*
Stephane, you dont have to put up the white flag
Those days are over
You dont have to sell your body to the night
Stephane, you dont have to wear that dress tonight
Walk the streets for money
You dont care if its wrong or if its right

*

My greatest fear of sending the vandoos into Afghanistan is that they would do as their European ancestors are want to do in a tight military situation.

Is this man showing them the way?

CRB

"A'm unawmed"

(appologies to cal2)

Reminds me of the olde joke:

FOR SALE: French rifles . . . never fired, only dropped once.

Dion makes statement during the rally to celebrate Quebecs Bill 101
Dion says: Bill 101 is a great Canadian Law

"My greatest fear of sending the vandoos into Afghanistan is that they would do as their European ancestors are want to do in a tight military situation."

CRB, you should be ashamed of yourself for this disgusting statement. The Vandoos is a regiment with a long and storied fighting history. They *want* to be in Afghanistan. How dare you call them cowards? Who the hell do you think you are saying such a thing?! What kind of scumbag mocks our brave troops serving in harms way?

Here's the part that got me chewing the rug:

"I don’t play politics on the backs of the tragedies and the victims that are growing,”

In the words of Colonel Henry Potter, "Horse Hockey". What a crock of S**T!

Is it just me or does it seem a Quebec soldiers life has more value than the other Canadian soldiers?

"My greatest fear of sending the vandoos into Afghanistan is that they would do as their European ancestors are want to do in a tight military situation."

That comment is best made from the safety of "Blog-Land" and never to be made to any Royal 22nd member or anyone that has served with them.

The Royal 22nd is a great regiment and takes second place to no one on the planet.

Pat

This is so rich. To avoid playing politics with soldier's deaths, they play politics. And think we are too stupid to see it.

Quebec politicians disgust me.

Canadian and NATO troops in theatre, and their families: what you are doing is necessary, and I am thankful for your sacrifices, on behalf of my children, and their future children.

Blackroc: Sad but true.

Does anyone have a list of the Canadian regiments that have been in Afghanistan?

The reason I ask is that there are numerous "famous" Canadian Military regiments. But in the media I only hear the Vandoos referred to as "famed."

When the Pats were over there were they referred to as the "famed" Pats by the media?

How about the "famed" Royal Canadian Regiment?

There's quite a list of "famed" Canadian regiments with distinguished pedigrees. None of which get the recognition or attention that the media doles out to the Vandoos.

I'm more inclined to agree with JWestphal than CRB, but I would like to see, at least once a media item about Les Van Doos where their name is not prefaced by "legendary", "famous", or some other such word. If they are famous its because they were one of the few French Canadian regiments that did fight.

the list of Regiments that have served in Afghanistan is very long. The MSM goes about the 3 Infantry Regiments - PPCLI, RCR & VanDoo's, but hardly ever lists all the other troops' regimental affiliations.

Many, many reservists have served with and are serving within these regiments. And then there are the Armour, Artillery and Engineer's, the Comms, Supply, Admin, Medical, Provost . . . . the list goes on. We have Navy and Air Force personnel also serving . . .

I believe this is a picture of Stephane Dion surrendering to the the Taliban and the Parliamentary Press Gallery.

What else would one expect from Tonda McCharles and fellow travellers like Jim Travers at the Star?

Stephane Dion finally admits they don't know why they sent troops into harms way. What else would one expect from LIEberalism?

Its just like my 19 year old son said in his essay on our erstwhile LIEberal government, quoting Mussolini:

"The truth is, men have grown tired of liberty."

The hypocrisy of their position is staggering.

'In the words of Colonel Henry Potter, "Horse Hockey"'

Isn't it Colonel Sherman Potter? I think he's the one that would say "Horse Hockey".

I share your sentiment.

Why pick on France?

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2727140920070827?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

France is one of the good guys now.

And with Britain, they're one of only two European NATO countries to meet the NATO target of ≥ 2% GDP on military spending.

Now, she wants to do more.

I wonder if the Canadian MSM would use the word 'famed' for any regiment if they understood that word meant that they had killed more of the enemy than they of our soldiers..

Hans Rupprecht, right, it's hypocrisy of the first order and it's name is Lieberal.

