Wow. Essentially, the Liberal-dominated Civil Service of Canada knew perfectly well that Canada couldn't meet its Liberal-assigned Kyoto commitments. They delivered this data to the new gov't of Harper.

However, now - Dion is saying that the data provided by the civil service is wrong. That the only reason for their making this statement was because they wanted to 'suck up to' the incoming Conservatives. That is, according to Dion, the civil service was aware of Conservative concerns about meeting these targets - and wanted to 'make nice' to the incoming Conservatives. So- the document data was false. To please the Conservatives.

Does Dion not realize what he is saying? He is accusing the civil service of being, not a professional unbiased service, but a political partisan and therefore unprofessional agency.

Equally, he is accusing the Conservatives of beingn party that rejects truth and focuses only on partisan biased rhetoric.

Now- two months before the Conservatives took power, Martin and Dion had hosted a pro-Kyoto meeting in Quebec- with both of them crowing about the wonders of Kyoto. And neither of them admitting the truth - that the Liberals had done nothing to meeting their obligations - for 10 years. Nothing. And that it was now too late.

Dion knew this. But, rather than facing the truth, he is accusing the civil service of being unprofessional partisan hacks, and accusing the Conservatives of being unprofessional ignoramus.
I think the definitions are more suitable to him and the Liberal Party.

The self proclaimed eco-hero,

was privately planning on giving up and de-ratifying Kyoto.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic............. ok, it's still pretty funny.

Dat's not fair! Do you tink it's easy to control grin ouse gaziz?

From the day Chretien came home with a signed commitment to carbon targets DOUBLE what his advisors stated we could handle, I realized the Kyoto targets issue would be an albatross to any LPC poli who wanted to push the agenda.

Interestingly enough the Harper government has been lax on getting this message out to the public...it is vital that Canadians realize that Chretien signed onto targets he KNEW we could not acheive....the idea was to appear to be leading the way, default on the targets and buy our way out with carbon credit purchases from China.

Canada's Kyoto agreement was doomed to default from the outset.

Considering all the inside information MSM was privy to over a decade from the Chretien/ Martin Libs, that negative Kyoto information never reached the Canadian citizenry.
Not really surprising when you consider that the (The Libs) were stealing taxpayers blind for their own party's benefit.
MSM sources must have known about Kyoto targets being unable to be met by Chretch's lot.
Wilful blindness or eager complicity?

ET's analysis is spot-on with my own.

I noted in my own posting on this that Dion was effectively accusing the civil service of being partisan.

I've further musing: Whether the civil service will rip him a new one for that cowardly attack is up in the air... if they don't, then the truth is that they're partisan Liberals. Just watch them...

Plus the civil service has been thumbing its nose a lot at Canada's New Government... the CRTC, Elections Canada, etc, etc... I don't recall the Liberals having any problems with civil service impudence intransigence or disobedience. Perhaps because they FEARED the Librano$, I suppose...

Yessiree Bob! Dainty li'l Stephanie done gone an' a-shot hisself in da foot again!

hypocrisy, thy name is Steffi.

Moi, I yam 'oist on mine hone petart -Borat Dion

Joe Molnar said: "Considering all the inside information MSM was privy to over a decade from the Chretien/ Martin Libs, that negative Kyoto information never reached the Canadian citizenry."

Well they did spring the trap on Chretien when he specifically went against Ralph Klein's warnings that agreeing to CO2 targets any more aggressive that what the Kyoto committee had set out. Then when Cretch came home after bragging to the UN Kyoto assembly he would gladly take on "double" the CO2 emission cuts recommended by committee, the western press went batshit over it...Klein railed against Chretien's treachery and how Alberta would purposely default on the targets because to meet them would mean the collapse of the resource industry.

The GTA and Ottawa centered media carried back page blurbs of this for a day but it was major news copy in western Canada for months.

It was even made an issue of at one of Harper's new leadership question period debates with Martin....this was the first time a politician mentioned that the Chretien Kyoto targets would be in default by the government's own admission...

So the MSM media KNEW...they just have short and selective memories...just like the Liberals who were testifying to Gomery. ;-)

Makes you wonder how they could introduce a bill in the House of Commons demanding that the government live up to our Kyoto commitments when they had prior knowledge that it was impossible and in fact were looking for an out themselves.

