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September 24, 2007

"The issue here is not free speech."

"It is naïve to ignore the uses to which Ahmadinejad will put his invitation. Over the past years, Ahmadinejad’s confrontational rhetoric and policies have resulted in diplomatic isolation and economic hardship for Iran. These developments are unpopular among Iranians. It is beneficial to Ahmadinejad and his regime, then, if he can claim to the Iranian people that his leadership is not hurting their country. If he can demonstrate that he is treated abroad as a respected leader, he will be better able to counter his critics at home. Columbia’s invitation thus gives political assistance to Ahmadinejad.

"Bollinger has written that “it should never be thought that merely to listen to ideas...implies our endorsement of those ideas.” That is true. But the argument against the official invitation of Ahmadinejad is not an argument against listening to his ideas. It is an argument against bestowing prestige on Ahmadinejad."


CANCON! Mahmoud I'mmadasajihad has released a 70 page booklet condemning Canada's human rights record, prompting fears that the move could trigger a swoonami at NDP headquarters.

Updates:
American Thinker: "To understand Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mindset and behavior require close scrutiny of the elaborate and intricate theology of Hujetieh Shiism, perhaps the most fundamentalist of the numerous Shiite sects."

Schwarzenegger steals some thunder - "says he will sign legislation requiring California's multibillion-dollar state pension funds to divest from [Iran]."

Speaking truth to terror - a round-up of reaction to Bollinger's smackdown. He didn't say anything that many others haven't been screaming from the rooftops for months - including George Bush. But he said it to his face, so give him credit for that.


Posted by Kate at September 24, 2007 1:16 AM
Comments

And of course Columbia knows this.

While we see more explicit examples of the left's unholy alliance with radical Islam on far left websites, other more "reputable" left leaning institutions must keep their base anti-Western philosophy and resulting detante with such monsters, away from direct scrutiny.

They do this by cloaking their activities as a noble pursuit of the highest order - the protection of rights and freedom of thought and expression, and the importance of hearing out other viewpoints.

Except we see that this noble pursuit is nowhere to be found when it isn't ideologically suitable - in banning the ROTC from their campus.

So, like the terrorists who'll grab a treasured child and carry him onto the battle field to use as a temporary sheild, relying for their own dastardly purposes, on the sanctity in which human-kind places on a child's life, so too does Columbia wrap itself around these treasured rights and noble causes, in furtherance of their thinly veiled ideological war.

Rights of convenience, which they're happy to use, and likewise happy to ignore, for whatever suits their agenda.

Posted by: biff at September 24, 2007 2:39 AM

The Iranian prez must be wearing out his welcome at home.

"If your poll results are foundering, visit America and take full advantage of the hospitality offered you."

The Globe and Mail has an article about Ahmadinejad's interview on 60 Minutes, which features his denials that Iran is hot on the track of a nuckear bomb.

Posted by: Daniel M. Ryan at September 24, 2007 3:47 AM

"The issue here is not free speech."

Yeah, for the - heh - "former" Trotskyites who comprise NRO's Row of Idiots it's never about free speech, or about respecting the constitution, or private property. You couldn't pick a less credible website to quote if you tried.

Posted by: Andrew at September 24, 2007 4:34 AM

I think you can infer more about Ahmadinejad's agenda in New York by considering his (Iran's) tirade against Canadian human rights abuses, such as the routine strip-searching of citizens by the police. (Curse those TTC constables--it makes commuting so unpleasant.) One has to get past the sheer comic idiocy of Ahmadinejad to read the tea leaves of what's going on. Plainly he is a puppet to the vested economic-religious elites, but where are they headed and how do they think they are advancing that agenda?

Posted by: murray at September 24, 2007 5:59 AM

Would they extend a similar invitation to the Ku Klux Klan?

Posted by: Bedpan Alley at September 24, 2007 7:40 AM

This whole ahmadiejad flap is so weird. When I was a child, I couldn't understand how an entire country became a pack of murdering maniacs hating everything that is good. Now I watch it happening to my own country.

