Another star of Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth has left the building;
The media release for the 2005 Nature study ominously read, “The ocean currents that help to maintain Northern Europe's relatively clement climate are weakening, according to a new survey carried out in the Atlantic Ocean. The new data shows that the system of currents that moves warm waters north and returns cooler waters to more southerly latitudes has weakened by 30 percent since 1957.”Researchers aboard a 2004 voyage led by the UK National Oceanography Centre’s Harry Bryden surveyed the strength of currents at various depths at latitude of 25 degrees north. Although Bryden found no change to the Gulf Stream — the northward flow of warm water near the surface — he reported a 50 percent reduction in the amount of cold, deep waters flowing southwards and a 50 percent increase in the amount of water recirculating within subtropical regions without reaching higher latitudes. These changes, according to Bryden, showed that less water is completing a full circuit of the entire Atlantic current system.
The Nature study spawned a tidal wave of scary headlines around the world that December, including “Scientists Say Slow Atlantic Currents Could Mean a Colder Europe” (New York Times); “Fears of Big Freeze as Scientists Detect Slower Gulf Stream” (The Independent, UK); “Shifting Currents Renew Fears of Freezing” (The Gazette, Montreal); “Europe Faces Feal Day After Tomorrow” (Courier Mail, Australia); and “Ocean Flow Findings Indicate Harsher Winters for Europe” (Press Trust of India).
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But now Bryden’s finding has been exposed as a nothing burger — although this should have come as no surprise.
Bryden worked with only very limited oceanic data — five sets of ship-based temperature and salinity measurements from the north Atlantic collected during research cruises between 1957 and 2004. His prediction of a much larger slowdown of the Atlantic current than made by climate model simulations is the sort of extreme outlier result that often occurs with the use of incomplete and inadequate data.
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And the enviromentalists wackos will start their rediclous blabbering about this and ENVROMENTAL DEFENSE will produce some rediculous TV ads and AL GORE,DAVID SUZUKI and JAMES LOVELOCK will get up on their soap boxes and preach their usial poppycock about GLOBAL WARMING we dont need their idiotic banter
Posted by: spurwing plover at August 17, 2007 10:35 AMLet's not feed all the trolls this time, shall we? I'm getting tired of those morons.
Posted by: The Phantom at August 17, 2007 11:07 AMall those NASA scientists, applying their secret algorithms to "adjust" raw climate data so it shows what they want, not what is actually happening.
Shouldn't secret algorithms that prove global warming be called AlGoreithms ?
Shooting holes in the Righteous Reverend Gore's and Doctor of Fruit Flies, Suzuki's Global Warming Scam/Hoax is starting to sink their ship early, cutting their bask in fame rather short.
Looks like the real scientific experts on the subject just let them roll, now they're coming at them with truth. This truth will be the real "Inconvenient Truth" for the likes of Gore and Suzuki et al.
Posted by: Liz J at August 17, 2007 11:22 AMAl Gore did not invent the internet however he did invent global warming.
Posted by: a different Bob at August 17, 2007 11:37 AMOh heaven's no ...say it ain't so...more photo ops of green emperor Gore's new cloak? Naked truth is an ugly thing sometimes. ;D
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at August 17, 2007 11:51 AMAs a scientist I am not surprised. In reality much of the problem is the media hype. Real scientists are much more cautious when you actually listen to what they are saying.
Posted by: langmann at August 17, 2007 11:51 AMTwo comments that I can add just to clarify the discussion. The group who is reporting the new findings is the same group who reported the old. Why Mr. Milloy left this off his post is beyond me but again I see science functioning as it should.
In regards to Mr. Gore's movie, as I have said I have not seen it, but from what I read over at CEI I do not get the impression that he quotes Bryden's initial study. What he does say is that freshwater could cause a slowdown of the THC which is pretty well accepted. I do not believe that he says it is happening.
John
Posted by: John Cross at August 17, 2007 11:57 AMJohn Cross:
[i]The group who is reporting the new findings is the same group who reported the old. Why Mr. Milloy left this off his post is beyond me but again I see science functioning as it should. [/i]
"Even though Bryden wisely backed off his alarmist claims by mid-2006 after reviewing a year’s worth of the new measurements, his retraction garnered virtually no media attention."
or more briefly, please read the article.
And I agree with you on the wasting of time watching the Gore movie. Too bad the sheeple will hold it as the new gospel.
Posted by: dkjones at August 17, 2007 12:43 PMDkjones. Thanks for the tip, but I do try to make a habit of reading the articles. Perhaps you could show me where it says that Bryden was the author of the new study. The quote that you gave does not do this but your comment seems to imply that it does.
Regards,
John
Kate
Here is a link that might interest you:
http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/16/must-read-from-hansen-stop-the-madness-about-the-tiny-revision-in-nasas-temperature-data/
It incorporates the changes to the climate data, uncovered by McIntyre. I'm sure you will see fit to post the graph, in the spirit of the healthy debate.
Posted by: Steve V at August 17, 2007 12:57 PMAhh, Stevy Milloy also believes that second hand smoking doesn't exist. But, if you get a big cheque from big tobacco and oil that makes it easier to say what ever they want.
I think he'd fit right in here at Kool-aid Kate's Klub of whiners and deniers.
Posted by: Jus ad bellum at August 17, 2007 12:58 PMAnother dupe of the oil companies. Just because a fact is not true does not make it incorrect.
Posted by: Mystery Meat at August 17, 2007 1:03 PMhttp://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=967
Posted by: Kyle at August 17, 2007 2:15 PMIf the science is settled, why the need for more data?
Posted by: DrD at August 17, 2007 3:08 PMOMG! What if the ocean currents slow down by 31%! We're all gonna...
Oh wait, they could just as easily be exactly the same as they've always been, we just don't know. Oh well.
Posted by: philanthropist at August 17, 2007 3:39 PMDalton McGinty and Global warming, it just got nuttier. global warming for immigrants.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070817/Bollywood_tour_070816/20070817?hub=TopStories
"Just because a fact is not true does not make it incorrect."
MMeat, what an amazing statement! Please elaborate; can't wait for some more examples of untrue facts. Are you being sarcastic? I hope so.
"Just because a fact is not true does not make it incorrect."
"MMeat, what an amazing statement! Please elaborate; can't wait for some more examples of untrue facts. Are you being sarcastic? I hope so."
[Posted by: Shamrock at August 17, 2007 8:22 PM ]
Hell, it worked for Dan Rather.
fake but accurate ===> untrue but correct
You simply must smoke what they are smoking, then it all begins to make sense.
If the science is settled, why the need for more funding?
Posted by: set you free at August 17, 2007 10:57 PMMy only question regarding the original report ... if the Gulf Stream was still flowing north at the same rate .... where was the water going if not circulating back. Don't things have to balance out?
Posted by: DocR at August 18, 2007 2:41 AMTHE EARTH IS NOT FRAGILE
Posted by: spurwing plover at August 18, 2007 10:39 AM"Don't things have to balance out?"
[Posted by: DocR at August 18, 2007 2:41 AM ]
The earth has been working at balancing things out for over 4 billion years.
Eccept this present period. According to the AGW adherents 'ya-but, this-time-is-different'.
SMOKIE BEAR YES CAPTIAN PLANET NO
Posted by: spurwing plover at August 19, 2007 3:17 PM