So who is the person with Laura Bush?

Judy Rebick, Sunera Thobani, or her highness Louise Arbour?
Amazingly, we never hear a peep from our Canadian feminist zealots about women's rights under the Muslim ruled mid-eastern authoritarian countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc.
Where are you girls?
Speak up for your tented sisters!

What a twisted view we have of the Arab world.

My sister-in-law has worked in the M.E. for over 10 years. Her photo albums don't look anything like the barrage of images us westerners are constantly subjected to.

Our MSM photogs always want to play up the dramatic with images of sharp contrasts and devestation.

Yes, it is true that some Arab women are treated worse than cattle. But the same can also be said of western women, usually in more subltle ways that don't peak the media's attention.

The image of Laura with the burkha clad women looks heavily photoshopped for maximum impact.

Yeah, Ron. In fact, here in Delisle, we held three subtle stonings last month alone.

Our MSM photogs always want to play up the dramatic with images of sharp contrasts and devestation.

But it's proven that Iraq is a quagmire.

Take your double standards and move to Cuba. You'll be very welcome there. This country is just a totalitarian fascist imerialist state about to throw you in prison for your courageous speaking of truth to power.

Right?

Hey Ron,

What are these "subtle ways that don't peak the media's attention"?...because lord knows the MSM is never interested in any stories (real or imagined) that show how beastly your average white, beer-swilling red-neck westerner treats wymyn.

Yeah, Ron. In fact, here in Delisle, we held three subtle stonings last month alone

well kate, no point in trying to understand the subtle truths of ron's sensible observations. not good for traffic.

funny to hear you drone on about such things when you are perhaps one of the most censored bloggers around.

if you vary even an inch from the formula that feeds the beast, there wouldn't be much interest in your cute little observations.

How about your beloved USA and what goes on in Utah. 14 year old girls forced into sex acts with perverted bigamists. Then have to marry them to become a sister-bride to that same pervert.

I’m sure if given the opportunity, being stoned to death might be a more palpable option rather than living their lives in total despondency.

Same thing in Bountiful, here in BC. Though I don't claim to accuse anyone of committing crimes without any particular evidence.

And that perverted bigamist was charged, tried, and found guilty. He now faces years in prison.

A picture that speaks a 100 words.

It is a graphic representation of the surreal immigration policies of the Bush regime.

Twisted view? Personally, I think it's clarifying. Kudos to Laura Bush for trying.

Subtle truths..... that would be things are sort of true some of the time ... if you look at it just right with your eyes squinted .... and have been practicing with your doityerself home lobotomy kit!

Eh Jeffy! Hows the scar on the orbital socket?

BTW - Ron the word is PIQUE ...look it up get an education.

...which one is Laura?

The average woman in a Western country is desperate to emigrate to Saudi Arabia or Iran and escape the Western male dominated patriarchy that they're oppressed under - just like everybody else.

Oh wait a sec. It's the other way around. Interesting.

Apologists for these fascists are real jerks.

The picture says it all, a blob of funeral fabric, an apt metaphor for Muslim females, and a western female with whose facial expressions and words we are free to examine, connect with and share a bond of humanity.

If David Horowitz's Islamofascism Awareness college tours this week with on its poster the infamous photo of the Muslim woman being executed in a stadium hasn't brought the feminist victim studies hags out of the woodwork nothing will. It hasn't. They don't give a damn. Vilifying Laura Bush is more important than speaking up for that poor sack of fabric.

One of the historic characteristics of the left has been it's consistent ability to overlook human cruelty, to spin it, and endorse it where their ideology meets resistance since the time of Lenin.

They are evil.

Liberal Ron, go to central Asia and have a look at bride kidnappings, the whitewashed BBC version is that it's just a quaint old custom where the girl can refuse marriage, the reality is that most of them are raped and after that, marriage to their rapist is the only option. But bride kidnappings only happen to about a third of Khyrgyz women, so it's kind of a subtle thing, which is maybe why the lefty media hasn't noticed it very much.
They are an enlightened bunch though, it's very rude to swear in front of a woman there.
They beat the shit out of their wives, but they don't swear in front of them.