Mr. Dion says he has a plan. Like hell. His plan is to fly by the seat of his pants, critique everything Harper does and remember nothing about what went down under his Mentor, Chretien's regime.

The brave Opposition Parties are all threatening to take down the Government over Afghanistan, let them go ahead.
Support for the mission hasn't changed but the crap keeps flowing from the media.
Stephi says he would never try to gain political points on the backs of dead soldiers but seems the lot of them are doing just that.

Yeah, lets go to the polls.

Nice picture, looks like he crapped himself.

The worst is the CBC reporting, they said "two more QUEBEC soldiers were killed. These guys are not fighting under the Quebec flag, it's CANADA's flag.

The other soldiers all were called CANADIAN soldiers no matter which province they came from.
Folks, why do we put up with those boors?

There is a great editorial in today`s National Post re Citoyen Dion and cohorts....the Post has them pegged...a must read!

Re: "My greatest fear of sending the vandoos into Afghanistan is that they would do as their European ancestors are want to do in a tight military situation."

& Pat at August 27, 2007 1:07 PM: "That comment is best made from the safety of "Blog-Land" and never to be made to any Royal 22nd member or anyone that has served with them."

I'll second Pat here. Does anyone else see the irony of someone posting, most likely from the safety of their (parent's?) home, inferring Quebec soldiers currently fighting (and dying) for CANADA in Afghanistan are cowards?

Unless you're posting from the war zone "Boudicae" and "CRB", then I'd say YOU'RE THE COWARDS. Disgusting. Revolting. Give your head a shake.

If they don't want to go they should have quit the military, the mission started 4/5 years ago.

"I don’t play politics on the backs of the tragedies and the victims that are growing,”

In the words of Colonel Henry Potter, "Horse Hockey". What a crock of S**T!

indeed because of gamilgharbi a tragedy we got gun control.

I have to take back 1000 words I said re the star that is a great pic.

LOL,

Re: Posted by: DrWright | August 27, 2007 2:43 PM
"If they don't want to go they should have quit the military..."

Don't want to go??? They're there now! Those guys are heroes!!! They asked to go! Don't you get it? Again, they are heroes!!! Are you getting shot at for Canada? Or driving over terrain where bombs are buried? Or loading your fellow soldiers bodies on planes back home?

Come on people!

I have to agree with those who will not condone insults aimed at the vandoos. It seems to me like they know what needs to be done and they're doing it at great risk to their own safety, It's not their collective fault that the politicians use their sacrifices for personal gain or that the msm have forgotten what unbiased journalism is.

They have put themselves in harm's way to do a job. They are from Quebec. Quebec is part of a united Canada. GO, CANADA!!!

I expect the Vandoos are happy campers because they FINALLY get to go and do what they've been training their whole careers for. Real live bad guys to shoot at and stuff you can blow up. Hell, they even get vehicles younger than they are. Woo, and brand new TANKS to play with!

Its like the friggin' Olympics of Canadian soldiering. Bet your ass they want to be there.

I wouldn't want to be Layton or Dion left alone with that lot. Sharp words would be the least of it.

Homer Simpson called the people of France "Cheese eating surrender Monkeys". I didn't think he meant French people in general. However, we shall wait and see.

color of the French naval flag ?
White

Number of gears on a French Army tank ?
six . . 5 forward and 1 reverse in case of attack from the rear.

First thing a French recruit is taught in boot camp?
See the above picture

The Laytons and Dions are on autopilot when it comes to the issue of the 22nd regiment.

Today, there is NO conscription into the Canadian Armed Forces.

It is a totally volunteer force.

What business is it of theirs that an individual has made a free choice to sign up?

At the very least, they are fighting ghosts of the past.

Actually, Albertaman, it was Groundskeeper Willie: "That's BonJOURRRRR, you cheese eating surrender monkeys!", and yes, I watch way too much TV. :)

Re: Fred "color of the French naval flag ?
White"

So when are you signing up to fight, Fred?

