I suspect most fans of SDA also have 'Publius's' website bookmarked, but just in case:
An essay on Randy Hiller, a small c conservative, running near Kingston.
http://godscopybook.blogs.com/gpb/2007/10/not-your-john-1.html

Rants? Great, I'll just leave this complaint that MMP didn't pass. (And this is before seeing the official results of the referendum.)

The last month has just been a complete waste, that's my rant. It's always baffling to me how a province of 12 million people can be, collectively, a bunch of weak-kneed pansies.

that's easy trev, some moron advising John Tory decided that they'd get more votes if they started making all kinds of stupid promises to try and get extra votes. The result? Traditionally conservative minded voters like myself decided to stay home. Mike Harris won back to back elections handily because he made decidedly conservative promises, and he kept his promises. And despite all the cries from the radical lefties about how mean and evil he was, he still won. New funding for all faith-based schools? Stupid idea, something I'd expect from the NDP.

I'm too discouraged to rant.

The ELB's, will get exactly what they deserve, another idiot.

Ontario voters remind me of the planet described by Dougals Adams in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. They only elect lizards as their leaders because it never occurred to them to pick anyone else. In the same way, people here seem to prefer the guy who lies, breaks his promises, flushes money down the toilet etc. All because doing what 5 other provinces do is just too darn alien to them. Heck, the Edmonton Public School Board has brought nearly every faith-based school into the public school system.

You know, as a B.C. resident I've been fascinated at what Ontario and Toronto elects for public leadership.

Dalton McGuinty and David Miller are two pathetic, lying, limp-wristed, moronic, stereotypical politicians. That much is easy to determine from the smattering of news we get out here.

You get what you deserve if you elect them, frankly, just like we got what we deserved for electing the NDP those years ago.

I know there is a joke in here about Leaf fans....

I posted this comment on Jack's News Watch, here it is again:

I couldn’t believe the number of people at our little rural polling station who had the following:

1. no card at all, and had to register to get on the list.

2. more then one card in the same name.

3. a card but not on the list.

In our family of 5, my son had a card but was not on the list. One of my daughters had a card and was on the list, but her card was addressed to a different town 20 minutes away (she got it eventually). My wife and I and my other daughter had NO CARD and were NOT ON THE LIST.

We’ve lived here since 1990 and been on every list up to now.

The retired farmer from across the road came in with his wife as we were leaving: he’s been here since 1955.. no card, and not on the list.

What the hell is going on?!

I had a call last week from one of our local candidates, they said they just wanted to confirm our names for their lists, so they could count on our support (i.e. help get out the vote). And their list was screwed up as well. The nice volunteer I talked to said she’d never seen it this bad!

I suggested to the polling clerk that the gun registry people must have been put in charge of keeping this list…

For the record, I voted Progressive Conservative with honour and enthusiasm, and voted against MMP.

You lie your sad, sorry ass off. You get rewarded. Nice feckin' morals for my kids to be guided by.
Bugger it. Thank God I've got a fridge full of beer and my wife has control of the remote...it's "Bionic Woman" night...

I am a London, Ontario resident hoping for the Liberals to spank the PCs. If the PC party is going to be imperceptibly different from the Liberals, then they deserve failure. If I have 2 liberal parties to choose from, I am not going to help choose which one wins. My vote goes to Freedom party. The only thing that got me to the polls was to stop the absurd MMP proposal.

I'm a unionized teacher and black disabled single mother who really wants to vote for Dalton McGuinty and the Liberals, but am somewhat put off by his dishonesty and regressive tax hikes. So I voted for John Tory and the PCs.

/RIGHT!
//AS IF!!

John Tory will lose this election for two reasons:

1. As noted above, he took idiotic advice on private school funding, and allowed the liberals to turn this into a 1-issue election. Where were his snarls of "hypocrisy", as mcguinty & co. were harping for the SAME thing, when Eves was Premier?

2. As stated by many a conservative pundit, conservatives WIN when they champion conservative ideas. Had Tory focused on wasteful government spending, mcguinty's huge expensive tax lie, improved services and tax reductions, he could be practicing his acceptance speech right now. By pandering to the Brampton/Mississauga vote, he's lost it, big time.

When will conservatives learn that when they waffle and slide towards the left, they don't really attract any of those left-of-center voters, and simply p*ss off their base?

Stephen Harper, be warned.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

This election was lost by Tory much more than it was won by McGuinty. With a record like this premier has, it should have been a cakewalk for the PC.

Thank you very much John Tory for four more years of McGuinty, for more lies and broken promises.

Only in Ontario can a Liberal leader say he's in favour of faith-based schools, and then win a majority running against it.

For as much of a non-Conservative as Mr. Tory is, let's agree on one thing, this is a good, decent man who made the one mistake one should never do with people of Ontario. Give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm a Red Tory who thinks John Tory isn't conservative enough, so I voted Liberal. This is a plausible comment, and I am a plausible person.

I live in BC. Could some Ontario voter please explain to me how it seemed that no one wanted to support faith based schools, yet it's OK to support Catholic schools? What the heck is a Catholic school if it's not faith based? Or is Dalton going to get rid of all Catholic schools to please the voters? I love it -- Ontario voters are so stupid!

The problem with elections is that a politician always wins.

I'm a 41 year old man from Ontario whose wife, brainwashed teenage children, and affirmative action-hire boss would kill him if he voted PC, help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

John Manley was just on the CBC and implied that he might be interested in making a comeback. Must be comforting for Dion.

I'm a poor person who voted Liberal because I support McGuinty's decision to raise taxes on people making between $20,000 and $30,000 a year.

Card or no card everyone should have voted. The only number I want to see is the over 70% percent voter turnout. Not voting is the equivalent to spitting on the freshly filled grave of the last soldier that arrived back from Afganhistan in a box. A disgraceful act not voting.

I did not have a card last election but I signed up then and voted. Got my card this year and again made sure I voted. AND I obtained my citizenship just before the last election.

