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October 15, 2007

A Motivated Campaign

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Update: The mention of payment for "volunteer" door knocking has quietly disappeared. Oddly enough!


Posted by Kate at October 15, 2007 1:43 PM
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Whats a benifit?

Posted by: Spell at October 15, 2007 1:56 PM

Is this the same David Froh who is Chief of Staff to the Minister of Advanced Education and EMPLOYMENT ???

http://gtds.gov.sk.ca/gtds.cgi?show=Branch&organizationCode=GOV&organizationalUnitCode=AEEMO#OUFOCUS

Posted by: jenna at October 15, 2007 2:08 PM

I think is the same thing has a bien fait or a bon spiel , a good time?

Posted by: cal2 at October 15, 2007 2:09 PM

Expect this to be used by the NDP as evidence that they help the economy by creating jobs.

Posted by: bryceman at October 15, 2007 2:10 PM

The key is whether they will include this as an election expense or try to keep it off the books.

Posted by: Colin at October 15, 2007 2:11 PM

Given the fact that most people are going to slam the door in your face, that's not a lot of money. There's a joke in rural Saskatchewan that goes like this. "What's the difference between an NDP candidate and a Ford pickup? (Anw.) You can close the door on a Ford!

Posted by: Johnny Jesus at October 15, 2007 2:23 PM

Isn't being paid hourly wage and voluteering an oxymoron?

Posted by: penny at October 15, 2007 2:52 PM

I guess maybe that's why Saskatchewan has the highest rate of "volunteerism" in Canada...all those civil servants are VOLUNTEERS!

Posted by: NewDad at October 15, 2007 3:03 PM

What's this? NDP short of supporters and volunteers?

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at October 15, 2007 3:09 PM

What spendthrifts they are. Don’t they know about utube?
Maybe as with the Libranos, their “volunteers” expect a little gratitude in the form of gratuities.

Posted by: Cal at October 15, 2007 3:27 PM

I would of thought that the NDP would only use union canvassers. These scab volunteers have got to go. Imagine working for less than all the other socialists in the province.

Posted by: Ken in AB at October 15, 2007 3:28 PM

If one of these $10 per hour door knockers knocks on my door I'll offer them another $5.00 hour to rake leaves and clean my yard. Oh what a feeling that would be having the Dippers give instead of take.

Posted by: Norm at October 15, 2007 3:30 PM

$10 ? Cheap SOB's.

Posted by: Eric-Vancouver at October 15, 2007 3:31 PM

They need knockers? Not sure why that would be, seeing as they're already a bunch of boobs ...

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at October 15, 2007 3:36 PM

Well, the offer of $10 has been rescinded :D

Posted by: Lloyd at October 15, 2007 3:45 PM

Kate: Do you have a time stamp on this notice because the notice on Facebook has now deleted the "We pay $10 per hour"
I guess Mr. Froh's is a typical dipper...offers pie in the sky but never comes through.

Posted by: Lyta Galenzoski at October 15, 2007 3:47 PM

Just curious, are you on your own when said door-knocking takes place? Too bad I live in AB, for spare-time-beer-money I could go from door to door telling all who would listen not to vote for the parasitic socialists.

Does it get any better?

Posted by: The Hammer of Thor at October 15, 2007 3:58 PM

Wonder how much the union dues are?

Posted by: mrtisaduffer at October 15, 2007 4:11 PM

It would appear that the benifits of the "boom" haven't yet been felt within the edumacashun system.

Posted by: Brad in Waterrloo at October 15, 2007 4:30 PM

Just spoke with David froh and he confirmed with me that the NDP party of Sask is paying people to door knock for them at a rate of $10.00/hour. just fill in a time card every night and get paid every two weeks. Also your $10.00 per hour would have canada pension deductions and all that other good stuff in deductions. "The NDP is paying Volunteers".......hmmmmmmm only in a socialist world could that make sense. Every time I volunteer for things I assume quite confidently that I will NOT BE remunerated.

Posted by: Mike at October 15, 2007 4:32 PM

Just fill in your time card eh? Well then, Mike, can I order a few to be sent out to Waterloo? I may as well do some canvassing for them over here! ;0)

Posted by: Brad in Waterrloo at October 15, 2007 4:34 PM

Good one Matt!

Posted by: Texas Canuck at October 15, 2007 4:50 PM

For many of them, it is an old NDP trick: the dippers "pay" their volunteers, and many of the "volunteers" "donate" the money back to the NDP party.
It is legal enough, and the dippers have been doing it for years.

Posted by: Bushman at October 15, 2007 5:09 PM

The screen shot was taken just a few minutes prior to posting, so that's the time stamp.

Posted by: Kate at October 15, 2007 5:17 PM


Come on - $10 per hour. Why aren't most of you lining up to take the jobs? That's more than most of you make.

