (SP) at least 7 city seats. The CBC-Radio Canada most likely hit rural sask the most, because a lot of farms still use the traditional VHF-UHF signal.
Let's not lose sight of our enemy!

David Karwaki - Official leader of the Public Gallery.....has a nice ring to it!

Next election is only 4 years away, November 7 2011. TIME TO PREPARE..

Trouble in Meadow Lake, folks. The R.O. counted wrong last night: Sask Party by 17 votes now...and, I understand, some advance ballots are yet to be counted. Didn't Harrison suffer ballot box oddities his last trip out (as a MP...)?

The world turned upside down... Saskatchewan has a conservative government and Charlie Brown is running Alberta!

Now all the roads will be fixed. The hospitals will have no wait times.There will be a surplus of nurses. Do you people really believe that?

ok4ua Of course we believe, but then we believe in "free" medicare too. We also believe that any government will better manage our hard earned dollars than we will. A great Liberal told us that we couldn't be trusted with our own money 'cause we would just blow it all on popcorn and beer and we believed him and voted for PMPM.
Never let it be said that we are just a bunch of country bumpkins. No siree Bob, not us.

People believe whatever the media tells them. Most people don't know what they're voting for.

There will be lots of confederate flags and gun racks. Lots of good ole boys.

As if there wasn't enough effort to troll the blog...

But it is never too late! We must strive to stop Brad Dubya McWallhitler from turning Saskatchewan into the evil fascist dictatorship of Confederalbertamerica!

Sheesh.

ok4ua,

As long as they are running your arse outta this province I really dont see a problem.......

Those of you from Regina may have noticed that the free online edition of the Leader Post had a "sound off" so the public could e-mail their thoughts about the election. Needless to say, the SP got overwhelming replies and attention. The site was pulled off the air!! Wonder why???

congrats to Saskabush, sincerely from Manitoba.

Now if we could only receive help on how to get rid of our NDP.

Only 4 more years... 4 more years...

[deleted - language warning. If you can't stay on topic, and refrain from insults, you know where the door is. ED]

Give this new SaskParty enough rope and they will hang themselves.

When the NDP was running its “Come to Saskatchewan” ads, I wonder if they ever thought of how these new residents would vote?

Actually, I suspect many of the new (and returning) Saskatchewanians decided to move only partially because of the province’s booming (despite the Dippers efforts to hold it back) economy.

I’m thinking many also came because they knew the communi…er, NDP government…would soon be out after 16 years of catering to everything that was negative. 16 years of elections won, and policies based on, the envy, hatred and fear of anything outside the province’s borders. And the hatred of capitalism. Bad, bad capitalism.

It took 16 years, but finally, hope beat fear. F*ckin eh!!

The Sask Party will help the top 10%. Not the poor and not you or I. None of you on this blog are in the top 10%.

You're right, I'm not in the top 10 per cent. And under the NDP socialists, I'd never be able to pull myself up there, either. Today's Dippers don't like the idea of rewarding hard work or education. They'd rather hand out lucrative Crown or gov't jobs to friends and relatives. And tax small business and farmers to death, to pay for their excesses. Somehow I don't think that's what Tommy Douglas had in mind...