So while the sting of this election will be in the air tomorrow find those who did not vote or were not registered and lay it on heavy so they feel guilty and or register to vote in the next election. In the words of Forrest Gump..."And that is all I have to say about that."

Hah! Laurel Broten's been re-elected in Etobicoke. Will continue to provide some entertainment.

Yep, I'm in Ontario, Shirley. And we all know that Catholic schools are faith based, thanks. Fact of the matter is, this was not about faith-based schools. That was just the window dressing. McGuinty succeeded in reframing it as a private/public system debate and of course the teacher's federation got on board and started spending money supporting the public system and that was that.

For the record, the one party supporting a true "one system for all" public system was the Green Party. But nobody takes them seriously so we ignored the like we always do.

I would vote for the last cow off a dead-stock truck before I cast a ballot that would help Dalton - and to the best of my knowledge my local Liberal incumbent is actually a decent enough guy who tries to help his constituents.

I'm rather annoyed, to put it mildly - the PC candidate in my home riding (Kingston and the Islands) in which I had to vote by proxy in order to actually express my displeasure with the liar McGuinty, is in third place behind the Liberal incumbent and the NDP challenger. I want to throw up, that's how disgusted I am.

Alberta, here I come!

Is anyone surprised? Tory ran to the left and got burned. It looks like its time for the Finance Minister or Health Minister to jump back to provincial politics.

Exactly, Ryan. He followed his old boss Bill Davis's mistake of extending public funding to religious schools. It cost the Tories in '85, too.

Brad in Waterloo,

Bingo.

If I didn't think it would be a wasted vote, I would've voted Green. Looking at my riding's results, I could've afforded to.. oh well.

Four more years of Dalton and co. guarantees one thing - Ontario will be far worse off then than it is now. Thankfully, PR was soundly thrashed.

Starting to look like Kathleen Wynne's going to take Don Valley West. About a 300 vote spread.

I will never put my mark against anything red at the polling stations. I strongly believe that McGuinty was behind the news conference asking for funding for religious schools. I still voted for John Tory even though I think he was stupid for falling into such a stupid trap.

Another 4 years of McGuinty, what a nightmare. I just can't believe that the people in this province can't see through this liar.

I say good riddance to John Tory. Let's dump the perpetual loser and go with a real conservative. I didn't even consider voting for a party with this clown at its head; I voted Family Coalition.

I will never put my mark against anything red at the polling stations. I strongly believe that McGuinty was behind the news conference asking for funding for religious schools. I still voted for John Tory even though I think he was stupid for falling into such a stupid trap.

Another 4 years of McGuinty, what a nightmare. I just can't believe that the people in this province can't see through this liar.

Tory lost because he didn't know his opponent. Pinocchio was running for his life. He sold his soul to the teachers’ union (which pulled teachers from the classroom to work on his campaign) and anything short of a victory meant him loosing the leadership. He would stoop to anything to win.

Tory also didn’t learn from Mike Harris that the Ontario media is anti-non-Liberal. They clamped on to faith-based schooling and never let go so that other ideas could never be discussed.

God help Ontario. Watch for the Teachers’ Union to push for a one secular school system that they can control then hold on to your wallets when that happens.

Time for a new Conservative leader who understands politics.

Wynne's ahead by about 600 votes in Don Valley West now. Frank Klees for leader, maybe?

Oh, hell: David McGuinty's on TV. If you think his brother Dalton is a dreary twit, can I introduce you to....

John Tory lost his seat... yelp, see ya later!

To lose to Dalton McGuinty, good gracious.. if the PCs don't hear this wake-up call, they will be consigned to history.

The other winners here are Stephen Harper and the CPC. If the provincial tories had succeeded in getting re-elected there's no way skittish voters in Ontario would have given the CPC a mandate. They are scardy cats, hiding under their covers in their beds, in our neighbourhoods, in Canada, I'm not making this up.

Factor that in with the Liberal implosion, NS accord deal, Danny Williams getting elected and Lorne Calvert on his way out and there you have it. The makings of a CPC majority gov in Ottawa.

Cheers

Moving to Alberta is an option, but you can afford a house if you come down East. You folks should really consider a move to New Brunswick. You can stop laughing, really... you're the ones with McGuinty! AGAIN.

Glenn,

Nope. So long as the Bloc can pull 30 seats, not happening. Stronger minority for Harper, but no majority.

Tonight's result ought to make those thugs down in Douglas Estates tremble in their moccasins.

I am really just depressed.

The PCs are just liberals in sheeps clothing.

John Tory was a failure...officially...the same man behind Campbell...

Uh...Ontario deserves what it gets.

The PCs need a true conservative..............

The PC's may well choose a more conservative leader. It's the leftover Harris guys who are winning tonight. All of John Tory's guys- and Tory himself- are going down to defeat.

Tory must go if the Tories are going to remain viable. I am willing to bet that one of Harper's cabinet ministers from Ontario will challenge him. Personally as I stated above, I hope the Finance Minister or Health Minister makes the jump back to Queens Park. The Environment Minister would also make an interesting choice also.

I wonder what Chris Stockwell is up to these days...

Here comes Dalton: isn't it traditional for the loser to concede first?

GDW,

Like Liberals have tact. You know better then that.

Why is it that only Stephen Harper could figure out that the "P" needed to be removed from the "PC" party? The world has shown time and time again that conservatives lose when they run to the left. John Tory is as red a Tory as it gets - a decent man who deserved better from the media and the public, but an ideological milquetoast with no ideas to rally behind. He appeared to want to be McGuinty, but better. He never showed how wrong McGuinty was about everything, because he didn't disagree with him on any big issue.

Trev;

Heh; no kidding. And the crowd's chanting "Dal-ton...Dal-ton...." Just can't picture doing that with a straight face for any Dalton.