Posted by: Maxnnr at September 24, 2007 8:29 AM

Andrew... take 30 seconds.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/Read.aspx?guid=783b9cca-9a10-490b-a4e1-a660826c3941

Another former Trotskytite for you. Read both comments as well.

Ya don't need a Ph.D., let alone a "less credible website", to use your God damn head.

Posted by: Joe B. at September 24, 2007 9:22 AM

Andrew, applying your logic that a quote's locus voids the quote, I have to ignore your comment.

Posted by: Shaken at September 24, 2007 9:33 AM

"Another former Trotskyite for you."

Technically, Horowitz was a Marxist and terrorist financier, not a Trotskyite. In any case you'll forgive me if I ignore this "former" commie idiot:

"While still identifying as a Marxist, Horowitz, along with many other left wing figures of his generation, sought to distance himself from the Soviet Union. Horowitz was employed during the 1960s as a political aide to Bertrand Russell.[1] Horowitz at this time was a close friend and associate of Marxist historian Isaac Deutscher.
...
Horowitz was a confidant of Black Panthers leader Huey P. Newton, and provided legal and financial assistance to the black revolutionary organization.
...
Horowitz has also come under fire for material in his books, particularly The Professors.[36][37] For example, Media Matters for America claims that only 48 of the 100 (not 101) professors listed were criticized for in-class behavior and activities,[38] despite Horowitz's claim that he makes "a very clear distinction between what's done in the classroom" and "what professors say as citizens."[39] The group Free Exchange on Campus issued a 50-page report in May of 2006 in which they take issue with many of Horowitz's assertions in the book and describe what they see as factual errors, unsubstantiated assertions, and quotations which appear to be either misquoted or taken out of context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_%28conservative_writer%29

Posted by: Andrew at September 24, 2007 9:53 AM

Such a good little stenographer, Kate...dutifully reproducing Republican talking-points.

Anyway, I hope you're going to enlist when the Battle of Tehran begins. Or are you a freedom-hating dhimmitudinous defeatocrat?

Posted by: Reformed minion at September 24, 2007 9:54 AM

Perhaps he will use the podium at Columbia to announce his resignation and seek assylum in the US ....before he's tossed out by Iranian insurgents.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1698

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at September 24, 2007 9:57 AM

"Such a good little stenographer, Kate...dutifully reproducing Republican talking-points."

Scratch a leftist and you'll find an anti-Semite.

Posted by: Kate at September 24, 2007 10:15 AM

*
"Asked whether he was denying that Iran supplied weapons
to militants in Iraq, he avoided a clear answer. "It's very clear
the situation. The insecurity in Iraq is detrimental to our
interests," he said."

Not half as detrimental as the gps-guided cruise missile
that's gonna come flyin' in your bedroom window
one night
, ya freakin' squirrel.

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Posted by: neo at September 24, 2007 10:25 AM

I wonder. Is Ahmadinejad effectively speaking to the Iranians back home in these two speeches? Is he saying that:

In these two speeches, Iran has told the US and UN that it doesn't want war. IF, IF a war does come, Iran will be the passive hapless victim. He ignores Iran's role in supplying both weapons and men to fight against democracy in Iraq.

Then, his other point is that situation in Iraq. He says that Iran feels threatened by the 'unrest' in Iraq. That could, after all, set up a situation where Iran would have to 'retaliate' (Iranian word for attack without cause) against a situation in Iraq.
He ignores that his arming and funding of these militants in Iraq - would be the cause of 'that situation'.

So- he's setting up a situation where he is defining Iran, not merely to Iranians, but to the whole world as: a passive victim of the US War in Iraq - and that war might, just might, spread and harm Iran. And Iran will have to fight back, won't it?

Again- the fact that it is Iran that is fomenting and enabling this current fighting in Iraq - he doesn't admit that.

Iran has been trying to get the West to attack it for years. Then, it can 'retaliate' - and move quickly into the Arab States. Iran has imperialist agendas in that ME.

