Everyone should at least go to CaledoniaWakeupCall.com and sign a petition to McGuinty to enforce the law. He will ignore it and we'll bust him at the election day.

http://www.petitiononline.com/2509dp/petition.html

Rights to private property are not something that will be bequeathed to you by the Canadian government. Stop waiting for it to just happen. These are rights that are taken and owned and defended by force if necessary by the sovereign citizen, and you as a free person do not need anyone’s permission to exercise them.

I have to hand it to the injuns though, at least they will put their money where their mouth is and actually stand up and fight for something. Having said that it is now time to bury those cockroaches once and for all.

Just let Ontario die.It won't be missed.In fact give all Ontario and quebec to the natives,BIG improvement.

Four against one.
How noble our savages.
Somebody is going to take a bullet.

McGuinty has created the perfect circumstances for it.

Aaron, BTW the Premier is not an elected official, he is appointed by the true Sovereign, Her Royal Majesty the Queen of England.

How much longer do we have to put up with this Bull Shit? I say, ready, aim, fire. I also say not only with those involved but predominately with those that would support them. They are the same enemy within that has led us to this point.

This is a random reminder that the Blogging Tories blogroll actively supports the re-election of Dalton McGuinty and the Liberal Party of Ontario.

Blogging Tories love Indian terrorism and extortion nearly as much as they love taxes.

As a Canadian,(from BC) I am so embarrassed by the lack of rule of law in Ontario. One dead Indian and the whole country goes into to turmoil. An entire town is living under terrorist control and the government and law enforcements sit back and do absolutely nothing. Now, a man defending his property is brutally attacked. My question: How many "whitemen" will die before ANYTHING is done?
This is one of the most important issues facing Canada today and everyone is sitting back, it's not in my back yard...
To follow a letter I copied from Caledonia Wake Up Call:

Mr. Premier:

You may not know or care but a man was attacked by natives in Caledonia today in his own house. This man may not live tonight.

Your policy of non-action has likely now cost a life of an individual who wanted nothing but to build a new home for himself and his family.

If it wasn't time up until today for you to step in and end these senseless occupations by Six Nations natives of developments in this Province it is now.

Mr. Premier, get off your comfortable ass and deal with this situation and deal with it now.

Since Land Management and Land Titles is the responsibility of the Province I want no longer to hear your stupid comment that it is Federal responsibility.

You control deeds, land management and the OPP and it is high time that you now find the spine to deal with an issue that has been yours from the beginning.

If there was no reason to come to Caledonia so far I think we now have a situation that warrants you coming here and apologizing to the citizens of this fine town.

I expect you likely will not respond to this message because that would mean you would actually have to deal with a real issue in this Province.

Resident of Caledonia

When I read this I was absolutely disgusted, not surprised, but disgusted. Have we become so afraid of being called "culturally insensitive" or whatever the buzzword is that we simply get out of the way of any conflict with "differently cultured" peoples?

I applaud the contractor for standing up for his rights even though the OPP are too cowardly to do their jobs. Despite what politicos tell the OPP they still must uphold the law. Allowing these Indians to run roughshod over the rights of Canadians is going to end up one way and one way only; with a white man in jail for defending himself from similar attacks by these savages.

I think it is high time Canadians started employing similar tactics in dealing with savages. We should blockade roads into and out of reserves in huge numbers and begin taking back what is rightfully ours. The aggressive attacks of these Indians have forfeited their rights to any treaties that were signed in the past and we should endeavour to reclaim all the lands of Canada for Canadians treated equally despite skin color.

If it had been a white person hitting an unconscious native in the head the MSM's would have covered it differently.

Racist white supremacists brutalize unconcious first nations person!

The reason they do this is because the MSM's are racist.

Otherwise you could just plug in different pieces to the same headline.

Hell they haven't covered Belgium yet.

Sure as hell would have if some christian councillors had ordered this done to pro immigration representatives.

I think we should give the CIA the names of the Ontario residents who support McGuinty and by extension support terrorists.

There is absolutely no wiggle room: if you support McGuinty you support terrorism.

I think it is only fair to notify our allies south of the border of the millions of terrorist supporters in our midst - who should be banned from entering not only the USA but any other country save for North Korea and Cuba due to their explicit support of terrorism.

I think it's high time we deal with the politicians with the similiar tactics.

I have signed the petition.

There are 31 names on there.

We need a few more folks...

This crime is the direct result of the fact that these renegades know that in Dolton McSlimey's Onterrible Native criminals/gangsters/racketeers have a Get-out-of-jail-free card signed by the premier.

Two tiered justice in action. If Ontraians stand for this dual standard law enforcement, they are as complicit in the crime as McGuinty.

These criminals will go back to "occupied land" and they know they will never see arrest.