Trev,

if ON goes blue Quebec will as well. They know which side their bread is buttered on and are not about to miss out on the spending. Quebec can only continue as long as Ottawa (AB and ON) is paying for their Euro-socialist lifestyle. You can take that to the bank and the CPC is well aware of this situation as well.

My guess is we go to the polls the first week of December, about a month after Calvert is defeated.

Cheers

Dalton is bilingual as well. Federal aspirations, yes?

Re chrisRet's demand, "What the hell is going on?!" vis a vis the polling station he and his family went to, that was my feeling at my station.

The so-called personnel didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing. Because I had moved and had a registration card from my former address, I had to stand in line for ages to register and then was told I needed to give two photo IDs. I insisted that I needed only my drivers's license (my husband had shown only his driver's license earlier in the day), and the lady assisting me said, "Oh, isn't this your health card?" Well, no, it wasn't; it was my driver's license. Duh...

Good gawd. The longer I live in this province of Ontario, the more I think I'm living to see a bona fide Banana Republic north of the 49th parallel.

Another four years of Duh-lton McGuilty? Good Lord, deliver us.

But Glenn, ON will not go blue. Martin won 54 seats last year. As long as Ontario is as stupid as it is, this won't change. Tonight certainly hasn't given me reason to change this opinion.

My polling station was in the local public elementary school. Down the one hallway, I saw two environment displays, one "multicultural ABC's", one multicultural unity poster, and one picture from David Suzuki's visit to the school.

God help me as I try to deprogram my child nightly, when he starts school in two more years...

Ahhhh, as an Ontarian I'm ashamed of this province. The message it sends is lie, obfuscate, misdirect, steal and overtax and you will get a bigger majority then before....

Grrrr, I give up, I'm moving to Alberta....

John Tory lost his seat. Hopefully he'll go away, or at least join a party where he belongs.

Ryan, I agree. Tory failed to deliver. This should have been a slam dunk for the PCs.

Gotta hand it to Kinsella and McGuinty. They read the electorate and knew the faith based school plan was the hot button issue. Milk it they did and look at the results.

Time for a new PC leader.

So... which campaign promise is McGuinty going to renege on this time? The only way he could beat the no tax whopper of 2003 is to, well, extend public funding to religious schools. Remember Trudeau and wage and price controls in 1975? They're both Liberals.

Let's be fair. This was never a slam dunk for Mr. Tory. You have to REALLY screw up to not get a second term. Chretien got a second term, David Miller got a second term. That said, the majority shouldn't be this big for McGuinty.

Of course, the vacuousness of morality that is Ontario has struck again.

Anybody posting here from Ontario thinking things are better here in Alberta, had better realize that Eddy Stelmach is a RED TORY infatuated with how teachers vote. Big spending government, fat civil servant paychecks and public sector pensions are his claim to fame. His royalty raid is doing to Alberta what Trudeau did to this province in 1982. The goose gets slaughtered by the end of October and 1/3 of this provinces' taxpayers will be looking for work in Ontario, or anywhere else they can find a job. I pity all those Ontario plates driving around Calgary now, thinking this boom will last, because an Alberta government wouldn't ever DARE to kill that goose. Ever work for an oil company? I have. They don't screw around when they see their profit margin shrink in the general direction of government. NEP II is well and truly here and it was done by a "home boy". Recession here we come.

Tory just said that he's going to stick around. I would have bet that he'd turn in his resignation tonight, like Larry Grossman did in 1987.

I am worried about the threat of official bilingualism for Ontario. This could be just a rumor, but someone posted something on this about a week ago -- indicating that it was definitely on the table if the Liberals won. John Crosby presumably once said that "Honesty is not a good policy in politics", and I guess that's true. I feel like Ontario voters have delivered us (themselves) to the slaughter. I have absolutely no expectation that McGuinty will govern with integrity. I think that was obvious shortly after the last election and confirmed by his performance in this election. Yet Ontario voters failed to hold him to account. Shame on McGuinty. Shame on the Ontario electorate.

GDW;

We've found the provincial Joe Clark! Nice enough fellow, but piss poor political judgement.

That noise you hear in the background? The Reform Party re-organising....

Still relishing his blistering defeat, John Tory is promising to stick around and continue to "lead" the Ontario PC Party?

If that's the case, get ready for another 8 more years of Liberal do-nothing, deceitful and wasteful government.

We do not need Reform in Ontario. We need someone who is a blue tory to take over the party. Why cannot red toryism just die?

We've got a federal Joe Clark, too, playing political chicken with Harper while his own supporters are loading up the ammo and pointing it at his back. Who the hell asked for TWO Joe Clarks?

I will never ever cast a vote in favour of any liberal either provincially or federally.

However, I felt I had to hold my nose when I voted PC this morning. I just could not see John Tory as a leader, and up against a spineless wimp like McGuinty, that is saying something.

The Faith-based schooling was a terrible issue for Tory. First of all, it wasn't something that Ontarians were looking for. (I am in favour of Faith based schools, but not Tory's funding proposal) Why bring up an issue that most people were not interested in? And how did his advisors not realize that it could be controversial, and stir up all sorts of emotional polarization?

So, a non-starter issue, that had all sorts of negative spin became the main focus of the election campaign, and it worked in McGuinty's favor. (And McGuinty, with the support of the media played it well.) The whole thing took the heat of McGuinty on a number of key issues i.e., broken promises, taxes, health care, annoying insincere smile, leadership, Caledonia, Lying, etc. where many Ontarians are genuinely disappointed and even angry with McGuinty.

And now we are stuck with him. Four more years...and I still won't have a family doctor...yuck.

I respectfully think you need to read this clipping from Rescuing Canada's Right why you lost.

There is sure some interest in a new Reform Party out in Saskatchewan. It probably won't fly in Ontario again- it didn't really, last time either- but it could get some traction in the West.

Heh. The CBC didn't bother carrying all of Howard Hampton's One More Moral Victory speech. Even they can't be bothered.