Now, Ahmadinejad is setting the scenario for Iran's going into war. The West has been careful not to attack Iran to prevent their going into war. So, Iran has, instead, fomented the Iraqi insurgency - to prevent its democracy. And, it is now openly saying that IF Iraq's 'unrest' harms Iran - well, it will have to protect itself, won't it? So- that's the cause for Iran to start up a war in the ME. It will claim that 'some incident' in Iraq (remember, started by Iran) has harmed Iran..and they must protect themselves.

BUT - they didn't want a war; they are victims. Watch them do it.

It's the Arab states that have to stand up to Iran. Do they want to be under the rule of Iran?

Posted by: ET at September 24, 2007 11:08 AM

I don't understand the attempts at subtle debate.
It is just plain wrong to give evil a platform
for getting more attention. To cloak oneself
in the moral garments of free speach is unacceptable. The guy should not be invited to anyplace at any time.... unless it's to his funeral.

Posted by: melwilde at September 24, 2007 11:09 AM

One does not debate with evil. One crushes it with all possible speed.

I see on Drudge that NY State legislators are coming out and saying they are going to cut off Columbia's funding if they go through with this. Nice to see somebody taking a stand.

Posted by: The Phantom at September 24, 2007 11:26 AM

...The Canadian government's several breaches of human rights and fundamental freedoms of its own people entails different dimensions and manifestations...

That's what the conservatives have been saying all along since Turdoe planted the charter-of-no-freedoms on us. We do not have any rights as they all are limited. One thing I agree with MA on - Canadians don't have rights.

Posted by: Aaron at September 24, 2007 12:21 PM

Canada , the police state , where Caledonia can be occupied for months on end in full view of the OPP.

beatings , burning bridges (not crosses) and the police state does nothing.

Posted by: cal2 at September 24, 2007 1:01 PM

That lie never gets old for you, does it?

Scratch a Leftist and get an ad hominem reply.

Posted by: Doug at September 24, 2007 1:03 PM

Just once before I die I want to be part of an unholy alliance.

Posted by: Crabgrass at September 24, 2007 1:15 PM

Well let's see how strongly readers believe what they are writing here. What if Putin had been invited? or Hu Jintao or Wen Jiabao of China?

Or, for that matter and probably more germaine to the argument of "muslim war", what about Faud or his family in Saudi Arabia? Would that be endorsing the Saudi regime, one of the most backward regressive oppressive regimes in the world (moreso than even Iran)? Are the US and Canadian governments "endorsing" oppression of women and minorities and human rights generally by dealing with the House of Saud?

It is not a good idea to have Ahmadinejad speak for a hundred reasons.

But are people here really objecting to him because of his petty rogue regime or as an excuse to sabre rattle and bash muslims?

Posted by: Ted at September 24, 2007 1:35 PM

Ted:

Ahmadinejad is being given an opportunity he does not allow his own citizens ... the right to speak out and be heard.

He's speaking at Columbia University, which had Dwight D. Eisenhower as its chancellor at one time.

Yet, less than half a century later, this alleged bastion of free speech does not allow ROTC recruiters on campus to recruit a possible future great leader like Eisenhower.

There's more than a smattering of hypocricy from the university administration.

Any other questions?

Posted by: set you free at September 24, 2007 1:49 PM

I agree set you free.

But would you say the same thing to Russian, Chinese and Saudi leaders? They are all worse than Iran, that's all I said.

Posted by: Ted at September 24, 2007 1:57 PM

Does anyone know where I can get the text of this booklet? I, unlike others in theses pages, like to get informed before forming an opinion.

Posted by: Manny, in Moncton at September 24, 2007 2:09 PM

Bollinger shocked everyone by giving it to I'madinnerjacket stright up the poop-chute!

It would be priceless to see the Leftists jaws dropping to the floor at Marxist U!

Posted by: Doug at September 24, 2007 2:11 PM

William F. Buckley
On Inviting a Communist Speaker to Yale, 1962.

http://tinyurl.com/34yx5h

Read and swoon from the man's exceptionally sharp reasoning powers. Approx. 9 sorta half pages. Found at Hillsdale College archive, Buckley on Line.