Allowing these Indians to run roughshod over the rights of Canadians is going to end up one way and one way only; with a white man in jail for defending himself from similar attacks by these savages.

Exactly. And that is the absolute injustice of the whole thing, for there is no way police would be taking the hands-off approach they have to date if non-natives carrying out any of the tactics employed by Caledonia natives. That roadblock of native reserves you alluded to, johnboy, ain't gonna happen. The police would SMACK DOWN any white folk who took part. Indians can dig up a frikin' road and beat a contractor senseless and they do nothing.

The concept of any nation besides Canada existing within Canada is what has brought us to this point. We now know that multiculturalism inevitably breeds ghettoization and cultural segregation and exclusivity. I don't know why we are continuing with "the experiment" any further given the disastrous effects being encountered worldwide. Are we so arrogant as to believe we will not suffer the same fate in time?

Amazing. Problem is that Canadians assume that Government is the solution. It clearly is not and has abdicated its most important responsibility: protection of its citizens. Now just try and protect yourselevs from these terrorists! You have no rights to possess arms for defence......good luck. The perps will never be caught.

Quite honestly I don't know how the sane people in Ontario can stand it.

McGuinty is a slimy sleazy politician, and he'd rather let certain citizens in Ontario rot rather than risk his chances of reelection.

He is the last person on earth I'd want on my side in a battle.

"I could probably raise some money for an armed insurrection."

It's seems to me that the natives have got the jump on you there. It needs putting down.

Interstingly enough, had this story had a differnt end result, there is no doubt the older contractor would be gooned by the police and crown prosecutor for defending himself.

I bet there were plenty of tools around the construction area that would have served him well as a defensive weapon. If six punks had attepted to attack me armed with 2X4s, there would be a few of them in hospital with nail gun wounds and the rest would have saw cut.

I'll take my chances with the empathy of 12 peers...but I'll be damned if I will sacrifice myself to some dystopian experiment in disarming civilian self defense. Some one comes at me he better realize his life is at risk....these punks had NO FEAR of their victim because they realize the state had made him a perfect victim who is not allowed to respond to criminal attack by natives criminals.

Well I am in. If anyone wants to seriously finance it, I will personally raise a private force and turn the tables on the Six Nations and the Queens government (McGuinty), by invading and permanently occupying their land.

We would seize the entire reserve and establish a free and sovereign Canadian beachhead, and enclave of free enterprise if you will, and defy anyone to stop it.

Hey you guys. Don't you know that white people talking about defending themselves is a crime in Canada?

Tone down the rhetoric. If you wish to make statements that encourage violence, start your own blog..

Cmon Kate, If you dont like the answer then dont ask the question.

Constable Wright would not say whether the attack was linked to the land dispute, but said the OPP are "conducting a criminal investigation into the situation and all angles will be looked at."

Yeah, especially the ones that will get the Injuns off any possible hook, blame it on the 'Daygos' and make themselves look like a bunch of "Dudley Do Rights in the process".

Ontario has become nothing more than a repository for cynical laughter from Western Canada.

Toss McGuinty out for who? Tory? HA! Let's face it he'll be no different on this issue, so let's get that holiday in February and prepare ourselves for at least 4 more years of native unrest in the Haldimand tract.

Kate, understand completely, but I hope you don't stop posting articles like this just because a few readers spoil it in the comments.

KPD - you're playing here anonymously. That makes it as likely that you're a left-wing provocateur intent on placing comments that will later be "attributed" to me, as it is that you're a bona fide commentor sharing your concerns.

The rules are clear here - play by them, or leave.

Can you not think of a more practical alternative in this post-911 world, KPD, pretending for a moment you aren't a left wing troll abusing the open comment privileges here? Here are a few off the top of my head:

-Boycott Ontario campaign: create website and buy advertising telling people not to buy Ontario products, invest in Ontario, or visit Ontario.

-Boycott advertisers in Ontario media that support terrorism eg Globe and Mail, Toronto Star.

-"Atlas Shrugged" strike - white males should stay home for a week and watch how the province breaks down without us.

Kate: Regarding the upcoming election - what choice is there? It's either McGuinty's Liberals or Tory's Tories. Choose the latter and we end up with taxpayer subsidized madrassas. I plan on sitting this one out - although I may vote in the referendum. A pox on all of them.

Ok fair enough Kate, as I respect and admire you.

My name is Kerry Donnelly and I live in Hollywood, Florida.

I am a political refugee from the Socialist State of Canada. My e-mail address is towerpro@comcast.net

Unlike many I am willing to back up my rhetoric with real action and by that I don’t mean signing meaningless petitions ala Hans Brix intended for elite governmental kleptocrats. I welcome and encourage communications with like-minded freedom loving Canadian patriots everywhere.

Not anonymous anymore.