Posted by: BT_iq<90 at October 15, 2007 5:57 PM

I say you folks in Sask sign up. After all, all you got to do is knock on doors for the NDP.

It doesn't say you actually have to SAY nice things about the NDP!

Posted by: langmann at October 15, 2007 6:43 PM

The dippers are very good at campaigning.

There will be hordes of students and unemployables on the streets.... if your election teams think they have time to get ready ... think again!

So all you conservative type supporters better get off you asses and down to your local constituent's office and do some volunteering yourself..... otherwise be prepared to endure another 4 years of socialist abuses.

Posted by: OMMAG at October 15, 2007 6:44 PM

You're right, OMMAG. I have been to my local Sask Party canidates office and donated time and money already.

Posted by: Trent at October 15, 2007 7:17 PM

They did the same thing in the last two federal elections. Look how well that worked for them.

Posted by: Craig at October 15, 2007 7:53 PM

So this is why NDP signs are no where to be found. Where is Larry Hubick when they need him? Maybe the Sask Party could lend a few of their volunteers?

Posted by: Steve at October 15, 2007 8:08 PM

ok4ua is already volunteering his time, what with his early retirement and the free prescriptions he can give and give to the lefty cause

Posted by: dj at October 15, 2007 8:12 PM

You guys are spinning it a bit. It doesn't say its looking to pay volunteers $10 an hour.

It says something to the effect of..

We need door knockers, here are the hours, here is the pay...

then it goes on to say:

"There are ALSO a number of ways you can get involved and volunteer".

I would take that to mean that they are saying there are non paid positions in addition to paid ones.

If you wanted it to read that they are paying volunteers, the second half would probably say, "There are also OTHER ways you can volunteer", but it doesn't because its talking about paid positions separately.

If I could vote in this election I'd be undecided/leaning to a change...but I still think this post and everyone who's laughing at the assertion is grasping for straws.

Beyond that, does anyone know for a fact that the Sask party isn't providing renumeration to people carrying out campaigning tasks on their behalf? I would be really surprised if they weren't.

Posted by: steve at October 15, 2007 8:31 PM

with regards to ok4ua- door knocking doesnt work on the reserve. you have to drive them to the polls after about 11 in the morning.

Posted by: cal2 at October 15, 2007 9:28 PM

Actually, I don;t know whether its legal or not: but I do know that the dippers do it, and have for years.

Posted by: Bushman at October 15, 2007 9:46 PM

Years ago a dipper acquaintance of mine explained how it worked - the worker donates his earnings to the party, just as was guessed at above. But the real mischief begins when the worker gets a tax receipt for his donation, and is able to reduce his income tax. So in the end, the Federal Government (AKA you and I) get to pay for the NDP election effort. How nice.

Posted by: kakola at October 15, 2007 11:44 PM

OK, I have an assignment for someone. I want somebody who has some time on their hands to get one of these $10 an hour "volunteer" jobs (especially if you can be out in the public). For the first day, listen and do everything right and toe the party line.

Then on day two have a change of heart. Wear and display as much Sask Party stuff as you can. Tell everyone you want to vote Sask Party (or Liberal, it works either way). Then if they dare to say that you can't work there, tell them it is is illegal to fire someone based on their political beliefs, and if they violate your rights, you will sue them.

I will pay for the video tape.

Posted by: Early Paul Results at October 15, 2007 11:55 PM

All parties pay for people to door knock, both federally and provincially... nice spin, nice non-story, nice straw grasping.

Posted by: Sean S. at October 16, 2007 12:32 AM

The NDP..........

Can't even spell "BENEFITS"

Posted by: notasocialist at October 16, 2007 12:46 AM

The NDP..........

Can't even spell "BENEFITS"

By the Way..........isn't $10/hr low for Union Rate?????

Posted by: notasocialist at October 16, 2007 12:47 AM

The socialist czar announced today a 30% reduction in education taxes. The catch is it won't start until 2010. The premier must think we are all stupid. By 2010 all our houses will have gone through reassessment and taxes will most likely double( according to real estate values at the present). This premier has given 3 increases to welfare rates and at the same time has not bothered to lessen my tax burden. What a nice guy. LORNE CALVERT YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH WHAT TAX PAYERS WANT.

Posted by: dj at October 16, 2007 1:24 AM

I sent this to the NDP add wanting door nockers.

When romanow was first running a friend of mine was giving his time to the NDP in Regina. he was then employed by the NDP at 10 dollars per hour to sell memberships. that was 16 years ago. with the price today of things and your offer I can only say one thing, YOU CHEAP A SS F-CKERS.

One piece of advice, start sending out resumes. hahahahaha

Posted by: dj at October 16, 2007 1:35 AM

Not all parties pay for door knocking.

I have worked on some Liberal campaigns before and never received a dime for my time. In fact I donated money as well.