Buckley turned down a invitation to speak at the proposed presentation but said he'd attend a debate at Yale to determine whether the invitation to the communist should stand. It was cancelled.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at September 24, 2007 2:16 PM

Holy crap. Bollinger handed it to him! Bravo.

Posted by: Yukon Gold at September 24, 2007 2:40 PM

The Board of Traitors at Columbia. The long fingers of Billy The-Lip-Biter Clinton, aka Willy I-Feel-Your-Pain, aka Willy the Draft Evader, are evident.The secret society of lawyers is well represented being 25% of the members.
...-

Bollinger's bosses: Who are the Columbia trustees?

The Trustees of Columbia University hired and evaluate the performance of President Lee Bollinger. The New York Sun assigns them a large measure of blame for a history of failure in monitoring and evaluating the leadership of Columbia University, culminating in the travesty of the visit of Iranian "President" Ahmadinajed to the campus today, just two days after Yom Kippur, the holiest day for the Jewish community. Here is a list of the Trustees.

One prominent member is Eric Holder, who was appointed to serve as the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia by President Clinton. Then Clinton appointed him as the Deputy Attorney General. One would have hoped that a lawyer would have objected to the appearance by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad considering that his regime has violated any number of international laws and is a serial abuser of human rights, let alone that he heads of the number one terror-sponsoring state in the world and played a role in the illegal taking of American hostages in 1979. Other trustees are also attorneys: Ellen Kaden, Gerry Lenfest, Jose Cabranes, Esta Stecher and Stephen Case. Altogether, lawyers account for one fourth of the 24 member board. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901465/posts

The Trustees of Columbia University
Background Information
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/secretary/docs/trustees/background-information.html

Posted by: maz2 at September 24, 2007 2:59 PM

Machmood Ahmanutjob should be invited to explain his theories on the holocaust to the JDL sometimes soon.
I am sure they would welcome him with 'open arms'.

Posted by: Joe Canuck at September 24, 2007 3:25 PM

Someday the USA will pick on somebody just as crazy as Bush but until then I dialogue is the best defense. You can't bomb them all.

Posted by: ok4ua at September 24, 2007 3:35 PM

You want to dialog with people who want to cut your throat simply because you're not one of them?!?

Be my guest. I'll throw in some bandaids.

Posted by: Joe Canuck at September 24, 2007 3:42 PM

Doesn't matter what Ahmedinejad has to say, can't believe him, can't take him at his word on anything. He's just a waste of space. He isn't running his Country, it's the guys in robes and white pill box hats, they're pulling his strings, it's a Theocracy.
These radical anti-Semites should be run out of town, but since he preaches against Jews, he gets a platform. Disgusting.

Posted by: Liz J at September 24, 2007 3:43 PM

*
Bollinger lays a beating...

“You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated,”
Bollinger said in reference to Ahmadinejad’s views on the Holocaust.

"Will you cease this outrage?"

That's gonna leave a mark.

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Posted by: neo at September 24, 2007 4:27 PM

I have a friend who wants me to watch Bollinger's opening remarks. I won't.

Let me guess: he asked some "sharp questions".

Problem is: these sharp questions won't run on Iranian state TV. Bollinger has provided a first rate and choice propaganda venue for this evil genocidaire. And the west looks even sicklier.

Bollinger is a useful idiot, period.

Liz J said: Doesn't matter what Ahmedinejad has to say ....

Now that's the truth. If there was anything you liked in his speech, you've been had. Taqiyya. Disinformation.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at September 24, 2007 4:32 PM

There are two items which seem to conflict regarding this man's visit to America. One is that the United States has to issue him a visa. This is because of an agreement with the UN. That being not to interfere with that bodies function.

On the other hand, Kurt Waldheim who had official status as his countries representative, was refuse entry to the USA>

The reason being given was that he may have consorted with NAZI officials in war crimes. Never proven.

There is something rotten afoot with regard to the likes of this man.