The picture is, possibly, from Dion's speech in teh Maritimes - where he flip flops- and says that even though, when he was a Minister, he rejected allowing Newfoundland and Nova Scotia keeping their offshore revenues without equalization clawbacks - because it is unfair - he is now saying that because Harper is saying this...he's now flipped. He'll allow them to keep both their offshore and all their equalization 'when he is Prime Minister'.

Remember, he's also insisting that Canada implement the Kyoto requirements - even though his party, the Liberals, who signed the agreement, did nothing for 13 years - and if we were to start Kyotoism now, we'd end up worse than Zimbabwe.But Dion is insisting that it be complied with. After all - what does he care about bankrupting the economy as long as he's in power?

He's also insisting that the Afghanistan War is 'wrong' - another flip - and wants the troops out by /09.
And he's aligning himself with Williams against Harper - a dangerous move, frankly, for the two of them can easily be mocked as an insane comedy duo.

By the way - the MSM are relentless in their Bash Harper attacks. Notice how CTV is chastizing Harper for not saying 'a word' about Afghanistan in his speech - just referring to the military.

The hands in the air? Remember the jokes about France during the build up to the Iraq War?

"What do you call 100,000 Frenchmen with their hands in the air? Answer: The French Army.

"How many Frenchmen would it take to defend Paris? Answer: I don't know; it's never been tried.

"Why are the main streets lined with trees in Paris? Answer; So the German Army can march in the shade'.

This leftist talk of ending the mission now should once and for all be exposed for what it is.

To cowardly turn tail and run, without having accomplished the goal, not only insults the dead and their families, it gives their deaths no meaning.

Which proves they do not support the troops.

This filthy and cowardly trio of Layton, Dion and Duceppe should be run out of the country. (Although, I can happily imagine a much more deserved punishment that I can't type here)

I question the courage of anyone that calls Queerbec or Morontario home.

Those two provinces are the arsehole of the nation and they have done more to undermine the mission and gut the military than any other region.

If Stephanie Dion came to Alberta and talked about stabbing our troops in the back, he would get the bum's rush out the door, and a boost into the dumpster out back.

The fwench have rightly earned their reputations for cowardice, and it will take some real, honest hard work to repair that.

Re: Jim at August 27, 2007 3:53 PM "The fwench have rightly earned their reputations for cowardice"

If dying for your country isn't enough to prove your bravery, then what is? They are heroes. You, Jim, are the coward.

Jimbo:

What was that last sentence all about?

This putz needs to be called on the carpet with this question:

How has been accpetbale for you up until now that Canadians outside Quebec have died in service to the mission in Afghanistan? Why is there suddenly such a vehement call to end the mission the moment soldiers from Quebec die?

Posted by Jim "Those two provinces are the arsehole of the nation and they have done more to undermine the mission and gut the military than any other region."

Apparently Jim, you're not big on reading cause if you were to scan previous posts you would have noticed this, concerning new enlistees......

"They come from all provinces with several contributing an unusually large share despite their small populations:

Nfld. and Labrador 1.4%
PEI 0.3%
Nova Scotia 11.8%
New Brunswick 6.4%
Quebec 20.3%
Ontario 33.6%
Manitoba 4.4%
Saskatchewan 1.3%
Alberta 10.2%
British Columbia 8.3%
Yukon Territory N/A
Northwest Territories 0.2%
Nunavut N/A
Outside Canada 1.8%"

So the arseholes of the nation (Quebec and Ontario) have 53.9% of the new recruits yet somehow those two provinces are undermining the mission. Any other words of wisdom Jim?

Re:"Jimbo:

What was that last sentence all about?"

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Jim at August 27, 2007 3:53 PM is questioning the courage of Quebecers, as per "I question the courage of anyone that calls Queerbec or Morontario home".

The soldiers in Afghanistan right now are Quebecers, and three have died for CANADA. What more can one do to prove their bravery?

I'm thinking going to a foreign country and fighting, and dying, for Canada is a lot more brave than making disparaging comments about those same Quebec soldiers from the comfort of home or office, wouldn't you agree.

If someone has problems with the politics, as I do, then make that call. But Jim, and others (see above), are calling into question the bravery of French Canadian soldiers, whom I consider, rightly, to be heroes. It makes me sick.