If you believe in the party message, why would you money to help? It only takes away from the advertising, sign buying and polling that would be a better use for that money.

Posted by: Heric at October 16, 2007 1:47 AM

I agree with Heric on the value of paying for campaign 'volunteers'.
The money is better spent on good advertising ..... but that does not take away from the fact that the ability to get 100's of door knockers into the ridings is important.

Two things derive from the walking and knocking:
1- Face time with constituents, which is critical to the candidate!
2- Up to date data on how households are leaning, identifying support and the opportunity to build on it!

Posted by: OMMAG at October 16, 2007 9:48 AM

Sean S. is wrong: all parties do not do this; but the NDP definitely does. And while it may or may not be legal, it certainly is sleazy.

Posted by: Bushman at October 16, 2007 10:07 AM

Don't knock the Saskatchewan NDP! They have been a huge benefit to Alberta. Go NDP!!

Posted by: Albertan at October 16, 2007 12:23 PM

Erm...where does it say that volunteers are paid? I see an ad that says canvassers are being hired by a political campaign. All political campaigns are allowed to hire whatever staff they like so of course it'll be included as an election expense. Even the Sask Party pays staff I'm sure...probably not to the extent of the wasteful NDP but I'm not sure where the conflict is.

The mention that volunteers are also accepted for the campaign seems to be in addition to the offer of paid positions.

You know, Kate gets pissed about the stupidest things sometimes. A bunch of private money is donated to a political party. The political party pays some staff...during an election, they pay a bunch more staff and they ask those paid staffers to go canvassing for the party. What Kate should really be pissed about is that when the election is over, the major parties will be reimbursed half of their election expenses for...what reason...who knows.

Cheers

Posted by: Ethan Erkiletian at October 16, 2007 1:06 PM

Ethan, should we be pissed about this scam: where they pay poeple wiht the expectation that the money will be donated back: this creates an illusary expense, which gives the NDP more of a refund. It's sleazy, and the NDP do it and have been practising this for years.

Posted by: Bushman at October 17, 2007 9:50 AM

Is the expectation that the money is donated back? If so, many parties do that...in fact, many non-profit groups in general do that. The tax structures that exist specially for political groups and non-profit charities or other organizations are such that "recycling" money is a common and well acknowledged tool used to spread minimal resources as much as possible.

I'm not scape goating...I'm just saying that getting pissed about this is a non-issue, especially when presented in this context. Why not get angry about something truly meaningful when it comes to money and political campaigns. I can't fathom why it is that the parties will be getting half of their money back at all...makes no sense.

Posted by: Ethan Erkiletian at October 17, 2007 4:10 PM

Is the expectation that the money is donated back? If so, many parties do that...in fact, many non-profit groups in general do that. The tax structures that exist specially for political groups and non-profit charities or other organizations are such that "recycling" money is a common and well acknowledged tool used to spread minimal resources as much as possible and I don't think any party can say that they don't do this.

I'm not scape goating...I'm just saying that getting pissed about this is a non-issue, especially when presented in this context. Why not get angry about something truly meaningful when it comes to money and political campaigns. I can't fathom why it is that the parties will be getting half of their money back at all...makes no sense. If Kate wanted to moan about this, why not moan about the real problem which results in this kind of stuff which is the financial rules that govern political parties in our province.

Posted by: Ethan Erkiletian at October 17, 2007 4:44 PM

oops...technology is sometimes beyond me. Apologies for the double post.

Posted by: Ethan Erkiletian at October 17, 2007 4:45 PM

Ethan: there is no expectation that the money be given back to the party. And why would there be? These are paid canvassers, doing a job just like anyone else.

I too have worked for political parties and non-profits, and I sometimes have recycled money because I believe in the cause I'm working for. Isn't that why people donate their money and their time?

Believe me, you clowns, there are Sask Party members doing this same thing right now. You right-wingers are so hilariously desperate for a win you're clutching at anything to get it. And when we see prominent Saskatchewan Conservative bloggers telling the Sask Party to eff-off, well, that just shows what kind of support they can expect from the rank and file.

Maybe that's where the exasperation is coming from.

Posted by: Wolfman Brad at October 18, 2007 4:06 AM

Ethan: there is no expectation that the money be given back to the party. And why would there be? These are paid canvassers, doing a job just like anyone else.

I too have worked for political parties and non-profits, and I sometimes have recycled money because I believe in the cause I'm working for. Isn't that why people donate their money and their time?

Believe me, you clowns, there are Sask Party members doing this same thing right now. You right-wingers are so hilariously desperate for a win you're clutching at anything to get it. And when we see prominent Saskatchewan Conservative bloggers telling the Sask Party to eff-off, well, that just shows what kind of support they can expect from the rank and file.

Maybe that's where the exasperation is coming from.

Posted by: Wolfman Brad at October 18, 2007 4:06 AM
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