Posted by: Peter at September 24, 2007 4:32 PM

neo: "That's gonna leave a mark!"
LOL. Where, neo?
Not in Iran, it won't. Or anywhere in the ME. And not on the Jew-hating western left either.

Oh yeah, a mark alright. A black mark of western naivity and perfidy.

Wonder how much dough Columbia Middle East studies took from Saudi Arabia?

Man, the islamofascists of the world are having a good chuckle -- you can be sure of that.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at September 24, 2007 4:40 PM

Anyone recanting after the thumping Bollinger gave him?

At least Volkh has the sense to realize giving that nitwit a platform to make a fool of himself was a good idea.

Posted by: gray at September 24, 2007 5:46 PM

Gray - and seems to have gotten the audience well onside against Mahmoud.

Posted by: Ted at September 24, 2007 5:58 PM

What we have seen here is an excellent lesson on the muslim values of taqiyya, kitman and deception. Though, on 60 minutes he said the grand lie, "I'm a muslim, I cannot lie." We also saw his invitation to Sharia law in his call for all nations to come to 'the almighty.' And his introductory statement calling for the arrival of the 12th imam, whose purpose is to destroy the infidels prior to ruling the world.

However, when asked about how gays are treated in Iran, he replied with the truth:

"We don't have homosexuals in Iran." He of course didn't say why.

He went on about learning and scholarship (we all know that every imam is reputedly a 'scholar'), yet history proves different. I suppose western universities can look forward to this:

The ‘rightly guided’ Caliph Umar ordered the total destruction of books, by the hundreds of thousands, in the great library of Alexandria with the words "if what is written in them agrees with the Koran, they are not required; if it disagrees, they are not desired. Destroy them therefore."

Oh, and this:

“Muslims claim to have contributed the numeral “Zero” to the sum total of human knowledge, and alas, have continued to contribute zero ever since.”

Although, the universal symbols we now know as Arabic numerals, including the Zero, were referred to by Arabic sources, from the earliest times, as arqam al hind -- "figures from India". The Muslims of that day, though generally contemptuous of non-Islamic culture, had no problem conceding the invention of this number system to India.

And this:

The United Nations, in its 2002 Arab Human Development Report, found that the total number of books translated into Arabic each year is no more than 330, or one-fifth of those annually translated in a small country like Greece. Indeed, the total number of books translated into Arabic during the last 1,000 years, since the age of Caliph Al-Ma’moun, (a ninth-century Arab ruler who was a patron of cultural interaction between Arab, Persian, and Greek scholars) to this day is less than those translated in Spain in one year.

Have to give Columbia's president credit for how he skewered the little creep in his introduction, though.

Meanwhile KOS, the spokesblog for the American democratic party and leftists, has posted a poll where 45% of its readers would prefer Ahmadinejad as president of the US, versus Bush.

Right in keeping with the left's love affair with fascism, totalitarianism and genocide. End of argument.

Posted by: irwin daisy at September 24, 2007 7:35 PM

Well, happy I seem to have been wrong on Bollinger. OTOH, Senator McCain makes a good point:

"I still find it astonishing and astounding that Columbia University would welcome the president of a country that has not only dedicated itself to a policy of extinction of the state of Israel, but as he is speaking, most of the lethal and explosive devices are being exported from Iran into Iraq, endangering and taking the lives of brave Americans who are serving. Meanwhile, Columbia University's belief in free speech does not extend to Reserve Officers' Training Corps units being allowed on their campus to attract outstanding young men and women to serve in the military."


Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at September 24, 2007 8:33 PM

If anyone thinks that Bollingers smug little verbal thrust at the poisonous little bastard from Iran made ANY impression ...... think again.

Posted by: OMMAG at September 24, 2007 9:36 PM

Before we go all aghast at the termidity of Mr. Bollinger we should remember how easy words are to use when standing on your side of the fence. Perhaps he should prove his spunk by travelling to Iran to deliver a self same rebuke. Words are cheap, actions are not.

Posted by: Farmerboy at September 24, 2007 10:32 PM

"Words are cheap, actions are not."