Most of the French reputation for cowardice comes from their performance during WWII. The French army performed very well, with the odd exception up until then. Louis XIV, XIX, XIV, Napoleon. Not so much during the franco Prussian Wars of 1869 - 71 or thereabouts. Millions of them died valiantly during WW1, though the mutinees of 1916-1917 stained their record.

It was WW11 that they are still trying to recover from. What was theoretically the best army in Europe was destroyed in a matter of weeks, and then half the country ended up siding with the enemy. Their navy had to be destroyed to prevent it from falling into enemy hands, because unlike the naval forces of other defeated European countries it did not carry on the fight from over seas. French troops fought against us in North Africa, and the middle east. The French overseas colonies were actively hostile to the allied forces WW11. The French were arguably a bigger enemy than they were an ally.

Their co-culteralists in Canada were not much better. Remember the conscription crisis? French Canadians, for the most part did not want to be bothered helping save Europe from Nazi oppression because they thought it wasn't their war. In retrospect, maybe they were right and it wasn't worth fighting for. Look at the WW11 battle honours of the French Canadian regiments. With a few notable exceptions (the Van doos, Les Fusilier Monroyal, Le Regiment Du Chaudiers ) sp? Many of them don't have any because they were assigned to home defence only.

Your reputation is only as good as your last fight and if you consider WW11, Algeria, Indo China, Its a well deserved one.

Dion still reminds me of Gray Davis, the man who played governor of California on television (without ever even attempting to do the job of governor) from 1999 - 2003, both in appearance

http://www.californiagovernors.ca.gov/h/biography/governor_37.html

and in general fecklessness. I've never seen the two of them together, so maybe it's the same guy.

Re: "Your reputation is only as good as your last fight " Posted by: minuteman at August 27, 2007 4:37 PM

They are overseas fighting, and dying, right now! That's the point. There are near as many French Canadian soldiers enlisted right now in the CANADIAN armed forces as from all Western Provinces combined.

If anyone blames politicians and/or media for making special consideration for Quebec soldiers, then they should also be prepared to give credit where credit's due. Doesn't seem like that's the case for some.

"I wonder if the Canadian MSM would use the word 'famed' for any regiment if they understood that word meant that they had killed more of the enemy than they of our soldiers.."

Kursk,
The MSM,and left in general,is far too busy trying to rewrite Canadian military history into nothing but that of peacekeepers.
My understanding is that in the last century,including two brutal world wars,Canadian soldiers killed more of the enemy,per capita,than any other fighting force on the face of this planet.
True heroes,every one.

"I have to agree with those who will not condone insults aimed at the vandoos."

Rob R,
If conservatives don't come to the defence of our young brave soldiers,who the f*ck in Canada will?

Jimbo, I am prepared to give credit where it is do. The media is really driving me nuts with their never ending references to the "legendary" Van Doos, and Quebec soldiers. Not all Quebec soldiers are French Canadian. A lot of the Quebec base regiments have historically been Anglo units (three that come to mind are the Royal Canadian Hussars, the Royal Montreal Regiment, and the Black Watch of Canada - All Montreal based units)

Between the regs and the reserves I spent almost twenty years in uniform, so over the years I have known a lot of soldiers, and in my time in the army I recall a fair number of anglos served in the Van Doos, this was as a result of them not being able to recruit enough francos to fill their ranks.

Minuteman:

Actually the death of the French fighting spirit can more accurately be set at late in WW1 in the maw that was Verdun. If you read any of the histories of the battle - much of it was unbelievable senseless slaughter at the hands of artillery - it will come as no surprise that muntinies happened and that ever since the french have resisted going to war. I doubt that any other nation would have reacted any differently.

The Van Doos may in fact have a proud history - I can not say one way or the other, having not read much about them - but on the whole francophone Quebecers have been miserable, cowardly, isolationist and pacifist warriors. It is to early to tell if the Van Doos will live up to their rep or not. But if they do have deserters (can you imagine the press coverage of the courtmarshall trials?) or if the Conservatives rotate them out early due to a poor performance (i.e. Anglo-Canadian lives are cheaper than Franco-Canadian lives) the consequences for the Canadian confederation will be severe...