Andrew I find your comment interesting, I have boycotted everything ontario and quebec for probably 20 years now.

I respect and admire you too, Kate.

Signed,
Morgan Fairchild
Brentwood, CA
gilfhottie1949@gmail.com

The politics being played out in Ontario are IMO the lowest I've ever witnessed. What passes for leadership in the minds of the sheeple of that province is a joke and a disgrace.

Even if John Tory is a fool he has yet to be shown as the kind of lying, incompetent, corrupt corksoaker that McGuinty is. These liberals need and deserve to wiped off the political map and more.
Tory is nothing better than the lesser of two evils...... but that's a big improvement over McGuinty.

I still believe that the people of Caledonia and every other law abiding citizen in Ontario should be able to take the Government and the OPP to court over this!

Interesting point Andrew but why the self flaggelation? Why punish the good folk of Ontario?

How about simply boycotting the Indian casinos and not submitting taxes and tribute to the big bad government instead?

This is one of many reasons why I moved out of Canada years ago.

Try it guys and gals, you'll like it.

Warren Kinsella is trying to put his own spin on the Chin fiasco. This is getting rather pathetic.

However satisfying it would be to go in guns blazing to reclaim ones legally owned property, you'd be very unlikely to enjoy it after you eliminated the terrorist occupiers. In theory a jury could find you innocent but expect the government to vigorously prosecute and make an example out of you. Look at how aggressively the Ontario government is going after Bruce Montague for refusing to register his legally owned firearms while ignoring much more egregious violations of the firearms laws at Caledonia.

The way to make governments listen is to cut off their funding and a tax revolt would be a much better means of dealing with the situation. Canadians have a constitutional right to security of the person and this security is supposed to be provided by police forces which are funded by taxes. At this point the residents of Caledonia are being denied their right of being secure in their own homes and this would be a very good reason to stop paying taxes to the Ontario government.

Under anti-terrorism laws in Canada it is illegal to fund a terrorist organization. The Caledonia occupiers meet all the criteria for a terrorist organization. The OPP is effectively serving as a security force for the Caledonia terrorists and thus is a part of this terrorist organization. Another reason to withhold ones taxes.

For those who are self-employed it is a simple matter to not pay taxes. If a large enough group of people did this it would get the governments attention. My guess is that the anti-terrorism legislation would be the most likely approach to succeed legally, but then I'm no lawyer.

kpd's comments seem to flirt with hate speech laws in my opinion.

* Public incitement of hatred . Every one who, by communicating statements in a public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of [a crime].

* Wilful promotion of hatred . Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of [a crime].

Just a note here on what to say when you write your MP or MPP. This was taught to me by a political Party I belonged to back in the 80's, a mainstream party.

First,tone down the vitriol, make it businesslike, not a rant. Absolutely no swearing, the minute a Party worker sees swear words, the letter goes in the trash.

Make sure you mention that you WERE a supporter of the person you are writing to, but can no longer continue to support him due to.......

There's a mathematical formula political parties have figured out, can't remember the exact details, but they calculate that for every letter written, there are 100 disgruntled voters who didn't bother to write. So your one letter carries a lot more weight than you think.

One thing that really unsettles a politician is if you were a member of his Party, and send him your membership card with the letter, announcing your resignation from the Party.

Again , they know that for every letter writer, there are lots who feel the same way, but didn't bother to write.

I feel sorry for the people of Ontario, who seem to have no real choices in the upcoming election, they can vote Liberal, or liberal. Either way, the end result will be the same.

If voters cannot elect a Party which will uphold the laws of the Country, what is the sense of voting? You can see why, in the U.S., there are so many "citizen's militias". They may be a radical response to mistrust in government, but in the case of Caledonia, who could blame the citizens if they did take the law into their own hands, as they obviously can't trust the government to uphold the laws.

Andrew I find your comment interesting, I have boycotted everything ontario and quebec for probably 20 years now.

Yeah, we all noticed and really gave a damn. There are entire self-help groups dedicated to helping us deal with the loss,the misery and the rejection.

So Ontarioians are allowed the choice of: Institutionalizing foreign jihad schools on our dime.
or
Kleptocracy that aids our own dropout class of terrorists.

Has Tory mentioned "Caledonia" "natives" or "2 X 4's"?

So Jeffie, what does beating a guy into a coma flirt with?

For my money KDP is either a lefty agent provocateur or a mental defective. Possibly both, the two are not mutually exclusive.

However for Jeffie to come on here and start throwing his "hate speech law" weight around is just classic Toronto liberal.

A guy got beat half to death in his own house by punks yesterday Jeffie. Cops are, at this moment, PROTECTING THE PUNKS as they continue trashing the guy's house.

Meanwhile, so far as the larger Canadian media is concerned this situation will not be worth mentioning until a -native- gets beat half to death, or there's a full scale firefight between cops and natives.