When John Tory said tonight he would continue to "lead" his party, Warren Kinsella, punditing on Global, said he was "stunned."

What Kinsella probably meant was that he was "peeing his pants in glee."

After reading the comments, it seems as though Ontario voters are less sane than B.C and Saskatchewan voters combined...

MMP. While finding out what it was about, I found this:

"MMP has multi-partisan support from a variety of endorsers, including Liberal Party MP Carolyn Bennett, former NDP leader Ed Broadbent and Conservative Party Senator Hugh Segal"

That was enough to have me believe it is a stupid idea.

I doubt Tory's going to stay around for long. The PC's will see to that, even in the unlikely event that Tory wants to stick around for the long haul. The party's base will draw the obvious conclusion that the reversion to Davis-style red toryism was a failure and push for a change, and they'll get it because the surviving parliamentary caucus and most of the party's activists are blue tories. The red tories are about to fade away again.

Hah! Sid Ryan lost in Oshawa again. How many times has he run there?

Tory can say he'll stay, there is no chance in hell he will survive a party review.

Although if we keep with the Joe Clark comparisons, give it a couple of years, he'll shoot himself in the foot, with some help, God willing.

His foot's already shot. The other foot too, as a matter of fact.

Dalton McGuinty and Warren Kinsella are two very pathetic and shameful Canadians. They used unprecedented fear mongering and racial bigotry to keep to the focus off of McGuinty's sorry record over the past four years.

The Liberal party claims to be the party of minorities, but not if you are a Muslim and going to a religious school. Is so, you are a second class citizen according to McGuinty. It is fine for Catholics to have their schooling paid, but not Muslims.

I guess it is okay to give a cricket club $1 million of taxpayers' money, but not young Muslim school children. History will judge McGuinty and Kinsella to be racists of enormous proportions.

Holy crap, the choices for me to retire when I come back to Canada is getting thin. Alberta's government is growing stupid, can't buy a place in Ontario without the threat of being blockaded and run off over some imaginary injustice hundreds of years ago, Manitoba is a lost socialist haven and I fear Saskatchewan voters will figure the Dippers are the reason for the boom.

If it gets any warmer up north I could always ask king Hans if I can get some beach front property on his island...

David;

One can hope history will judge them that way. It's hard to believe that on nights like tonight.

As an Albertan I always thought that Ontario voted one way federally and another way provincially. Almost like they were voting in an opposition in Toronto against the government they voted for in Ottawa. (Bill Davis / Pierre Trudeau) Hopefully this trend is starting again.

Now I must go wash my hands. I just typed the name promised never to type.

As Toronto gets painted red, it clearly shows the residents adore a spanking first with Miller and now with Dalton.

Notwithstanding the biggest tax hike in Ontario history, Dalton is a man lacking integrity and honesty.

Interesting enough, Dalton called Tory a "segragationist" in regards to funding faith based schools tipping his hand that perhaps he feels multiculturilism has ran its course in Canada. By its nature, celebrating being multicultural and encouraging the transplant of ones homeland culture is celebrating the differences between us. All around Ontario, specifically the hub of ignorance Toronto, we have everything from Little Italy to Chinatown. Is that not segregation by choice?

Or perhaps Dalton is such a bigot that he feels only the Catholic faith is one deserving of its own school system. Not only has Ontario voted in a liar but quite simply a bigot as well.

Ownshook;

1) A pre-requisite to becoming a member of the Liberal party is being a bigot
2) One of the great fallacies of the Charter, and every Liberal who has defended it with such vigour, is that Liberals only make this argument when it suits them. The true definition of the Charter should see faith-based schools go along without any problem. We recall Mr. McGuinty speaking in favour of it in 2001.

And here we are tonight. For all those who think Harper isn't Conservative enough, thank God he's in the position he's in. It could be a LOT worse.

Texas:

Yep, come and see me on Hans Island anytime.

Hells Bells, we can take pot shots at those Danes with Viking tendencies!!

The lesson is that people in Ontario still like to be bribed with their own money, even when they know the guy running the show is a 'skimmer'.

Meanwhile, the narwhales are skewering some fishes and there is no shortage of ice for your daquiris should you wish to forget about some of your troubles.

And hey, Christmas operations are starting now that Oktoberfest has been successfully observed!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion

2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden (Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)

Knecht Rupprecht Division

Hans Corps

1st Saint Nicolaas Army

Army Group “True North”

A disaster for democracy. 50% turnout IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. EVER!! Tory ran a hideous campaign. The real issues were
1. Law and order (gun crime)
2. Law and order (scum on bail)
3. Law and order (aboriginals get a free pass)
4. Law and Order (government buying votes from cricket fans)
5. Lan and Oder (Ontario teachers bypass election laws)
6. Oh yeah; McShifty is a liar. Period.

....and Tory comes up with "we're not Quebec, we'll do "reasonable accomodation" the other way round". Pompous, rich dreamer. You can afford to be a nice guy with your head that far up your own arse. The rest of us have to live with real issues.

We're tories. We vote for tory policies. What the heck is so complicated????

The CBC has compared McGuinty to Mitchell Hepburn, on the basis that both were Liberals who won two consecutive majorities. Most of you should know what wringer the Dionne Quintuplets, and their parents, were put through while Hepburn was in the Premier's chair.

So, a word of warning: if you're in a position to make serious money in a line of business/work that a Liberal prig can spin as "unearned," you would be very wise to make said fortune outside of Ontario until the government changes.

MMP -- Just in case anyone is interested, I have been able to dig up the "make-up" of the MMP Secretariat which had responsibility for steering the process. Link is here: http://www.citizensassembly.gov.on.ca/en-CA/About/secretariat-team.aspx
I could be wrong, but this group does not look like a normal demographic to me . . . mostly women and quite young men, lots from Toronto. (I would bet money that most are left wing.) I understand that the Assembly itself supposedly represented individual ridings, etc. May or may not have been that representative. I am just curious about the degree to which the Secretariat influenced the final recommendation. If yes -- thank goodness for democracy. In my view, had MMP passed, we would have been in for a wild ride.

