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August 16, 2007

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"Sure. Lets call God Allah. Lets then call a church a mosque and pray five times a day. Ramadan sounds like fun,"

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Thoughts on Global Warming by Freeman Dyson, one of the twentieth century's greatest physicists, courtesy of Edge.org:

http://tinyurl.com/yozuja

Enjoy!  (I know I did.)

Posted by: Garth Wood at August 16, 2007 9:29 AM

Call God "Allah"?

Fine.

However, is it OK to call Allah "God"?

Posted by: JJM Ballantyne at August 16, 2007 9:37 AM

Speaking of Unhinged Scandanavians !!
A group called the AFA or Antifascistisk Aktion, the left-wing goon squad that violently intimidates politically incorrect people in Sweden.

Right now there’s a breaking news story about Antifascistisk Aktion... in action.... See Gates of Vienna!
LINK

Posted by: OMMAG at August 16, 2007 9:43 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/16/wtaliban116.xml

The Taliban has issued a training manual, available in two languages currently, more to come.

Posted by: dmorris at August 16, 2007 9:47 AM

I was reading the Allan article, and this one kind of jumped out....Mass trying "universal" health care...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20255585/

Posted by: JCL at August 16, 2007 9:50 AM

Methinks the Dutch really need to do something about that guy. De-frocking seems too mild for that level of disloyalty.

Tar and feathers?

Posted by: The Phantom at August 16, 2007 9:50 AM

Religion can't get any stupider than this...can it?

Posted by: Honey Pot at August 16, 2007 10:28 AM

The fact that this guy chose "Allah" over, say, "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" is telling, isn't it?

I guess when you're attitude is to appease feelings over a name, you gotta go with the group you most want to appease. It says a lot with which group this guy chose.

Posted by: Surecure at August 16, 2007 10:31 AM

"Allah" is simply Arabic for "God". Christian Arabs use the word as well.

Posted by: Belisarius at August 16, 2007 10:59 AM

Top 100 Canadian Blogs,

http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/top-100-canadian-political-blogs/

It's not perfect they missed mine even though alexa would have ranked me # 70.

Posted by: DrWright at August 16, 2007 11:10 AM

Security in the post 9/11 world: Give 'em a badge and a taser and tell 'em anyone who question's their authority is a "terrorist" :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070814/ap_on_re_us/tasered_dad

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at August 16, 2007 11:16 AM

Actually, allah was one of a pantheon of 365 gods at mecca. Mo's father's name and his uncle's name include reference to allah. This is obviously prior to Mo's sacking of Mecca and appropriation of the entity.

Allah also had a wife and two daughters. That is, until Mo picked him as his puppet god, stripped him of his wife and daughters and placed him above the other gods. Hence, the muslim mantras - 'there is no god but allah' and 'allah is the greatest.'

Allah has been tracked to earlier civilizations as Sin, also a moon god.

As well, the character and acts of allah and his followers are the antithesis of the Christian God presented in the NT.

Posted by: irwin daisy at August 16, 2007 11:41 AM

Islam: Mohammed, pervert of Allah.
From Islam's mosques comes the perversion; to wit: "embezzlement, abuse of women and an alleged attempt to spread radical messages of hate."
...-
Notes on a Scandal

Since its opening in 1957, the Islamic Center of Washington has been the city’s most prominent mosque—a center of worship for thousands of area Muslims, including many members of the capital’s diplomatic corps. President Bush even made a speech at the mosque earlier this summer.

But now the Islamic Center has become immersed in a nasty court battle marked by charges of embezzlement, abuse of women and an alleged attempt to spread radical messages of hate.

The fireworks began earlier this year when federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint against the recently ousted business manager of the mosque, Farzad Darui. A later five-count indictment charged that Durui, an Iranian native who formerly served as the mosque’s security chief, embezzled more than $430,000 in five years—in part by altering checks and diverting mosque funds to corporate entities he controlled. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882034/posts

Posted by: maz2 at August 16, 2007 12:02 PM

Extreme Mortman has a nice roundup of rejoinders to Newsweek's cover story about Global
Warming Denial, including a nice scan of their April 1975 story about Global Cooling in
which, we are warned, scientists "are almost unanimous" about the cooling trend, evidence
of which "has begun to accumulate so massively".

http://www.extrememortman.com/global-warming/global-whining-2/

Read especially the link to the Boston globe column by Jeff Jacoby.