Go f--- you hat Jeffie.

There will be thousands of signatures under this petition soon. I see all my colleagues signing as the day goes on - the word is spreading.

I do not hold my breath about McSquinty acting upon this - no, it will be used as a shovel to bury the lieberals at the election.

"Posted by: jeff davidson at September 14, 2007 11:49 AM"

OK, who had jeff at 11:49 in the "pick the racebaiting loser and what time he shows up in a politically incorrect thread" pool?

Hey Jeff: I "HATE" your rectal-cranial apologising...."flirt" with that hate speech. ;D

I don't like people that beat unconscious contractors with 2X4's as much as other people.

Does that avoid hate speech enough for ya Jeffie??

Wow how original. Leftard arguments go like this...

Waaaaah! Hate speech!!!
Waaaaah! Racism!!!
Waaaaah! Neo-cons!!
Waaaaah! KKK!
Waaaaah! Give me some more of your money!

This event is a gift to John Tory (I mean no offense to the injured man), and if he has any intelligence he will run with it.

However, I agree with an earlier post that said McGuinty and Tory are pretty much the same. It's one of those elections that will make little difference, although I'd love to see McGuinty lose anyway.

As for the individuals suggesting boycotts with Ontario or warfare with the natives, get a grip and get some perspective! All that is required is that the police do their jobs, and it's not the police themselves who are at fault, it's their political masters.

sf. I disagree with you that the police are helpless. They should be enforcing the law with no regard to the will of political masters. The police force should not be a tool of politicians to be used to circumvent Canadian laws when it suits their needs. Let the police make an arrest/prevent beatings/killings etc and then I'd like to see a politician and or judge overrule that officers arrest of an individual.

Marie Trainer, Mayor of Haldimand County was just interviewed on CBC1. She reported that Mr. Gualtieri was moved to a Toronto hospital. Sounds like he is still in bad shape but stable. No word on any arrests.

If only Tory did not pull a zumbo on us with his faith based school funding, he'd be an Okay leader. I'd vote for him just for a change. McPansy has to go, that is not a question and never has been.

I am not buying the idea that police are not at fault here. They have sworn to uphold the law, no one was pushing them to arrest Gary M and they could have at least arrested and charged the most violent criminals and let the courts and crown to sort that out. What I am hearing on the audio tapes released recently, is reluctance to do something. Why don't they dispute the orders, why don't they go public if that's against their principles? Because it is not! I yet have to hear about a rank and file cop speaking out against the cowardly orders given to them by their superiors.

How could one possibly equate defending property, family and what is rightfully yours with your own life with mental derangement?

Didn't the Soviets and ChiComms declare people insane just to squelch free speech?

Does a homeowner who fatally shoots a burglar qualify as mentally deranged or as a lefty troll?

Speech is speech. Hate speech is just a fig leaf for the communist stifling of the open exchange of thoughts and ideas no matter how repugnant they may be to others.

And as far as the incitement of hatred, in the words of a great Canadian Mike Myers, Boo Frickity Hoo. Got an issue, get a tissue!

Does a patriotic soldier who guns down a Taliban dog qualify for psychriatic evaluation and subsequent hospitalization?

CTV says:

"Thursday's occupation was set to end peacefully when the altercation with Gualtieri began. His co-workers blame aboriginal youth for provoking the incident while they claim they were just defending themselves.

Aboriginals said they occupied the site because developers had not followed up on a promise to learn more about their new development protocols. Traditional chiefs at Six Nations say anyone planning to build in the area needs native approval. "

And of course by "protocol" they mean "hand over the cash".....

The statement.... Police will be cautious in inforcing it because their "PRIORITY IS TO AVOID CONFLICT" Who does that leave to deal with conflict and why pay the police if they won't??? Joanne Kinsella is pathetic.

Interviewing the local residents here and there in Niagara region, I cam to a conclusion, that the occupiers are playing with fire. Even before the Brantford and the latest beating, the common sentiment towards the protesters was 'just shoot them'. I wonder what feelings the people have now?

Please do not blanket blame all Central Canadians ---- I know many, and virtually without exception, and they are terrific people.

It is the Central Canadian Media that is the problem.

If Canadian citizens got on their knees and begged the Premier of Ontario to uphold the rule of law like it used to be, then perhaps the Big Man would listen?

Obviously he doesn't have to - he has lots of money and powerful friends - but he may still have a soft side?

Serious questions, guys: By what authority did the protesters occupy the development? Who sanctioned it? And if it wasn't the Courts, then why aren't the natives being arrested for trespassing?