Good news all around. Dalton wins again, and MMP is defeated. Life is good!

@John Murney:

Interesting post, as it doesn't quite square with the sterotypes. As far as life getting good is concerned, putting aside from the warning I posted above, life might very well get better for certain groups. Teachers should be in for some good times, given the clout they swung in this election. So might the entrepreneural type of people, if they don't mind jacking around instead of gunning for the money.

Tory's campaign was terrible, becasue it never got going. He had decent positions on crime and health care. The funding issue was like a mountain in the valley at sunrise, the shadow dominated everything.

While the postion was logical it just brings up the sore point in the conservative ranks that funding shouldnt have been extended in the first place.

Fat lot of good extending funding did for the conservatives. Cant say the "catholic" vote is out there swinging away for the cons today.

Ontarions dont pay much attention to provinical politics till election time, so the mishandled money and the other issues just werent known.

Expect to see the John Tory we hardly knew ya articles from the press.

As for the Harris supporters....I like Mike, voted for him each time but he was the right guy at the right time. But couldnt win today. Tory could have ridden the law and order and scandal to Queens Park....stepped on a bag of poo and it follwed him around the whole election.

Unfortunate.

I just about threw up when Duh-lton proclaimed that the Liberals had been elected TO GOVERN Ontario for another four years. His intonation kind of gave away the fact that he's not too sure how to do this: 'Novel idea this: the Liberals GOVERNING Ontario.

McGuilty's chorus, or a paraphrase of it, ad nauseum last night was "This is Ontario." Duh. He's a mindless twit and sypher of vacuuous L/liberal fuddle duddle. THIS is Ontario under McGuilty: soft on crime, totally contemptuous of law and order, the only direction for Ontarians, down, down, down into the suck-you-dry-quicksands of good intentions gone awry.

Just what we need... (sarc/of)... Where are the hills to head to?

The Liberals in Ontario have BOUGHT the Toronto and area votes. That doesn't let Tory off the hook. He ran a lousy, I'll-appease-the-same-groups-as-the-Liberals campaign.

At least MMP was defeated.

Yes, kyrie eleison!

Churchill said that democracy is a terrible form of government, yet, the best we can ever hope form.

We saw that in this election. We also saw that one of the problems with democracy is that those who are highly effective at campaigning and winning elections, are often the worst leaders and managers (see McGuinty). Conversely, those with intelligence, skill, and management effectiveness (see Tory) often never get the opportunity to lead because they are not good campaigners.

Frankly, to win Tory should have not discussed the Religious School Equity issue until we won. While that would have been lieing, all Ontarians would have had a vastly superior premier this morning.

Instead we have a province in decline: over one million Ontarians do not have a doctor, Ontarians no longer have public eye examinations, physiotherapy, or chiropractic care, criminals are being released and murdering and raping again, Ontario has gone from first to worst in National GDP growth, our taxes are the highest in the countru, our corporate taxes the highest in the G8, our infrastructure is crumbling, our environment getting worst with McGuinty having no idea how to solve this, we have no economic strategy for the next 10-25 years as the manufacturing base erodes more each day, our grade six students have mathematics results that have declined substantially over the past 4 years ... get ready for more tax increases people, even more declining services, and less competitiveness.

"Just what we need... (sarc/of)... Where are the hills to head to?"

Quebec! The houses are $150,000 cheaper, taxes come out a wash, the schools, roads, law enforcement and hospitals may conceivably be better in Quebec than in Ontario at this time. The women are MUCH more pleasant than Ontario battle-axes. Beer in corner stores.

I recently spent a weekend in Montreal and the people there seem happier and friendlier than Ontarians. If I could make the same money there as I do in Ontario I'd be gone in a heartbeat.

I'd just like to say two things.

1) Barf.

2) Thank you John Tory for this opportunity to say barf.

I will now start digging a slit trench in my back yard for when the RPGs start flying in Caledonia. Hell of a thing to wake up to.

Now that I've got a double shot of espresso down me, I'd like to invite all you p---ed off Ontario types to join the PC party and help me hoof some people in the whatsit.

Starting with the bright little star who thought up "fund the madrassas". That weenie needs a serious kicking.

election's ontario should be trying to figure why the computors screwed up & WHY SO MANY PEOPLE had to say I DID NOT RECIEVE my voters card, THEN FIND OUT I WAS NOT EVEN ON THE VOTERS LIST, Then i had to show who the hell i was then make declaration of WHAT EVER they were talking about & explain i have lived at the same address for 10yrs, Jeezh****** what do you want next proof that iam born & raised In Canada, I would show you my passport IF I Could get the damm thing back & the Lineup i stood in To go threw all that was longer then the Tim Hortons drive thu at 7:30am

Thats my rant for the day I feel better & at least Murdoch won again

The lying hypocrite defeated the bumbling weakling.
In any case, both offered the same policies, so who cares?

I held my nose and voted for Tory. This election had more to do with a polite objection to multiculturalism and the muslim immigration in particularly. Nobody likes or trusts McGinty. Tory is a soft conservative. No, I believe it wasn't a vote for McGuinty's government it was against something. If they dared to put forth a referendum on multiculturalism it would be vetoed completely. I beleive political correctness is going down the tube.

I want Ontaxio license plates to read: "Status Quo: The Devil we Know"

The current motto: "Yours to discover" is innapropriate because 'discovering' means 'looking beyond'...This does not suit a hoard of fenced in sheeple with blinders on.

I am so ashamed to live in Ontario right now...Thank God Harper's in Ottawa at least.

If I was 10 yrs+ younger, Alberta would be my destination right now...