Says the anonymous commenter.

Posted by: Ted at September 24, 2007 10:51 PM

Giving Ahmadinejad a bigger stage to act like the clown he is - what a spectacle. I don't see any harm in that. I'm looking forward to the next Bollinger smackdown in that "haven of free speech" with "no homosexuals" - Iran.

Posted by: Ace at September 24, 2007 10:51 PM

Very pithy Ted. Let's compare lists. Activities in the past few weeks. Lead the effort of get a provincial ag debate with Ont Minister of Ag and critics, failed due to Liberals attitudes. Taken wheelchair bound friend to church each Sunday night or ensured he got there. Cooked 2 pigs and donated and cooked 12 chickens for daughter's school's 50th anniversary. Donated 12 chickens to food bank. Organized and took 6 pigs to local abbatoir for donation to local food banks and soup kitchens. Helped out each day with elderly neighbour after her brother died at Easter, including taking her to the hospital. Organized the annual local farmer's group family picnic and invited migrant farm workers in the area to come, 30 - 35 attended. Cooked a pig and prepared that for same picnic. Working with provincial farm organization to organize something meaningful to assist the same workers while in Canada or back in their home countries. Travelled to about 10 schools and provided the where withal for them to hatch chicks in their classrooms, n/c. Written and had published about 4 letters to the editor. I could go on but don't want to be a braggard.

Posted by: Farmerboy at September 24, 2007 11:26 PM

Speaking of free speech

Caught Red-Handed: Media Backtracks on Iran's Anti-Israel 'Threat'

http://democracyrising.us/content/view/979/164/

Posted by: albatros39a at September 25, 2007 12:01 AM

I wonder if Ahmanutjob can understand English at all.
Because that is the only way he would find out what Bollinger really said about him. I doubt whether any translator would risk his/her life by accurately translating Bollinger's words.

Posted by: Joe Canuck at September 25, 2007 4:02 AM

It is unfortunate that a country like Iran didn't have someone more enlightened like Cyrus or Darius running the ancient Persia.

At least he continued the policy of Cyrus the Great by granting the Jews of the day, the right and means to rebuild the Temple.

The only known example of his religious policy is his treatment of the Jews in Babylon. The Bible records that a remnant of the Jewish population returned to the Promised Land from Babylon, following an edict from Cyrus to rebuild the temple. This edict is fully reproduced in the Book of Ezra. As a result of Cyrus' policies, the Jews honored him as a dignified and righteous king.

Gee the germ of the idea for freedom of religion came from ancient Persia. It is an irony that the present regime has taken great pains to disavow its historic legacy.


Per Ezra 1:1-6

1NOW IN the first year of [a]Cyrus king of Persia [almost seventy years after the first Jewish captives were taken to Babylon], that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might begin to be accomplished, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom and put it also in writing:(A)
2Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and He has charged me to build Him a house at Jerusalem in Judah.

3Whoever is among you of all His people, may his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem in Judah and re build the house of the Lord, the God of Israel, in Jerusalem; He is God.

4And in any place where a survivor [of the Babylonian captivity of the Jews] sojourns, let the men of that place assist him with silver and gold, with goods and beasts, besides freewill offerings for the house of God in Jerusalem.

5Then rose up the heads of the fathers' houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and Levites, with all those whose spirits God had stirred up, to go up to re build the house of the Lord in Jerusalem.

6And all those who were around them aided them with vessels of silver, with gold, goods, beasts, and precious things, besides all that was willingly and freely offered.


Pretty enlightened for somebody hailing from 550-529 BC.

Some 2500 years later perhaps Dr. Ahmadinejad should be taking some notes, if he wishes to be taken seriously as the "Socrates of the Third Millenium".

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Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at September 25, 2007 2:20 PM

So when Canadians can't get jobs will Iran push for us to get rid of affirmative action.

Posted by: DrWright at September 25, 2007 2:26 PM

A show of hands, please: I'm wondering who, among the many visitors to this site, would support a military invasion of Iran to remove the threat of Iranian nuclear weapons?

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