Mark, the natives will NOT be arrested precisely because they are NATIVES, blessed, sacred, politically correct, victimized NATIVES, who can do no wrong

From the beginning I have watched with disgust the unfolding of events in Caladonia. McGuinty is a cowardly disgusting promise breaking liar and Ontario needs him to go down do defeat in this election. Whatever John Tory's weaknesses are, he can't do any worse and might even do a lot better for this province. Thanks for giving this incident the attention it deserves.

Authority?
AUTHORITY?
You gotta be kidding!
They did it by brazen criminal force.

Okay, the chief Brant was not a legitimate representative of Mohawk when he sold the land, let's assume that for a moment. But the only way to resolve that situation in a civilized society is to go to court and get judge to issue a verdict.

They are terrorists by definition, starting from the Traditional chiefs council or however it's called and ending with young criminals who overrun the protest site so that even the cheifs are scared to be there. What is happening is not authorized by any legitimate entity in Canada.

the UN protocal that the lefts would have us sign would give equal status to first nations as to Canada. perhaps we should have signed it, look like right now townfolk of Caledonia are second class to the first nations.

The federal government has stated with no uncertainty that this is not a valid land claim.
They have also stated that it is a provincial matter.
Until the province leader admits he cannot handle the situation and ASKS the federal government to help - the federal government cannot interfere.
Up until now McGuinty has only blamed the federal government, and implied they should fix it - but not allowing them to by any means except at the negotiating table (ie pay enough $$ that it goes away for awhile).
With any luck a new leadership for the province would actually ask the federal government to take over the issue, and resolve it.
Until that happens, things will only continue to escalate.

Mark Peters, one of the problems the provincial "negotiators" is having re. their "negotiations" with the Douglas Creek Estates occupiers is that they are a leaderless rabble. There is no one in a position of power to represent the occupiers at the table. One guys says something one day, next day he's not there and some other guy says something completely different.

The group that is trying to charge builders for "permits" this last couple of weeks has nothing to do with any legally constituted governance on the reserve, they're just a bunch of guys "defending their land claim".

You know, the really sad thing about this is I don't even blame the natives! These are criminals moving into a power vacuum created by Dalton McGuinty, the run of the mill 6 Nations guy has zip to do with it.

They call 4 "youths" beating a 56 year old to the point of hospitalization "attempted murder" where I come from.

advocate action you'r a hate monger. when the hell will canadians get a spine. words do not cut it.

action in a sense police or military action, the history of DCE occupation screams of 'action'!

Mayor traunor has assempbled a committee of mayors from the Grand River communities and they are off to Ottawa to get some action against Dolton's dawdling on the issue od defendinng deeded proeprty and municipal jurisdiction.

This is just wonderful ...the whole DCE-Mohawk Mafia-2 tiered justice-native crime inaction is going to blow up on McSlimey during the election campaign....I can see Harper cabmins hogging his news bites nightly with statements about the feds having to take action to support deeded property owners because McSlime ignored their pleas and his responsibility.

A delicious get even opportunity for Harper.

This whole situation is pathetic. I will not vote for the weasel McGuinty. I will hold my nose and vote for Tory. I do not go along with publicly funding religious schools, but maybe just maybe the provincial government will be able to get a handle on what is taught in some of those schools. Maybe safer for the children of Canada to be in public schools with the immigrant children from the ME attending there own schools. After what happened in Russia wouldn't you agree it be better for them to attend their own little schools. Just trying to reason out what is making John Tory tick.

Phantom -- thanks for the extra detail.

I actually think the natives are doing what we've taught them, which is simply that there are no repercussions for natives who commit crimes, such as assault. Had the law been applied during the first Caledonia uprising this never would have come to the fore.

...you know Caledonia may become a footnote in Canadian history after vigilante squads start showing up because the OPP didn't.

These were not "youths".
Eyewitnesses who saw the occupiers enter, and endured their venomous slurs directed at the "non-natives" clearly state the ages of the majority of people there were mid-20's to mid 30's.
These are adults.

Mark, the most important thing that can be said about this DCE affair in Caledonia and the new blocking of contractors in Hagersville, Brantford and Dunville is that "natives" have nothing to do with it.

This is organized crime. Lefties, Liberals and Mohawk Warrior Society spokes-swine would like you to think this is all about racism, land claims and the poor downtrodden Indian.

Nuh uh. This is about the expansion of organized crime that began with cigarette and dope smuggling and is now trying to branch out into casino gambling. The Douglas Creek Estates is next to Highway #6. This is where they want the casino. The principals involved lost every court case they filed regarding land claims on the property. Then they were outbid by the developer for the property. So they just TOOK it. They being a large number (like a couple hundred)of Mohawk Warrior Society punks from other reserves and from New York, NOT Six Nations reserve residents. Yeah sure, some local pukes were in on it. They didn't make it happen, they were along for the ride.

Additionally, the local government of the reserve ruled against casino gambling, the "natives", aka everyone living on the reserve, didn't want gambling. That local government body is now very quietly staying out of sight.