Nothing the liberals do surprises me anymore but the ethics or lack of in this case really disappoints me.

So Stephy is saying that if the Liberals ever get back into power he's going to fire a load of civil servants because they are supposed to be apolitical. I expect a response soon from the Liberal/progressive dominated unions on this unwarranted and mean spirited attack on the outstanding professionalism of our bereaucrats. I expect it soon.......crickets..

How does one, 'de-ratify' the "RATS" ?

This timely leak adds to the evidence that Harper is going to be playing more hardball with the Opposition Parties next session. Tom Flanagan, speaking on CTV's Question Period a couple of months ago, suggested that Harper would be taking a tougher approach this Fall.

Chantal Hebert, on CBC's At Issue Panel video, says

They're not bringing in the throne speech on the basis that they are convinced that they would lose an election. I think they are doing the throne speech in part that they feel if they can't survive this, then they would win an election. The issue is that they wouldn't win a majority. I'm starting to pick up signals that they are tempted, that they find that Dion is probably as weak as they could hope him
to be.And I think there is some resignation in the way that the Conservatives are looking at the calendar. They get the sense that Mr. Duceppe may be at the end of the rope that he has been dragging to support them.

There was also tough talk from Van Loan about letting Bill C30 die, from Baird about "submitting the paperwork" for Bill C288, from Ritz about resuming the battle with the CWB, the shots Harper took in Australia re the Senate.

So there just doesn't seem to be much compromise coming from Harper. Of course the by-election results will re-set the political landscape for all the Parties. But it looks like the odds of a Fall election are getting higher.

just checked, this important green house gas story has not reached CBCpravda or CTV(tass)

CBCpravda - all liberal, all the time.

however , they are on about not eating red meat to stop global warming. must advocate eating fish, or lets cut back the protein for the 3rd world.

come on CBC - lets have mansbridge lead with a story about Dion and the kyotocoverup. he can follow it with a nasty about stockwell day and which way the niagara river flowed. maybe a big smirk out of boag and a little anti- american rant by kneel macdonald.

what would taliban jack layton say about this coverup? surely his opinion always deserves the first interview.

The Liberals tried to hang Adscam on bureaucrats. Now Dion blames bureaucrats for with-holding this from him and having political motivations in their actions to boot.

And yet the majority of these public servants will still vote Liberal. I guess these sheeple bureaucrats are the Liberals' useful idiots?

Those good old lying liberals. Just more ammo for the next election. I am going to need twice the time per doorstep, just to cover the main talking points.

I'm kinda surprised that this is "News" .... pretty sure too that Harper and company made this known back in '06 .
Perhaps it's simply been retrieved from the memory hole?

In Dion's interview with Jane Taber:

Stephane Dion: "We put 182 nations together last December, December, 2005 at the same Palais des Congres where we had the convention last weekend. And at that time, I have been celebrated as a hero, if you allow me to say so"

Like the samaratin diving through the ice to save the drowning child,

the soldier putting life on the line for one's country,

or the firefighter entering the blaze to save the endangered baby,

Dion, the "hero".

Canada's own braveheart.

Yep...

(Jun 20, 2006) -

June 20, 2006 - OTTAWA - The Conservative government's much-criticized admission that Canada cannot meet its requirements under the Kyoto climate-change protocol is backed up by documents prepared for the new government by federal bureaucrats.

"Dion, the "hero"."

Biff, I think he pronounced it "reeho". Excuse the nitpicking, i just like to remember that quote in all its glorious stupidity.

Actually, he was celebrated as a hero. I was at that COP 11, and no one thought he could pull it off, not even the Canadian delegation. But he did.

Dislike the man and his policies all you want, but no one can take away from what he did at the COP 11.

"I'm kinda surprised that this is "News" .... pretty sure too that Harper and company made this known back in '06."

Quite true, however my point is as long as Harper or conservatives made the point MSM simply wrote it off as rhetoric and not facts that Canadians should have been made well aware of.

MSM pimping the Kyoto myth for their Liberal friends.

MSM pimping the Kyoto myth for their Liberal friends.... Joe
You think that's ever going to change?? :)

FWIW - I remember reading about this in the G&M or somewhere and that's why I googled it and the first hit I got was the one I linked to.