I can't get over how utterly out of touch western leftists are. What is truly scary though, is that Ron and Jeff are the norm in the NDP and becoming the norm in the Liberal party.

It is a great photo. It's almost like the niqab-bearer is a scissors cutout, removing the woman altogether. Islam makes women invisible through the niqab and burqa, and they wear their prison bars gladly.

The purpose of the burqa was to foil the practice of stealing the best looking women from another tribe during a war party. It's based on historic tribal practices and strife, not religion. It's hardly necessary anymore. But if you don't want your woman stolen, I suppose you keep her under wraps, even today. It's about male insecurity. You would think the feminists would be all over that like a cheap pant suit.

I have noticed that only the most ridiculous trolls bother visiting here to tilt at their windmills... the rational who disagree either (a) hit the wall of reason and bounce off (b) put a cogent argument in the comments, which if logically valid, is often embraced by the blog owner.

Today's trolling smacks of "vast right wing conspiracy" pap. The mouthpiece of that evool conspiracy turns out to be an airbrush artist from a small town on the prairie. How clever - the left will never see it coming. Who knew? Really, my sides are hurting.

I bet Sir Paul, the beatle, wishes divorce laws were just like the muslim countries.
What guarantee is there that it is a woman under that garb, and where is the other person.
Are there no eye-holes in that outfit. But, she does support something with that ribbon.
Steffi was missing for a few days, is that him with Laura.

How on earth could you have a conversation with someone covered up like that? It would be an uncomfortable conversation, kind of like the one you have with a teenage clerk at a convenience store with numerous cheek, lip and eyebrow piercings. I am always tempted to ask them "Why would you do that to yourself?"

Relativist equivocation Ron.

There is no right and wrong for you, eh. And all cultures are equal, except the Western one which is inferior. Why don't you eff off to some freedom loving place like Burma. Your full of BS

Goddamn that picture makes me mad.
It kinda puts the whole "women being freed from the burka in Afghanistan" into question.
Notice how it's posted all across the right-wing blogs, but hardly even noticed on the left-wing ones...

At any rate, most of the primitive countries in the Middle East(Saudi Arabia especially) deserve a taste of Iraqi-style liberation...

I wonder if Hillary will experience these same problems while visiting Tehran after she's elected?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cc_1193363452

How about your beloved USA and what goes on in Utah. 14 year old girls forced into sex acts with perverted bigamists. Then have to marry them to become a sister-bride to that same pervert.

I am so fascinated by the way the liberal mind works. They take the activities of a sub-culture in Utah (that everyone thinks is nuts) and try to dress it up as being the normal culture for the United States.

Ron, the norm for the US is not represented by what goes on among a minority of organized freaks in Utah...no more than Bountiful BC is representative of Canadian norms. Our (and the American) laws prohibit such activity. True, true, authorities on this side of the Atlantic are slow and have been hestiant to react because they are concerned about Pandora's box with that whole freedom of religion thing. In fact, when you get right down to it, not cracking down on the polygamist sub-culture has indirectly benefitted muslims and their many-wives notions.

But progress is being made. Warren Jeffs has been nailed. The bottom line is that our society condemns that behaviour.

Stoning of women and other forms of repression are endorsed both in a de facto and de jure way in the ME.

I really think you liberals should donate your brains to science. I would really like to know if your minds are defective from birth or if it's an acquired problem. You attempt to create equivalence where none exists.

Take a step back for a moment and imagine what it would take for you to kill your own daughter. Imagine strangling her with your bare hands or a rope...maybe stabbing her with a knife. Imagine her pleading for her life while you callously continue to squeeze (or slash) the life out of her. And you feel compelled and justified in doing this because, after all, she was seen in the company of a male who was not her relative.

Now imagine you live in a society that not only condones - but even demands that you do such a thing. The laws don't only forgive that kind of behavior...they demand it.

That's what we're up against here.

Trying to portray any part of Western Society (even the small sub-culture of Utah's fundamentalist Mormons) as being even in the same solar system as these Arab societies makes you one sick puppy indeed.

And all this because your hatred for people who think that there is such a thing as "right" and "wrong" is so all-consuming...what a waste.