No rant...all ranted out...it appears that The ontario voter has a pavlovian relationship with leftist GTA media...because from where I watched the campaign as published in the papers and on TV touched no issue importeant to people.

O saw a pattern...McGuinty was polling bad right out of the gate and continued to sink the more he showed himself in public...people hated this guy for his election lies, massive tax increases and insane handling of Native and gang violence.

Then at day 15 in the campaign, no more was mentioned of Mcguinty's record, Caledonia, the health tax, etc....all that was plastered in the media was this lost leader school issue....even after McGuinty caved when confronted by another violent Native crime in Caledonia...it was a 1 day blip then back to grinding out gruel about the school funding straw man....about 10 days left the media was full of talking heads who told the mindless voter that there was no way that McGuity could be beaten...so don't vote for the other guy you want he'll lose...our polls say so!...obvious political Pavlovian messaging....Stalin would be proud....and they fell for these fraudulent planted poll "predictions"!

I can state without doubt McGuinty's victory was largely a colllusion between the LPO. partisan coopted pollsters and the GTA media to control information and issues. The other part of the equation is that this obvious political underhanded stage management worked on the voters...like Pavlovian dogs their media conditioning had them salivate when stimulated.

Tell them it's not about lies, taxation and corruption but religion and they buy in

Tell them their guy won't win, that the current slug ( as bad as he is) is unbeatable and they swallow this empty poll gazing BS.

SO...in honor of the sleazy incestuous political culture in the province (which will now be entrenched and produce exponential malfeasance outrages) and to honor its zombie-like voter base, I am officially adding an 'Mor' to the front of the province's name and rewriting the slogan on their provincial licence plates.

WELCOME TO "MORONTARIO"...YOUR'S TO UNCOVER.

Here's irony for you ... in an election lost over funding for faith-based schools, I voted in a publicly funded Catholic (a.k.a. religious) school - a point which I loudly made to those standing in line with me.

To quote Bart Simpson:

"This sucks! Come on snipers, where are you?"

No rant today, too depressed as well. A few points though.
1. I agree with other posts that the Ontario(read Toronto) media completely sided with mcliar(the red star actually had the nerve to state that the libs had increased the number of nurses, when in fact the opposite is true)
2. I voted in a religious based school as well. what complete friggin irony!
3. The libs engaged in their typical scare-mongering of seniors(we rent apartments to over 70 seniors and actually caught a lib in the act on our property)
4. As an original member of Reform in Ontario, and a participant in Harris' CSR, I can say with authority that we need a complete shake-up of the PC's in this province, starting with the dropping of the P.

Victoria BC, here we come!

Mackenzie, I am so borrowing that. With the appropriate h/t of course. :)

I wonder how long it will take for the ontario assault of the Alberta coffers? My guess, not long. With our dollar where it is and the manufacturing sector heading down they will have everything pissed away in no time, in true liberal fashion, and then look out WEST.
My biggest question is can Harper stand the assault? He needs a majority and the West, once again, doesn’t have the numbers for that majority. I wonder how they will dress up the NEP doll this time around?
Think about it? With a dumb Alberta Premier and an even dumber ontario one, that spells trouble.
Me? Well, once again I will pull in my business horns over the next year or so then sit on the sidelines and watch the show.

The reality is Ontario is not a 'blue' conservative province and never has been, except perhaps for some rural areas. Tory blew it with the faith school nonsense, but even a new Mike Harris would have lost last night.

The only reason Harris won in '95 with a genuine right-wing platform is the province was an absolute mess after years of red Tory, Liberal and NDP ineptitude. Remember the 1.3 million welfare recipients, the high taxes, the double-digit property tax increases thanks to greedy school boards, racial quotas for jobs... yikes. Harris fixed much of that, but Ontarians have short memories. McGuinty, to his credit, hasn't yet undone all that Harris did, but make no mistake, Ontario is on that downward spiral again.

I expect this province to go into full-blown recession soon as the US troubles will inevitably spill over here. It already started in manufacturing, however this has been masked by growth in the service sector. But how many nail salons and travel agents do you need when you've lost your job? McGuinty & co. will be completely incompetent in dealing with that, just like the NDP in the 90s, and will make things worse.

hopefully the new conservative leader will be savvier politician.

And to read some Bloggers here in Bloggingtories land that it is because Tory was too much a red tory.....Plllluueeeze!!!!! Give me a break! You give the lazy Ontaxio sheeple WAYYYYYY too much credit for their remote controlled by MSM brains...

The truth is in Mackenzie Redux's pudding up above.
Go read it if you haven't yet.

The results of yesterday’s Ontario provincial election will return a Premier who broke almost every promise he made to us his last time out. The result has sent a message to politicians across the province - that broken promises are okay. Who sent that message? We the people.

Voter cynicism and apathy is at it’s highest level ever. We simply don’t care enough. I don’t know the exact figure but I’m guessing the turnout yesterday was around 50%. That’s not healthy.

Our elected leaders will start improving when more Canadians start getting up, paying attention, and casting ballots.

Thankfully the referendum question looking at reforming our electoral system was defeated. If there is a problem with our democracy it’s not so much “how” we elect members but rather “who” we elect as members.

"Thankfully the referendum question looking at reforming our electoral system was defeated."
A.K.

Yep, the only upside of having total voter indiference and laziness: The choice was clear...When you don't do your homework, you choose what you are familiar with, again the "Devil we Know" approach...

Well, I don't think it was simply the MSM that gave McGuinty the win in Ontario. I still think that a large part of it was FBS - which hit a nerve in cobbled, balkanized Ontario.

Ontario was set up by the Charter as multicultural; that balkanized the population, Canada's largest immigrant province, into identity groups, each isolate, adversarial, and competing for funds. Multiculturalism in addition, made it 'racist' to criticize this balkanization of the population. But, this policy is moving out of the closet and into the open. In Quebec - the ultra socialist province which has suddenly moved itself out of socialism and is exploring entrepreneurship, capitalism, and has no time for state-funded identity groups.