Hardly a buried story!
However, it's also not a story the MSM would care to bring out and dust off whenever DiDi and the gang start popping off some more BS about climate and Kyoto .... down the memory hole it goes then!

throbbin - exactly what did Dion 'pull off'? All that happened was a tautological reaffirmation of faith, by faithful followers, in kyotoism. It wasn't as if Dion actually organized the meetings or the science or the ideology.

As Dion said - 'the Kyoto Protocol has been switched on'. Huh? Nothing had been switched on in Canada.

Then he said 'a dialogue about future action has begun'. So?

And all the time, the Liberals knew that Canada would be unable to meet its Chretien-Bloated commitments.

What did Dion 'pull off'??? More obfuscation and propaganda - as an election ploy?

.....and as the bagpipes began to play, the proverbial swords were being sharpened. Life and limb would be put on the line that weekend. "Don't go out there" his wife cried in horror, "you'll be slaughtered". Though he knew the stakes, the incredible personal sacrifice that he would have to make, he forged ahead, consequences be damned. Dion, Braveheart of Canada wouldn't be deterred.

He would go forth, and like great warriors, samaritans, and others who have earned the true title of "hero" throughout this great country's noble history, so too would Dion, Braveheart of Canada join their hallowed ranks,

Dion, Braveheart of Canada, would...................... chair a meeting on the environment.

Let us bow our heads in respect for this great, great heroic man.

"The self proclaimed eco-hero,

was privately planning on giving up and de-ratifying Kyoto…”

Posted by: biff at September 13, 2007 1:11 PM

Actually it doesn't say that at all. What I suggest is you back and read that article again. This time, all the words. Please take the rest of the illiterate twits with you when you re-read it. Don’t be afraid to sound out the words.

Geez alby, you are getting very toxic. Something rubbing you the wrong way? Like, maybe, their will be no trough for all of you ecopigs? No slop for alby. PMSH gonna turn off the spigot. The trough is running dry. No double-dipping for the eco-moonbats. Awwwwww, so very sad. All the eco-retards gonna have to work at Timmy's. Make mine a medium double-double, will ya leftard?

The mark of a true idiot is not that they do stupid things. We all do stupid things occasionally.

No, the -true- idiot is the one who does the same stupid thing every single time, and resists all efforts at making him stop. No matter how badly it turns out, no matter how badly they get burned, no matter who else gets hurt.

Liberal voters, for example.

Has everyone forgotten the rabid pro-Kyoto stance Osama Bin Laden has recently declared???

If CO2 emissions are so globally warming, what about the WATER the same chemical oxidation creates? Water has the capacity to hold much more thermal energy than CO2, yet no one ever talks about the WATER excreted by the tailpipes of civilization.

Let Dion and every other leftist marry themselves to this ideology proven more failed than socialism, I say...

"Water has the capacity to hold much more thermal energy than CO2, yet no one ever talks about the WATER excreted by the tailpipes of civilization..."

Posted by: Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man at September 13, 2007 4:57 PM

Actually they do, learn the science behind the warming. Pay particular attention to positive feedbacks.

Actually they do, learn the science behind the warming. Pay particular attention to positive feedbacks.

Oh I almost forgot
"Has everyone forgotten the rabid pro-Kyoto stance Osama Bin Laden has recently declared???"

Well now that sounds somewhat ridicules.
So what you are saying is because Bin Laden endorses Kyoto then Kyoto must therefore be bad.
Let's put this in perspective. Hitler loved dogs. Kate, anything to add?

Aluminum production is very energy intensive. What material is going to substituted for the tinfoil that dreamy eyed Liberals wear on their heads (to keep safe from George Bushs' Star Wars machines).

Ridiculous even!

Of course the silly service will vote Liberal, (if they want to keep their jobs and get their kids into the public trough- many of them got their jobs through liberal connections in the first place!

Can you spot the difference? I can't spot the difference. What is the difference between a Tory a Whig?

alby

I guess the difference is that dogs are real, and Kyoto is a political ideology. Much like Islam.

Ummmmmmm...school must be out and the retirement card games at the old folks home are over. Oh well.