As for the 'get out now' and 'put it in writing that we will leave in 2009' politics of the opposition: that is similar to saying in December 1944 that we will stop the attack on the Nazis by March 1st 1945 at the latest. If ever there was a way to provide a morale boost to our enemies this is it.

Kate, I see that you have "fanned the fire" in this blog spot!! I'm from USA and I can see that this guy in pic) needs your sympathy, in a BAD way... Is he impotent, excuse me, important? LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robot Chicken:

Yes, On and QC have 53.9% in the forces, but they have 66% of the population...

A more interesting stat would be how many are from Vanc., TO and Montreal - the heart of Liberal and NDP support. If the Conservative part of Canada is doing the fighting, where do the left-wing parties get off telling them whether should or shouldn't?

I've never seen the two of them together, so maybe it's the same guy.

Add glasses. You may be on to something. LOL.

http://www.dailycal.org/sharticle.php?id=12742

Orlin, yes, he IS very important. He's the next Prime Minister of Canada, and HE will fix all the destruction wrought by the Conservatives during their seemingly interminable reign.

I think if you look closely through the water glass you can see something up his sleeve. I wonder what it is?

Dion is surrendering because a Taliban operative (aka a member of the Parlimentary Press Gallery) aimed a canon at him. He needs a quick course on weapons. A Canon camera is only deadly to polititians if they fumble a football, lose their luggage or look like they are surrendering in front of a bunch of Canadian flags.

I believe if you look closely through the water glass you can see something up his sleeve.
I wonder what it is?

Just so Gord. You will find that the peaceniks, pacifists and defeatists are firmly headquartered in Morontario and Queerbec too.

I watch Stephanie Dion's antics and I realize that I will never fight for Canada to defend homos like that, or the people that elected him. Nor will I ever take orders from them.

I think that it is good that finally, some frogs have spilled their own blood in this conflict. It might make the rest of 'em think a little harder when Stephanie starts gobbling about retreats and throwing away all the gains that have been made at such terrible cost.

Pte. Simon Longtin (died Aug. 19 near Kandahar, Afghanistan), Master Warrant Officer Mario Mercier and Master Cpl. Christian Duchesne (were killed when their armoured vehicle, on patrol in Kandahar province, struck a roadside improvised explosive device).

These names sound French to me. Brave soldiers, and heroes, who died for CANADA. Those who infer they're cowards should hang their heads in shame.

And no, I'm not including you, "Minuteman", as one who doesn't give credit where it's due. I understand your frustration with the media. I'm sure you understand my disgust towards those who would sit at home and call the bravery of these soldiers into question. I hope they aren't calling themselves Conservatives. Because they aren't.

Gord Tulk : I am aware of the history of Verdun. I have been there and walked the fields. It is enough to make anyone a pacifist. When you drive to Verdun, you go down a road that is a vast cemetary as far as you can see and it seems to go on for miles. I can understand how this would change the French attitude to war, like Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a big attitude adjustment for the Japanese. But, sometimes you just have no option but to fight, and surrender is just not at option.

So... any of you prize morons calling French Canadian soldiers cowards, or words to that effect, ever lifted a finger for your country? Shown the guts to actually join the armed forces? Of course not. Launching cheap insults from behind a keyboard is all you little twerps can do. It takes a real man to serve his country - and a yellow-bellied baby to insult him.

Sunshines, I've been in the service 27 years, the first 11 of those as a VanDoo. I've known a lot of the guys over there for a long time. They're as gutsy as they come - they're part of one of the finest, toughest military force in the world: the Canadian Army. They much more gutsy than any of you sad sacks disparaging them.

Do get some knowledge of history as well. The French were hardly an army to laugh at, historically. They showed as much bravery as anyone else. They too were beset by idiotic politicians (sound familiar?), and generals fighting the war before last. When it comes to WW2, there isn't a country in the world at that time (1939-40) that could have resisted Hitler's blitzkrieg. I'll defy you to keep snapping like a bulldog when everything around you is going to shit and your superiors don't have clue as to how to stop it. But of course, none of you "historians" ever experienced the world going to shit around your ears. For that, you'd have to get out of your parents' basement.