Comments contain the quote of the day for me:

"We don't control the temperature or climate, but a lot of folks want to use temperature and climate to control us."

Posted by: DutchCanuck at August 16, 2007 12:11 PM

[Kurdish] Peshmerga Sent to Secure Sinjar - 340-Strong Force to Protect Yazidi Community
iraqslogger

Arbil, Aug 16, (VOI) – A 340-strong Kurdish Peshmerga force was sent to northwestern Iraq's district of Sinjar to restore security and provide protection to the afflicted community, an official Peshmerga source said on Thursday.

"The force will remain in the district until the security situation is secure," Peshmerga Commander Maj. Gen. Aziz Waizy told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI)....-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882033/posts


{Note the whining here by Ass. Press re the Sunnis.]

Iraqi PM Announces Shiite-Kurd Alliance (take THAT, Sunnis!)

Associate Press ^ | Aug 16, 2007 | QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA
The Iraqi prime minister and president announced a new alliance of moderate Shiites and Kurds in a push to save the crumbing government Thursday, saying a key Sunni bloc refused to join but the door remained open to them. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said the agreement was the first step to unblock political stagnation that has gripped his Shiite-led government since it first took power in May 2006. But the announcement after three days of intense negotiations was disappointing because it did not include Iraq's Sunni Vice President Tariq al-Hashemi and his moderate Iraqi Islamic Party. Al-Maliki has been criticized...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882076/posts

Commenter makes the point:

"The Sunni's have done their best to torpedo the new civil government. The other two major factions are coming together and essentially telling them "either get on the team or get left out".

Posted by: maz2 at August 16, 2007 12:12 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2007/08/16/cp-rcmp-fire.html

...the little terrorists-in-training were turned over to their parents. Now that'll put the fear of God into them. /sarc

Posted by: L'il Walter at August 16, 2007 12:12 PM

Look who found their way onto the North American integration advisory board meeting with Harper, Bush and Calderon in Montebello Quebec next week.

http://tinyurl.com/2vzdk2

Is there no end to Powercor's undue influence in Canadian government policy?

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at August 16, 2007 12:14 PM

Allah has been tracked to earlier civilizations as Sin, also a moon god.

This is a complete fabrication by certain fundamentalist Christians (notably missionary Dr. Robert Morey).

The Arabic word "Allah" meaning "God" or "God Almighty" was in use by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews centuries before the arrival of Islam.

"Allah" is not God's name, but rather the Arabic equivalent of the English word. The word for "God" in Aramaic - the semitic language of Jesus - is "Allaha"

"Among His Signs are the Night and the Day and the Sun and Moon. Prostrate (adore) not to the Sun and the Moon but prostrate to God, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve."
Qur'an 41:37

Posted by: Belisarius at August 16, 2007 12:45 PM

Allah damned, god damned, god damned Allah, whatever, Allah means nothing in this Judeo-Christian country. The Muslims come here to live in safety and comfort, they can mind their own bloody business, worship whatever god they wish and shut the hell up about it. If they can't abide our lifestyle and customs, can't take employment or serve in any service industry because of their religion, they must leave, we can't support them in isolation from our customs.

Begone, and God speed.

Posted by: Liz J at August 16, 2007 12:50 PM

Warning:

"All now have the power to detain and question suspects."

Britain is now Britanistan.

God Save The Queen.
...-

Revealed: The hijab-wearing 17-year-old Muslim girl hired as a community police officer

Nadia Naeem has been recruited as a Police Community Support Officer

A Muslim teenager has been named as one of the 'babies on the beat' as police community support officers.

The Daily Mail revealed on Monday how Thames Valley police were employing two 16-year-old schoolleavers as PCSOs.

Yesterday it emerged that the force also recruited three 17-year-olds, including Nadia Naeem, now 18, who wears the hijab.