Ontario is in big economic trouble. It's on the 'cusp' of a collapse that will enable it to change. But, what has happened, in my view, is that the Big Unions have moved in to take control of the political system, ie, McGuinty's Liberals. They are on their 'last gasp' in Ontario.

This means that they will seek complete control of the political system; they've given up on the NDP as unable to give them the political control they want. But, the teacher's union, the CAW, the civil service - they are all, effectively, the Ontario Liberal govt.

Now- McGuinty's and the union's plan is to give in to them, and get Ottawa to foot the bill. McGuinty plans to hold the Ontario electorate hostage to Ottawa; he's say - Give us the money to increase union wages, benefits, pensions etc - or, Ontarians won't vote for you.

I doubt if Harper will 'cave'. Dion - and Rae will.

And in Dion's Liberals - Rae has been brought in vs Ignatieff. Dion will be run by Rae.

Meanwhile, the Union domination of Ontario will drive more and more manufacturing jobs away, increase taxes, costs, decrease services. It will reach a critical threshold, I'm suggesting, in two years. IF, Harper refuses to bail on Ontario.

McGuinty, Rae and Dion - will want the West's money to save Ontario. Hopefully, Harper, and the WEst, will refuse.

Then - I'm going to be that McGuinty won't last his four year term - because he, Rae, Dion won't be able to fund the Political Order-Givers behind the Ontario Liberal Party - the Unions.

As for FBS - it was a disastrous tactic - but it brought multiculturalism out of the closet.

All disgusted members of the People's Republic of Ontario who would like to leave are welcome out west.

Pick your province ... B.C. is splendidly beautiful. Alberta has a strong leader who's not in the pocket of big oil. Saskatchewan is on the verge of kicking out the party that has held them back.

Get out while you can.

If you figure the sub-prime market crisis in the US has caused a meltdown in housing prices, wait until your manufacturing industry deals Ontario death by a thousand cuts.

About four million honest, hard-working Ontarians would be welcomed here.

RIP Ontario.

You kind of have to shore up your base, rather than attack it.

Tory lost on the funding issue. He should have researched the issue with his MPP's and Conservative base prior to making it an election issue. I'm sure that it would've been less of an issue, if not for the unaknowledged Islamic elephant in the room.

Regardless, it was a giant mistake, which the Weasel, his bought and paid for Unions and his Svengali media cartel gladly seized and ran with to a majority.

Remember, the polls started out with a 3 point difference. But it wasn't just the funding issue - Tory didn't run any policy ads to balance the attack ads. Nobody really knew what he stood for. Those that did couldn't see much difference between what he'd do versus the Liberals, other than cut the lying Weasel's health tax.

Hell, he could've worn a Leafs jersey versus McGuinty's Senators
and it might've pulled more voters.

Which probably exposes an even more lethal problem.

Either the PC party has moved left of it's base support or the traditional Conservative has moved right. Whichever, they had better get with the program and be Conservative. Drop the ridiculous 'Progressive' adjective. It means socialism, period.

Ontario's going to have to be punched out economically again, before it comes to it's senses. If ever.

ET, your absolutely right and Margaret Wente in today's Globe has her column on it. Talking with other volunteers and all the people we spoke to throughout the campaign, everyone was worried about FBS and multiculturalism taking over the province. The rapid change in Ontario demographics has frightened Conservative voters and this concern led to CP downfall outside of Toronto. The massive number of unionists and immigrants in Toronto ensured a Liberal victory there. With one of the smallest voter turnout of slightly over 50% McLiar didn't have to say anything or bother to personaly knock on any doors.

In today's Sun several MPP's said they had warned Tory on the religious funding issue and told him to drop it months ago but he said he had promised it during his leadership run and he wouldn't go back on his word. He was there when Davis decimated the PCs when he extended full funding to Catholic schools. Just before the writ was dropped his advisors warned him again but he stated "Trust me on this." Glub, glub, end of story.

My son's grade eight class held a mock election yesterday. The results;

Liberal 10
NDP 10
Greens 10
Conservatives 3

Which just goes to show the left really appeals to those with the intellect of 13 year olds.

David:

Sounds to me there are plenty of anti-religious bigots in Ontario.

At least Tory lost his seat. Idiot.

4 more years of abuse. Tory? Liberal? NDP? Too bad they all couldn't lose.

Not a conservative in the bunch. How about a do-over? All the leaders and candidates get fired and we get to elect an entirely new set of jerkoffs.

At least MMP was turfed.

set you free

Thanks for the invite ;)

I was out west wandering the rockies for 3 weeks this summer. My family is originally from Alberta and BC.

If it wasn't for friends and family I'd move out there in a second. I love the outdoors (mountains in particular) and Canmore is very inviting. Of course, I'd have to win a lottery to afford to buy a home there now...

FYI... Warren Kinsella writes/brags about his win today in the National Post!

Well, the sheeple have been done again by the Grits and the media. Every election there is a great hullabaloo raised by them about some non-issue, that drowns out anything that was done for the last 4 years. Works like a charm. Then 1 day after the election NO-One even mentions the hullabaloo subject ever again. Wake up Morontario!
You have been falling for this ***p since Pipsqueak Pearson and the Bomarc missile

Liberals deserve each other. How can the Liberals turn away from Liberal leadership and all their antics when they are no different. I'm sick of Ontario and their Liberals, and I say the West should kick the whole lot of them to the curb. The Liberals are all about buying votes, and when the sellers can rake in the dough and do nothing for it, they will.

seet you free - the issue against FBS has nothing to do with bigotry. The issue is the separation of church and state - and the state, ie, the public, should not be involved in funding religious institutions. That ought to be up to the religious institution's membership.

Furthermore, public education ought to be secular and based on facts. Historical fact, geographic facts, mathematical facts, scientific facts. And, critical thinking skills. Literature ought to be treated as creations of the imagination and emotion. Ethics is an aspect of reason, not religion and ought to be taught as such. Religion has no place in a secular public education.