Now if you want to talk about French collaboration with the Nazis after their decisive defeat on the battlefield, that's another story.

Jimbo, I spent almost twenty years in the army in a variety of bases, units and branches. I am willing to give credit where it is due, but I do know what I am talking about with the demographics of the armed forces. To back up what someone posted about Ontario and Quebec soldiers, I can tell you that in ten years in the regular army I never met another soldier from Toronto. As a young platoon commander, more than half my platoon was from the maritimes and half of those were from Cape Breton. Not exactly representative of our diverse population. I don't know what it is like now, but then the numbers were someone skewed by recruiting quotas, which allowed much higher numbers to be recruited from poorer regions.

Back then, the forces were broken down into "anglophone units", "francophone units", and "national units". The terms are pretty obvious. National units tended to be headquarters, and specialist units that we didn't have enough of to designate special anglo and franco versions. "Francophone units usually had a good number of bilingual anglos in them to make up numbers. If you were a bilingual anglo you had a good chance of spending at least part of your career in a franco unit. As a unilingual anglo I spent two years in a francophone unit, (a part of NDHQ), which was pretty much a total waste of my and the crown's time and money. Sometimes it worked the other way also, but not usually as often. I would hope that now we are in a war situation, the important things are treated with the diligence they deserve and the BS would go out the window.

And to give credit where it is due the Van Doos are not the only ones their. I am sure that the 12ieme Regiment Blinde Du Canada, 5e Regiment D'artillerie Legere Du Canada,5 Régiment du genie de combat, 5e Batallion du service du Canada. etc etc etc are also there.

I'm speechless and in awe at the staggering incongruity of reason Taliban Jack and the Dipwits show in this move.

What dream world does he occupie where Canadian troops in a war zone are expected to take no casualties....and where oh where is is dignity as a Canadian and as a man to fold in to the enemies of Canada, freedom and democracy like a diaper-pissing infant.

At one point I actually admired Jack for standing for principles he felt were worthey ( regardless of how wrong he was) but this move has me doubting his sanity and his citizenship, his humanity and his manhood.

Get a grip Jack..not only is this a callow publicity stunt that betrays our military and our nation but it is a dumb political move.

This is your last hurrah as a political leader. Your ass is on this one and and the chances of surviving the backlash are slim.

Seems to me you have all missed the point of this entire exercise in propaganda!
When our government opposition reacts to soldiers deaths in this way, they are giving the moslem/criminal/terrorists in Afghanistan exactly what they want. Make no mistake they are experts at propaganda. This is not an army against army war, this is a propaganda war.

Now, when the MSM reports the stories in this way,it is more propaganda to keep the friction going between east and west Canadians! There is nothing that the SOCIALIST media fears more than to have Canadians united and patriotic from coast to coast.

Let us see, the French citizen Dion is stating something, whatever… and red star is carrying the story and is not surprisingly in support of the French citizen’s statements. Is there something out of balance here? I think not.
The ‘as far as you can get socialist/communist’ thinks that everything is bad. Is there something out of balanced there? I think not.
That is what you may expect from the ‘deep’ thinkers.
On the other hand, things go on as can be reasonably expected. Where shooting goes on, shit happens.
It is sad that it happens at times to our guys, though this is not a child’s story, this is real life stuff, these things happen. Tomorrow may be your last day and you are not near a war.
Of course it could be that Canada gets out of there and the French citizen and the socialist/communist will say that Harper screwed up.
I suggest, let them throw up and get on with the business at hand.

these are very good recrudment numbers, considering all canadian's according to the msm are against the war. my son has joined as have some of his friend's. At twenty it was his decion made without my input or his ndp supporting mother. If Dione and group get elected I could see our troop's in combat with no air, arty , no bullet's.that is these idot's idea of fighting. let's dump Quebec but keep the vandoo's excelent men.

When I served at CFB Gagtown, I frankly found most of the Vandoos I dealt with to be ill-disciplined and generally messier than soldiers from other units, with a pretty broad streak of anti-Anglo hostility. Many in that "famed" regiment knew that sh*t wouldn't stick to them, and at the time events seemed to be proving them right - Vandoos have gotten away with a lot of things that would never have been permitted in other units (including other Franco units). A lot of the problems with the Airborne and Somalia were really vandoos problems. I don't believe that it was a defect in the raw material (ie recruits) since the troops from 5 Régiment du genie de combat that I worked with were as good as any and better than most. Rather, there was an attitue of entitlement and political protection that permeated downwards from some of the senior officers.