All now have the power to detain and question suspects. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882128/posts

Posted by: maz2 at August 16, 2007 1:52 PM

*
"Sure. Lets call God Allah. Lets then call a church a mosque
and pray five times a day. Ramadan sounds like fun,"

no, no... this could work.

i can think of at least half a dozen people i wouldn't mind
beheading... or at minimum, behanding.

insh'allah

*

Posted by: neo at August 16, 2007 2:19 PM

Religion is crap. Nothing good has come from it but the music.

Posted by: ok4ua at August 16, 2007 2:35 PM

The Arabic word "Allah" meaning "God" or "God Almighty" was in use by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews centuries before the arrival of Islam.

Belisarius if the words are replacable they should have no problem calling their Allah, GOD!

They are speaking English after all. Oh wait we are the weak Trudeaupian weenie culture.

Posted by: DrWright at August 16, 2007 2:52 PM

"we are the weak Trudeaupian weenie culture."

{snort]...[giggle]... BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

Good one, Dr. Wright!

Posted by: The Phantom at August 16, 2007 3:00 PM

Belisarius is right. Moslems worship God, the god of Abraham and Moses. It is mere ignorant bigotry to believe otherwise. However, Dr. Wright is also right. There is no reason ever to use the word "Allah" when speaking English. Unless, of course, you're trying to prove yourself an ignorant bigot by suggesting that "Allah" is somehow not the same as "The Lord".

Posted by: ebt at August 16, 2007 3:09 PM

God Before Food: Philosophy, Russian Style

By CARLIN ROMANO

In 1922, a year of living dictatorishly, Lenin devoted astonishing time to handpicking intellectuals to be exiled from Russia. In missives to underlings, including a go-getter named Joseph Stalin, he railed against these "bourgeoisie and their accomplices, the intellectuals, the lackeys of capital, who think they're the brains of the nation. In fact, they're not the brains, they're the shit."...-
http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=rm311xxxr19y3kblwldz6nc67t4b51dx

Posted by: maz2 at August 16, 2007 3:39 PM

Teacher's union gets killer re-hired. Socialism at its best...

"Miguel's union challenged his dismissal, and an arbitrator has ruled that under the Quebec charter of rights, he can't be fired for a crime [Manslaughter] not linked to his job."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070816/teacher_killer_070816/20070816?hub=TopStories&s_name=

Posted by: Rob at August 16, 2007 4:26 PM

I got a 416-area phone call last night from -- another -- pollster who asked to speak to the oldest male in the house. After I confirmed she began to ask a -- now presumably poll -- question without bothering to tell me how long it would take or asking whether or not I was willing or able to take the poll at that time.

I wasn't comfortable with her approach. When I interrupted to ask which polling firm she was calling on behalf of she interrupted me back, replying with just enough impatience to make the call entirely presumptuous "It'll only take a couple of minutes."

I reiterated my question. She said -- and I could tell it was supposed to be beside the point -- "Environics." I told her that it wasn't a good time; she asked what would be a good time, and I told her I'd be home tomorrow night.

There was just something Liberal in the air, so later I Goggled looking for any connection. The President and co-founder of Environics, Michael Adams, certainly sounds like a condensate of GTA LPCism -- he has an M.A. in Sociology from the University of Toronto, and he's currently writing a book with the working title "Unlikely Utopia: The Surprising Triumph of Canadian Pluralism" -- but there seemed to be no direct connection between Environics and the Liberal Party of Canada.

Adams does have a blog, though --

http://michaeladams.typepad.com/

-- that's no great shakes; commendably casual, that sort of thing. The second post there, from December 2006, titled "Can anyone stop this man from winning all 308 seats?" is about Stephane Dion. Reading it I couldn't help but think that for the head of a major polling firm whose findings are regularly the basis for news stories on CTV, for one, Adams seems openly keen on one particular party's leader.

Not only does he seem to admire Dion's goals and visions, it's pointedly evident that he considers those goals and visions politically utile for the Dion team, and important for all the rest of us: "Mr. Dion's vision is not just bigger than Quebec, it's bigger than Canada."

Well, that's the idea, to be sure; we've all watched Mr. Dion billowing in that international slipstream. But it's odd that this vision would be most cogently expressed, and butterflied, by a Canadian pollster, or that this pollster would have such a finely-tuned, carefully considered strategic understanding of how a Dion handler, say, or an adviser to a Dionne handler might handle issues surrounding LPC election strategy. I thought pollsters were just supposed to take polls.