McGuinty knows all this. He's playing it as a stick to hit Stephen Harper with. He will not take any action against any "native" group so long as he can play this game against Ottawa.

Incidentally, the DCE site has been fortified. Lotsa concrete went in there, lotsa "archaeological digs" were done (with stolen back hoes) that oddly resemble slit trenches. AK-47s are on site, we know that for sure because somebody (a local reserve kid, figures) already got shot with one. What else they might have in there, one can only guess.

I don't think it is possible to overstate the seriousness of this situation. We have one casualty now and a provincial police force that seems quite happy for this to be the first of many. There's an excellent chance a bunch of people are going to die here, all because Dalton McGuinty is playing politics instead of doing his friggin' job.

Actually, in the real world, it would be called defending your property - all Ottawa has to do is prove it's claim that the property in question was sold or relinquished.... are you really a believer in the concept that the government simply "saying" something makes it so?

For your info, the RCMP maintains a gun registry in Miramichi N.B. as of last year, expanding recently.

Also, one the Mohawk warrior protesters summer '06, was Micheal Laughing. Whom earlier this year, was busted for drug smuggling near St Regis NY.

Also, Michael Laughing is a nephew of Tony Laughing, smuggling kingpin of the St Lawrence cross river smuggling rackets near Cornwall and St. Regis NY.
Tony also is involved with casino gambling in the St Regis area, and attempted to be part of the Seneca gambling operations in Buffalo.

Ken Hill of GRE (Six Nations cigarette manufacturing-Grand River)some time in the past, attempted to set up a casino in Brownsville Penn. USA, by claiming the land to be native. The residents there booted him out.

So there you go.

Actually, John Tory has said quite forcefully that there should be one rule of law for all residents of Ontario. But then those are just words. Thank you to Ron in Kelowna for pointed out to those who broadly paint Ontario residents with the same brush that it ain't true. Many of us lament what is happening but laments are only so useful. And for all you public education lovers out there; it is about time you take back control of your school board and eliminate the teaching of vice, nihilism, racism and ignorance. But that is another topic for another day. Thank you Kate for putting up with us ranters from the cesspool of Canada.

Farmerboy, most of us out west wish you folks in Ontario nothing but the best. We just get frustrated at how our hopes for a better vision in federal government keep getting dashed by the majority of voters in 416/905 country.

I don't envy you your choices in your upcoming provincial election, but surely there must be something better than McGuinty somewhere.

Good luck!

...you know, I'm not buying it's just the 416/905 'majority voters' doing this.

Remember how many people turned out across Canada a couple of elections ago? I think it was like 33%.

We are reaping what we are sowing. Don't care, don't vote, so don't complain.

Not you felis, but in general if all the Conservative voters got out, maybe just maybe we'd have a majority and not a gong show of a parliment.

...to further the thought:

If someone says "well all the Conservatives did make it out to vote", then this country is in deeper crap than we can imagine.

But I'm going off track.

Ontario, get off your butts and clean your backyard. I wish you the best, really, but just DO IT.

"If you can stomach the wretched site design,"

How true. Makes National Inquirer look like National Geographic.

One would be taken more serious if they didn't put on a Barnabum and Baily circus approach to presenting serious matters.

kpd's comments seem to flirt with hate speech laws in my opinion.

Here you have a 52 year old man almost beaten to death by some degenerate animals and you're whining about some strident rhetoric, which I find not the least bit offensive, but then again I’m not a bedwetting socialist eunuch.

Trying to vote your way to a better society is what got you into this pickle in the first place. It is no coincidence that back in the day when you had less democratic rights you also had more property rights.

If voting is the answer then the question must have been - "How do I get my hands on my neighbour's property, and around half his income, and make him pay for his kids go to a wretched school with my kids?"

Not voting, then passively - but firmly - stating to anyone in government who asks that you did not "vote" for them to take away your right of self-defense, take away your money, or brainwash your children. When their claim to ballot-box legitimacy evaporates in the face of wide-spread non-participation, then so will your Nanny government. The smaller the army of losers which votes in losers-in-chief like McGuinty, the easier you will be able to ignore them when they come around to take what isn't theirs.

John Tory is not a viable choice anyways - just another Red Tory claiming that he can run the Nanny State "smarter". I wouldn't give a loser like that the time of day, let alone the excuse of claiming that he can steal my property because I participated in a government-engineered beauty contest.

Here's a little exercise I would like all of you to perform, in the next election you face. Look up the CVs of your local candidates and the party leaders, and check what they've been up to, say, since high school. How many of them have actually accomplished any real, concrete successes, outside of government? And how many of them have been nothing but weiners for their entire adult lives, working as bureaucrat for this, adviser for that, lobbyist for something else, trustee for a public council, and so on. And if they allegedly have been so successful in the non-government sphere, they why would they be so stupid as to run for public office when it's guaranteed that nearly everyone will end up hating them? (the taxpayers for taking too much of their money, the parasites for not giving them nearly enough of other people's dough) It's a lose-lose job, which is why you find losers and shiftless no-accounts to be the most enthusiastic aspirants.