All of that said, combat is the ultimate crucible - the Taliban don't care how much pull you think you have with the Liberal party, and neither do IEDs. I would imagine that any problems like the ones I described above will get sorted out pretty damn quickly, especially with the current CDS. I certainly hope so, because we need all the troops we can get (and then some).

And before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, this is not questioning anyone's bravery, but rather taking a hard look at the reputation of one of only three Reg Infantry regiemtns in Canada.

Rather pathetic to question the bravery or heart of soldiers on operations because they are from Quebec. Shame on you.

But this is just what the leftard media are trying to stir up. If they create enmity out of our traditional anglo/franco split in order to hinder Bushitlers automaton puppet baby killer Harper at the next election, it will have been worth it.

Dion-Runawaygirl.

A good Rick Mercer rant from Jan. 10/05 (back when the Liberals were the government) just to remind everyone what Liberals think of the Canadian Armed Forces.

I'd like dijon mustard on my ham sandwich please.

http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/videos/ricks_rant_jan_10_2005.wvx

If Dion were Prime Minister he would make sure all Canadian tanks have a rear view mirror. That way when he yells "withdraw", Canadian troops would be able to see the battle.

As much as it pains me to say so, I've heard comments within the military that echo those of holdfast.

Runaway Dion, run away.

At the time of the Somolia incident Peter Worthington writing in the Sun newspapers echoed the sentiments of holdfast. His words were to the effect that this regiment command structure was out of control because the regiment was untouchable. It came from Quebec.

holdfast: "All of that said, combat is the ultimate crucible".

I've never been in the military ... I suspect there is enough sh*t to go around for all the members until the ultimate crucible.

Then the ultimate crucible. I think everything is defined there ... show time type of thing. I don't really care about the political games that their command wants to play ... games are typically played when there is nothing better to do. I support all of our troops.

"How many Frenchmen would it take to defend Paris? Answer: I don't know; it's never been tried."

LOL !!!

et tags it. the best humor has truth in the recipe.

frenchie caved early for a number of reasons related to fear and fosslised strategies (maginot line). the wermacht walked into paris the decision having been made NOT to defend it and thus have it severely damaged. it took a couple weeks for the blitzkreig to trounce the biggest standing army on the continent.

french are real good at small scale sabotage but their armed forces have never recovered WW I and esp WW II. indochina is further evidence.

Jimbo, for goodness sakes give it a rest! Perhaps the vandoos are great warriors. - I hope so, and I will give them credit, in due time! But their lives are no more sacred than the soldiers originating in other parts of this once great country. Unfortunately, the media does not understand this fact.

As for the fool in the picture, God help us if he ever does assume control of the Canadian military.
I do fear that possibility. The vandoos could well become the 'Home-guard' whilst the rest of our military would be sent to those far-away places like East-Timor on our famously timed-out Hercs. You know the ones - They almost had to taxi to the South Asian Islands, where the 'action' was. Taxi because they could not take off due to the out-and-out NEGLECT practiced by the party of the S-O-B in the picture.

Jimbo, get some rest.

CRB

"Loose lips sink ships"

My own mother lived and breathed these words for years as she lived and worked in London as a telephone operator during the blitz.
This was a generation that understood duty and sacrifice in the defence of one's way of life.

Today,when I see pampered politicians such as Dion and Layton cavalierly endangering our military personel by publicly DEMANDING we inform the Taliban of crucial timetable and withdrawl plans(for NOTHING more than political posturing)I am thouroughly and utterly DISGUSTED and SICKENED.

TRAITEROUS C*CKSUCKERS!

And almost as bad,our very own media,instead of sounding the alarm at this bizarre stupidity,cheer them on.

TRAITEROUS C*CKSUCKERS!

(I'm sorry,but,I found I could not express these thoughts in an unemotional manner.)
Maybe it's time for a new motto more apt to the times....