"Canadians are among the most ecologically conscious people in the world, a conciousness not being reflected by our current government (although the Conservatives seem to be on the brink of waking up and smelling the coffee.)"

Hmmm, seems the wheels are grinding at the Circle J Ranch even as we speak. Patrick Boyer, host of "Let's Talk" on ichannel, which is owned by a broadcasting company based on Bay Street that the Globe and Mail has described as "one of the most creatively provocative television filmmaking enterprises in Canada" wrote "Michael Adams is in a class by himself, because he and his firm Environics go beneath surface opinions to chart social values and how they shift over time...To the controversies, Adams brings the light of understanding rather than just more heat."

http://michaeladams.typepad.com

And for years' worth of Environics poll-results-based news stories -- e.g. "Gay marriage question settled for Canadians: poll" go to ctv.ca

Posted by: EBD at August 16, 2007 4:28 PM

Fidel is still dead. All attempts to resurrect Castro have failed. He's with his amigo/pal/ami, Pierre.
But, his bag of bones will be mummified and displayed in the Senate washroom, Urinal # 17, Prlmt. Bldg., Ottawa. Be sure to visit and plks on him.
...-

Castro's End Draws near

Fidel Castro's 81st birthday passed on Aug. 13 without an appearance by the dictator, not even a snapshot or salutation from him in the official press, and with little fanfare from the regime....-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882193/posts

Posted by: maz2 at August 16, 2007 4:31 PM

Belisarius is right. Moslems worship God, the god of Abraham and Moses. It is mere ignorant bigotry to believe otherwise. However, Dr. Wright is also right. There is no reason ever to use the word "Allah" when speaking English. Unless, of course, you're trying to prove yourself an ignorant bigot by suggesting that "Allah" is somehow not the same as "The Lord".

Not according to the NT, or the OT. Both testaments produced hundreds of years before the illiterate, mass-murdering, poseur, pedophile came along.

"Ignorant bigot" notwithstanding. Infernal idiot.

Posted by: irwin daisy at August 16, 2007 5:01 PM

Just army maneuvers; just a simulation; a feint. Don't tell Taliban Jack Layton-NDP, yet. He's out biking right at this time; last seen at Jane-Finch .
...-

Pakistan deploys "thousands" of forces on Afghanistan border

Text of report by Mushtaq Yusufzai headlined "More Pakistan troops deployed along Tora Bora" published by Pakistani newspaper The News website on 16 August

Peshawar [North-West Frontier Province]: Pakistan deployed thousands of security forces on the border areas of Kurram tribal agency with Afghanistan's Tora Bora where a major operation has reportedly been launched by the US and NATO forces against Taleban and Al-Qa'idah.

Tribal sources told The News from the border villages that heavy contingents of the Pakistan army and the paramilitary Frontier Corps (FC) reached there and strengthened security on the border with Afghanistan.

This new and rather rare deployment of the troops has been made at Tandar, Ghandao, Arwaza, Said Karam and a number of other villages situated on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882213/posts

Posted by: maz2 at August 16, 2007 5:35 PM

Deadly Environmentalists:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/08/15/deadly_environmentalists

Posted by: Earl the Pearl at August 16, 2007 5:38 PM

Next week: AliKhan and the seeing-dog eyes Saraa.
...-

Video: Depraved Hamas TV Show - The Extended Version

MEMRI TV has an extended clip from the Hamas TV show Pioneers of Tomorrow in which Nahoul the Killer Bee torments live animals, featuring the ever-creepy child zombie host Saraa. ...-

{...]

Nahoul enters the cats’ cage in the Gaza Zoo

Nahoul: Meow! Meow! I’m opening the door and going in. I opened the door and got into the cage, and the guy didn’t see me. I am now standing in the cats’ cage. The cats here are asleep – the poor, wretched, imprisoned cats. I feel like abusing them. This cat is asleep. I feel like attacking it.

Nahoul lifts the cat by its tail

[...]