Then, scan down the top-ten bullet list of their priorities. The first one will almost always be something like this: "I promise to keep spending in line/hold taxes low/be accountable for every dollar of taxpayer money". The following nine items will be a list of new and expanded welfare programs they promise to fund. (Remember however they're not called welfare programs, they're called "urgent priorities")

If you do this little bit of research and you can honestly say that you found a non-loser candidate whose party has a non-loser leader, and whose platform is not a just another attempt to buy the votes of credulous fools, then by all means vote for them. Just don't come around picking my pockets afterwards to pay for your non-loser politicians' fuck-ups.

I saw the daughter of the man who was attacked and almost murdered. I felt so sorry for her - imagine how she feels - her Dad is found in the house he was building for her beaten to a bloody pulp on the floor.
What was this man's crime? He was conducting his business on his own property. If the government of Ontario cannot protect tax paying landowners then they must give up the status of being a province in this Dominion.
Without security of property there is no need to pay property taxes - landowners in Ontario should appeal to the Federal government to protect them against the actions of undisiplined criminals who appear to be running the show. They should insist that they pay property taxes directly to the Federal government in the absence of any kind of protection from criminals by the government they have been paying their taxes to for that specific purpose.
Stalin used the tactic- terrorization of the citizens by ruthless criminals to keep the people shrinking in their state regulated cells; then they easy to control. The first actions of the Bolsheviks, in gaining control of the Russian people was; disarm the citizens. Sound familiar?
My heart goes out to the family of victum of this wanton act of violence. The men who are responsible are of the lowest, most cowardly stamp of humanity. I would like to help that family round up the thugs. If the people of that area can corner even one of them, please do so and hold him down so that the entire family can spit on him before he is turned over to the courts where he will evade any kind of Justice.

Elect This: "found a non-loser candidate whose party has a non-loser leader, and whose platform is not a just another attempt to buy the votes of credulous fools"

...while a noble gesture, we must work with what we have, losers or not. I feel that if more people got out to vote, then possibly the elected governance would feel two things:

1. More 'wanted'.
2. More accountable/responsible.

Look at the psychology of the matter. How'd you feel knowing that less than say 33% of the populace cares enough about the country and less than that percentage even voted specifically for you or your party?

If more people voted and you won even by a slim vote count, you know in the back of your mind that more people are watching your movements.

Ontario faces a strong delemna. If what you say is true about John Tory, then Ontario still can send a signal by coming out to the voting station en masse.

But alas, this may be pie in the sky. As long as we have wage disparency (hockey players getting millions of dollars a year in salary), lame duck courts and overweight social workers - well you make the bed you sleep in.

Jema54: "If the people of that area can corner even one of them,"

This would be a sure sign society is starting to break down when vigalente squads start taking matters into their own hands, however right.

It worked back in the 1800's in the Wild West of Nevada, but this is 2007 Ontario.

Not saying the situation is correct there, but we must work within the confides of our governance.

Otherwise you'd see a full blown First Nation riot, short of another Louis Riel.

From what the view is out here, there isn't a focused and concerted group hounding the goverance at all levels to do something.

Just a barnamum and bailey circus website and maybe a handful of people actually voicing their opinions or organizing protests, our basic fundamental right as a democracy.

You are all loosing the point. Maybe too many colors, is not the issue. Gary McHale does not live in Caledonia, he is the only one that stood up and took a stand against the two tiered justice in Caledonia. Gary stepped up to the plate when all of the politicians failed the people of this town. This man was arrested for putting up a Canadian flag and spent the night in jail. Four "young thugs" beat a man nearly to death, oh, no arrests yet????? You have an OPP officer on TV telling the media that their there to keep the peace, what a bunch of bull.
Get passed the colors spends sometime reading on that site, simply some amazing stuff. Yet again try going to the video section and watch Shaune Brant's video that should get you blood pumping.
The issue here is there is a man beaten and the OPP are still doing exactly what they have been doing all along, nothing.

http://tinyurl.com/2ay7es

CTV finally has so coverage on Caledonia, only took them till early this morning. Our great National New coverage. Then you understand how this situation has gone on this long, no one cares. What about the daughter of this man??? Her Dad had justed finished this home for her to move in. I also noticed how quick the story disappeared off of National News Watch......

You're assessment is correct, Tomax. There is not a group hounding the government. There are two guys that stepped up publicly, neither of whom live in Caledonia. Gary McHale is the guy with the funny website, he's not exactly the leader type. Mark Vandermaas has Voice of Canada blog.

