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August 14 - The Sound Of Settled Science
And now, Douglas J. Keenan raises serious questions about the Chinese surface station data (PDF)
Sept 16 - 19 - The World Conference on Research Integrity
The controversies surrounding the recent assessment report of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change demonstrates how research integrity is a critical issue not only for the science community, but for politicians and the society as a whole as well. In August 2007 the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) had to withdraw previous published historical climate data. The incident came after a British mathematician discovered that the sources used by the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) have disregarded the positions of weather stations, plus intentionally using outdated data on China from 1991 and ignoring revised data on the country from 1997.
Obviously the identification of the NASA data problem originated here as well. The conference communique has mixed up these rather different issues - something that might have been avoided had they invited people who were familiar with the details of these issues to the conference.
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The Chinese falsifying and lying? Noooooooo, that can't be, can it? They're so ethical after all.
/AGW KoolAid guzzler
Posted by: Doug at September 19, 2007 6:24 PMDoes this mean that the Goracle will have his Emmy reposessed? Or will they change the catagory to 'Best Fake of the Year' and allow him to keep it?
Where is Suzuki? Haven't heard from him in a while.
Do you think it's just coincidence that Chairman Mo is calling China home now? He and his pal Georgey Boy Soros are setting up their car factory there.
Check out who Al Gore was hanging with in the late 80s.
peter h
Posted by: peter helgason at September 19, 2007 6:41 PMSteve McIntyre should be the first witness called in this upcoming litigation against the Canadian Government.
The Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- An environmental group is taking the Conservative government to court for not meeting its obligations under a recently passed climate-change law.
"Friends of the Earth filed an application for judicial review in Federal Court on Wednesday, with the help of Toronto lawyer Chris Paliare and Ecojustice."
Posted by: ward at September 19, 2007 7:12 PMFOE are precisely that.
As for Steve McIntyre, are those Brits I see up North, you ol' redcoat you. It's the size of the dypthong that gives us away :^)
Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at September 19, 2007 7:34 PMIt serves China's interests to make up warming trends under the Kyoto scheme, so they make it up. No biggie here, in the dirty tricks file this is China's least dirty since everyone else is making up stuff too.
Posted by: philanthropist at September 19, 2007 7:44 PMWhy do the words "World", "European", "United" etc. suggest that incidents of organised thuggery are about to occur? I note that the link to the announcement of the "World Conference on Research Integrity" includes the paragraph
"In other words the World Conference on Research Integrity focuses on an open sore of science, taking into consideration the reality, legal and institutional aspects, as well as regional, social and psychological environments in which scientists work. It intends to be the beginning of the healing process."
This is not promising. Lies are lies; a conference on how to whitewash lies and other falsifications by
"taking into consideration the reality, legal and institutional aspects, as well as regional, social and psychological environments in which scientists work" is worse than useless.
People pay attention to the exact sciences in part because REAL scientists go to great lengths to obtain reliable data, and because REAL scientists are unforgiving of scientific fraud - regardless of "regional blah blah blah"; and have no interest in participating in "healing" with those who fall afoul of this ethos.
Some good audio files of MMGW debunker Prof. Tim Ball a climatologist from Canada who says they are Making headway in rolling back the BS Tsunami:
http://www.therightside.ca/index.php?c=listen
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at September 19, 2007 8:41 PMSo, what actually happens if we put together regional temperature graphs using only proven to be accurate monitoring stations?
It's tough to make conclusions when your data is shit.
Posted by: Common Sense at September 19, 2007 8:42 PMSpeaking of 'Withdrawn Science"
Did the NDP have a change of heart ??
Since the Quebec by-elecs ??
Cause the May and the Dion got trounced ??
[Meanwhile, the NDP has said they are no longer fixated on the issue of the Kyoto targets, but instead would like the government to commit to a more stringent environmental plan.] CP
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070919/Kyoto_lawsuit_070919/20070919?hub=QPeriod
Posted by: ron in kelowna at September 19, 2007 9:32 PM[Nonetheless, the conference forgot to invite the people responsible for exposing both the Chinese fraud and the Y2K error;]
Forgot, eh ??
Enough evidence here for a book or two --- a movie even.
Hansen, Mann, NASA, Hockey Stick, GISS cooked books, USHCN, IPCC, Maurice Strong, AIT, Nature of Things, Y2K, United Nations ....
How about AIC ----- 'An Inconvenient Conspiracy'
Posted by: ron in kelowna at September 19, 2007 10:00 PMWL Mackenzie Redux at September 19, 2007 8:41 PM
Wow, was that a comedy? Oh maybe a circus with Tim Ball as the chief clown. That guy is absolutely pathetic. With information like he’s passing on, he has no business calling himself a climatologist.
Alby, how high is the ocean now? Go measure it.
Posted by: jt at September 20, 2007 4:06 AMThe Tim Ball tapes say it all !!!
He openly refers to Suzuki and Gore as 'truth-challenged'. They do not even try to defend themselves because they cannot.
Posted by: ron in kelowna at September 20, 2007 12:07 PM
How about a citizen's coalition to sue the Liberal Party for signing Kyoto and spending billions on a fraud.
Posted by: bart at September 20, 2007 12:07 PM"How about a citizen's coalition to sue the Liberal Party for signing Kyoto and spending billions on a fraud.
Posted by: bart at September 20, 2007 12:07 PM"
Oh that I'd like to see, I'm sure the judge would be laughing as he threw it out of court.
Would love to see Chretien and Kinsella and Anderson in court trying to defend/explain how the world's climate works. And how WE control the temp --- not that gazillion degree monster out there called our sun.
Dat we hav to give $billions to Gore is a proof of a proof :)
Posted by: ron in kelowna at September 20, 2007 12:57 PM