"Self-righteous leftism aids radical Islamism."

In today`s (Aug 27) National Post, Lorne Gunter lays it on the Liberals re the casualties in Afganistan...Priceless!

Re: "Jimbo, for goodness sakes give it a rest! Perhaps the vandoos are great warriors. - I hope so, and I will give them credit, in due time! But their lives are no more sacred than the soldiers originating in other parts of this once great country."

No more, and no less. In case you missed it, in other news, there was a funeral today. Try going to the story, and take a look at the young man's picture. Maybe give some thought to his family, and to the other brave young men who stood beside him in Afghanistan. Show some respect.

I see so many posts on this site about supporting the troops. I won't stand by and see those soldiers contributions or memories be disparaged in any way.

Pte. Simon Longtin was 23 years old - just a kid, like a lot of the soldiers from all parts of Canada. When I see posts like "I think that it is good that finally, some frogs have spilled their own blood in this conflict." from Jim above, I get upset. Don't you?

Sorry, I can't let that kind of thing go unchallenged.

I expect the Vandoos are happy campers because they FINALLY get to go and do what they've been training their whole careers for. Real live bad guys to shoot at and stuff you can blow up. Hell, they even get vehicles younger than they are. Woo, and brand new TANKS to play with!

Its like the friggin' Olympics of Canadian soldiering. Bet your ass they want to be there.

I wouldn't want to be Layton or Dion left alone with that lot. Sharp words would be the least of it.
Posted by: The Phantom at August 27, 2007 3:03 PM

Probably.

And yet in the real world, military morale has a way of ebbing and flowing.

I'm glad you've decided from your keyboard, however, how friggin' happy they are.

Go Vandoos. I support you. And I hope you enjoy your tours and grow as men (and if applicable, women), plus come home safe and sound.

But I don't want to understate what you're doing.

Thanks.

They all want to end combat operations and maintain a security role for humanitarian missions.

It seems most of the troops are being murdered in security operations, just driving around. The combat troops seem to massacre (or at least pin down for USAF) whatever Taliban they come across.

If the Opposition really cared for the troops they should call for an end to the security role, leave it to the Nords, Germans, whoever and focus on what Canadians do best - seek and destroy.

They'd be safer that way.

Posted by: Canadian Observer at August 28, 2007 12:45 AM....
I'd say the same thing CO .... but I'm making an effort to cut down on my potty mouth!
Right you are though! Right you are!

One thing to remember is that a bored soldier is a dangerous soldier and a tired and muddy soldier is a good soldier (and usually a happy soldier, despite the grumbling). That "the devil makes works for idle hands" is triply true in the military - nobody joins an infantry, armour, artillery or engineer unit to sweep the compound and push paper - if they wanted a 9-5 work week, they would have become accountants. Train hard, train long, tear up the countryside with tanks and APCs, shoot lots of ammo, blow things up, go for long well-armed walks in the dark with your friend, learn to plan, learn to lead and train to fight - these are the things that soldiers want to do, that soldiers need to do. And when it is all done, have a couple of beers in the mess and take the piss out of each other for all the mistakes that were made. Then go and spend some quality time with your loved ones. Lather, rinse repeat.

Some of you clowns shoulds realise this is not the first time the Vandoos have been in Afstan

War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

Operation Falcon Summit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Falcon_Summit

The first operation related casualty was a Canadian soldier whom while on route to a meeting with tribal elders to discuss reconstruction that would be happening during and after the operation, stepped on a landmine. The soldier, Private Frederic Couture of le Royal vingt-deuxième régiment (The Royal 22nd Regiment) the "Vandoos" suffered severe but not life threatening injuries as a result of the blast. The landmine had been planted the night before, by Taliban troops that were shot and killed by Canadian soldiers who then attempted to clear away all the landmines in the area.

On December 19, the Canadian forces in the area began a massive artillery and tank barrage on Taliban positions in the area of operations. Backed by heavy machinegun fire, the Canadian Leopard tanks and M777 howitzers assaulted the positions for forty-five minutes before the barrage ended and Canadian ground forces advanced and secured a perimeter around the town of Howz-e Madad without firing a single shot