I see the usual trolls suffering from Leftist Mental Disorder are here trying to feed.

Don't laugh. Halloween is only days away. Now you know why they call it a "booooourka." Depending of course "witch" language you prefer. As for Luara, she looks rather "candied. Or is that candid? Have a Happy Halloween.

Saudi Arabian women are learning leadership skills in traditionally male-dominated fields at a new, innovative small women's college in Jidda, Saudi Arabia, according to a recent Library talk on the status of women in private higher education in Saudi Arabia.

On July 28, Asma A. Siddiki, the vice dean for student affairs at Effat College, in Jidda, gave an overview of higher education in Saudi Arabia (more than 200,000 students, of whom more than half are women, attend eight major universities and numerous other institutions of higher learning) and then focused her remarks on a new approach to education at her own Effat College.
...
The number of students at Effat is small, with no more than 1,000 undergraduate women, but the focus is on developing leadership skills in traditionally male-dominated fields, such as architecture, electrical engineering, computer engineering, computer science and business administration, Siddiki said.

Effat College has developed partnerships with a number of American institutions, such as Duke University, with which it is collaborating to create the first undergraduate degree program in engineering for women in Saudi Arabia. Effat has an agreement with Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business to develop its business administration program. The college also signed an agreement with LaSalle College in Montreal, Canada, in the spring of 2005 to open a fashion design academy for women in Saudi Arabia.

www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0610/saudi.html

Labor Ministry Launches Huge Initiative to Employ as Many as 200,000 Women
Maha Akeel, Arab News

JEDDAH, 27 January 2005 — In a move meant to get as many as 200,000 women into the Kingdom’s labor force, the Ministry of Labor is launching an ambitious registration and employment campaign during the next six months.

www.saudi-us-relations.org/newsletter2005/saudi-relations-interest-01-27.html

A program that gives Saudi women a SWIFT start in technology

In 2006, Hashmi coordinated a partnership for the women's campus with Women in Technology (WIT), which is funded by the Middle East Partnership Initiative of the U.S. Department of State and managed by the Institute of International Education, to teach Saudi women basic computing skills. WIT's goal is to empower women by teaching them basic computing and IT skills at a low cost. WIT receives support from Microsoft Unlimited Potential curriculum and instructor training and also has partners in Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/swift-hashmi-0502.html

This photograph is very telling. Civilization on the left, the dark ages on the right.

I wonder who will win....

Well said, Bryceman, you saved me the trouble.

So, Andrew, you cherry picked two innane and laughable Saudi PR blurbs that are meaningless in the vast repressive existence of Muslim women, Saudi women especially, what's you point?

I don't care what extended degree choices a young Saudi woman can choose from, she still can't drive a car, show her face in public, pick a husband of her choice or escape polygamy or beatings, the basic human rights stuff.

You're right penny. The fact that more university students in Saudi Arabia are female than male is meaningless and detracts from the conversation. I apologize for doing research and sharing my results without inflammatory commentary.

"I don't care what extended degree choices a young Saudi woman can choose from"

For every woman in the pen in Canada there are 49 men; I'll start giving a crap about Saudi women when that number gets adjusted, OK? Until then I'll post some factually accurate data.

It is truly amazing watching the liberal left (Andrew) support one of the most oppressive regimes in the world. I bet he's a teacher...

Until the Muslims of Saudia Arabia truly recognize Females equal to males there will be no progress on this front in the world.

Read "Inside the Kingdom" by Carmen bin Laaden. She was married to one of Osama's brothers who she met at Berkeley University. She had 2 daughters and moved to Saudia Arabia with her husband.

While in the Kingdom she wanted her daughters to receive an education and essentially was questioned why she would want such a frivolous thing for her daughters because they were girls. After insisting with her husband she was sucessful in getting them admitterd to an all girls school.

After a few weeks she started looking at the girls school books and in them there were hate statements against the Jews written in their scribblers. When she questioned the girls , they couldn't tell their mom what a Jew was. They were just told to write this down as practice in their scribblers by the Imam.