Shoo... Meow...
...-
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26685_Video-_Depraved_Hamas_TV_Show_-_The_Extended_Version&only

Posted by: maz2 at August 16, 2007 5:58 PM

Maz2 .... Too bad the Taliban/Al Qaida camps were all deserted last week...
Did they go to Afstan?? Not likely! At least not the majority.

Seems they dispersed into Pakistan under the care and support of Pakistani security and military instead!!

Remains to be seen where they will emerge but I'm betting this is a prelude to a coup against Musharaaf....

Al Qaida Camps Empty

Keep an eye on this!

Posted by: OMMAG at August 16, 2007 6:07 PM

OMMAG, the Pakistani troop buildup in Tora Bora area might be explained by this. Before, Musharraf was hesitant or unwilling to do battle in this area (remember his "peace treaty?"). Now that his neck is on line, he could be commiting troops. Just speculation on my part.

Posted by: Shamrock at August 16, 2007 6:47 PM

Climate alarmists gleefully surfed a 2005 Nature study that claimed greenhouse gas emissions would slow Atlantic Ocean circulation and cause a mini ice age in Europe. Their ride now seems headed for a gnarly wipeout.

ATLANTIC PANIC DEBUNKED

An international team of researchers just reported in the journal Science (Aug. 17) that the intensity of the Atlantic circulation may vary by as much as a factor of 8 in a single year. The decrease in Atlantic circulation claimed in the Nature study falls well within this variation and so is likely part of a natural yearly trend, according to the new study.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293510,00.html

So much for the Hollywood disaster sequel "The day after yesterday meets tomorrow's today"...

Posted by: Martin B. at August 16, 2007 7:02 PM

OMMAG,

great link and yes this is a interesting development. Remeber they did two things before 9/11, killeed the Northern Alliance leader and emptied their camps

They were expecting an american response of cruise missiles and they were expecting the americans to use the Northern alliance and wanted to cause disarray.....they didnt expect an invasion.

Two possibilities

1) Overthrow of Mussaref, or at least tieing him up or distracting him

2) As either a prelude to an attack on the US or a parallel operation

Third possibility, major thrust into Afghanistan, where the NAto forces are weak....witness the attempted overrun of a US base last week. I sure hope those Vandoos have reinfrced their base and that there is sufficient airpower available withing minutes to pound the crap out of masses of Taliban (which ultimatley wold be a good thing because that is a battle on our, Western, terms)

You are right to highlight this

Posted by: Stephen at August 16, 2007 7:20 PM

I'm Shocked! Such a Surprise!

http://www.kommersant.com/p796082/r_527/constitutional_reform/

Hugo Chavez Extends His Term

// He wants to be president of Venezuela for life

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has announced a reform of the political system that is to ease the country's way to “21st-century socialism.” The amendments to the constitution proposed by Chavez will help him become president-for-life. Chavez called on the Venezuelan parliament to adopt amendments that will deliver a crushing blow to “accomplices of imperialism” and “oligarchs” and make the country he leads into the most democratic one in the world.

This latest address, made on Wednesday to the submissive National Assembly, was accompanied by a demonstration of “popular support” for the president staged outside the building by about a hundred members of the pro-presidential party. They waved red flags and danced to blaring folk music and held up banners reading “Yes to reforms on the road to the 21st century” and “Hail socialism!” The president's appearance before the legislators was televised nationally. It marks the start of a campaign for new constitution, which will culminate in a referendum in December...

Posted by: shocked&surprised! at August 16, 2007 9:32 PM

Rob at August 16, 2007 4:26 PM

I tasted my dinner all over again, after reading that link. What part of "lying on your application" does the idiotic QHRC not understand? It's grounds for dismissal in almost any employment situation, nanny-state Quebec notwithstanding, of course.

Perhaps if the school keeps him from teaching "How to Beat Your Competitors" he'll do just fine, eh?

In Barrie, Ontario, a middle-school female teacher was reinstated after a suspension from sending very spicey love letters to a 13-year old student. I'm still amazed at that, 3 or 4 years later.