People in Ontario are right to be worried about the balkanization of this province. Ontario is Canada's largest immigrant domain and multiculturalism is encouraging and even actively working to set up these immigrant groups in isolated self-defined enclaves. These groups continue to behave AS IF they were living in 'the old country'; that is, they do not adapt to the realities of an industrial democratic system in an immigrant country.

Rather than collaborating with other immigrants as individuals and working to establish a shared and common Canadian identity, these people isolate themselves from others and insist that the govt fund them and legally enable them to continue their old beliefs and behaviour. They want Sharia Law; they want arranged marriages, even polygamous families; they want special meals in schools, special rooms in public institutions for their private use etc. More and more demands of us, that we change our lifestyles to accomodate their old beliefs and behaviour.

An immigrant country cannot afford to have a balkanized and splintered population. Multiculturalism was, I maintain, a deliberate policy set up by Trudeau/Liberals to weaken Ontario and prevent its key use in funding Quebec. Quebec has always been the mainstay in Liberal power; and the Liberal manufactured role of Quebec was always on the brink of 'breaking up the country' was countered only by Ontario's voters agreeing to fund and support 'whatever Quebec wants'. [The money came from the West and Ontario.]

This strategy kept the Liberals in power. Until finally, Quebec moved out of its Liberal-created as Perpetual Hand-Out and is seeking its own agenda. Ontario hasn't moved on from its role as 'We Ontario MPs and Voters Will Agree To Whatever the Govt Wants'. Its voice was broken into too many multicultural groups, each dependent on massive govt funding.

So-Ontario is finally voicing, even indirectly, its rejection of multiculturalism. And now, rather than Quebec and the federal Liberals calling the tune of Ontario's Liberals - it's Ontario's Unions who have taken on that role. They fund and run the govt - and their demands are going to increase and send Ontario to the brink.

McGuinty is going to scream at Ottawa (aka Danny Williams] to fund him and his Union Supporters. I hope Harper tells - and them - to get stuffed.
But, McGuinty's plan is obviously to hold the Ontario voters hostage to him and his Unions; they'll be made to vote Liberal (Dion) to get him his money for those Unions.

Dion and Rae will now go all out to support McGuinty's Unions...

A major proportion of Toronto voters are govt funded employees: health care, teachers, civil service. So- McGuinty's insistence that their wages, benefits, pensions etc increase, paid for by the Canadian not Ontario taxpayer....will find him support in that area. Dion and Rae will want the West's money to support Ontario's union employees.

Will Ontario wake up, as Quebec has done?

Greeneck sez: "The reality is Ontario is not a 'blue' conservative province and never has been,"

Again this was not an election about reaffirming phony political brand name partisanism ..this was an election about INTEGRITY, MALFEASANCE IN GOVERNANCE AND CORRUPTION...and again, ONTARIO VOTERS FAILED THE TEST OF RESPONSIBLE CITIZENSHIP!!!...they stayed home and allowed the partisans to chose sleaze, rigged info and avaricious entitlement largesse promises over integrity and constitutionally accountable governance.

You fucktard Green Soviets getting shut out was the one bright spot that still remained on the Ontario political landscape....although unwittingly, Ontario morons have voted themselves into a regime that is as contemptuous of private property and property rights as you green Soviets.

I should also add that the vast majority of those we spoke to while doing the campaign wanted to get rid of the Catholic school system and have only one truly public school system. Survey after survey has shown this is what Ontarians want.

Alberta seems to have the best system in Canada, why not emulate it here in Ontario.

Not gonna happen now with McSquinty's wife as a Catholic school teacher.

ET:

David Hand just stole some of my thunder.

Alberta's system is about choice for the parent. Funding follows the student and there are many charter schools set up outside the public and Cathoic systems.

I will not back down from my statement that Ontarians have shown their anti-religious bigotry.

I will also add they are hypocrites.

It was the Liberals who introduced multiculturalism as a justification for biligualism.

Now, it's the Liberals who are defending the one-size-fits-all theory of schooling.

Ontario, I have only two words for you ... you're disgusting.

Greenneck;

Harris would still mop the floor with McGuinty. The point is valid that Ontario wasn't angry like they were in '95, but Harris would still do well. It's called vision, he had some.

David Hand;

Note that the Green Party made the biggest popular vote gain last night. They were the only party to support one school system.

Set you Free;

Just remember, 58% of people did not vote Liberal last night. 32% voted for Mr. Tory, and of the 17% who voted NDP, a lot of that came from Conservatives voting for them to defeat Liberals (like me). The vacuousness of morality that is Ontario is not in doubt, don't get me wrong, but you're preaching to the choir in these parts.

From WL Mackenzie Redux:

"You fucktard Green Soviets getting shut out was the one bright spot that still remained on the Ontario political landscape....although unwittingly, Ontario morons have voted themselves into a regime that is as contemptuous of private property and property rights as you green Soviets."

Are you calling me 'Green Soviet' because of my handle?

The 'Green' in my name is for REFORM Green.

"Well, the sheeple have been done again by the Grits and the media. Every election there is a great hullabaloo raised by them about some non-issue, that drowns out anything that was done for the last 4 years. Works like a charm. Then 1 day after the election NO-One even mentions the hullabaloo subject ever again. Wake up Morontario!
You have been falling for this ***p since Pipsqueak Pearson and the Bomarc missile"

Well, Snowbert, you're about 99% right - but we still have that stupid flag.

Toronto Mayor and Socialist Extraordinaire David Miller claimed that the Liberal win in Toronto ridings validates his proposed massive tax hikes to Toronto home purchasers and drivers.

I say, just deserts, to the voters in Toronto! Your voted in the most prolific tax and spend government in Ontario history, so open up your cheque books and get ready to pay. After all, that's what you agreed to do by voting Fiberal.