She finally got her girls out of Saudia Arabia because she needed permission from a male (a 10 year old male cousin as her husband was out of the country on business) and I believe is now divorced and living in Switzerland.

A very interesting read. All left leaning people (Taliban Jack) should read this book and then ask them if they still support this way of life.

Andrew, unless your innane facts are to support the Saudi macho regime whose victim pictured in the funeral fabric sack, again, what's your point?

Stalin exported grain as millions of peasants died from politically structured famines simultaneously in areas of Russia. That context makes the positive communist agriculture stats irrelevant. Context is helpful in choosing which facts are relevant.

Think you can hold to that thought before you data mine and post more stupid stuff.

It never ceases to amaze me how arrogant righties really are.

There's only been one person in all of humankind with all the knowledge of the world (no its not who you're thinking), yet they seem to possess it.

I don't know how your big heads ever fit through a normal sized door opening.

Who would that be ROn? Pierre Elliot Trudeau?

Now go eat dirt.

Liberal Ron,

Is liberal just a euphemism for retard with you?

Do you know the difference between laws that oppress and people who break the laws that protect from oppression?

Are you really that stupid?

Bigamy and forced marriages are ILLEGAL. The oppression of women in Saudi Arabia is State mandated. There are religious police that will beat and/or arrest any women who steps out of line.

Maybe I'm a little slow but who is the one person?

There's only been one person in all of humankind with all the knowledge of the world...

Come on, Ron, cough up the name, why don't ya. Keeping us all in suspense is cruel.

"Maybe I'm a little slow but who is the one person?"

I'm pretty sure he's talking about me. I asked him not to, but he's worships me like a dog.

So I'm pretty sure it's not 'God'. Trudeau is a good possibility as is Tony Blair. If it is you,Dean,then maybe you can help us out here???

Israpundit links to a very disturbing video on Islamic oppression of women produced by the David Horowitz Freedom Center and narrated by Mohammedan apostate Nonie Darwish:

http://link3.streamhoster.com/?u=seanruiz&p=%2FNational_Events%2F07-1022_IFAW%2F07-1023_VOOW_videol.wmv&odaid=3637

Heed the warning -- it is NOT for children.

Bryceman nailed it with respect to the liberal moral equivalence non sequitur.

As for the pic, it speaks a thousand words, doesn't it?-- and none more resounding than the message of freedom over oppression.

Here is Laura Bush, the beautiful, dignified, strong, proud, honourable, radiant individual. In that picture she represents all the things we desire and endorse in Western women.

She is juxtaposed with what we believe are four women whose identities are shrouded, their beauty covered, their strength and radiance purposely muted.

The former celebrates the value of women, while the other puts it under a black drape.

I'll take Western culture any day for the girls and ladies near and dear to me.

Ron: Are you a teacher as well?

Is there more than one Andrew who posts here? Sometimes his posts seem normal and he makes good points the next time whomever posts as Andrew seems to be a blithering idiot, anger, off topic,makes no sense, cherry picking obtuse links. Very strange.

"I don't know how your big heads ever fit through a normal sized door opening."

How do you know when a moonbat Liberal is on the run?

Listen Liberal Ron,

Until you realize that feelings are inferior to rational thought, you'll continue to be an intellectual loser and you'll continue to hurl invective and ad hominem to cover your cowardly retreat.

Do you actually enjoy proclaiming to all that you're an idiot?

To support institutionalized Islamic barbarity and cruelty towards women (first mistake) by comparing it to a small cult group in Utah, which you've somehow (in your own pea-brained mind anyhow) equated with all western culture and thereby have deduced cultural equivalence - that we aren't any better - is retarded.

As far as what Andrew is attempting to point out - how quickly he forgets the school girls who burned to death in their padlocked school, murdered by the Saudi religious police. All for the crime of not wearing their burkas.

Charles MacDonald, a video that should be shown in every place it can be to make people, especially our liberal followers, really aware of the danger and brutality of islam. Would have been even better without the background noise drowning out the narrators voice. Truly, truly frightening stuff. How can any real man not be angered by the treatment of women by these thugs.