Unions: raising the bar on common sense and the common good for everyone.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Posted by: mhb at August 16, 2007 10:08 PM

Let me get this straight. A Dutch Roman Catholic bishop thinks everyone should call the Supreme Being, the Creator of the Universe, Allah. In 1945, after Hitler's attempt at wiping out the Jewish race became headline news, does anyone remember hearing a Dutch Roman Catholic bishop suggest that we all call God Yahweh to show solidarity? Nor did I.

Posted by: gellen at August 16, 2007 10:22 PM

Whodat aka Robert aka isp_whut_isp: tinyurl.com/22gsoe

Posted by: Vitruvius at August 16, 2007 10:55 PM

Allah means 'only god' and is the name in combination with other expressions make up the 99 names of the god muslims worship. Anyone who says that Allah is even close to being the same as Yahweh is ignorant on both counts.

Posted by: Joe at August 16, 2007 10:56 PM

Oops, sorry about that Kate.

Posted by: Vitruvius at August 16, 2007 11:33 PM

Allah means 'only god' and is the name in combination with other expressions make up the 99 names of the god muslims worship.

Sorry Joe, but that's incorrect. Allah is Arabic for "God". Christian and Jewish Arabs use the same word in the Bible and Talmud.

The other "99 names" are not names (nouns) at all, but are descriptive (adjectives). The most common applied to God (Allah in Arabic) by Muslims are "compassionate" and "merciful".

Posted by: Belisarius at August 17, 2007 12:57 AM

I worked with a guy who went around and told everyone the world was ending on a certain day. He gave his truck to a neighbor and his wife had to go get it back. He's nuttier than a fruitcake. I asked him to give his truck to me next time. That pretty sums up my exposure to religious freaks. And you are freaks. And you are ill and should seek help.

Posted by: ok4ua at August 17, 2007 2:51 AM

I worked with a guy who went around and told everyone the world was ending on a certain day. He gave his truck to a neighbor and his wife had to go get it back. He's nuttier than a fruitcake. I asked him to give his truck to me next time. That pretty sums up my exposure to religious freaks. And you are freaks. And you are ill and should seek help.

Posted by: ok4ua at August 17, 2007 2:51 AM

I worked with a guy who went around and told everyone the world was ending on a certain day. He gave his truck to a neighbor and his wife had to go get it back. He's nuttier than a fruitcake. I asked him to give his truck to me next time. That pretty sums up my exposure to religious freaks. And you are freaks. And you are ill and should seek help.

Posted by: ok4ua at August 17, 2007 2:51 AM

We got it ok4ua - we got it. Why don't you stand on a street corner and hold a one-man meeting?
The guy you worked with was obviously a Jehovah Witness and more to be pitied than scorned. He was the loser, not you.
God's name is "I AM" - That's Who He said He was - and that's good enough for me.
Choose not to believe okwhatever - you were given free will. In fact, the Creator has given you more free will than any political system has ever granted you, so enjoy. As long as you don't stand on street corners praying aloud in order to be seen and admired by men, then feel free to declaim, explain, proclaim to your heart's content. You have God's blessing to be you - in His eyes, you are unique and special.
But hit the POST button only once.


Posted by: gellen at August 17, 2007 10:36 AM

Belisarius
Arabic like Hebrew is a descritive language. They don't use nouns like we do in English. The nouns they use are descriptions of the item being discussed. Their description of god tells us that allah is not the same as Yahweh. Islam is the religion of the rejected son trying to please a father that has rejected him. Hence all the dietary laws, laws that cover personal interaction and the hatred expressed toward anything that might interfere with the son's attempt to please the rejecting father. It also explains the jealous hatred toward the natural born son (Jews) and the adopted son (gentile Christians).

Posted by: Joe at August 17, 2007 11:33 AM

The nouns they use are descriptions of the item being discussed.

Again incorrect, Joe. As a Semitic language, Arabic is very closely related to Hebrew and Aramaic. Nouns in Arabic take two forms: definite (al - meaning "the", as in al-kitbu "the book") and indefinite (suffix -n added, as in kitbun, or "a book"). Nouns are also assigned a gender, which determines the pronouns, adjectives and verbs used with them.

As for your "rejected son" theory, where on earth did you come up with that nonsense?

Posted by: Belisarius at August 17, 2007 12:38 PM

Belisarius

'Rejected son' comes from history and the Bible Old and New Testaments. Look it up and you might grasp the concept. I am simply using the analogy to describe observed behaviors.