//voiceofcanada.wordpress.com/

Both of these guys have been to the slammer already, without charges and chucked in the paddy wagon none too tenderly either.

People in Caledonia haven't really been inconvenienced recently... except for the ones who live next to the DCE occupation. They've been getting beer bottles thrown at their houses the whole time.

So what we have at the moment is a relatively calm populace who are waiting for government to fix it like they are supposed to, with maybe 150 people whose lives are getting wrecked.

There's an interesting phenomenon happening with real estate values in the area though, they are dropping while the rest of the Golden Horseshoe climbs steadily. This is not generally known except among the real estate agents, the MSM doesn't think people need to know that.

Dalton is not going to do squat just because one middle aged carpenter got the sh1t kicked out of him. He's going to cruise along the same course, because rightly or wrongly he thinks this is going to get him re-elected.

There's not going to be any vigilante justice right now, A) because nobody is that upset and B) because residents know the OPP will be a MUCH bigger nightmare than the occupiers ever knew how to be.

The natives however are getting restless. Their "leaders" have been quite smart in keeping things confined to the DCE. But these occupier types are basically punks looking for some action. They are bored and its starting to get cold. They are no longer content to drink themselves stupid(er) every night in front of the camp fire.

Thus we have this campaign to shut down all the building sites in Caledonia, Brantford and what have you. Gives the bruisers something to do, ratchets up the pressure on Dalton to let them have their damn casino, and opens the door to a nice little protection racket in the mean time.

Problem is, small contractors are not the kind of guys who are going to bend over for this, they can't afford to for one thing. These sites are all over the place, not next to the Reserve where 300 punks can suddenly show up. Small numbers of thugs are trying to intimidate equal numbers of guys tougher than they are with more to lose. Like their pay.

We have the perfect set up for mayhem. My fervent hope is that Dalton is a lot smarter than I think he is. If not, we are going to have full hospitals for a while.

Globe and Mail has very interesting article about it today: Police stood by as man was beaten, brother says.

IF this was the case then the situation is even more serious than previously thought, I would suggest. For the police aren't intervening even when crimes are being committed in plain view. I guess there really are two laws in this land.

MaryM: "You are all loosing the point. Maybe too many colors, is not the issue. Gary McHale does not live in Caledonia"

...that's the point. While Gary is trying to do a noble job, he has a few things against him:

1. He is not from Caledonia
2. His website needs work
3. Work on the poster boy image.

(on #3, I'm just as guilty)

"I guess there really are two laws in this land."

More aptly put, there is only ONE law in this land - for whites.

Tomax: At least Gary McHale had the courage to stand up for the people of Caledonia when no one else cared. He point was two tier justice. Its not like he's making money at this, he is close to bankruptcy. My point it started in Caledonia but it really is a Canadian problem. I'm glad that you and I are on the same side! (I think..)Oh, Gary must have got the message about the colors, new page on the newest problem is on white. He is open to suggestions.

Give 'em the land.

All residents involved are welcome to emmigrate to Commonsenseland.

Wait a year, then nuke it.

Problem solved.

Firstly: Maybe we should start a petition to the Queen, Her Royal Majesty, to remove McGuinty from his post. Perhaps, better yet, contact the Queen directly via e-mail and provide links to the scanner recordings, etc.
Secondly, almost as fast as the GUALTIERI BEATING incident was posted by the media on the Yahoo Canada website, it was removed.
Thirdly, if I was Italian, I would be contacting every Italian club and Catholic church members to vote against McGuinty.
Interestingly, as an aside, since gun owners have registered their weapons with the Gun Registry, there have been break-ins and thefts from several gun owner's homes. Who has provided the leak of personal information of registered gun owners to the thieves?
Gary McHale is not from Caledonia! SO? A humanist can come from anywhere!
I've heard Fantino and McGuinty state that McHale is not from Caledonia (and, therefore, unwelcome in Caledonia) via the media and regurgitated by SOME people from Caledonia. It is irrelevant AND controlling AND all too often regurgitated without reasoning or courage applied; the same as regurgitation (of political untruths) absorbed as fact by the voters.
Blackberries are cool with their encryption capabilities....
Boycotting Ontario goods is fine. Someone wrote...'If the police were doing their jobs...' Moot point - they are not doing what many think they ought to be doing - therefore irrelevant. BOYCOTT if you want!!!!!!!
I live in Ontario and I vote to bring in John Tory and I vote to EVICT MCGUINTY!!!!!
We need a country-wide fund started and HELD IN TRUST by a reputable lawyer to start the BALLS rolling with respect to the obvious....

Property values dropping. Big surprise there.

Do MSM reporters own houses? Will they finally pay attention when THEIR properties are devalued?