The BBC spoke to eight young Saudi women, aged between 17 and 27, who attend a private college in Jeddah. The women have revealed snapshots of their lives and spoke of their aspirations for the future in a country which has long constrained their freedom.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4397615.stm

I challenge you to find eight Canadian young women who sound as mature and intelligent as these.

A solution Liberal Ron would agree with:

A Simple Way to End the War on Terror
by Yacka Jah Yacka (Daily Kos)

Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:03:20 PM PDT

While it appears from more than one point of view that the War in Iraq and the War on Terror are situations from which we may never be able to extricate ourselves, from the mountains of Pakistan comes a very simple solution: convert to Islam.

Before we reject this out of hand, lets seriously consider it for a moment: Osama Bin Laden promised the wars would be over if Americans convert to Islam.

This may sound like a lot to ask from the most religious country in the industrialized world. But of all the Christians in America today who profess to be religious, how many of us are seriously devout?

Yacka Jah Yacka's diary :: ::
How many of us are really just religious lightweights, happy to simply go to church every Sunday, attend church socials, knock back a drink or two every Christmas and not worry ourselves about the deeper implications of our faith?

Given the way most of us pay any real attention to the tenets of our faith, life really wouldn’t be that different if we were to exchange one faith for another. The prayers would be different, but we would recite them just as mindlessly as we do today. The sermons would in all likelihood be exactly the same, and we’d continue to snore through them.

Sure, there are a few people here and there who take religion seriously, but they are in such a small minority that their protests can be easily ignored.

All in all, converting to Islam would be a small price to pay for an end to the killing and maiming of our sons and daughters, not to mention the billions of dollars we could put to better use than fighting this perpetual war.

So let’s do away with our religious pretences, adopt Islam as our new faith, add a few extra holidays to our calendar, and get down to the real business at hand: pumping oil.

Andrew: If we can't find 'eight Canadian young women who sound as mature and intelligent as these.'
It is because of the leftist education system.
BTW Andrew they can be as intelligent and mature as possible - their still oppressed.

David Hand, I couldn't agree more.

Imagine breaking wind under one of those! I hope that don't serve chili beans in Iraq!

Hi guys,

I have to agree with Ron and Andrew on this one. Women do not deserve the right to appear in public unescorted. They also should not be allowed to drive... you know what they say about woman drivers? and foreign drivers? Imagine foreign women driving?

As for the Saudi secret police burning school girls, maybe they deserved it. I mean, they know what is expected of them in society, and if they do not follow the rules...

I'm just joking, as always you both disappoint me.

//Flame on

Speaking of veils, the Tories have introduced a bill that would require everyone (including Muslim women) to show their faces while voting.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/10/26/veils-legislation.html

The follow-through on the Throne Speech begins...

you would have to be insane or scared sh-tless to wear one of those bags.

some ideas are just better than others - for instance wearing a big black sack is a bad idea

sorry if that offends the multi-culti types.

oh, apparently today was "national hijab day" - or as Charles at LGF says "oppress yourself day".

can't wait for "national big black sack day" - it might be kind of amusing for a bit to watch them walking into walls, etc.

Convert to Islam, great idea. That would give some pimps alternative ways to dicipline their ho*s. B**tch better have my money, or I'll stone you B**tch.

This idea of converting to Islam for world peace is ridiculous. It's not the fact that people are Muslim that drags us into war, it's the criminal acts that Muslims are committing that causes this clash of civilizations.

I'm agnostic so I have no bias here. Religion has nothing to do with this war, and if it did there is no evidence that Islam would keep their word. It seems to me that Muslims like to kill each other more that they like to kill us.

This war is about one thing and one thing only "womens rights". Radical Muslim men can't stand the thought of an equal woman who has choices,after all she might leave him for a man with a bigger penis.("big American penises" see South Park Chinpokemon episode)

As the Soviets found out it's impossible to censer news coming from the outside world today. That means that propaganda from the government is ineffective because the truth is available to those who will look for it. Soviets in the 80's and Muslim women today could and can see for themselves the benifits of freedom; and like any sane person they want it.

"This war is about one thing and one thing only "womens rights"

LOL. Maybe if you throw your purse hard enough your radical gay feminist agenda dream will come true! Goooooo Gloria Steinem!