Mansbridge is interviewing Borat on CBC right now, he is saying he wants their Kyoto bill in the throne speech, Mansbridge ducks and runs away without quizzing him about the latest revelations on what he knew or didn't.
Quell surprise.

I don't, for a Puffin turd hiding nanosecond, believe that the Puffin/Dipper crowd ever intended to even try to meet the Kyoto targets. It was never about the environment it was about carbon taxes - the taxes geared to immobilize production and wealth in all G7 countries. Kyoto was invented by the leftard social programmer of hidious infamy - 'Uncle Mo' to all Puffin insiders - he was not interested in anyone's health - he is interested in mega dollars to enable he and his ilk to have Absolute global control.

Adscam was a trial run for the Puffin crooks - the real source of New Wealth for the Bolshevik human haters was to be Kyoto cash credits. Uncle Mo lost his pal Sadam to the rope - no more cheap oil for cash via the UN - next - tax the temperature! That was the hidden agenda all Canadians short circuited by electing a Conservative government in the last election.

Electing a Prime Minister who refuses to impose a tax on the weather is the only right thinking thing this country has done in many years, IMO. I like the PMs attack on pollution. Warm weather is wonderful, pollution is distructive. The Puffins had no plan to tax pollution - this should speak volumes as to the nature of those birds.

Re. ok4ua at September 13, 2007 6:02 PM

You can tell a Tory by the protruding brow ridge and the calluses on the knuckles.

And this is the next Kyoto Kult, eco-fanatic driven scam to bit the dust. And will bite the Suzuki Gore followers in the investment-ass. Both in dollars and careers;

[Governments need to scrap subsidies for biofuels, as the current rush to support alternative energy sources will lead to surging food prices and the potential destruction of natural habitats, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development will warn on Tuesday.]Financial Times

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e780d216-5fd5-11dc-b0fe-0000779fd2ac.html

If Mansbridge, Taber and all let Dion off the hook on this civil service revelation, we then know, proof positive, that there is a media conspiracy in Canada.

Chretien's advisers should also be held to account. Even if they are busy stiring the shit from hell in Ontario.

Does Dion not realize what he is saying?

ET, my experience is that people of dubious qualifications/questionable intentions often attribute to others their own shortcomings. Witness the global warming radicals' foaming-at-the-mouth accusations that the other side is "unscientific" and "fails to grasp obvious 'facts'".

You can tell that the albatros is related to the Puffin in that they also hide their own excrememt.

Curiously, "They are scavengers feeding on carcasses of dead whales and seals and are known to pick up any floating items such as wallets with cash."

LIEberals and ethics are mutually exclusive concepts.

"...wallets with cash" Theres also a history of stuffed envelopes. But I digress.

What we really really really need is a picture of Dijon eating a hot-dog with a knife and fork.

Has Election poster/poseur written all over it.

What I find most hypocritical is that the Liberals are now backing that ridiculous Bill that forces the government to come up with a plan to meet Kyoto protocols. I also believe that much of the pro-Kyoto posturing has its roots in anti-Conservativism. I think that the whole "save the environment" schtick would scarcely exist except for the left (and cooperative media) determining that the environment was Harper's Achilles heal. Fortunately at this point, I think the general public is getting a bit tired of the "catastrphic" climate change issue. And I think that Harper has not done a bad job of fending off the zealots/hypocrites).

...much of the pro-Kyoto posturing has its roots in anti-Conservativism...

Some people that lack direction define themselves as "not being" something that is popularly seen as being "bad" (I'll leave it up to the reader as to what shapes popular opinions). That's a pretty sad state of self-perception/existence and opens up the opportunity for others to manipulate such weakness.

I'm not sure that education will work for some of the more useful idiots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

Speaking of Puffins, wonder where Puffin Iggy is these days, off to Boston to look for work?

Training Puffins to hide Liberal poop?

We know Garth! Turner is off on a flying trip through the West, very official, wife along, what the message is we don't know for sure. Good guess may be all about the poor seniors who lost money over the Income Trust descision, emphasis on the poor! It may be a good guess his appearances weren't any better attended than Dion's this summer, nary a mention from the minions in the MSM.

Nice they even have the Dead/stuffed and animated Osama on side with Kyoto. How in touch is he?