You translated "al" as "the". I translated it as "only" which is what my Arabic speaking friend translated it as. It seems that the definite also expresses exclusive.

By the way according to that same friend there are 99 names of allah which describe the attributes of allah. I also checked some Muslim web sites and they all spoke of the 99 names of allah. You can look that one up too if you want.

Posted by: Joe at August 17, 2007 3:23 PM

Joe,

In Islam, the "99 names" of God are more properly described as the "attributes" of God (the merciful, the compassionate, the all seeing, etc.). They modify the noun "Allah" (God). As I mentioned, because "Allah" means "God" (definite - not "a god"), it is also used by Christian Arabs when referring to "God". They used the word for centuries before the arrival of Islam and continue to do so today.

Rejected son - are you referring to the story of Ishmael (in tradition, the ancestor of the Arabs)? There's nothing in the Bible about him creating a new religion out of jealousy.

Posted by: Belisarius at August 17, 2007 6:20 PM

There is no creator.Religion is a load of crap. All of it.

Posted by: ok4ua at August 17, 2007 7:27 PM

Belisarius

Sorry to confuse you. Ishmael did not start any religion. However the religion started by Mohammed is the religion of the rejected son. A close reading of St Paul's letter to the Galatians seems to predict the advent of Islam. The nature of Islam is that of a rejected son. The practitioner of Islam is never certain of the approval of Allah. He is always seeking to be more perfect so as to be sure that finally Allah must notice and approve of him. At the same time he is constantly at emnity with those about him. Those who are born sons and those who are adopted as sons are especially despised because they don't believe that what he is doing will obtain the approval of Allah. In fact he feels he must defend the name of Allah much like a child of an abusive parent seeks to protect the honor of the abusing parent. All the while those who are born sons and those who are adopted sons know that the son of the slave woman shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Sorry but semantics doesn't cut it. The Allah that the Muslims follow is a god not The God. The God reveals His name to His children who don't refer to Him as God but rather Abba (Father) or Jesus or Holy Spirit or Holy Trinity and expecially the most holy name Yahweh.

Posted by: Joe at August 17, 2007 8:39 PM

Sorry but semantics doesn't cut it.

We were talking about the meaning of the Arabic word "Allah". If that isn't semantics, then Oxford needs to rewrite the dictionary.

Last time I was in church I certainly heard the word "God" used a great deal, and it does seem to make frequent appearances in the Bible. I never once heard "Yahweh" (a controversial name anyway, since the exact pronunciation of the ancient Hebrew symbols is represents is unknown).

How do you know that the God of the Muslims is not the God of Christians and Jews? The Catholic church doesn't agree with you, nor do most religious scholars. Islam is a faith in the Abrahamic tradition, and considers both Jewish and Christian religious texts to be sacred. If you consider Mohammed to be a false prophet, that is your opinion only. It might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Muslims worship the God of Abraham and Moses and Joseph Smith.

Posted by: Belisarius at August 17, 2007 10:55 PM

Belisarius

If you want to call Allah, God you have my permission even though you don't need it. If you want to go to mosque, you have my permission even though you don't need it. If you want to bow toward Mecca five times a day you have my permission even though you don't need it.

If you want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven then you need to seek the Lord of Life Jesus Christ and abandon this semantic foolishness that you think is wisdom.

The Christian which I, by the Grace of Yahweh am called and kept, follow a faith that is not based on feeble words expressing the "wisdom of man".

If you have been to Church or read a Bible you might recognize, "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power."

Peace

Posted by: Joe at August 17, 2007 11:18 PM

If you want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven then you need to seek the Lord of Life Jesus Christ and abandon this semantic foolishness that you think is wisdom.

The first part of your statement might be true, but the second most assuredly is not. Semantics are important, particularly when individuals spread misinformation based on faulty interpretation of language.

Posted by: Belisarius at August 18, 2007 1:58 AM

No Belisarius Foolish semantics are deadly. Especially when you assert that because Arabic speaking Christians use the word Allah that the Muslim god Allah is the same as the Christian/Jewish God Yahweh.