Charles MacDonald, thank you for the link for the Horowitz/Darwish video.

Pretty powerful stuff - I wanted to weep for what goes on in this world but what the feminists of the West turn a blind eye to.

I emailed it to my 20 year old daughter and asked her to pass it on to her friends.

It should be required viewing for everyone (male & female) over 18 years of age.

I've known more than a few western females who have gone over to Saudi to do contract work in the medical field. Their photo albums as interesting to say the least. Any picture that shows more than eyeballs or has bare ankles comes from their trips out of country or from within the western compound. Trust me when I say that most females that are in university are only there because a male in the family has agreed to "let her get this foolishness out of her system".

Look on the bright side - there may be a very ugly woman beneath that burka, and she in turn is doing everyone a favour. You know what they say about the 'double bagger', well, she's 'black burkad'.

Seriously, it's all about the dominance of men over women; some Muslim men feel the need to control their women and use their religion to enforce it. Unfortunately, alot of these women wearing burkas believe it is what their God wants. One not only has to change the way the Muslim men think, but the way the Muslim women think too - well, at least a whole lot of them.

Lots of information on Saudi women on the internet. Very interesting. Even Amnesty Intl. concedes that Saudi women hold 40% of the private wealth. I'll save the rest for another thread.

I sure am thankful for the internet and that I don't depend on the mainstream media and hypertorqued blogs as the basis of my analysis.

Related: Jonah Goldberg gets pwned:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTA3YWFiZjNmOTFjY2RhOGE5M2VjOTlkYTI3MjczODU=

Well Ron and Andrew could either of you give a comment on your mother or sister having to wear the burqa?Would you be okay with that?I think the Lil'Kim burqa style works for me but of course I'm just one of those knuckle dragging right wingers who loves seeing women half nekkid.

Yeah, Ron. In fact, here in Delisle, we held three subtle stonings last month alone.
Posted by: Kate at October 26, 2007 9:52 AM

Kate, those weren't "subtle stonings", they were pebblings.

Kate: "Yeah, Ron. In fact, here in Delisle, we held three subtle stonings last month alone."

I lol'd.

"...hypertorqued blogs as the basis of my analysis" - andrew

" my analysis"

Horror of horrors. I think this creature is going to attempt to start his own blog next.

"I really think you liberals should donate your brains to science. I would really like to know if your minds are defective from birth or if it's an acquired problem."

ROFL bryceman! Best quote of the thread.

Regrettably, with respect to the capacity of many of the liberal posters we've seen on SDA, there'd be precious little grey matter to analyze.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Laura Bush does well to smile at a figure in a black robe. I see the black robe is wearing a pink ribbon at least. It's like the song of the sixties went, you can't do the bop in the sack, you can't tell the front from the back

Why would anyone with a thought process beyond that of a gnat bother to engage in argument over the oppression of women?

Who is that under that sheet URSULA,THE EVIL QUEEN,MAD MADAME MIM or MILIFECENT

Caption:

The Future of Womanhood: Before and After

Well Liberal Ron, I guess I should not be depending on you to get between me and the next Muslim facist who wants to make me wear a burka and pray to some idol called mohammed. All I can say is thank God that there are still some real men left in Canada and the US who are willing to defend our western religions cultures and values. I know I would not be able to breath in one of those black shrouds. My pour oxygen deprived brain would start to think that the likes of you Liberals should be in charge. Yech.

Yeah, good link to support your argument Andrew...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4397615.stm

"Then my relationship with my father. We are like best friends and we share so much together. I love it when he treats me like a boy, it makes me feel equal and fair."

She only feels equal and fair when being treated like a boy? That's about as far as women's lib has gotten over there. And it's not being helped by morons like Andrew tossing unreasonable, ridiculous cultural equivalence arguments all over the place and pretending that either nothing is wrong over there or that we're just as bad. And really, who could possibly be worse than us, right Andrew? I mean, we're all as bad as the individual examples you could pull endlessly from Google. Right?

"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
- William Blake

"It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious."
- Oscar Wilde