In old Testament times a commonly used word for lord was baal. When I worship the Lord Jesus Christ I am not worshipping Baal. Even the ancient prophets of Yahweh condemned the worship of Baal because Baal was not Yahweh. Elijah proved the priests of Baal wrong on Mount Carmel.

In our culture Allah is the Muslim deity and the word with a capital G, God, refers to Yahweh. To say other wise is foolish semantics pure and simple. Your attempt to make them the same being is disingenuous in the extreme.

Posted by: Joe at August 18, 2007 2:41 PM

Don't take my word, then. Ask the Pope. Or any other religious scholar. Islam is a religion in the Abrahamic tradition of Judaism and Christianity. "God" means "God". Muslims testify daily that there is "No God but God". Do you disagree?

Posted by: Belisarius at August 19, 2007 11:05 AM

I don't need to ask the Pope or any other religious leader. Follow the logic. Christians believe that Jesus is God (God the Son). Muslims believe Jesus is only a prophet and not God therefore the Muslims do not worship the same God. Therefore the Muslim Allah is not the same as the Arabic speaking Christian's Allah.

Posted by: Joe at August 19, 2007 3:15 PM

Since Jews also do not acknowledge Jesus as God (or even a prophet, for that matter) by your logic they also do not worship the same God.

The system of differing beliefs associated with each religion does not change the fact that at the core of each is the same God and Abrahamic traditions.

Posted by: Belisarius at August 19, 2007 10:46 PM

Actually many Jews do believe in Jesus as God the Son. Their number is increasing daily. Many "Christians" do not believe Jesus is God the Son. Do they worship the same God because of some Abrahamic tradition? Don't be silly. If that were the case any crackpot could dream up a vision of a god, claim Abrahamic tradition and presto his religion is just as valid as any other. Joseph Smith tried to do that with the native North Americans and came up with Mormonism. Rutherford tried to sanctify Masonic practices claiming Abrahamic tradition and came up the JWs. Mohammed tried to reinstitute the Mosaic law except he didn't understand it and when his failings were pointed out he slaughtered the Jews. He then turned around and 2000 years after the recorded events tried to re-write the history of Abraham and the two sons to make the elder son the chosen not the younger. Jesus said that He and the Father are one. How can you deny one and accept the other. You can't. Its too bad you don't have a firm grasp of the understanding of the Trinity. If you did you would immediately know that the Muslims do not worship the same God as Christians. Please don't cite the Catholic Church they too are human and have short comings in their theology. Hence the split with the Orthodox and the Protestant. I am convinced that the only reason that you would even post that Christians and Muslims worship the same God is becsuse you seek to legitimize their error thinking that by doing so you shall bring peace. Your desire has one big failure in store because if you ask any Muslim if Christians and Muslims worship the same God they will say no.

Posted by: Joe at August 19, 2007 11:17 PM

Hey Joe,

I state that Christians and Muslims (and Mormons, for that matter) worship the same God because I believe it to be true. Frankly, I was very surprised when I first came across Christian evangelicals who felt otherwise.

Actually, I think you will find that most Muslims also think this because it forms a fundamental part of their belief system. As you already noted, they venerate Jesus as a prophet.

A few examples: author and religious scholar Reza Aslan, Muslim reformer Irshad Manji.

Posted by: Belisarius at August 20, 2007 12:57 AM

Belisarius

I deal with a lot of Muslims and ex Muslims and I have yet to have one of them say that they believe that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. The ex Muslims are the most strident in their assertion that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. The Christian Trinity is a major stumbling block to the Muslim who believe that Allah is one and definitely three in one. As one ex Muslim recounted while he was still a Muslim he began having nightmares. Almost nightly he would have a dream in which he was being chased. He would run and run until he came upon a massive wall that he can not go around over or under. The thing chasing him was closing in and he would hear a voice saying, "I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by me." He would then wake up in a cold sweat. After several weeks he went to a church in Calgary and demanded to speak to their dream interpreter. The church staff were a bit confused but finally one of the Pastors took him aside and he recounted his dream. He left the church a Christian and has never had that dream again. Do you honestly believe that he thinks that Allah and Yahweh are one and the same?

Posted by: Joe at August 20, 2007 10:53 PM
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